I've still got hope they can overcome the greed of the McNair's.
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2023 TEXANS DRAFT DISCUSSION
- Thread starter gwallaia
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I've still got hope they can overcome the greed of the McNair's.
SnakeEyes
Under NRG
Glad we took Stroud, heard too many Levis rumors and got a little concerned.
1st round looks great. I think we will see a WR or 2, maybe a TE and some OL and DL (still need a good DT who is a true DT not a tweener). If we get that, plus what we signed as FAs...we no question have improved big time.
1st round looks great. I think we will see a WR or 2, maybe a TE and some OL and DL (still need a good DT who is a true DT not a tweener). If we get that, plus what we signed as FAs...we no question have improved big time.
SnakeEyes
Under NRG
They were, we had no idea that they were going to move up and snag another top 5 pick to go with a 1a/1b QB. We no question got 2 huge position of need players. And both should be good for years to come. Perhaps even great Pro Bowl types
banned1976
sleeper mode
One of the things that gets under my skin with this board, with every single draft if you're not totally on board with what the Texans did, you're labeled a "hater" and you should "get the ---- off this board", as someone so eloquently put it. Quit following the team. Even the slightest skepticism is met with harsh criticism from other members. It even happened with third round pick Davis Mills. I don't know how many times I had to clarify myself because I wasn't totally enamored with the pick. I don't know how many times I had to write, "again, it's not what I would have done but I understand it" only to be berated into silence. Why can't we all just have our opinions and debate them in a manner conducive to a healthy discussion? It's because y'all don't want to discuss it. You just want the rest of us to fall in line. Social media doing what it does.
At any rate, I'm really looking forward to tonight to see how this vision from Nick and DeMeco shapes out. It should be interesting.
At any rate, I'm really looking forward to tonight to see how this vision from Nick and DeMeco shapes out. It should be interesting.
The1ApplePie
Hall of Fame
Stroud was their guy for months IMO. I think it was the quickest pick of the night. Levis was an obvious smokescreen (for several teams it seems).
I look at the trade as a trade up for Stroud. The only reason Stroud was #2 was specifically for this trade. It was a tactical decision. There were probably other teams bidding for 3 and the Texans said we are getting this done no matter what. So the question is "Is Stroud better than Lance?" Becsuse the 49ers gave up more to move from 12 to 3 to get him.
Correct me if I am wrong Steel, but I think part of your strategy was trading back from 2 and picking up another 1st for next year, because our 1st and Cleveland's first weren't getting to to a spot to pick Williams or Maye.
My suggestion would be to have some social awareness. You are on a board with a bunch of excited fans. These are fanatics! Top Tier of the fan base. There juices are flowing. Why feel the need to be the person pissing in to their cup....?
Maybe. Or Stroud was their number one all along. It was widely reported pre Demeco hiring that they were going to use the top pick on the QB. It was even said by Demeco himself. Then you had Texans insiders who were talking about Stroud and Young as 1a/1b.
We literally just heard speculation for the last few months and they were all largely wrong.
Nick and Demeco ******* locked it in and didn't leak ****. Very impressed by them.
I'm not disagreeing with you I'm saying that to get both the best way to do it was to draft Stroud before Anderson because there would be more teams trying to trade up to get Stroud at 3 than Anderson at 3. They could have drafted Anderson at 2 then Stroud at 3 , but it probably would have cost more.
Texian
Hall of Fame
I think I gave up hope for the McNairs when Bob signed Ed Reed without any discussions with the coaches. It came as a complete shock to Wade Phillips. That move reminds me of the mindset in the Texans draft room last night.
Texian
Hall of Fame
You are talking about the Kool-Aid Brigade. Their giddiness is a result of not knowing better. They behaved in the same manner when Davis Mills was drafted. Moreso with Stingley and Green. I tried to tell them then that those were FUBARs too.
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The1ApplePie
Hall of Fame
If the Texans take Anderson first, then the Titans trade up with the Cards for Stroud.
Or the Texans do which would have resulted in more draft capital to outbid the Titans
Texansphan
Football connoisseur
So you're saying that trade was not strategy going in to the draft?
Texansphan
Football connoisseur
?
Wanting a top QB and Edge makes one a Kool-Aid drinker?
If you didn't, then you are out of touch.
Take a look in the mirror.
I think it was eventually. I BELIEVE Cal said "I want Stroud or Young. Then give Demeco what he wants" Now at what point that became the strategy, who knows?
Edit: I don't know what you meant by "going into the draft" I don't know if you meant the strategy at 12 PM yesterday or a few days ago. Who knows when Cal tore himself away from the video games.
Texian
Hall of Fame
More successful than any QB playing for the Texans. Stroud hasn't taken a snap and comes with a resume of extreme panic in pressure situations and could not win the BIG games.
You seem to actually be a very negative person judging from the post.
What about Stroud do you not like? and who did you prefer?
Stingley and Green are young players. Could end up being really good players. Being quick to dismiss is on you.
The1ApplePie
Hall of Fame
He wanted Stetson Bennett.. who is probably going undrafted.
That's just who he is. I said in another post that the Texans could have given up just 1.12 and a 6th rounder and he would complain it wasn't a 7th rounder instead.
He also wanted Nolan Smith at 2
Texian
Hall of Fame
Yep, my fault. I've been watching NFL football for over 60 years. I got a pretty good feel for winning organizations and owners. In order for the McNairs to win, it would involve a blind squirrel or lightning in a bottle. If you're measuring critical, smart, independent thinking of NFL owners, Cal McNair would rank very close to, if not at the very bottom.
Texazan
Our HOF 34
He sucked in the Super Bowl with TB that’s what I was referencing, Stafford etc. solid to great QB can win a SB3 years ago Brady passed for over 4,600 yards, 40 Tds, and just 12 ints.. The next year he passed for over 5,300 yards, 43 Tds, and just 12 ints.
Texian
Hall of Fame
Please, just once try and get it right. What I said is Bennett would likely be a better NFL QB than Stroud. He certainly was in college.
The1ApplePie
Hall of Fame
The entire offseason was built around a QB at 2.
Lock up Tunsil long-term
Get a rookie QB's best friend in Schultz
Trade for a solid guard
Sign Case, who can mentor, while not being a legit threat to beat a rookie out for the job.
That rookie was either going to be Stroud or Young. Pretty obvious no one has faith in Levis.
Lock up Tunsil long-term
Get a rookie QB's best friend in Schultz
Trade for a solid guard
Sign Case, who can mentor, while not being a legit threat to beat a rookie out for the job.
That rookie was either going to be Stroud or Young. Pretty obvious no one has faith in Levis.
I DON'T BELIEVE Cal said anything other than 'Do what you think best for the team'. I believe that Cal has realized he has to trust his football people, especially since he's happy with NC for digging the team out of purgatory.
Thorn
Dirty Old Man
I didn't want Stroud because of the baggage that comes with him, not because I don't think he'll be a good QB. I don't care who you draft, you probably won't know what you got for a while anyway.
The history of professional football in Houston is, for the most part, a miserable one. And the Texans organization isn't a good one. I keep hoping things change, but they never do. Maybe DeMeco changes things, it would sure be nice.
But I ain't holding my breath.
They spent to much draft capital so far. Way to much. But, if it pans out, then it was a great move. If not, well, back to the typical Texans crap show we're all used to.
The history of professional football in Houston is, for the most part, a miserable one. And the Texans organization isn't a good one. I keep hoping things change, but they never do. Maybe DeMeco changes things, it would sure be nice.
But I ain't holding my breath.
They spent to much draft capital so far. Way to much. But, if it pans out, then it was a great move. If not, well, back to the typical Texans crap show we're all used to.
Texian
Hall of Fame
Nope, wrong again, 1.12 YES.
sandman
Brexit Advisor
I for one appreciate healthy, thoughtful skepticism. I appreciate cautious optimism. What I don't appreciate is the 2-3 posters who for years have had an agenda and only logged in last night to push their agenda. I (hopefully) don't think anyone sees you as having an agenda or part of that small bit of asshattery. The Kool-Aid Brigade got a bit excited last night, for good reason, and may have had some misdirected passions.
Sometimes we act in the stands like we wouldn't act on the street. Hopefully everyone is cool with everyone today.
Big yikes. The game has changed old man. Time to stop stressing and take your BP medication.
Extreme panic? You act like he is the second coming of Blaine Gabbert.
CJ's footwork is almost flawless in the pocket at all times.
Even without Stroud this team is getting better and better.
We most likely (hopefully) won’t be picking in the top 15 for a good many years so we would have had to move up in later years to get someone (better) anyway and if the QBs are that much better a lot of other teams will be doing the same lessening our chances.
I’m good with it, if Stroud can read defenses I think he’ll be really solid.
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Texian
Hall of Fame
Except for that time he was falling backward on his left leg launching a wounded duck. Why can't you Kool-Aid drinkers just admit that his performance under pressure has been rather dismal?
Texian
Hall of Fame
The game has changed yes, stupid owners have not. You do know that when you resort to insults and name-calling I have won, right? Come back at me when you got more than insults and name-calling. Try to up your game and get it out of the gutter. BTW just an FYI insults and name-calling are not permitted here at Texans Talk.
sandman
Brexit Advisor
I swear, you've made the same post about this one play at least two dozen times.
I'm so sorry, I have failed you as a moderator. I will keep my eyes open for any "berated into silence"
Then again I probably didn't notice because I like mud wrestling with pigs... so,
banned1976
sleeper mode
Although I won't be sacrificing my sobriety tonight, I will be going off my diet for some nachos. What the heck, the NFL draft only comes around once a year.
LOL. You are so triggered. This is toxic man.
Hardly insulted you. Thicker skin is needed.
Speedy
Former Yeller Dweller
Remind me what baggage that is again exactly. Are you referring to his agent? If so I thought for sure that would be a problem with the Texans even considering him. But then they really don’t have to deal with the agent for a few years. Probably be a good idea to draft a QB in 3 years or so.
sandman
Brexit Advisor
Having a daughter with a psychology degree means I have involuntarily listened to conversations about personalities. She made a premise one time that a triggered response and gaslighting can look like the same thing if the person is a sociopathic narcissist. And honestly, that is something I always consider now when interacting with people.
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banned1976
sleeper mode
The moderating is fine. I have no problem with it. When I choose to stop posting it's because I choose not to argue. And that was the choice I made last night. I just want us to get along. I think over 90% of Texans fans are happy with at least the concept the Texans are trying something different. My draft philosophy hasn't changed regarding this team. I just feel like the more players the better for this team. Because it is so devoid of talent everywhere. I feel like the Texans could have come away with three starters for the first three picks this year and two more in the first-round next year. Instead of five contributors they're coming away with three (Anderson, Stroud and whoever they pick in the first-round next year with their last remaining 1st round pick). But, if both Stroud and Anderson become cornerstones on this roster, it will work out in the end and my (mild) skepticism will be unwarranted.
Anyway, that's where I stand today. Neither gleeful nor gloomy and excited to see what happens next.
I didn't want Stroud either because of his performance under pressure and to me it appeared his receivers made his accuracy look a lot better than it truly is. Without remarkable receivers and their catch radius a lot of throws would be misses. I wanted Anderson at 2 and was disappointed when they took Stroud but was resigned to supporting him as I do all Texans and hoping for the best. But once they traded up to 3 and took Anderson I was ecstatic! What a brilliant move. It all makes sense now and I am pumped! Can't wait for tonights action.
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BattleRedBlud
Blue Steel Pose. No Excuses!
I am a firm believer in what Casserio said about trading and draft points in one of his interviews. Evaluate the trade based on the player you are receiving. If you feel that person is an asset to the team and can be a gamechanger, you trade for them, points be damned. Now that isn't verbatim, but you get the jist.
In my opinion the front office WAS in fact split. DO we take Stroud at #2 or Anderson. And it was decided, why not both? Once that became the consensus, it was time for smoke and mirrors, phone calls and trade scenarios. I think they smashed the 1st round of this draft and the days leading up to it. Stroud wasn't my #1 choice, but I am pleased as punch. After his presser with Anderson, I love them both. Seem to have good attitudes, place god 1st and want to win. Lets hope we can.
In my opinion the front office WAS in fact split. DO we take Stroud at #2 or Anderson. And it was decided, why not both? Once that became the consensus, it was time for smoke and mirrors, phone calls and trade scenarios. I think they smashed the 1st round of this draft and the days leading up to it. Stroud wasn't my #1 choice, but I am pleased as punch. After his presser with Anderson, I love them both. Seem to have good attitudes, place god 1st and want to win. Lets hope we can.
CloakNNNdagger
Hall of Fame
I have discussed my remaining concern about Mulugheta as the agent for Stroud with a couple of football people who share my concern. The Texans certainly can protect themselves in being very cautious about terms of contract such as no no-trade clause and no stupid money...........But it would be impossible to avoid somewhat of a circus again if Mulugheta pulls another Jalen Ramsey, Deshaun Watson, Kareem Hunt move..........i.e., demand for "early trade" despite unmet contract obligations.
Jalen Hurts got a ridiculous contract without Mulugheta.
Lamar Jackson needed no agent to advise him about requesting a trade before inkling his mega deal.
It's just the current situation of the NFL.
CloakNNNdagger
Hall of Fame
Whatever you believe. Mulugheta has shown a pattern. He wants players to be able to enter free agency at any time.
Just ignore the sunshine pumpers. This team needs talent desperately. They gave up a ton for Anderson and better have a plan to get Stroud a Center / guard. I would go after Wypler or maybe a better option would be Avila who can play C or G. Our running back room is crazy over rated here. Pierce is a beast but with his Running style he isn’t going to be able to make it through an entire year without missing time. You have to wonder how long he can survive with that style. Singletary is meh At this stage or Chicago would’ve resigned him. There’s no one after that who should start a game in the NFL. Ron Johnson and Israel Abanikanda who is a perfect fit for this offense would be nice. TEs, big time meh. Dalton Shultz is good not great and the rest are well you know. there are 10 draftable TEs in this draft. It would be nice to get one of them. The WR room needs speed and a number 1 that doesn’t exist in this draft. Mingo, Reed, Rice, Perry and Losivas are all Pretty good.
there are some here who need to put down the keyboard and get themselves some Pom poms. Porky for example. Lol.