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2023 TEXANS DRAFT DISCUSSION
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Texansballer74
The Marine
At work listening to the 610 guys fall apart at the idea of Young not coming here. Idk I just don’t see it. I’m cool with taking a shot at it if he’s there at 2 but I just don’t find myself upset at maybe missing out on him.
LSU 2022 tape really soured me on his NFL prospects tbh
LSU 2022 tape really soured me on his NFL prospects tbh
Texansballer74
The Marine
One game wow.
I thought Young played pretty well after that bonehead interception in the end zone on the opening drive. Young can try to do too much, sometimes.
That’s funny because after watching that was my favorite play of his the whole game. Stopped on a dime, changed his arm angle and threw around the guy. Just a little off on the throw which obviously turned out to be a big deal but I thought the play was great.
What worried me is that was one of the few games I saw where he got pressured a lot and was mostly unable to escape the pocket. The lack of size and lack of arm strength reared its ugly head imo and I think there’s a good chance that’s what the NFL looks like for him
Texansballer74
The Marine
Every darn quarterback has those type of games. I’ve seen every quarterback getting pressured and couldn’t perform to their best ability.
Lol one freaking game. Some fans are off the chains. Bump the rest of his body of work.
Lol one freaking game. Some fans are off the chains. Bump the rest of his body of work.
No, the pressure wasn't a problem for Young. He burned LSU early on a blitz, then he made two guys miss on another blitz and found the WR on a 40 yard pass to take the lead in the 4th quarter. It was LSU's defense only rushing 3 (sometimes 2), keeping a spy on Young, and playing a 5 wide zone. It baffled Bill O'Brien to come up with zone beaters and had Bryce holding the ball for way too long. Still, Young gave the team a chance to win, but Bama's defense couldn't contain the slippery LSU QB. One of the slowest Bama defenses I've seen in years.
I truly don’t know how you can watch that game and say the pressure wasn’t a problem for Young. They got in his face and he couldn’t complete passes. They put a spy on him and he couldn’t do his normal thing outside of the pocket to the same degree he usually does. You think NFL DC’s won’t the do the same thing?
Not saying it’s all on him the line should have played better and I’m sure old Billy didn’t do a great job.
Yes every QB has bad games thanks for the insight lmfao
It was coverage, not pressure. Young had time if he could have found an open receiver. And that’s the best way to defend a young QB. Don’t blitz and give them an easy read. Play a zone and hope they try to force the ball in. That’s what Lovie did in Trevor Lawrence’s first game.
There were certainly plays where there was no one open but by and large the biggest issue I saw was when LSU dirtied up the pocket Young wasn’t able to keep up accuracy wise.
xtruroyaltyx
Hall of Fame
When i watch Anderson i dont see the prototypical pass rush specialist who explodes off the edge and uses a variety of moves to get the edge or get past blockers.
I dont see von miller when i look at his tape. I had to look at him a lot to even see what the hype was.
I think there is a pathway for him to be a really good nfl player, but i see a high bust rate as well. I think just for him to be a good player hes going to have to always have the highest motor on the field.
Seth payne was actually talking about Anderson earlier and he has the same assessment.
If you're looking for certain things in a pass rusher, I can see your point. Anderson doesn't take off the edge at a 45 degree angle trying to circle around to the QB often. But he can. It's just as likely he beats his blocker on an inside move. Or a bull rush. His toolbox is full. And what really makes Anderson special is that he's there all day long. He's relentless. And guys who don't quit get sacks. JJ Watt. Aaron Donald. They keep going until the QB is on the ground. That's what Will Anderson is all about.
Texansballer74
The Marine
So do you knock those quarterbacks for those games as well.
Young still threw for 328 yards that game. And dude every quarterback accuracy takes a dip in dirty pockets. You’re nitpicking off of one freaking game. Like Lucky said he made plays that put his team in position to win that game.
Hey no need to get snarky either.
xtruroyaltyx
Hall of Fame
I don’t. Pass rushers can be effective in many ways and from different positions on the line.
Relentlessness is great, but relentlessness with great skill and physical tools is what makes Watt and Donald special. Most of their sacks come/came from just whipping the players in front of them. Not from the qb holding the ball and they just never gave up.
Whitney Mercilus was relentless but I don’t want the number 2 overall version of Mercilus.
When I say relentless, I'm talking about guys who don't take snaps off, like Jalen Carter does. Not a guy who gets vulture sacks. Don't see how anyone can watch Will Anderson and not see he's the straw that stirs the drink.
CloakNNNdagger
Hall of Fame
Was Brock Purdy’s emergence predictable? S2 Cognition test has pointed to NFL success
The top NFL quarterbacks tend to score high on the S2 Cognition test that 800 draft prospects take each year. Purdy aced his exam last year.theathletic.com
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There are empiric problems choosing QB passer rating to relate to S2 testing and QB performance/success.:
Why Passer Rating is not a Good Stat
Passer rating is outdated, complicated, and it isn't the best "advanced" stat out there for quarterbacks. It is time to stop using passer rating.
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Because of the "protective" QB and WR rule changes and other reasons, QB passer ratings have progressively increased over the past years
Texansballer74
The Marine
Yes I knock other QB’s for bad games why wouldn’t I. And it’s not just one game that was just by far his worst. Yeah he threw for 328 yards but on 50 attempts with a completion % of 49%. It was a terrible game.
Texansballer74
The Marine
And yet he still put his team in position to win that game. If anything that should show how mentally tough he is as well.
Porky
Hall of Fame
If you don't think Anderson is a monster, you must think he's a bust. Like everything in life, there's no place for a middle ground. I said I think he'll be good - he is a hard-effort player and has enough juice to be a good, and possibly a very good player. Exceptional? I can't quite get there but certainly can't rule it out.
I've got Anderson somewhere from 5-12 on my list. I'd have to sit down and really think about it to give a precise spot. I mean there's what 300 or so picks in the draft? Being 5th - 12th best isn't a bad place to be. I just personally have a few others ahead of him. I wouldn't take him at 2 with the QBs there. If it's me, and I don't like CJ or Bryce, I'm trading down with any reasonable offer.
I've got Anderson somewhere from 5-12 on my list. I'd have to sit down and really think about it to give a precise spot. I mean there's what 300 or so picks in the draft? Being 5th - 12th best isn't a bad place to be. I just personally have a few others ahead of him. I wouldn't take him at 2 with the QBs there. If it's me, and I don't like CJ or Bryce, I'm trading down with any reasonable offer.
Hottoddie
Veteran
Okay, let's get the attack out of the way first.
That opinion sucks!
Now that that's out of the way, let's take another look at Anderson.
Most draftniks are looking at Anderson as purely a defensive end. I'm of the opinion that his best position in the NFL is at linebacker. At first, I was thinking he'd be a great OLB. But, I'm now thinking he'd be a much better fit at ILB. While Anderson is really strong, he is a little underweight (not by much though) for a traditional DE. Moving him to LB would get him clear of the trash involved in playing directly on the line.
Like I said, he's very strong which will help him deal with TE's & RB's coming across the middle. He has an extremely quick first step & more than enough speed to cover sideline to sideline & run with any TE's or RB's. His quickness would also make him a serious threat to shoot the gaps in the line & disrupt the backfield, leading to sacks & TFL. He's an elite run defender & putting him at ILB would help to fill one of our defense's greatest needs. In my opinion, if we could've stopped teams from running up the middle last year, we could've won at least 3-4 more games easily. He hasn't had a lot of exposure to coverage, but when he has, he looked very good. With DeMeco as his head coach, Anderson could end up being an elite linebacker almost immediately. He also offers the flexibility of putting his hand in the dirt on blitz packages. Could he be as good as Ray Lewis was? I don't know, but it would be an interesting thing to see.
I agree I have zero qualms with the mental side of his game I just wish he had more of the physical aspects to back it up.
Hottoddie
Veteran
I really don't think they are going to take a QB with pick #2. What's the quickest way for DeMeco to show progress with this team? DEFENSE!!! Take Hooker in the 2nd or 3rd round & let him sit/learn/heal for a year.
Okay, let's get the attack out of the way first.
That opinion sucks!
Now that that's out of the way, let's take another look at Anderson.
Most draftniks are looking at Anderson as purely a defensive end. I'm of the opinion that his best position in the NFL is at linebacker. At first, I was thinking he'd be a great OLB. But, I'm now thinking he'd be a much better fit at ILB. While Anderson is really strong, he is a little underweight (not by much though) for a traditional DE. Moving him to LB would get him clear of the trash involved in playing directly on the line.
Like I said, he's very strong which will help him deal with TE's & RB's coming across the middle. He has an extremely quick first step & more than enough speed to cover sideline to sideline & run with any TE's or RB's. His quickness would also make him a serious threat to shoot the gaps in the line & disrupt the backfield, leading to sacks & TFL. He's an elite run defender & putting him at ILB would help to fill one of our defense's greatest needs. In my opinion, if we could've stopped teams from running up the middle last year, we could've won at least 3-4 more games easily. He hasn't had a lot of exposure to coverage, but when he has, he looked very good. With DeMeco as his head coach, Anderson could end up being an elite linebacker almost immediately. He also offers the flexibility of putting his hand in the dirt on blitz packages. Could he be as good as Ray Lewis was? I don't know, but it would be an interesting thing to see.
So in no way or shape Anderson is worth the 2nd pick overall.
Texansphan
Football connoisseur
Who is?
Hottoddie
Veteran
Would you have taken Ray Lewis at the 2nd pick overall?
Jack Burton
Veteran
That’s……interesting.
Jack Burton
Veteran
I don’t think Hooker makes it out of the 1st.
Jack Burton
Veteran
Or Von?
Hottoddie
Veteran
At this point, I just wish the draft would hurry up & get here. I'm tired of guessing. lol
Jack Burton
Veteran
Damn straight.
Not relevant to how football is played 2023
I’m with you. Throw all that crap out the window & get down to the real. Did he win?
The rest is just window dressing.
I think it’s difficult to teach a new OC, a new QB, & a new offense all at the same time.
If I’m DeMeco I want to make sure my 1st time play-caller is not a QB killer before I spend a 1st round pick on a QB.
Granted if an Aaron Rodgers falls below 15 I’m going to find a way to get him. Or a Ben Roethlisberger or Justin Herbert y’know, a wet dream.
Jack Burton
Veteran
This isn’t what a lot of folks want to hear, but I think you are correct.
banned1976
sleeper mode
I would hope DeMeco has more confidence in his OC (and himself) than that.
Texansballer74
The Marine
And he held up pretty darn good physically in the toughest division of college football.
powda
The bridge between stupid and useless is short.
Okay, let's get the attack out of the way first.
That opinion sucks!
Now that that's out of the way, let's take another look at Anderson.
Most draftniks are looking at Anderson as purely a defensive end. I'm of the opinion that his best position in the NFL is at linebacker. At first, I was thinking he'd be a great OLB. But, I'm now thinking he'd be a much better fit at ILB. While Anderson is really strong, he is a little underweight (not by much though) for a traditional DE. Moving him to LB would get him clear of the trash involved in playing directly on the line.
Like I said, he's very strong which will help him deal with TE's & RB's coming across the middle. He has an extremely quick first step & more than enough speed to cover sideline to sideline & run with any TE's or RB's. His quickness would also make him a serious threat to shoot the gaps in the line & disrupt the backfield, leading to sacks & TFL. He's an elite run defender & putting him at ILB would help to fill one of our defense's greatest needs. In my opinion, if we could've stopped teams from running up the middle last year, we could've won at least 3-4 more games easily. He hasn't had a lot of exposure to coverage, but when he has, he looked very good. With DeMeco as his head coach, Anderson could end up being an elite linebacker almost immediately. He also offers the flexibility of putting his hand in the dirt on blitz packages. Could he be as good as Ray Lewis was? I don't know, but it would be an interesting thing to see.
Hate
It.
Speedy
Former Yeller Dweller
That's one opinion. So you're saying draft a QB, don't play him until 2024 where at the end of that season he'd be about to turn 27? That also means they go to war in 2023 with Keenum and/or Mills? Doesn't sound like the quickest way to show progress to me. Of course, if Young goes 1.1 I don't expect a QB taken, at least not at 1.2. So I don't know what the hell they do? Hooker may be what happens but I don't want to burn draft capital to move back into the 1st to get him. If he's there at 2.33, fine.
They really screwed themselves winning that last game. Unless Carolina is just blowing smoke trying to get the Texans to bite.
Like I said above, if Young goes 1.1 I don't expect them to take a QB at 1.2 at all. I really don't think Stroud is an option for them. Could be wrong of course, but just not feeling it. They'll either trade back or take whatever defensive player they like.
ONLY 16 more days til we find out.
Thorn
Dirty Old Man
My prediction is they'll take the Carolina leftovers and claim it to be who they wanted all along. Which might be true, maybe, as if we'll ever know. LOL
We’ll see but the NFL is a different beast and I don’t think it’s gonna work for him. I respect that a lot of people think it will though
Speedy
Former Yeller Dweller
We'll know if Carolina takes Young and the Texans pass on Stroud.
