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2023 TEXANS DRAFT DISCUSSION

Jags had several average players over perform last year. As I mentioned, the division.

I don't think I am talking rose colored glasses.

They have done enough to compete for a division if they hit on the QB. That's not saying much if you expect Green, Stingley, and Pitre to also improve.

The Jags look to have a young franchise QB, which is all that matters in the NFL. Terrible teams with great QBs win games and even Super Bowls. Great teams with bad QBs don't win anything.

The Cowboys are arguably the most talented team in the NFL. They have a mediocre QB, far from terrible, but not great. They aren't winning anything in the playoffs.
 
The Jags look to have a young franchise QB, which is all that matters in the NFL. Terrible teams with great QBs win games and even Super Bowls. Great teams with bad QBs don't win anything.

The Cowboys are arguably the most talented team in the NFL. They have a mediocre QB, far from terrible, but not great. They aren't winning anything in the playoffs.
Btw the cowboys just caught up with texans in terms of playoff victories.
 
If they don’t take Stroud at 2 strictly because of his agent, but would gladly take him at 2 if he had a different agent, then that means it’s a McNair decision overriding everyone else. Although I can sympathize with McNair with the way that Watson and his agent f’cked him over, not taking Stroud for that very reason would be the classic example of cutting your nose off to spite your face.
 
What do I think the Texans will do?
1.2 Will Anderson - DeMeco goes with the Alumni pick. Anderson will be DeMeco's Bosa. (could possibly trade back.)

Will Anderson
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Nick Bosa
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6 ft 3+3⁄4 in
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266 lb
(121 kg)
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4.79 s1.62 s2.76 s4.14 s7.10 s33.5 in
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9 ft 8 in
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1.12 Jaxon Smith-Njigba (Cooks replacement and Slowik's pick, also fits with Texans taking an injured player).

If you are passing out koolaid for this draft I will take a gallon.
 
The Vikings entire draft (they don't have a 2nd) is not worth half of #2. They would have to trade 2 more #1's and a Justin Jefferson or similar.

Just a thought but if Cousins has one more year on the deal, let's include him to be a truly worthy bridge QB for 23.

I'll take the swap of 1sts in this draft, Cousins, their 2nd this year, and 1st and 3rd next year. That is more than enough in my mind to get this deal done.

I'll combine their #2 and our #33 to move back up in the 1st for Hooker (or just take him at #23). Give Hooker a (mostly) redshirt year, then roll him out in 24. I want the 5th year option.

If they get out-maneuvered for Hooker, I'll take a flyer on a lower round on a guy like Haener, Duggan, or Tune and put him on the PS...with the idea that I now have 3 #1 picks next year to package and/or land one of the top QB's in 24. I've got Cousins as my starter, Case is my #2 guy, and Mills gets to hold a clipboard while being inactive on game days.

* Edit, I see Minn doesn't have a #2 this year. In that case, I'm wanting a proven high quality player in the deal instead. I don't think Jefferson is going to be relinquished. Za’Darius Smith anyone?
 
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What do I think the Texans will do?
1.2 Will Anderson - DeMeco goes with the Alumni pick. Anderson will be DeMeco's Bosa. (could possibly trade back.)

Will Anderson
HeightWeightArm lengthHand span40-yard dash10-yard split20-yard split
6 ft 3+1⁄2 in
(1.92 m)
253 lb
(115 kg)
33+7⁄8 in
(0.86 m)
9+7⁄8 in
(0.25 m)
4.60 s1.61 s2.64 s
vs



Nick Bosa
HeightWeightArm lengthHand span40-yard dash10-yard split20-split20-yard shuttleThree-cone drillVertical jumpBroad jumpBench pressWonderlic
6 ft 3+3⁄4 in
(1.92 m)
266 lb
(121 kg)
33 in
(0.84 m)
10+3⁄4 in
(0.27 m)
4.79 s1.62 s2.76 s4.14 s7.10 s33.5 in
(0.85 m)
9 ft 8 in
(2.95 m)
29 reps23
1.12 Jaxon Smith-Njigba (Cooks replacement and Slowik's pick, also fits with Texans taking an injured player).
I would hesitate to choose Njiba, especially at 1.12 for 2 reasons. One as I've previously posted is his recent injury history of high ankle sprain followed by a very slow healing severe grade II hamstring for which he couldn't return after injury in week 3, and which has a good chance of becoming a recurrent long-term issue. Secondly, Njigba is not an outside receiver which is what the Texans are desperate for. I put him in the slot where he was at Ohio State. And he's not going to really take the top off of the defense because he's not fast enough, he's no burner. Brandin Cooks was an outside receiver with the skills to fill in at the slot when needed.
 
Just a thought but if Cousins has one more year on the deal, let's include him to be a truly worthy bridge QB for 23.

I'll take the swap of 1sts in this draft, Cousins, their 2nd this year, and 1st and 3rd next year. That is more than enough in my mind to get this deal done.

I'll combine their #2 and our #33 to move back up in the 1st for Hooker (or just take him at #23). Give Hooker a (mostly) redshirt year, then roll him out in 24. I want the 5th year option.

If they get out-maneuvered for Hooker, I'll take a flyer on a lower round on a guy like Haener, Duggan, or Tune and put him on the PS...with the idea that I now have 3 #1 picks next year to package and/or land one of the top QB's in 24. I've got Cousins as my starter, Case is my #2 guy, and Mills gets to hold a clipboard while being inactive on game days.

The only reason value Case has on this team is to mentor a draft pick and maybe a short-term bridge that is dependent on how quickly the shiny new QB develops. Not worth $6.5 million to be a backup to Cousins. They have two more cheap years of Mills at $2.5 million to do that. Don't need two 35-year-old QB's.

Plus Cousins has a no-trade clause.
 
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I think we've heard just about everything regarding the Texan's plans other than them forfeiting the pick because they dont think anyone in this draft is worth 1.2.

So basically, since the media doesn't actually know spit, they would rather wild ass guess with like 4th or 5th hand information.

Note: I have actually had fun with watching this play out for some reason this year.
 
I would hesitate to choose Njiba, especially at 1.12 for 2 reasons. One as I've previously posted is his recent injury history of high ankle sprain followed by a very slow healing severe grade II hamstring for which he couldn't return after injury in week 3, and which has a good chance of becoming a recurrent long-term issue. Secondly, Njigba is not an outside receiver which is what the Texans are desperate for. I put him in the slot where he was at Ohio State. And he's not going to really take the top off of the defense because he's not fast enough, he's no burner. Brandin Cooks was an outside receiver with the skills to fill in at the slot when needed.

The Texans have never had a good slot receiver who could always find a way to get open. Njigba would solve that problem. Yes, I know he was injured last year, but his combine times showed that he is healthy again. As for chances of his recurrent injury issues, you basically can say that about any player. I’d certainly take him at 12, especially if they draft Stroud at 2.
 
The Texans have never had a good slot receiver who could always find a way to get open. Njigba would solve that problem. Yes, I know he was injured last year, but his combine times showed that he is healthy again. As for chances of his recurrent injury issues, you basically can say that about any player. I’d certainly take him at 12, especially if they draft Stroud at 2.

The caveat to this argument is that the Texans already drafted a really good slot receiver last year. Who had injuries/medical issues. Who sat out a year. And who appears to be fully healthy. That they spent significant draft capital on.
 
The Jags look to have a young franchise QB, which is all that matters in the NFL. Terrible teams with great QBs win games and even Super Bowls. Great teams with bad QBs don't win anything.

The Cowboys are arguably the most talented team in the NFL. They have a mediocre QB, far from terrible, but not great. They aren't winning anything in the playoffs.
Trevor Lawrence didn’t look like much until the Jags actually put players around him……
 
The Texans have never had a good slot receiver who could always find a way to get open. Njigba would solve that problem. Yes, I know he was injured last year, but his combine times showed that he is healthy again. As for chances of his recurrent injury issues, you basically can say that about any player. I’d certainly take him at 12, especially if they draft Stroud at 2.
Running an optimal time at the combine doesn’t tell you how susceptible someone’s body is to re-injury. Ex: Will Fuller.
 
Also before we call Trevor Lawrence a franchise QB, didn’t he have around 5 interceptions in a playoff game? He has a solid defense and team around him.
 
The only reason value Case has on this team is to mentor a draft pick and maybe a short-term bridge that is dependent on how quickly the shiny new QB develops. Not worth $6.5 million to be a backup to Cousins. They have two more cheap years of Mills at $2.5 million to do that. Don't need two 35-year-old QB's.

Plus Cousins has a no-trade clause.

Good points and I didn't think about the no-trade. Thanks for the input.
 
Lance Zerline (spelling?) said on the radio today that it is rumored that the Texans are targeting Trey Lance in a trade.
What he said this morning on his own show is, he can see the Texans trading for him (Trey Lance) if they don't draft a QB in the first.

He also said Peter King and Schefter reports on Texans going defense were from the same source. That source being a GM he (Lance Z) spoke to. So that source was basically feeding off what Lance thought. Lance reiterated, he does not have a source inside the Texans front office so this defense talk isn't from a true source.
 
In your opinion.

CJ would be the 3rd QB taken in next years draft. That certainly doesn't scream top 10 QB to me. There are only 2 QB's that have top 10 QB ability in this draft. IMHO, Richardson and Levis. Levis is the only QB in this draft that's run the system Ryans/Slowik want to run. With that said, give me Hooker, but I will support any QB drafted.. Will you, even if 1-2 is Levis?
No he wouldn't by most accounts. He's right behind Williams who you know teams haven't poked holes in his game yet. Talking about Stroud couldn't beat Michigan, Williams can't beat Utah. We will see. Same was said about Matt Barkley, Hackenberg, and the qb at Spencer Rattler, remember?
 
Good points and I didn't think about the no-trade. Thanks for the input.

I had to Google the no-trade angle. Thought about would he want to come here. Seems like his current situation would give him a better opportunity for another contract after this final year of his current deal.
 
No he wouldn't by most accounts. He's right behind Williams who you know teams haven't poked holes in his game yet. Talking about Stroud couldn't beat Michigan, Williams can't beat Utah. We will see. Same was said about Matt Barkley, Hackenberg, and the qb at Spencer Rattler, remember?
Hard to do when your defense is giving up 43 and 47 points, respectively.
 
Lance Zerline (spelling?) said on the radio today that it is rumored that the Texans are targeting Trey Lance in a trade.
After what the 49ers gave up for Lance to begin with, even if there is any truth to that rumor, Lance would need to virtually be a "gimme"............something I don't believe the Niners would do.

The last time Lance made it through a full season was back in 2019 when he was still at North Dakota State where he had the kind of success that helped convince the 49ers he was worth the investment.

Since then, Lance saw one game with the Bison in 2020 before the pandemic ended that campaign (In his 2020 offseason at North Dakota, he underwent a left medial meniscus excision.), made it through two starts and a second-half relief effort for Garoppolo in 2021 (suffering a left medial collateral grade I sprain Oct 10) and then added a mere 6 quarters of action in 2022 before being relegated to a season-ending fracture/dislocation resulting in 2 reconstructive surgeries.
 
Anderson is every bit as big as our top edge rusher last year - Jerry Hughes.
Jerry washed out in Indy and turned it around in Buffalo. Jerry Hughes was also a 2nd rd pick. If you tell me Will Anderson will produce like Jerry Hughes, I'm going to be disappointed. At 2, that dude as a pass rusher needs to be all pro/ pro bowl for like 6 or 7 times like Myles Garrett, Von Miller. Even as awesome and productive Myles Garrett has been, they traded drafted a qb # and traded for Watson.
 
Hard to do when your defense is giving up 43 and 47 points, respectively.
It's college, sometimes you have to just outscore people. That game vs Michigan, they broke the record for most plays over 50 yds didn't they. I mean Michigan scored 4 long tds on 4 plays when guys were going untouched.
 
2024 Top 5 Draft picks:
1. Caleb Williams, QB, USC
2. Drake Maye, QB, NC
3. Marvin Harrison Jr., WR OSU
4. Brock Bowers, TE, Georgia
5. Emeka Egbuka, WR, OSU

?6?. Shedeur Sanders, QB, Colorado (don't be surprised if he becomes the #1 QB in the 2024 draft)
 
The Texans have never had a good slot receiver who could always find a way to get open. Njigba would solve that problem. Yes, I know he was injured last year, but his combine times showed that he is healthy again. As for chances of his recurrent injury issues, you basically can say that about any player. I’d certainly take him at 12, especially if they draft Stroud at 2.
There are too many things wrong with that thinking to keep repeating it player for player. The Combine seldom proves or disproves whether a previous injury has affected a player............in game is the only event where an injury is re-stressed with reflection in time on performance.

Metchie was specifically drafted to be our slot.
 
2024 Top 5 Draft picks:
1. Caleb Williams, QB, USC
2. Drake Maye, QB, NC
3. Marvin Harrison Jr., WR OSU
4. Brock Bowers, TE, Georgia
5. Emeka Egbuka, WR, OSU

?6?. Shedeur Sanders, QB, Colorado

I would much rather the Texans go for their QB now as it would be on the house.

Use your picks next year to get your favorite Edge or Pass Catching Threat. Great value for Pass Catchers next year.
 
Also before we call Trevor Lawrence a franchise QB, didn’t he have around 5 interceptions in a playoff game? He has a solid defense and team around him.

4 INTs in the win over the Chargers. Three were in the first quarter, of his first ever playoff game.

He shook it off and had 4 TD's after that. Two were 4th quarter TD's, along with a 2-point conversion, and had a drive in the last two minutes that set up the game winning FG.

Listen, after the bye week both he and the team played significantly better. 12 TD's to 2 INT. Sacked only 10 times. Three 300 yard games after having one in the first nine games. Got a playoff win.

That's a much better second season than Allen or Hurts who showed out in year 3. And he got another weapon in Ridley.
 
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The Cardinals pick is pretty telling on what the league knows. They know nothing.

Teams are reportedly ready to trade with Arizona pending Houston's pick. They want Stroud.

Why haven't they done it? Zero indication that the Texans are going to pass on him.

Also with the Texans reported interest in Pick 3, per reports. Houston would be foolish to give up there hand now when they can buy time to iron out details on Pick 3 or 5 for their defensive guy.

Fireworks inbound.
 
Yes, we need a QB.

If you draft by positions that you need, then you end up screwed.

That makes no sense. So we shouldn't draft a pass rusher because we need one?

The people evaluating the talent.

If the Texans think that Stroud is a mid to high starting level of QB, then they should take him at #2.

Some people think he is and some people don't.

You can't let your needs color your evaluations of the players or you'll end up making a bad choice.

Personally, from everything I've read, heard, and seen, both Young and Stroud have flaws that would have cost them first round draft status in years that had true franchise QBs available. I'd either take a defensive player or trade back. I would have no problem trading with the Colts and let them take Stroud or Levis or whomever because I don't think Stroud or those other guys are going to be very good.

But it's not up to me. The Texans have to get this right. If they're not sold on these QBs, then they should take someone they are sold on and/or trade back.

I'll be fine with whomever the Texans pick. I'll be rooting for that player to succeed because I want the Texans to succeed.

I can promise you that whatever we think of these guys are not what teams are thinking. Their evaluations are a whole hell of a lot more indepth than the evaluations of anybody here. And hell, even the professionals don't get it right more times than not. This stuff truly is a crapshoot.

I have no doubt the Texans will do what THEY feel is right for their team. I was simply addressing the need we DO have for QB, being in a position to draft one, and some folks here not wanting them the draft one. If not now, when?
 
I've said before a few times, I really like what we're doing in the pre draft market. We've made #2 a strong trade destination.

Here's the drawback imo. We ARE the pivot point in the draft and because of that, we're going to get an f-load of national scrutiny no matter who we pick.

I'm ok with that as I don't care ,but be forewarned, it's going to be brutal.
 
Jerry washed out in Indy and turned it around in Buffalo. Jerry Hughes was also a 2nd rd pick. If you tell me Will Anderson will produce like Jerry Hughes, I'm going to be disappointed. At 2, that dude as a pass rusher needs to be all pro/ pro bowl for like 6 or 7 times like Myles Garrett, Von Miller. Even as awesome and productive Myles Garrett has been, they traded drafted a qb # and traded for Watson.
Take a break man, because the only thing i am saying here is that anderson has enough size to play in a 4-3.
 
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No he wouldn't by most accounts. He's right behind Williams who you know teams haven't poked holes in his game yet. Talking about Stroud couldn't beat Michigan, Williams can't beat Utah. We will see. Same was said about Matt Barkley, Hackenberg, and the qb at Spencer Rattler, remember?

I'm a self-professed Caleb Williams fanboy and even I have concerns that he is a product of Riley's system (see: Utah game). I see Stroud and Williams on the same level (for different reasons) but Williams has another year to develop and grow. IMHO, what we see from Stroud is what we will get from Stroud. Not sure he has a higher ceiling. I will be honest enough to say the anticipation that Williams might is what makes me want him.
 
As far as I can tell by the limited video that was available, he sustained a Jones fracture in Nov last season which require the placement of a screw. Last month, he underwent a second procedure for "removal of hardware." From what I can ascertain, the prominence of the screw head used to repair the fracture was giving him a problem and was removed. There is ~15% chance that when a player returns to play, there can be a "backing out" of the screw and potential refracture. But the likelihood of this being the case with no signs of non union or poor healing of the fracture is very small. His Draft stock could possibly drop, but shouldn't, as his future should experience no long-term ill effects of his injury.
I just came across a picture of Tyree Wilson being carted off after his season-end foot injury. Now I have to reconsider his injury. The bandage he is sporting in the pic is not one you expect for a Jones fracture. Rather, it's one I would place for a midfoot sprain..........specifically a Lisfranc injury. The fact that his surgery was Nov 21 and he missed not only the Combine, but also required a 2nd surgery to remove hardware and failed to perform at his Pro Day for which at the time of the Combine he promised he would be there.......................I am very guarded about his future. If a simple screw/screw head removal for a Jones fracture (which only requires a 1cm incision) was performed, it makes no sense that his surgeon Dr. Robert Anderson well-known foot specialist would write a letter saying he should not work out for 2 weeks in order to avoid sweating and increasing chances of infection.

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"in talking to teams, their hunch the pick is Tyree Wilson at 2, bosa type and build that doesn't come around very often, ceiling and potential is so high with Tyree, Anderson's name is nowhere to be found, Anderson is a generational human being teams tell him, one team said it would be like Demeco drafting Demeco with the pick of Anderson, this is the type of player that could run your defense for the next decade, interesting you don't see Anderson's name in any of these mocks at 2"

 
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The Cardinals pick is pretty telling on what the league knows. They know nothing.

Teams are reportedly ready to trade with Arizona pending Houston's pick. They want Stroud.

Why haven't they done it? Zero indication that the Texans are going to pass on him.

Also with the Texans reported interest in Pick 3, per reports. Houston would be foolish to give up there hand now when they can buy time to iron out details on Pick 3 or 5 for their defensive guy.

Fireworks inbound.
Zero indication that the Texans are going to take him.
 
BOB would have changed his mind 3 times by now about who he wants. Had Easterby put a birdie in Cal's ear about who they should target. Then Carsterio after he changed his mind. Then thrown both of them under the bus for wanting the wrong guy. Whispered character concerns to the media about guys on the team they wanted to replace. Yeah, that's an exaggeration, but the disfunction was at that level. Thank God those days are over (for now).
 
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