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2024 TRAINING CAMP DISCUSSION THREAD

cland said:
Joe Mixon & Christian Harris are reportedly healthy and returning to practice according to Cody Stoots! Great news and timing!
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The great news will be if Mixon and Harris will be able to remain healthy over at least the next month. Quad and calf soft tissue injuries are notorious for being nagging and recurrent in the same season...............especially in the 6 weeks following returning to game play.

In the preseason especially, injuries are always downplayed and minimized even more than during the regular season when there are mandated weekly injury reports. So............... 1723463963839.png
 
8/11/24

Starting linebacker Christian Harris returned to practice from a strained calf, but is getting checked out by trainers as they take precautions with him in his first workout back from the injury. Harris was originally expected to return later in the preseason.

Tight end Brevin Jordan also returned to practice. He had been out for roughly a week.

Nickel back Desmond King returned to practice from a groin injury.

Not practicing: Pro Bowl defensive end Will Anderson Jr. (ankle), offensive guard Shaq Mason (arm in a protectivfe brace, not considered long-term), starting cornerback Kamari Lassiter, a rookie second-round draft pick from Georgia, cornerback Jeff Okudah (shoulder), offensive tackle Tytus Howard (minor knee injury), offensive tackle Charlie Heck (plantar fasciitis in foot), tight end Teagan Quitoriano (strained calf) and defensive tackle Tim Settle Jr. (calf). link
 
As for injuries I will say while we see the usual nagging soft tissue and other minor injuries, we haven’t lost anyone longer term who will be relied on heavily come the regular season, and nobody as of yet has been placed on either IR list. I wonder if Heck lands on ST IR. Same maybe with Teegan Q. All in all, I’m happy with the current state of affairs in terms of injury. It’s football…guys will be banged up, but as of today we are in pretty good shape. Hopefully Saturday doesn’t make me eat my words. Knocking on wood, throwing salt over my shoulder while wearing a garlic necklace.
 
CloakNNNdagger said:
8/11/24

Starting linebacker Christian Harris returned to practice from a strained calf, but is getting checked out by trainers as they take precautions with him in his first workout back from the injury. Harris was originally expected to return later in the preseason.

Tight end Brevin Jordan also returned to practice. He had been out for roughly a week.

Nickel back Desmond King returned to practice from a groin injury.

Not practicing: Pro Bowl defensive end Will Anderson Jr. (ankle), offensive guard Shaq Mason (arm in a protectivfe brace, not considered long-term), starting cornerback Kamari Lassiter, a rookie second-round draft pick from Georgia, cornerback Jeff Okudah (shoulder), offensive tackle Tytus Howard (minor knee injury), offensive tackle Charlie Heck (plantar fasciitis in foot), tight end Teagan Quitoriano (strained calf) and defensive tackle Tim Settle Jr. (calf). link
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I read that Christian Harris went on the practice field but did not stay very long before he left. Hopefully, just being super cautious.
 
Porky said:
As for injuries I will say while we see the usual nagging soft tissue and other minor injuries, we haven’t lost anyone longer term who will be relied on heavily come the regular season, and nobody as of yet has been placed on either IR list. I wonder if Heck lands on ST IR. Same maybe with Teegan Q. All in all, I’m happy with the current state of affairs in terms of injury. It’s football…guys will be banged up, but as of today we are in pretty good shape. Hopefully Saturday doesn’t make me eat my words. Knocking on wood, throwing salt over my shoulder while wearing a garlic necklace.
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Just be aware that a black cat is going to jump on you just as you walk underneath that ladder!
 
Porky said:
As for injuries I will say while we see the usual nagging soft tissue and other minor injuries, we haven’t lost anyone longer term who will be relied on heavily come the regular season, and nobody as of yet has been placed on either IR list. I wonder if Heck lands on ST IR. Same maybe with Teegan Q. All in all, I’m happy with the current state of affairs in terms of injury. It’s football…guys will be banged up, but as of today we are in pretty good shape. Hopefully Saturday doesn’t make me eat my words. Knocking on wood, throwing salt over my shoulder while wearing a garlic necklace.
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NFL makes significant change to injured reserve rule​

This will have an impact on preseason roster cuts.
By Mookie Alexander@mookiealexander Mar 27, 2024, 7:00am PDT

Amid all of the hoopla surrounding the NFL banning the hip-drop tackle and drastically changing the kickoff rules, there’s a major rule change regarding injured reserve that will impact how preseason roster cuts are handled.

Previously, if a team placed players on injured reserve (IR) during preseason, it would automatically be season-ending. That is no longer the case thanks to this amendment at the annual league meeting in Orlando.

By Competition Committee; amends Article XVII, Section 17.16(C), to permit each club to place a maximum of two players who are placed on an applicable Reserve List on the business day of the final roster reduction to be designated for return. Such players will immediately count as two of the club’s total designations.
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This is an important distinction to make. Up to two players will no longer have to make the initial 53-man roster in order to be placed on IR, physically unable to perform (PUP), or non-football injury (NFI) list and still be able to return later in the regular season. Teams have a maximum of eight slots available for injured reserve players who are eligible to return in-season.

In theory, this should reduce the need for teams to do the procedural “waive, hope [Player A] clears waivers, immediately re-sign” process often seen on cutdown day to workaround the previous rules. I’d consider this a good rule change.
 
CloakNNNdagger said:
It could be either..........no way to tell................but both serve same purpose.
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I guess my point was that it's pretty common that the QB gets his feet taped up every time he goes out to the field. As opposed to having a minor ankle issue with a sleeve to treat/support it. (I assumed that was your point, so i could be wrong.)
 
cland said:
I guess my point was that it's pretty common that the QB gets his feet taped up every time he goes out to the field. As opposed to having a minor ankle issue with a sleeve to treat/support it. (I assumed that was your point, so i could be wrong.)
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Spatting (reinforcement external to shoe) has been shown to help prevent ankle injury or re-injury.

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Although direct taping or compression sleeving of the ankle is used by players, it has been shown to only contain swelling of the ankle (and foot) with little effect on protecting the ankle joint from injury.
 
sprtsfanatic said:
Id wait till after the 3rd preseason game to let him and Hutch battle it out and as long as its not some disasterous trade like the astros did when they traded away loperfido and 3 others for that pitcher...i'd be ok with it.
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If the Texans version of "that pitcher" can come in provide instant production like that then I'd say it's worth it for this SB contending team
 
vupac2.0 said:
If the Texans version of "that pitcher" can come in provide instant production like that then I'd say it's worth it for this SB contending team
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I would agree if they didnt get hosed on the trade...there is no way Kikechu was worth what we gave....idk if bagwell or dana smith were behind the trade but its starting to seem like obrien is running the astros trades
 
sprtsfanatic said:
I would agree if they didnt get hosed on the trade...there is no way Kikechu was worth what we gave....idk if bagwell or dana smith were behind the trade but its starting to seem like obrien is running the astros trades
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*Derailing Thread Warning*

Starter who is 2-0, (Astros are 3-0 in his starts) 2.70 ERA and 24 strikeouts in return for a 26-year-old minor-league infielder with a famous dad but no MLB games under his belt (and no apparent place in the Astors infield), Joey hitting .200 (for both Astros and Jays) when we already got Meyers and Chaz that are doing that, and a pitcher that got rocked in a few games with the big club. They are 8-3 since Kikuchi's first start. Not sure how that is giving up too much.

Bringing it back to the Texans, any contending team is going to be the buyer in a seller's market. Astros are in a win-now mode. Blue Jays are rebuilding and wanted low cost potential. If the Texans find themselves in the need for "that pitcher" they will probably have to part with a wanted asset because the NFL talent pool is much much smaller than the baseball talent pool. Regardless of how well that traded talent works out for another team, if what you get in return gets you where you want to be is totally worth it. Bring a Lombardi to Houston and I won't cry too hard about the assets we had to give up to get it. Especially in the parity driven NFL where it is so hard to go to the conference championship game consistently much less the Super Bowl.
 
Acclimation of an elite athlete's body to high temps and humidity has been shown to take at least 10 days. Here in the south, HS and collegiate football players have been recommended to acclimate over weeks. These couple of "acclimation" days prior to the Giants game are unlikely to protect our players. Furthermore, the full effects of acclimation can only be achieved with virtually daily training in extreme hot temps.

The largest and fattest football players are the most heat-sensitive. Players with larger body masses and shorter limbs minimize heat loss, while those with slimmer bodies and longer limbs to facilitate heat dissipation.

Interestingly, very muscular players are extremely at risk when playing in extreme heat. Men tend to have a greater muscle mass than women which results in them generating more internal body heat. Even at rest, male muscles produce at least 25% of his body's normal temperature, so much more muscle mass means a much greater heat production.

Acclimation techniques MAY decrease some potential risks. But unfortunately, they don't usually compensate for all and certainly don't compensate all that well for performance losses.

As a side note, as much as things have advanced in football player equipment, there has not been much improvements in development of cool game day wear.


https://twitter.com/x/status/1823708182063276113
 
sandman said:
*Derailing Thread Warning*

Starter who is 2-0, (Astros are 3-0 in his starts) 2.70 ERA and 24 strikeouts in return for a 26-year-old minor-league infielder with a famous dad but no MLB games under his belt (and no apparent place in the Astors infield), Joey hitting .200 (for both Astros and Jays) when we already got Meyers and Chaz that are doing that, and a pitcher that got rocked in a few games with the big club. They are 8-3 since Kikuchi's first start. Not sure how that is giving up too much.

Bringing it back to the Texans, any contending team is going to be the buyer in a seller's market. Astros are in a win-now mode. Blue Jays are rebuilding and wanted low cost potential. If the Texans find themselves in the need for "that pitcher" they will probably have to part with a wanted asset because the NFL talent pool is much much smaller than the baseball talent pool. Regardless of how well that traded talent works out for another team, if what you get in return gets you where you want to be is totally worth it. Bring a Lombardi to Houston and I won't cry too hard about the assets we had to give up to get it. Especially in the parity driven NFL where it is so hard to go to the conference championship game consistently much less the Super Bowl.
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If a guy like Jonathan Allen becomes available at the trade deadline I could see Caserio giving up a 2025 1st for him. Put Allen on a DL with Anderson/Autry/Allen/Hunter, is probably the best DL in the NFL and the Texans have the cap space to make a move like this. I'm thinking it's the reason they didn't spend cap space on Simmons.
 
CloakNNNdagger said:
Acclimation of an elite athlete's body to high temps and humidity has been shown to take at least 10 days. Here in the south, HS and collegiate football players have been recommended to acclimate over weeks. These couple of "acclimation" days prior to the Giants game are unlikely to protect our players. Furthermore, the full effects of acclimation can only be achieved with virtually daily training in extreme hot temps.

The largest and fattest football players are the most heat-sensitive. Players with larger body masses and shorter limbs minimize heat loss, while those with slimmer bodies and longer limbs to facilitate heat dissipation.

Interestingly, very muscular players are extremely at risk when playing in extreme heat. Men tend to have a greater muscle mass than women which results in them generating more internal body heat. Even at rest, male muscles produce at least 25% of his body's normal temperature, so much more muscle mass means a much greater heat production.

Acclimation techniques MAY decrease some potential risks. But unfortunately, they don't usually compensate for all and certainly don't compensate all that well for performance losses.

As a side note, as much as things have advanced in football player equipment, there has not been much improvements in development of cool game day wear.


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So much for "acclimation"!!! :tiphat:

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steelbtexan said:
If a guy like Jonathan Allen becomes available at the trade deadline I could see Caserio giving up a 2025 1st for him. Put Allen on a DL with Anderson/Autry/Allen/Hunter, is probably the best DL in the NFL and the Texans have the cap space to make a move like this. I'm thinking it's the reason they didn't spend cap space on Simmons.
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I am not against Jonathan Allen, however as the trade line has been pushed back to after week 9 and Denico Autry will be back before then, I think Texans roll without a trade.
My understanding is the Texas do not pay him for those six suspended games.
 
badboy said:
I am not against Jonathan Allen, however as the trade line has been pushed back to after week 9 and Denico Autry will be back before then, I think Texans roll without a trade.
My understanding is the Texas do not pay him for those six suspended games.
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They were apparently in on Judon. With Autry out, they are looking for some insurance. Plus DeMeco loves him some dlineman.
 
Porky said:
They were apparently in on Judon. With Autry out, they are looking for some insurance. Plus DeMeco loves him some dlineman.
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We can afford him but every article about a trade indicates Commanders trading him to increase cap space. They have 36 million now so I don't know why it's an issue if he is productive.
 
Texansballer74 said:
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Obviously he's just a rookie, but I saw us somewhat abuse Payton Wilson several times in the passing attack during that game and he's supposed to be a good coverage LB.

As for Stover he's looking further along than I think most would have hoped. He won't be usurping Schultz, but Brevin Jordan definitely needs to be looking over his shoulder.

Honestly would love if we could use Beck less and put Jordan in his role instead, but I just know they won't.
 
sprtsfanatic said:
I would agree if they didnt get hosed on the trade...there is no way Kikechu was worth what we gave....idk if bagwell or dana smith were behind the trade but its starting to seem like obrien is running the astros trades
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In the long run it probably was too much. BUT, if the Astros have another downtown parade in early November and Kikuchi was part of the reason why, then it really doesn't matter.

The Astros gave up 2 future All Stars for Randy Johnson. No one knew they were going to be All-Stars, of course, but when you're a contender those are the moves you have to make. It didn't work out of course as they couldn't get past the great and powerful Sterling Hitchcock, but still a move you have to make. The guys they gave up for JV and Greinke haven't done jack. Baseball prospects are more of a crapshoot than the NFL draft is. And by a long shot.

As far as the Texans are concerned trading away one of these WRs they're likely going to be cutting, it's going to be for a draft pick. Then that will be used to either draft a player at that spot, or packaged to move up in the draft to get someone. And I can't imagine any of these potential trade bait WRs going for any better than a 6th, if that much. Not even Woods. Hell, we got a 28 year old 1 time Pro Bowl, 4 time 1,000 yard, 5 time 1,200+ yards from scrimmage RB for a 7th.
 
Porky said:
They were apparently in on Judon. With Autry out, they are looking for some insurance. Plus DeMeco loves him some dlineman.
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An article I read mentioned that Judon may not sign with Atlanta unless they agree to his contract demands. The article indicated he would then revert back to Patriots. My thinking is if the trade was completed without extending him, he is now a Falcon. If they can't sign him, he either sits out and eventually becomes a free agent or Falcons trade him.

Would that put the Texans back into play if indeed they wanted him?
 
Speedy said:
In the long run it probably was too much. BUT, if the Astros have another downtown parade in early November and Kikuchi was part of the reason why, then it really doesn't matter.

The Astros gave up 2 future All Stars for Randy Johnson. No one knew they were going to be All-Stars, of course, but when you're a contender those are the moves you have to make. It didn't work out of course as they couldn't get past the great and powerful Sterling Hitchcock, but still a move you have to make. The guys they gave up for JV and Greinke haven't done jack. Baseball prospects are more of a crapshoot than the NFL draft is. And by a long shot.

As far as the Texans are concerned trading away one of these WRs they're likely going to be cutting, it's going to be for a draft pick. Then that will be used to either draft a player at that spot, or packaged to move up in the draft to get someone. And I can't imagine any of these potential trade bait WRs going for any better than a 6th, if that much. Not even Woods. Hell, we got a 28 year old 1 time Pro Bowl, 4 time 1,000 yard, 5 time 1,200+ yards from scrimmage RB for a 7th.
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Diggs allegedly pushed the trade lowering his value. I agree we won't get much for WRs after 6.
 
badboy said:
An article I read mentioned that Judon may not sign with Atlanta unless they agree to his contract demands. The article indicated he would then revert back to Patriots. My thinking is if the trade was completed without extending him, he is now a Falcon. If they can't sign him, he either sits out and eventually becomes a free agent or Falcons trade him.

Would that put the Texans back into play if indeed they wanted him?
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No way does another team make the same mistake as the Jets have made by trading for Reddick right?

Right???

Like why are you trading for a guy who wants a new contract and is getting traded because of it and then the team acquiring the player...doesn't want to give them a contract.
 
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