9/6 Justice article on Carr

[Marcus]

I'm shocked that's 9 am and nobody has linked THIS yet, because IMO, it's one of his more informative reads.

He does make a lot of assumptions about how much that Carr really knows or understands what he's doing wrong.



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[HOU-TEX]

I'm shocked that's 9 am and nobody has linked THIS yet, because IMO, it's one of his more informative reads.

He does make a lot of assumptions about how much that Carr really knows or understands what he's doing wrong.



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Nice read. At least they're seeing what the fans are seeing. That's the first step, now let's hope he can achieve the second step.

 

[NJ Texan]

The Texans used their first draft pick ever on a franchise quarterback, then never gave him a chance to succeed. They never protected him, never put enough talent around him.

That says alot. Good read.

 

[Kaiser Toro]

I guess it largely depends on how you define "a chance to succeed." I think that most people would concur that giving the #1 player in the draft the starting position would the be the only "chance" they need. If they need more than that what was their real value as a #1?

 

[infantrycak]

I guess it largely depends on how you define "a chance to succeed." I think that most people would concur that giving the #1 player in the draft the starting position would the be the only "chance" they need. If they need more than that what was their real value as a #1?

Well I guess Elway, Aikman, Manning have all had no value then since all needed teams built around them. Way, way overstated KT.

[disclaimer for the reading impaired--nothing in this post is comparing any talent or attribute of any QB whose name does not appear in this post with any QB whose name is mentioned]

 

[Kaiser Toro]

Well I guess Elway, Aikman, Manning have all had no value then since all needed teams built around them. Way, way overstated KT.

[disclaimer for the reading impaired--nothing in this post is comparing any talent or attribute of any QB whose name does not appear in this post with any QB whose name is mentioned]

Nice throw in with a salary cap era #1 QB. But whether its his name or Carr's I do not like #1 QB's. However, Manning went through 3-13 and turned out alright. Maybe it is in his DNA.

 

[Marcus]

I guess it largely depends on how you define "a chance to succeed." I think that most people would concur that giving the #1 player in the draft the starting position would the be the only "chance" they need. If they need more than that what was their real value as a #1?

Well, if they actually concur with with that, then they are being naive. John Elway, Roger Staubach, and a host of other great quarterbacks had to have a team around them in order to give them "a chance to succeed".

 

[Cjeremy635]

I guess it largely depends on how you define "a chance to succeed." I think that most people would concur that giving the #1 player in the draft the starting position would the be the only "chance" they need. If they need more than that what was their real value as a #1?

I hope your statement wasn't serious, atleast not in his case. Having a #1 player going to an undeveloped football team and having them turn all pro out of the gate is asking too much from anyone, especially the QB position. Now do I think it's time for him to show major improvement or step aside, absolutely. It's going to be hard to undo the damage caused by the last 4 years, maybe it can't be done, but we will know midway or later in this season if he's worthy of being our starting QB. I know you weren't insinuating the he be an all pro type player right off the bat, but he should have had the opportunity to be better than he has been and I am aggrevated that he wasn't given a legit chance to excel in a good system. Unfortunately, there have been too many "what ifs" over the last couple of seasons and we're all holding on to peices of hope that we've seen in random games of the past. Will he look like he did when we played Minnesota and he brought us back for overtime? Will he look like he did when he was able to call his own plays? Who knows, but we will find out this Sunday and put some of these questions/issues to rest.

 

[Kaiser Toro]

Well, if they actually concur with with that, then they are being naive. John Elway, Roger Staubach, and a host of other great quarterbacks had to have a team around them in order to give them "a chance to succeed".

I only speak in these terms in the salary cap era. It is a different game than back then.

 

[SESupergenius]

It was a pretty good article because Carr knows he's got to step it up and is under pressure to perform, not just learn. The only thing about the article that is suspect is where he says "Kubiak has taken care of the talent issues." No, Kubiak has addressed a bad system, he is far from done in bringing in talent. Does anyone think he's going to overcome his shellshockness in one game against the Eagles under Kubiaks new system? I want to talk to you......gotta nice big area of land in Arizona I might be interested in selling.

 

[cuppacoffee]

I guess it largely depends on how you define "a chance to succeed." I think that most people would concur that giving the #1 player in the draft the starting position would the be the only "chance" they need. If they need more than that what was their real value as a #1?

You can't really believe what you just typed?..

Your Carr-hate-itis has caused you to lose all perspective where he is concerned.

JMHO of course.

 

[Marcus]

You can't really believe what you just typed?..

I couldn't believe he said that either. I'm not going to bother to respond to it any more than I already did.

 

[Kaiser Toro]

You can't really believe what you just typed?..

Your Carr-hate-itis has caused you to lose all perspective where he is concerned.

JMHO of course.

If you are someone who is not in the business of defining expectations, setting them appropriately over a term and then measuring them accordingly due to the percentage of the cap that investment takes up then I can understand your lack of understanding by my statement. JMHO of course.

 

[Rightnow]

That was a good read. It sounds to me that the players, coaches, most fans and even the Chronicle is pulling for David to become the QB we've always wanted him to be. I certainly hope that he does it. The odds seem to be in his favor.

 

[HOU-TEX]

That was a good read. It sounds to me that the players, coaches, most fans and even the Chronicle is pulling for David to become the QB we've always wanted him to be. I certainly hope that he does it. The odds seem to be in his favor.

From what I gather, it's all up to him now. Kubiak has supplied him with the weapons, the protection (hopefully) and the QB friendly offensive scheme/playbook. He's got to learn to trust his teamates again.

 

[Marcus]

It was a pretty good article because Carr knows he's got to step it up and is under pressure to perform, not just learn. The only thing about the article that is suspect is where he says "Kubiak has taken care of the talent issues." No, Kubiak has addressed a bad system, he is far from done in bringing in talent. Does anyone think he's going to overcome his shellshockness in one game against the Eagles under Kubiaks new system? I want to talk to you......gotta nice big area of land in Arizona I might be interested in selling.

Before I read that article, I wondered if Carr really understood what he was doing on the field that was driving everyone crazy. I guess it's driving him crazy too . . that being unable to conquer his own demons.

I wonder if he drinks tequila. Seems to me a shot or two of Patron just before he gets on the field would settle his nerves, and he'd do just fine.

 

[TexansLucky13]

It was a pretty good article because Carr knows he's got to step it up and is under pressure to perform, not just learn. The only thing about the article that is suspect is where he says "Kubiak has taken care of the talent issues." No, Kubiak has addressed a bad system, he is far from done in bringing in talent. Does anyone think he's going to overcome his shellshockness in one game against the Eagles under Kubiaks new system? I want to talk to you......gotta nice big area of land in Arizona I might be interested in selling.

I'll buy that if you throw the Golden Gate in free.

I agree with you, SES. But it is still interesting to see the responses that the players have to his changes, and not just the fans. I do not expect Carr to immediately turn into an All-Pro QB in one game, much less one season. But I do expect changes, of which we have already seen. We will have to wait until Sunday to truely know if Carr trusts his line.... and it will be an exceptional test indeed. It is hard to admit, but the Eagles have one of the most powerful D-lines I have ever laid eyes on (Yes, these are young eyes... I was not around for the Steel Curtain and so on).

To KT.... I agree with you that #1 QBs are dangerous. But in this case I feel that it was a number of things that have led to his performance. You can't expect a #1 to just come in and change a team. They got that #1 pick for a reason, as you know (even though it was a unique situation with the Texans).

 

[cuppacoffee]

If you are someone who is not in the business of defining expectations, setting them appropriately over a term and then measuring them accordingly due to the percentage of the cap that investment takes up then I can understand your lack of understanding by my statement. JMHO of course.

And your are?

What cap numbers do you have to work with?

What number do you assign to your quarterback?

I am sure that Carr is disappointed that he is not living up to your expectations...

Explain please how you can expect Carr to be successful simply because of his cap number? :brickwall

I understand your statement thoroughly. Conclusion, you do not understand the team concept.

 

[infantrycak]

Nice throw in with a salary cap era #1 QB. But whether its his name or Carr's I do not like #1 QB's. However, Manning went through 3-13 and turned out alright. Maybe it is in his DNA.

No QB in the salary cap era or otherwise succeeds without tools around him. The problem with your whole #1 QB's are bad rap is no other position is worth any more for the #1. Now its fine (but unrealistic) to say every team should trade out but there is no reason to slam guys picked there because of a system they don't control.

As for Manning yes he is a better natural QB but you think having Marshall Faulk, Marvin Harrison, Marcus Pollard, etc. to play with might have contributed?

 

[Double Barrel]

Gary Kubiak won't sacrifice a season for Carr.

If Carr continues to make the same mistakes he made in the preseason, Sage Rosenfels will play. We're not there yet. We don't know how Carr is going to perform, and we don't know how patient Kubiak is going to be.

This says all I need to know. There is no need to wig out on our QB right now. Trust our head coach, his judgement, and most importantly, his will to win. Kubiak is not going to let any player - let alone Carr - bring the team down without doing something about it.

On another note, I really like what I hear from Moulds, both in attitude and commitment to helping this team. His leadership and communication skills are great, and I think he can help Carr as much as anyone right now. I'm so glad we picked this dude up. He will prove to be a very valuable asset, IMO.

 

[DocBar]

I think all the Carr bashers are in for a treat this year. Kubiak has taken off the kids gloves and put DC at the grown-up's table so he can take his lumps for bad play like the rest of the team.
He'll make his 60th NFL start in Sunday's regular-season opener against the Philadelphia Eagles. For the first time, he'll be judged by his production and not his development. Gary Kubiak won't sacrifice a season for Carr.
I think that says alot about how long Carr's leash will be. If he doesn't perform, Sage will be the flavor of the month. I don't think Kubes is beyond benching Carr just to get his attention. Worked wonders for Bradshaw and Staubach. Benching a QB led to the Niners finding gold in Montana. Either way, it's win-win. Carr gets clipboard duty or plays well enough to stifle most of the criticism.

 

[SESupergenius]

This says all I need to know. There is no need to wig out on our QB right now. Trust our head coach, his judgement, and most importantly, his will to win. Kubiak is not going to let any player - let alone Carr - bring the team down without doing something about it.

On another note, I really like what I hear from Moulds, both in attitude and commitment to helping this team. His leadership and communication skills are great, and I think he can help Carr as much as anyone right now. I'm so glad we picked this dude up. He will prove to be a very valuable asset, IMO.

Yes I was more impressed on hearing what the veteran Moulds is doing to create some partnership amongst these guys than hearing how Carr should fail and Rosenfels will be right there to lead us to.....

 

[Vinny]

All I know is we are going on half a decade and our "franchise player" is coming off another disappointing pre-season. I don't see anything different in Carr's game than I did 4 years ago when I was vilified for saying I see long term problems with his game.....well, it's 4 years later and its the same ol same ol....can he just suddenly just 'turn it on' Sunday? I doubt it.

 

[SESupergenius]

All I know is we are going on half a decade and our "franchise player" is coming off another disappointing pre-season. I don't see anything different in Carr's game than I did 4 years ago when I was vilified for saying I see long term problems with his game.....well, it's 4 years later and its the same ol same ol....can he just suddenly just 'turn it on' Sunday? I doubt it.

Man we should have kept Capers and Palmer and just got rid of Carr. If we had drafted Vince Young and just let Carr go we'd be sitting pretty right now. I think we should be like New Orleans and just give up on young talent like they did with Delhomme and....uh...oh...um.....nevermind.

 

[Vinny]

Man we should have kept Capers and Palmer and just got rid of Carr. If we had drafted Vince Young and just let Carr go we'd be sitting pretty right now. I think we should be like New Orleans and just give up on young talent like they did with Delhomme and....uh...oh...um.....nevermind.

yeah, keep a bad coach, bad coordinator on top of rolling out a bad QB in Carr. Brilliant plan. Talk to me in 5 years when VY has 60 starts.

 

[SESupergenius]

yeah, keep a bad coach, bad coordinator on top of rolling out a bad QB in Carr. Brilliant plan. Talk to me in 5 years when VY has 60 starts.

Glad I didn't talk to you when Delhomme was with the Saints or Farve was with the Falcons or Steve Young was with the Bucs (see a pattern of bad teams here?) And from the pattern of Vince Young getting hurt so much in preseason, he won't get 60 starts in the NFL.

 

[Kaiser Toro]

Glad I didn't talk to you when Delhomme was with the Saints or Farve was with the Falcons or Steve Young was with the Bucs (see a pattern of bad teams here?)

Exactly why you should not draft a QB in the first round in my opinion. Let them develop on someone else's dime.

 

[Vinny]

Glad I didn't talk to you when Delhomme was with the Saints or Farve was with the Falcons or Steve Young was with the Bucs (see a pattern of bad teams here?) And from the pattern of Vince Young getting hurt so much in preseason, he won't get 60 starts in the NFL.

lol, you have no clue do you? I was a HUGE Delhomme fan from the Saints days...and some of the old timers can attest to that. He has those intangibles that our workout warrior QB doesn't have. He is EXACTLY the kind of guy I like.

You want to judge VY on no regular season games but you put blinders on with Carr and 60 starts. Kind of inconsistent to me...or just a homer.

 

[thunderkyss]

Well I guess Elway, Aikman, Manning have all had no value then since all needed teams built around them. Way, way overstated KT.

[disclaimer for the reading impaired--nothing in this post is comparing any talent or attribute of any QB whose name does not appear in this post with any QB whose name is mentioned]

Talent wise.... I think AJ is equivalent to what Michael Irvin was coming out of college. I'm not saying they are the same, but on a talent scale, I think they are in the same ballpark. Bradford & Gaffney would fall in the same "talent class" as any other reciever to play with the Cowboys during the "triplet" days.

Pitts, Brown, Hogdon, Hill......... Wade, Mckinney, Wiegart..... you can't say Capers didn't try. The draft is a crapshoot. I have no doubt that Capers had a harder time getting quality vets to come to Houston(& having to overpay), what did he have to offer?? People look at Capers, & I doubt they'd think he's a winner....... people look at Kubiak.... the way he talks and everything, and there is little doubt. But my point is you can't say they didn't try.

Runningbacks....... 2002, we took a QB in the first round. 2003, we took a Reciever. 2004 would have most likely been a RB if we weren't satisfied with DD, and we had good reason to be satisfied. So it made sense to go defense.

ON paper, I believe our team was/is as talented as almost any team in the league. A caught pass here, holding protection half a second longer, or hitting the whole a little harder there, and we wouldn't be having these discussions, & we'd have sent more players to the probowl.

Disclaimer: I'm only saying we are & have been as talented as the teams around the QBs you mentioned. I don't believe our talent level has been what's been holding us back.

 

[real]

And from the pattern of Vince Young getting hurt so much in preseason, he won't get 60 starts in the NFL.

Where on earth do you get your sports news ?

 

[SESupergenius]

lol, you have no clue do you? I was a HUGE Delhomme fan from the Saints days...and some of the old timers can attest to that. He has those intangibles that our workout warrior QB doesn't have. He is EXACTLY the kind of guy I like.

You want to judge VY on no regular season games but you put blinders on with Carr and 60 starts. Kind of inconsistent to me...or just a homer.

That's funny, you called me a homer. I'm sure you knew that Farve and Young were going to do good under new systems too. The only thing I know is that you don't judge a QB in a new system, with new coaches, and new faces at every position on offense -2. And is it so far off to expect Young to be injured so much with the type of play he brings to the NFL? Is this news to you? So who is clueless? You put way to much empasis on the QB position and your hatred for Carr is clearly biases towards him being unsuccessful just so you can reach the limelight with the "See, I told you so, nanny nanny nanny."

 

[TK_Gamer]

I have to say this, maybe I'm the only one that will. I'm getting a bad vibe on a certain aspect of gary kubiak. It's called buddy buddy footbal. ok we seen all the running backs in preseason and they all did ok. but we saw everyone but morrency have a huge problem picking up the blitzing linebacker. so waht does kubiak do? he starts the worst of the 3 . ??? lundy is a rookie, he cant block. we have a QB we are trying to settle down and we put the worst blocking back in there to start? then we put the best run blocking tackle in there to start when the best pass blocker is playing LG ? I dont know about you guys but if I was trying to get Carr to fail, thats what I would do. I think kubiak is a smart guy. but you can coach a QB all you want on how to change. but if you throw him right back into the same situation you might as well just look for a trade and get it over with. my

 

[DocBar]

Talent wise.... I think AJ is equivalent to what Michael Irvin was coming out of college. I'm not saying they are the same, but on a talent scale, I think they are in the same ballpark. Bradford & Gaffney would fall in the same "talent class" as any other reciever to play with the Cowboys during the "triplet" days.

Pitts, Brown, Hogdon, Hill......... Wade, Mckinney, Wiegart..... you can't say Capers didn't try. The draft is a crapshoot. I have no doubt that Capers had a harder time getting quality vets to come to Houston(& having to overpay), what did he have to offer?? People look at Capers, & I doubt they'd think he's a winner....... people look at Kubiak.... the way he talks and everything, and there is little doubt. But my point is you can't say they didn't try.

Runningbacks....... 2002, we took a QB in the first round. 2003, we took a Reciever. 2004 would have most likely been a RB if we weren't satisfied with DD, and we had good reason to be satisfied. So it made sense to go defense.

ON paper, I believe our team was/is as talented as almost any team in the league. A caught pass here, holding protection half a second longer, or hitting the whole a little harder there, and we wouldn't be having these discussions, & we'd have sent more players to the probowl.

Disclaimer: I'm only saying we are & have been as talented as the teams around the QBs you mentioned. I don't believe our talent level has been what's been holding us back.

I think we have been middle-of-the-road, talent-wise. As we saw from close games last year during preseason, we were woefully outcoached last year. For some reason, Capers lost his mojo and the team. A bad coach can waste all-world talent where a good coach can make up for a lack of talent by using schemes that fit his players strengths.

 

[Kaiser Toro]

I have to say this, maybe I'm the only one that will. I'm getting a bad vibe on a certain aspect of gary kubiak. It's called buddy buddy footbal. ok we seen all the running backs in preseason and they all did ok. but we saw everyone but morrency have a huge problem picking up the blitzing linebacker. so waht does kubiak do? he starts the worst of the 3 . ??? lundy is a rookie, he cant block. we have a QB we are trying to settle down and we put the worst blocking back in there to start? then we put the best run blocking tackle in there to start when the best pass blocker is playing LG ? I dont know about you guys but if I was trying to get Carr to fail, thats what I would do. I think kubiak is a smart guy. but you can coach a QB all you want on how to change. but if you throw him right back into the same situation you might as well just look for a trade and get it over with. my

I happen to think Kubiak is doing a great job and do not lose sight of that. He has not been burned yet by his judgements, but we will see as the season rolls along. What is most important to observe is how he rebounds from those decisions that do go awry. I have a feeling he will roll with those punches as well. My trepidation is that the one position that needed to be changed is still with us and unfortunately he touches the ball on every single snap.

 

[Vinny]

That's funny, you called me a homer. I'm sure you knew that Farve and Young were going to do good under new systems too. The only thing I know is that you don't judge a QB in a new system, with new coaches, and new faces at every position on offense -2. And is it so far off to expect Young to be injured so much with the type of play he brings to the NFL? Is this news to you? So who is clueless? You put way to much empasis on the QB position and your hatred for Carr is clearly biases towards him being unsuccessful just so you can reach the limelight with the "See, I told you so, nanny nanny nanny."

you give Carr 60 games but VY zero games? That's what homers do. Wear it proud, embrace it, but don't deny it if you use this kind of logic.

 

[beerlover]

the Texans where victoms of not just themselves (bad coaching/player personel decisions) but bad timing as well. there are strong drafts (like last year) and exceptionally week drafts (2002) its not a stretch to think things would be much different today if you could flip the two, but that being said it is what it is we all have to live with it, adjust to it and find some resoultion that brings us happiness in one form or another

 

[TK_Gamer]

I happen to think Kubiak is doing a great job and do not lose sight of that. He has not been burned yet by his judgements, but we will see as the season rolls along. What is most important to observe is how he rebounds from those decisions that do go awry. I have a feeling he will roll with those punches as well. My trepidation is that the one position that needed to be changed is still with us and unfortunately he touches the ball on every single snap.

ok so ignore my whole post and attack Carr, good thinking

 

[Houston_Fanatic]

When Joe Pendry took over as offensive coordinator early last season, he drilled Carr on delivering the ball more quickly.

Unfortunately, the pass protection was so bad that Carr was unloading the ball about the time his receivers left the line of scrimmage.

"It was hurry up, get the ball out of your hand, over and over," Carr said. "I can't explain to you how totally opposite it is now. Now, Gary tells me, 'David, slow down. If you've got a seven-step drop, make it 10 to 11 yards.' It's something I'm having to relearn."

I think this says a lot about the problems Carr has had in preseason and will continue to have until he is comfortable with the way Kubiak wants him to play.

 

[CarrIsFine]

All I know is we are going on half a decade and our "franchise player" is coming off another disappointing pre-season. I don't see anything different in Carr's game than I did 4 years ago when I was vilified for saying I see long term problems with his game.....well, it's 4 years later and its the same ol same ol....can he just suddenly just 'turn it on' Sunday? I doubt it.

I'll admit Carr has regressed from the first Cowboys game. You've seen the replays of him stepping up in the pocket and delivering the beutiful deep ball. So the question is why? Maybe because the franchise failed in all areas to support him. Most notably in the areas of coaching and protection. We are learning now that Carr probably learned more at Fresno State than the last four years with the Texans and that the next year will be spent unlearning the bad habits the previous staff allowed to creep into his game.

For whatever reason you didn't like Carr from the beginning. All I know is we are going on half a decade and our "franchise" is finally getting it's act together. 4 years of bad habits don't change overnight. So yes, Carr will still flash bad habits, but hopefully as the season goes on they will show up less and less. Of course, if you never cared much for Carr, his current relearning process presents many opportunities to criticize and say I told you so.

The bottom line is the whole "franchise" has been terrible the last four years. Everyone knows a turnaround for the team won't be immediate, so why should we expect a 180 degree change from Carr in the preseason?

 

[Kaiser Toro]

ok so ignore my whole post and attack Carr, good thinking

Sorry you felt the need to skin the cat that way, but that was not my intention.

 

[SESupergenius]

Where on earth do you get your sports news ?

I get NFL network, watch the games, training camp reports, video hightlights, etc. Then there is this thing called the internet.

 

[TK_Gamer]

Sorry you felt the need to skin the cat that way, but that was not my intention.

you made no reference or comment to any of my valid points, only that you love kubiak and hate carr. I skin em as I see em, sorry.

 

[Vinny]

For whatever reason you didn't like Carr from the beginning. All I know is we are going on half a decade and our "franchise" is finally getting it's act together. 4 years of bad habits don't change overnight. So yes, Carr will still flash bad habits, but hopefully as the season goes on they will show up less and less. Of course, if you never cared much for Carr, his current relearning process presents many opportunities to criticize and say I told you so.

No, that is wrong and you are making that up. I was totally in Carr's corner until......he played the game full time and started to display is talents to the NFL world. I was dogging Jaws for dissing Carr leading up to the opening game of 2002....I defended the pick to everyone. Go look it up at houstonprofootball.com if you don't believe me.

I don't like Carr's game for one reason, and one reason only...because it is bad. That's pretty much the long and short of it.

Carr has had a couple of good games....sure, but he sure fell a long way in week 2 after the Cowboy game when teams saw how to defend him based on the Cowboy game. He had some nice stats against some really awful defenses a couple of times in his career too...but so did Billy Volek and Joey Harrington. That's some pretty nice company there.

 

[Kaiser Toro]

you made no reference or comment to any of my valid points, only that you love kubiak and hate carr. I skin em as I see em, sorry.

You mentione you are concerned and I implied that there are no results as of yet to measure his actions. I am sorry if that is confusing to you and will try to spell it out in a different manner so that you can comprehend.

 

[SESupergenius]

you give Carr 60 games but VY zero games? That's what homers do. Wear it proud, embrace it, but don't deny it if you use this kind of logic.

I give Young plenty of games but he's a rookie so I give him more. I embrace what Kubiak has brought over and am knowledgable that it takes time for this type of grand transformation to take place. We are hardly going to see playoff performance from Carr this year. Your short lease on Carr is unwarranted with the admitted dibacle the former coaches did to this team and yet you hold Young on such a high pedestal because he gets the cloak of being a "rookie". What successful QB are you going to compare Young to to guage his success in his 1st year? You speak out of both sides of your face when you give tons of other players a lot of years to finally have a chance to succeed (see Weary) and get into a stable environment, yet for some reason David Carr needs to be replaced by the all mightly Vince Young. Stop pouting that we didn't pick Young and get behind Carr. Philadelphia fans are probably eating this up when they come on our boards and see such trashing of our QB BEFORE THE 1st GAME IN THE SYSTEM!!!!

 

[Vinny]

I give Young plenty of games but he's a rookie so I give him more. I embrace what Kubiak has brought over and am knowledgable that it takes time for this type of grand transformation to take place. We are hardly going to see playoff performance from Carr this year. Your short lease on Carr is unwarranted with the admitted dibacle the former coaches did to this team and yet you hold Young on such a high pedestal because he gets the cloak of being a "rookie".

I don't have a "short leash"...I've been consistent about him for 4 years now (unlike many, many folks here). I just don't think that Kubiak can take Brian Griese and make him John Elway...or Tommy Maddux and make him Jake Plummer. You are what you are.


The person who injected Vince Young into this thread was you pards....I never mentioned him and wasn't comparing the two....This is a weak tactic, but you are consistent.

 

[Honoring Earl 34]

Thats wonderful ... our QB is Ted Striker from Airplane .

I think that Carr does have the chance to start over with some young talent and some seasoned vets . Therefore he has no more excuses , he has either been ruined or he can play .

Lifes tough and anyone who's had anxiety issues can tell you its not fun but you get through it and most are not getting paid multi millions for their job .

 

[chuckm]

Carr has had a couple of good games....sure, but he sure fell a long way in week 2 after the Cowboy game when teams saw how to defend him based on the Cowboy game.

I know I'll regret jumping into this but I'm curious about "when teams saw how to defend him based on the Cowboy game" ..... wasn't he sacked like 8 times in the San Diego game in game #2?

What did teams learn from the Dallas game? that his OL sucked?

 

[Vinny]

I know I'll regret jumping into this but I'm curious about "when teams saw how to defend him based on the Cowboy game" ..... wasn't he sacked like 8 times in the San Diego game?

What did teams learn from the Dallas game? that his OL sucked?

You don't know that teams watch film and defend players based on what they see? Teams just started laying two safetys over the top and he still has yet to beat a cover2

 

[TexansFanatic]

Glad I didn't talk to you when Delhomme was with the Saints or Farve was with the Falcons or Steve Young was with the Bucs (see a pattern of bad teams here?) And from the pattern of Vince Young getting hurt so much in preseason, he won't get 60 starts in the NFL.

Umm....Favre never really played for the Falcons. We was traded after his first season and hardly saw the field....