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2024 Free Agency

sprtsfanatic said:
Not that it matters now since he's and eagle...but u might wanna go back and look at missed games and injury history...the drop off in talent and the fact that mixon himself is injury prone doesnt even compare....less than mediocre vs an elite talent...We lost and we lost big time....people just dont like to admit it.
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well, we haven't signed Mixon. And, it is absurd to believe we have "lost big time" before free agency has even offically begun. Do you actually believe it is no longer possible for the Texans to have a good RB on the roster in September?
 
Mr teX said:
Hunter is the consummate professional and if they’re able to bring him here, he’d be a perfect fit culture wise. He’s also 1 of the most underrated edge guys in the league b/c he’s so professional and quiet. Even his sack celebration is toned down. Also stays healthy…& That front 4 would be nasty AF with Autry kicking inside with Maliek.
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Also importantly, it would free up a high round draft pick.
 
dalemurphy said:
I am so glad they got rid of Johnston! He punted well, but it is absolutely absurd that, even after a week of practice, he could not kickoff for the team when Fairbairn was injured.
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Also while Johnston was one of the league’s leader in punting average but was mediocre at pinning the opposition inside the 20 yard line
 
sprtsfanatic said:
and yall wanna talk about Barkley being injury prone, but just dismiss it with other players...I dont understand yall AT ALL.
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Mixon has been fairly durable, as has Henry. Jones not so much. I know how hot you were for Barkley and in a way I wanted Caserio to add Barkley and draft Thomas to give Stroud elite weapons. It didn't happen, so I moved on.
 
dalemurphy said:
well, we haven't signed Mixon. And, it is absurd to believe we have "lost big time" before free agency has even offically begun. Do you actually believe it is no longer possible for the Texans to have a good RB on the roster in September?
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ok let me rephrase for yall that cant understand it....Texans lost big time in the RB FA market...all the top tier players gone while failing to retain the one RB that has run well in Houston since Arian Foster.
 
steelbtexan said:
Mixon has been fairly durable, as has Henry. Jones not so much. I know how hot you were for Barkley and in a way I wanted Caserio to add Barkley and draft Thomas to give Stroud elite weapons. It didn't happen, so I moved on.
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Yup, I will have to move on as well. Looks like we just added another need in the draft. Barkley and Thomas would have done wonders for this offense. Now its almost certain we go D in 1st and RB by rd 3...i dont like how these moves have handcuffed our draft needs.
 
JB said:
From your link:
According to ESPN's DJ Bien-Aime, the Texans offered the two-time All-Pro rusher as three-year deal at $33 million, making his annual salary around roughly $11 million.
Hardly BS
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Actually it is BS. Nick tried to low ball the best back in FA market. Everyone knew it was going to take 12m/yr+ to secure his services...coming in at under what he made in NY was an absolute INSULT.
 
sprtsfanatic said:
Yup, I will have to move on as well. Looks like we just added another need in the draft. Barkley and Thomas would have done wonders for this offense. Now its almost certain we go D in 1st and RB by rd 3...i dont like how these moves have handcuffed our draft needs.
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It ain't over til the fat lady sings.
 
sprtsfanatic said:
ok let me rephrase for yall that cant understand it....Texans lost big time in the RB FA market...all the top tier players gone while failing to retain the one RB that has run well in Houston since Arian Foster.
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but it is March... games are 6 months away. Are you saying it is impossible for the Texans to secure a good RB now?

I promise that I will be pissed off, probably to the point where I will lose confidence in Caserio, if the Texans fail to put together a better backfield than last year... or fail to improve the overall number of explosive players on offense.
 
sprtsfanatic said:
ok let me rephrase for yall that cant understand it....Texans lost big time in the RB FA market...all the top tier players gone while failing to retain the one RB that has run well in Houston since Arian Foster.
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I wanted an elite running back but let's not act like not having one kills our offense. In reality they just need a RB that can keep defenses honest and let CJ rest his arm. After last year Caserio has earned the benefit of the doubt so until the season starts with us having some 3rd string guy no one has ever heard of I'll let the process play out.

Though I'll still throw a fit and arm chair GM because that's my right as a fan. :texflag:
 
I’m not to hung up on Singletary. Yeah he exceeded my expectations and was a nice piece to the puzzle but I figured Cj was ok with it so im ok with it. If Cj wanted to keep Devin we would have resigned him
 
dalemurphy said:
I don't thing this is pessimistic to say: but I think the championship window for the Texans starts in 2025, and I think Casserio does as well and is operating accordingly.
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Glad to see you posting.

I do not agree with this. When you have CJ Stroud, the championship window is open. I think Caserio does understand that. I also think Nick has been beat to the punch on some deals. Free agency is not over and Caserio needs to close some deals. Strike while the iron is hot. And with Stroud, the iron is always hot.
 
sprtsfanatic said:
ok let me rephrase for yall that cant understand it....Texans lost big time in the RB FA market...all the top tier players gone while failing to retain the one RB that has run well in Houston since Arian Foster.
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Most of the top ones had signed before they lost out on Barkley. Singletary is JAG.
 
Texansphan said:
Like I mentioned in another post - Nick is biding his time.
A lot of players will be released yet and Texans will be well positioned to grab someone they want.
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Lucky said:
Glad to see you posting.

I do not agree with this. When you have CJ Stroud, the championship window is open. I think Caserio does understand that. I also think Nick has been beat to the punch on some deals. Free agency is not over and Caserio needs to close some deals. Strike while the iron is hot. And with Stroud, the iron is always hot.
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I just mean from a roster-construction standpoint- In other words, I believe they are operating on the understanding this off-season that they can't build a complete team, that they know they are going to have to operate with a lack of talent is some areas. While certainly trying to win now, understanding the "goal" of the team roster you want is still another year away.
 
Lots of good players still on the board. Getting DE Hunter from the Vikings would be huge, but a similar player in Burns just got 6 year 150m deal, so I can understand there may be some hesitation on both sides there. Lots of good DTs still on the board too, who could make a great impact on the team.

At RB they could still pickup Henry or Aaron Jones, both would be better than Singletary. Definitely need to draft a RB too and start building that stable for the future.

And maybe they go for a WR in Calvin Ridley and screw over the Jags in the process? Not sure what he's looking for in $$, but he would be an excellent #2 to Nico.

The sky is not falling, our pets heads are still firmly affixed to their necks, we don't need to panic right now! Please keep calm and carry on!
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Before the season last year I thought poorly of the off season and (some) of the draft. Man, was I ever wrong. LOL

So I'm going to give Tricky Nick Casino the benefit of the doubt until I see this mess on the field after a few regular season games.
 
Dutchrudder said:
Member when we missed out on Nnamdi Asomaoaugh to the Eagles and everyone was super sad? I member...

How did that work out in the end anyways? Did the Eagles win 3 rings with him, or did they cut him like 2 years later? :thinking:
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That's a really good point.
 
DanielTx said:
Also while Johnston was one of the league’s leader in punting average but was mediocre at pinning the opposition inside the 20 yard line
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Johnston’s inside the 20 percentage is 40.9, Townsend 40.8.
Johnston‘s touchback percentage is 6.3 (4.5 in his 3 years in Houston), Townsend 9.0.
 
JB said:
No, to some they're committed to another 3-14 season because they didn't overpay some names the first day of legal tampering
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Like I said, I like the Autry and Al Shaair signings.

What is overpaying? Star level players like Wilkins and Barkley are going to get paid.
 
Dutchrudder said:
Member when we missed out on Nnamdi Asomaoaugh to the Eagles and everyone was super sad? I member...

How did that work out in the end anyways? Did the Eagles win 3 rings with him, or did they cut him like 2 years later? :thinking:
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So they got the second best CB on the market. Is that what the Texans did when they didn't get Wilkins?
 
dalemurphy said:
Has the rate increased in young male athletes who attended college? I am not suggesting anything other than it is weird that we have had three of those in the past few years.
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From what little I’ve read it is by and large down to extremely high rates of obesity, however a part of it is due to ultra processed sugary diets. Now I would guess that while the obesity part of the equation can be completely discounted for NFL draft picks, a lot of them aren’t all in on whole food diets as they are young and spending long enough training each day their physique can probably get away with ultra processed and sugary foods.
 
Very pleased with the Al-Shaair signing, I was a bit disappointed we didn’t get him last year, I think he is a better fit with Ryan’s than he was on the Titans, the blurb on him seems to be not quite as positive as this time last year. Ryan’s knows exactly what he’s going to get from this signing and I’ve seen him speak at length that he wasn’t happy with his front 7 last season overall.
 
JB said:
Every free agent that the Texans signed with the exception of the punter & Lonnie Johnson were defenders that the Texans faced this past year so Ryans knows exactly what he is getting
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The texans played the Saints and Lonnie has been around for awhile now so he is known also.
 
Dutchrudder said:
Lots of good players still on the board. Getting DE Hunter from the Vikings would be huge, but a similar player in Burns just got 6 year 150m deal, so I can understand there may be some hesitation on both sides there.
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Hunter is 4 years older than Burns, so there will be some difference in terms and price. But Hunter is certainly looking to get paid. He's not a bargain basement deal. Over his career, Hunter has averaged 3 sacks every 4 games. You have to pay $$$ for that type of production. The type of production that teams like the Chiefs and Niners get from Jones and Bosa.
 
Mr teX said:
Lol, The PFF grade may say that, but the film don’t…but then again, PFF grades L’jarius Sneed and Steven Nelson as the same last year.

Well 1 of these guys is regarded as an all-pro snub and will be getting paid big time by someone this year as a shut down cb, the other will be looking for work wherever he can find it for substantially less.

Don’t underestimate what fit and surrounding talent can do for a player. Cashman got the benefit of that last year, we’ll see what Al-Shaair can do with those advantages this year.
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I'm not going by pff, you should know that by now. Al Shaair is a downhill 2 down mlb/sam. Health could play a big part as it did with Autry v Greenard. Cashman was the better player in run game and pass game. Injuries are part of it, so I get it.
 
sprtsfanatic said:
Not that it matters now since he's and eagle...but u might wanna go back and look at missed games and injury history...the drop off in talent and the fact that mixon himself is injury prone doesnt even compare....less than mediocre vs an elite talent...We lost and we lost big time....people just dont like to admit it.
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Under 4 ypc for the elite talent huh?
 
Lucky said:
Hunter is 4 years older than Burns, so there will be some difference in terms and price. But Hunter is certainly looking to get paid. He's not a bargain basement deal. Over his career, Hunter has averaged 3 sacks every 4 games. You have to pay $$$ for that type of production. The type of production that teams like the Chiefs and Niners get from Jones and Bosa.
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Yeah, as he should. Football players should never take a discount. His price or years will come down as the days of free agency pass
 
Busy time for me right now but had to throw some of my own opinions to the fire of the board. I’ve had this discussion for weeks with folks outside of the board but anyone that has studied Nick C and the Patriots know that he wasn’t going to spend 12+ million on Barkley or any HB (Bo Jackson’s ghost could come back and he wouldn’t). That he went to 11 million tells me he thought he could get a slight bargain on a player with interest in us on a basically two year deal. It didn’t work out because the Eagles and Roseman knew the Texans would bow out eventually. I like Barkley - but not for 12-14 million.

Aziz is not surprising at all. Harris and TT are both light in the box, Perryman was always meh, and other depth for thumpers was lacking. This is a true ball attacking linebacker for 1/2 down with Harris and TT or someone else with him taking over pass specialist downs.

Autry is another great signing. Forget his age. This is like the Jaguars bringing in a Calais Campbell. Another good/great run stopper that is top 15 in getting after the QB in the last 3 years and can line up as a 1/2/3/4/5 tech. Autry can be as effective or more so than Prime Ninja.

Okudah I really liked coming out of college and the injury bug has touched him repeatedly, but IF he can stay healthy, this is the perfect defense for Okudah. Cornerbacks don’t always hit their prime immediately and if he does well we could have a solid 1/2 combination for a few years if we bring him back next year.

Townsend / Johnston switch I won’t comment on because it’s a wash. Both are above average.

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Moving ahead I think bringing in Hunter if we can will help alleviate the loss of Greenard. We should have known he was gone when we looked at his agency - Rosenhaus brothers. The open market usually always pays more.

I would like to see another safety not named Johnson or Murray added and I am perfectly content with Mixon or Jones as HB1 if we can get it done. Hell we could likely get both or one of these two and Henry for the price of Barkley. Not saying Houston will sign two, but it’s an “option”.

I would like to dive deeper but time constraints won’t allow right now. I will say insiders and execs like the Texans moves a lot more than fans and talking media right now. FWIW.

JWL
 
leebigeztx said:
I'm not going by pff, you should know that by now. Al Shaair is a downhill 2 down mlb/sam. Health could play a big part as it did with Autry v Greenard. Cashman was the better player in run game and pass game. Injuries are part of it, so I get it.
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I think a part of the decision was about who is going to wear the green dot. I think Ryans was more comfortable with Al Shaair. Ryans needs an extension of himself on the field. And Caserio had to overpay a bit because he was beat in a couple of earlier negotiations. We need to remember this was Nick's first FA period where he had cap room. Previously, he was nickel and diming his way thru free agency.
 
I like what Nick did on defense. Autry and Shazeer are good. Added depth in the secondary. Lonnie probably will be ST’s mostly, I hope.

Punter for punter. Ok
Kept Brown.

Now Nick and Demeco are primed to build this team in the draft. RB being one of them.
I like what they’ve done so far.
 
Note: Jones signed with Vikings alas. Mixon it is it seems.

Note 2: Barnwell’s thoughts on Texans


Winner: The Texans' defense
While I'd expect Houston to add a running back to replace departed free agent Devin Singletary, general manager Nick Caserio added two of my favorite free agents to the roster Monday. Both deals appear to be reasonably priced and even take a pair of free agents away from a division rival in Tennessee.
The Titans weren't a great team a year ago, but two things they did well were stop the run and generate pressure up the middle. Some of that was star tackle Jeffery Simmons, but he was aided by the wildly underrated Denico Autry, who posted a career-high 11.5 sacks in his age-33 season. Autry was never going to have a wild market given his age, but I was surprised to see him sign for two years and $20 millionthis early in free agency. That's a great deal for a player who has been remarkably consistent and can play outside on early downs and rush from the interior in passing situations.
Houston added to the mix by upgrading at linebacker and signing Azeez Al-Shaair on a three-year, $34 million pact. Al-Shaair has always been rangy, but he never seemed to get his just due in San Francisco behind Fred Warner and Dre Greenlaw. Given a chance to lead in Tennessee last season, he had his best season as a pro. He posted one of the NFL's lowest missed tackles rate for an off-ball linebacker and recorded nearly 25% of Tennessee's tackles on run plays when he was on the field, the second-highest rate of any player. In reuniting with former 49ers coordinator DeMeco Ryans, Al-Shaair gives Ryans some much-needed speed and quickness at the position.
 
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