9/6 Justice article on Carr

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If you're saying it's McNairs fault, then you're saying Kubiak was a mistake. McNair hired Kubiak, which was the one who made the decision to keep Carr. McNair shouldn't have to make player decisions. That's what the FO is for. If he was to get involved in player decisions, then he would be putting himself in the same class as Bud Adams, Benson, Jerry, etc.

IMO, one of the primary reasons that Kubiak was hired is his ability to get 'production' out of players in his style of offense-especially true with RB's and QB's. Kubiak's offense is 'user friendly' to both these positions. In contrast, despite his short comings, Carr has played in a 'joke' of an offense his first 4 yrs in the NFL. So, IMO, if I were McNair I'd want to give Carr the benefit of the doubt for '06, if Kubiak 'signed off' on the proposal. Kubiak did, so everything has been set in motion to see if Carr is the 'answer.'

Without a doubt, the 'ball' is in Carr's 'corner,' and it's clearly 'showtime.' I know it's been a tough 4 yrs for everyone but I know I'd rather know-once and for all (given all the improvements around him) if Carr can lead us to 'better days (wins).' However, saying this-and not expecting the 'Super Bowl' over night-we should see 'positive' signs of progress from the 'get go' from David. This will be Kubiak's call, no doubt...here's hoping it's a good one!

 

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Good article - On the first page. Skipping past the 10 pages of ....

I like this article better. Kubiaks 3 step plan with David. It seemed to capture all the other points and squash a few rumors running in this thread.

http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/news?slug=jc-texans090406&prov=yhoo&type=lgns

David certainly has areas to improve on and IMO we certainly havent seen his best football days here. IMO Kubiak will do like they did with Elway and give David a couple of games to pull up the boot straps and make a good show of things. If he doesnt show good enough ball control on the field he will sit him and play Sage so David can watch and work on getting things under better control.

David must step it up this year bottom line and Kubiak will push him until he does or he breaks down - one or the other. He's not going to let David take the team down long term and knows David has a learning curve and some bad habits to overcome. If David wants to continue being the starting QB for this team he's going to have to play better - not just harder. He needs to shift gears on gameday and get his head in the game and his game face on - plain and simple. Play smart smart football. Kubiak will have patience with DC and will work him extremely hard to get him game day ready, but that said just from the coaches comments I dont see Kubiak letting the team go 0-2 without pulling DC out and making some changes to make the team better too.

Bottom line - the kid gloves are off - David has a lot to play for this year and I think he will show it. IMO he will struggle a little at first along with some of the other players and start to get in a rhythm towards the middle of the year and the Texans go 7-9. I look for next years team to be quite a bit better than this years.

...great post, sent you a rep, forgot to include my sig

 

[hadaad]

I'm unlike a lot of you in that I like reading the Carr threads.
Sure, some of the unbridled pessimism irritates me, but for the most part, it's informed pessimism and I will take all of the information I can. We live or die by our QB, and as such, he'll always be the large part of the conversation.

I agree with Vinny that there are a good number of things that Carr has done wrong since his rookie year that he continues to do wrong to this point. He continues to feel the footsteps of the men who are paid to put him on the ground. He continues to challenge deep when it's unwise, and he seems to have worse pocket presence (when he has a pocket) than most quarterbacks in the league. Even in the good year, there were times when I wanted to yell at the TV, "Step up and throw it!" and he would drop back and try to roll out and take a sack. However, a lot of the problems that kept him from being successful in previous years have been out of his hands.

Is it Carr's job to scheme away from the cover 2? Is it Carr's job to find an adequate second receiver? In the absence of a real offense, Carr did okay. I liked Dom Capers through the first three years of the team. Last year, he seemed to implode and it would have been a good idea to bring someone in on an interim basis and can Capers partway through. Pendry was a disaster who stunted Carr's growth beyond belief. I agree with a poster who said it was a ridiculous idea to have the o-line coach become the OC when it's mainly the o-line that's the problem.

Regardless, this year is a chance for us to grow from last year's learning experiences. I'm looking forward to seeing what Carr has for us. If he can't perform, after a suitable* period, I have confidence that the coaching staff will see that a change is made, and we will see a new franchise quarterback in the near future.

(* suitable being a measure determined by the coaching staff)

As a fan, I hope that the Texans do well. Whoever they throw out there, I hope that they succeed. I don't hold out a secret hope that Daniels and Putz will come in and lay eggs just because I want to see Joppru succeed. I want whoever the coaches think is the best to come in and destroy the competition.

Bickering over who the starters should be is off-season work. We're going into the season with the people Kubiak has chosen to carry his water. I'm behind whoever that is.

GO TEXANS!

 

[Kaiser Toro]

I'm unlike a lot of you in that I like reading the Carr threads.
Sure, some of the unbridled pessimism irritates me, but for the most part, it's informed pessimism and I will take all of the information I can. We live or die by our QB, and as such, he'll always be the large part of the conversation.

I agree with Vinny that there are a good number of things that Carr has done wrong since his rookie year that he continues to do wrong to this point. He continues to feel the footsteps of the men who are paid to put him on the ground. He continues to challenge deep when it's unwise, and he seems to have worse pocket presence (when he has a pocket) than most quarterbacks in the league. Even in the good year, there were times when I wanted to yell at the TV, "Step up and throw it!" and he would drop back and try to roll out and take a sack. However, a lot of the problems that kept him from being successful in previous years have been out of his hands.

Is it Carr's job to scheme away from the cover 2? Is it Carr's job to find an adequate second receiver? In the absence of a real offense, Carr did okay. I liked Dom Capers through the first three years of the team. Last year, he seemed to implode and it would have been a good idea to bring someone in on an interim basis and can Capers partway through. Pendry was a disaster who stunted Carr's growth beyond belief. I agree with a poster who said it was a ridiculous idea to have the o-line coach become the OC when it's mainly the o-line that's the problem.

Regardless, this year is a chance for us to grow from last year's learning experiences. I'm looking forward to seeing what Carr has for us. If he can't perform, after a suitable* period, I have confidence that the coaching staff will see that a change is made, and we will see a new franchise quarterback in the near future.

(* suitable being a measure determined by the coaching staff)

As a fan, I hope that the Texans do well. Whoever they throw out there, I hope that they succeed. I don't hold out a secret hope that Daniels and Putz will come in and lay eggs just because I want to see Joppru succeed. I want whoever the coaches think is the best to come in and destroy the competition.

Bickering over who the starters should be is off-season work. We're going into the season with the people Kubiak has chosen to carry his water. I'm behind whoever that is.

GO TEXANS!

Well said from top to bottom.

 

[CarrIsFine]

I just want to see Carr settle down and start throwing the deep ball more. He's got a cannon and it's getting rusty.

 

[thunderkyss]

I cant wait to see how many people give carr a fair shake with the situation we have. for instance, when our rookie LT gets out of position and gives up a sack where carr runs out of bounds, who will be honest and blame spencer, or when lundy misses a blitz pickup and carr runs for his life how many will cry happy feet and blame carr for that too. dont get me wrong, if it's his fault its his fault. I just dont see too many on this board being honest and giving carr a fair shake. he will never get a fair shake on this team. at least not from the media and the "fans" on this board.

If he runs out of bounds, it's on him. Doesn't matter who missed what assignment. Outside the tackles, all he has to do is get the ball to the Line of Scrimmage. He can throw it away. If he picks up a yard, and go out of bounds, that's cool. but if he looses 3 inches, that's an unnecessary sack, that makes our line look worse than they are.

If David is in the pocket, and a defensive player gets t him, that's on Spencer, or Lundy, or whoever gets beat. Even if David could've stepped into the pocket to avoid the sack.

If David leaves the pocket, to the left..... and a player comes from the right to sack him, that belongs on the player who got beat.

If David leaves the pocket, to the left..... and because of him going to the left, there is no longer a Houston Texan between David and the defensive player(like one of the sacks from the Denver Preseason Game) Then that sack should be on David.

 

[threetoedpete]

Only eleven pages you guys are slipping. Handed out some rep ready for the game. Goodnite all.

 

[TexansLucky13]

Silly Carr thread. I need to start up a Texans Madden League so that we can vent some of this craziness.

20 of Carrs 208 sacks are his fault, eh? I would say that that is good odds considering he was running for his life for the majority of the time. Seriously, what did you expect? Or on another note... what is your point in making that argument? Just another potstir, IMHO. I think it has nothing to do with anything for this season. Kubiak will smack him hard if he does it this year, unlike Capers.

P.S. - My true reason for wanting a Madden league is so that I can destroy KT with David and have him with a 158.3 rating by the end of the game.

 

[thunderkyss]

Silly Carr thread. I need to start up a Texans Madden League so that we can vent some of this craziness.

20 of Carrs 208 sacks are his fault, eh? I would say that that is good odds considering he was running for his life for the majority of the time. Seriously, what did you expect? Or on another note... what is your point in making that argument? Just another potstir, IMHO. I think it has nothing to do with anything for this season. Kubiak will smack him hard if he does it this year, unlike Capers.

P.S. - My true reason for wanting a Madden league is so that I can destroy KT with David and have him with a 158.3 rating by the end of the game.

20 of last years 68........ which I'm thinking is a very conservative number. but whatever. I think it's an important number since most people think our offensive line is our weekest position..... Knowing that David is more likely to sack himself, than burn the deep, it tends to make teams more agressive than they normally would be.

 

[TexansFanatic]

The Texans have fixed 2 of the 3 problems with smart choices at HC and GM. Kubes is a local guy that could become our Cowher and hiring Smith as GM is a seemingly great move for our team in that he is skilled, knowledgeable, and young in addition to being a minority in the front office. But still we sit here with Carr at QB and there wasn't even competition in TC...that is the hand of McNair in my honest opinion...

I agree with this. It does seem like our straitlaced, milk drinking, all-American team owner could be a bit overprotective of his straitlaced, milk drinking, golden boy quarterback...