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2023 TEXANS DRAFT DISCUSSION

OptimisticTexan said:
My guess, Ryans would lean towards bringing a version of the WCO to the Texans. As for Hooker, the recent update I've seen had him being available at the start of NFL camps. They identified his non-contact injury quickly and had it repaired, from what I understand, right around 2 weeks later. He's already been rehabbing the knee....so it could be interesting as to when he's officially ready to go. To be quite honest, I think Hooker's time in the draft will kick off around the Tampa Bay pick at 19, if he's still on the board.

Teams that may not let Hooker slide to pick 33:

19. Tampa Bay
20. Seattle (If they addressed other needs at 5)
23. Baltimore (If they don't close the gap in securing Lamar Jackson)
30. New Orleans

If Texans don't draft a QB at 2....I believe their phone could get really busy before their 12 pick if Hooker, Levis, or Richardson are still on the board. Personally, I wouldn't have an issue with selecting Hooker at #12 if the team has a chance to check on his progress and see the medical charts during the Tennessee Pro Day.
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Since Hooker won't be able to work out at the combine, or even his pro day, I think teams are going to pass on him in the 1st because they will be uncertain about him. After that, I think the only teams that will really be interested in him are the teams that aren't in desperate need of a QB. That's why I think he falls to the 3rd.
 
vtech9 said:
Since Hooker won't be able to work out at the combine, or even his pro day, I think teams are going to pass on him in the 1st because they will be uncertain about him. After that, I think the only teams that will really be interested in him are the teams that aren't in desperate need of a QB. That's why I think he falls to the 3rd.
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vtech9 said:
Since Hooker won't be able to work out at the combine, or even his pro day, I think teams are going to pass on him in the 1st because they will be uncertain about him. After that, I think the only teams that will really be interested in him are the teams that aren't in desperate need of a QB. That's why I think he falls to the 3rd.
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I really don't think the combine trials matter that much to teams wanting a QB - film and interviews do. If they really want to take a close look at a guy, they invite them in to their facilities.
 
Texansphan said:
I really don't think the combine trials matter that much to teams wanting a QB - film and interviews do. If they really want to take a close look at a guy, they invite them in to their facilities.
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I agree for the most part, but teams won't really know how good he will be post injury, so they will be more hesitant. The first time they will really get to see what he's capable of will be at the start of the season, and by that time, the draft will be long gone.
 
steelbtexan said:
I have my own point of view on Levis. He's got Herbert type talent, but hasn't developed properly due to poor talent around him and playing in the SEC. Even then he was the QB that won 10 and 7 games the last 2 years. That's unheard of at Kentucky. With this said any team that drafts him is betting on developing that talent. He really needs to be developed like Mahomes was and sit for a year.

I would feel much better if Kubiak made the decision to draft Levis and helped Klint develop Levis.
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I agree that he didn't have the best talent or OL. And he seems like he didn't have the best coaching. I really think he is going to be special. However, if he doesn't get to sit and learn and have a good OC & QB coach he may never be what he could. Now if we have a good staff and bring in a Jimmy G or something on a 1yr or 2yr deal then I would like to have him. Only one issue on a FA QB to let him sit and learn. It can't be a QB who is injured often. Otherwise, he would be in the mix before he is ready most likely. Richardson is similar, but I don't know if he can really get everything he has together. He has a great arm, not scared of a pass rush, can read a D, make every throw and more. Issue is is his head in it? When you watch film he is looking past the coaches and doesn't seem to be listening. Then he will go and make some dumb decisions and waste his ability. He is top 2 in raw talent but putting it together in a game (and full season)is something that he hasn't done yet.
 
badboy said:
Here's some thoughts...

Colts trade up for Young? He's too short but.. if Colts think he could be franchise ? Same with some thinking Raiders or Panthers trading up for Young.. isn't he too short?

Colts trade up for Stroud? If most think Young first QB taken why not wait and get Stroud or.. save on offer by trading with Arizona?

I think Bears concerned with trading to 4 as Houston might take Anderson and Arizona Carter. I would be okay with that if i were Bears as I'd take Tyree and the trade package.. just not sure Bears would be ok with perception of losing top two D guys.
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I've been thinking pretty much the same thing.
The Bears could possibly miss the top two defensive prospects but only trading down with Indy.
They might think it's worth the risk, but the risk is there even if minimal.

They'd almost certainly lose out on Will Anderson.
 
SnakeEyes said:
I agree that he didn't have the best talent or OL. And he seems like he didn't have the best coaching. I really think he is going to be special. However, if he doesn't get to sit and learn and have a good OC & QB coach he may never be what he could. Now if we have a good staff and bring in a Jimmy G or something on a 1yr or 2yr deal then I would like to have him. Only one issue on a FA QB to let him sit and learn. It can't be a QB who is injured often. Otherwise, he would be in the mix before he is ready most likely. Richardson is similar, but I don't know if he can really get everything he has together. He has a great arm, not scared of a pass rush, can read a D, make every throw and more. Issue is is his head in it? When you watch film he is looking past the coaches and doesn't seem to be listening. Then he will go and make some dumb decisions and waste his ability. He is top 2 in raw talent but putting it together in a game (and full season)is something that he hasn't done yet.
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Levis needs to sit and learn for at least one year, and Richardson would probably be best served by sitting for two years. Levis has the strongest arm, and probably the quickest release, and if he is given the time to develop, he could be special. However, he isn't there yet, so I wouldn't take him until late in the 1st round at the earliest. Richardson is just too raw for me right now. He has a lot of potential, but he has a lot of bust potential as well. I couldn't see taking him until the 2nd round.
 
After some thought, I hope the Bears trade out of #1 and Young is the 1.1 pick.
I'll take Will Anderson.

My personal belief is that a legitimate and consistent pass rusher, combined with DeMeco's scheme can result in a quite significant improvement for the defense.
Also factoring in to the improvement will be last year's defensive draft picks improving in their second year.
A couple of defensive free agent signings and they can easily be a middle of the pack defense, which isn't great but would be a notable improvement
 
badboy said:
Here's some thoughts...

Colts trade up for Young? He's too short but.. if Colts think he could be franchise 🤔? Same with some thinking Raiders or Panthers trading up for Young.. isn't he too short?

Colts trade up for Stroud? If most think Young first QB taken why not wait and get Stroud or.. save on offer by trading with Arizona?

I think Bears concerned with trading to 4 as Houston might take Anderson and Arizona Carter. I would be okay with that if i were Bears as I'd take Tyree and the trade package.. just not sure Bears would be ok with perception of losing top two D guys.
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My thoughts, if you're stuck on the "too short" argument, you're missing the point. It's his frame, height + weight. He's not built to last in the NFL. If the Colts want to trade up & get him, that's fine. They also thought Wentz & Ryans could get them to the big dance, so...

As far as Stroud, or even Levis. If the Texans drafts either of them at 1.2, I can understand. It's not my preference. But I won't be as upset.
 
michaelm said:
After some thought, I hope the Bears trade out of #1 and Young is the 1.1 pick.
I'll take Will Anderson.

My personal belief is that a legitimate and consistent pass rusher, combined with DeMeco's scheme can result in a quite significant improvement for the defense.
Also factoring in to the improvement will be last year's defensive draft picks improving in their second year.
A couple of defensive free agent signings and they can easily be a middle of the pack defense, which isn't great but would be a notable improvement
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Draft Will Anderson and Daylan Henley.

Sign Zach Allen and Jimmy Ward in FA and the defense will be much improved.
 
vtech9 said:
Since Hooker won't be able to work out at the combine, or even his pro day, I think teams are going to pass on him in the 1st because they will be uncertain about him. After that, I think the only teams that will really be interested in him are the teams that aren't in desperate need of a QB. That's why I think he falls to the 3rd.
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I can see this as I can see what Optimist is thinking. This is the concern I mentioned about waiting to fill your position later in draft. If we had missed on Pitre there were other safeties not so much with QB.
 
thunderkyss said:
My thoughts, if you're stuck on the "too short" argument, you're missing the point. It's his frame, height + weight. He's not built to last in the NFL. If the Colts want to trade up & get him, that's fine. They also thought Wentz & Ryans could get them to the big dance, so...

As far as Stroud, or even Levis. If the Texans drafts either of them at 1.2, I can understand. It's not my preference. But I won't be as upset.
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Yes, this is why I don't want Young.
 
thunderkyss said:
My thoughts, if you're stuck on the "too short" argument, you're missing the point. It's his frame, height + weight. He's not built to last in the NFL. If the Colts want to trade up & get him, that's fine. They also thought Wentz & Ryans could get them to the big dance, so...

As far as Stroud, or even Levis. If the Texans drafts either of them at 1.2, I can understand. It's not my preference. But I won't be as upset.
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My post stands as the point is if he is not 'built to last in NFL' why are so many teams allegedly interested in him? You think the only reason Colts didn't go farther was Wentz and Ryans? I seem to remember someone named Reich getting terminated. IIRC questions about GM also.
 
badboy said:
I can see this as I can see what Optimist is thinking. This is the concern I mentioned about waiting to fill your position later in draft. If we had missed on Pitre there were other safeties not so much with QB.
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But, there are QB's later in the draft. They played for teams that weren't very good, so there are more questions about them. With a good QB Coach, Clayton Tune might turn out to be a pretty damned good QB. Jake Haener already has a nice arm, but he hasn't had the talent around him to be a star. Can he be a spot starter, long term backup in the NFL? I think he can. There are others with talent that just need a good QB coach to teach them how to be NFL QB's
 
badboy said:
My post stands as the point is if he is not 'built to last in NFL' why are so many teams allegedly interested in him? You think the only reason Colts didn't go farther was Wentz and Ryans? I seem to remember someone named Reich getting terminated. IIRC questions about GM also.
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Again, I recall Teddy Bridgewater & Geno Smith. We don't know what teams are really thinking until draft day. You can't believe what the talking heads are saying. They're generating clicks.
 
thunderkyss said:
Again, I recall Teddy Bridgewater & Geno Smith. We don't know what teams are really thinking until draft day. You can't believe what the talking heads are saying. They're generating clicks.
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Well of course we do not know what's going on but that's what we are here to discuss. It's the same thing with who's going to be head Coaches or coordinators. Your last two sentences would suggest no one should Participate in Texans Talk?
 
badboy said:
Well of course we do not know what's going on but that's what we are here to discuss. It's the same thing with who's going to be head Coaches or coordinators. Your last two sentences would suggest no one should Participate in Texans Talk?
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Not at all. We can discuss. Let's discuss. But if you're going to use

badboy said:
Colts trade up for Young? He's too short but.. if Colts think he could be franchise 🤔? Same with some thinking Raiders or Panthers trading up for Young.. isn't he too short?
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Then I'm going to say, "nobody knows what the teams are going to do on draft day."
 
steelbtexan said:
2 totally different positions.

Skill sets and everybody knows QB's take more hits from bigger guys.
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By and large yes a QB is in an unprotected situation when they get hit. So, which some WRs and RBs do get hit just as hard or harder...most of the time they are expecting contact
 
SnakeEyes said:
By and large yes a QB is in an unprotected situation when they get hit. So, which some WRs and RBs do get hit just as hard or harder...most of the time they are expecting contact
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Earnest Givens found a way to survive in a time when going across the middle meant making business decisions. Hyatt will be fine.
 
vtech9 said:
Since Hooker won't be able to work out at the combine, or even his pro day, I think teams are going to pass on him in the 1st because they will be uncertain about him. After that, I think the only teams that will really be interested in him are the teams that aren't in desperate need of a QB. That's why I think he falls to the 3rd.
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Not sure if posted:
atozsports.com

Peyton Manning gives his thoughts on Hendon Hooker ahead of the 2023 NFL Draft

A to Z Sports is your place for NFL news, opinion, analysis and reaction. Covering 13 of the NFL's 32 teams and more. Vols QB Peyton Manning
atozsports.com atozsports.com
 
Texansphan said:
There are two teams I think will be extremely interested in Richardson - Carolina and Baltimore. If Panthers can't find funds for a monster move up to #1, they may attempt a move up to #2 or more probably #3. Baltimore may be in that mix too.
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I think if panthers want Richardson they will risk remaining at number 9 and getting him there.
Of course, for right offer i would readily trade with them. 🙃
 
badboy said:
Not sure if posted:
atozsports.com

Peyton Manning gives his thoughts on Hendon Hooker ahead of the 2023 NFL Draft

A to Z Sports is your place for NFL news, opinion, analysis and reaction. Covering 13 of the NFL's 32 teams and more. Vols QB Peyton Manning
atozsports.com atozsports.com
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That injury really hurt his draft stock.
Such a shame. Still, if you can get him at the top of the second round, you can let him sit for a year - but then you wouldn't take a QB in '24 and he'll be a 26 y.o. rookie.
 
Texansphan said:
That injury really hurt his draft stock.
Such a shame. Still, if you can get him at the top of the second round, you can let him sit for a year - but then you wouldn't take a QB in '24 and he'll be a 26 y.o. rookie.
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Tough for him but maybe good for Houston. He meets most NFL requirements and like ALL college guys needs to get better with better instruction. Remains to be seen if Texans will have that or him or any QB in draft 23.
 
SnakeEyes said:
I saw this in a few mock drafts. Kid runs a 4.29 est. and can catch. Downside is he is still raw with route tree stuff.

The Draft Network

TDN
thedraftnetwork.com thedraftnetwork.com
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I’d pay AJ to come in as a WR Consultant, so he could work with the WR Coach in educating Hyatt on how to become a complete NFL WR sooner rather than later.
 
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badboy said:
FWIW, https://www.ohbets.com/most-injury-prone-nfl-teams/#:~:text=Most-Injured NFL Positions&text=Looking at data from the,to their knee and ankle.
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I think they need to breakdown the positional injuries in a different way. Teams play 3 or 4 WRs at a time a lot. So yeah, they will have more injuries. Also teams play a lot of CBs and linebackers.

Just looking at these numbers, it tells me the more a player moves, the more likely he will be injured. Linemen move short distances in comparison to other positions, and they're not represented on the list. I'd like to see a breakdown on QBs. My guess would be that the more a QB moves, the more likely he will be injured.
 
thunderkyss said:
I really don't understand that. ACLs are pretty common now. & many QBs have come back from ACLs successfully. Watson tore his ACL twice.
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He will need to heal properly before you put his feet to the fire and teams that need a QB may not want to wait - that is the biggest thing that hurts his stock.
 
Lucky said:
I think they need to breakdown the positional injuries in a different way. Teams play 3 or 4 WRs at a time a lot. So yeah, they will have more injuries. Also teams play a lot of CBs and linebackers.

Just looking at these numbers, it tells me the more a player moves, the more likely he will be injured. Linemen move short distances in comparison to other positions, and they're not represented on the list. I'd like to see a breakdown on QBs. My guess would be that the more a QB moves, the more likely he will be injured.
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Fact. However, nobody who wants Young is going to agree with this. A smaller person is also higher risk of injury. They have smaller bones and less muscle mass. And I'll be honest, I am far from a Young fan. I watched multiple games and I found myself saying "great catch" over "great throw" by a huge margin. He had basically an all college team he played with. Quickly he will find out that the NFL is faster, stronger, bigger and more violent. And I will be surprised if he is injury free over his 1st year of starting. Not just playing, BUT starting all 17 games
 
JB said:
They may find themselves in the same situation the Texans did in 2006 & 2014, but I don't think so. But that SI article I posted alluded to that
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Why were the Bears so eager to tank in week 18? It wasn't because they were dreaming of taking a pass rusher #1 overall. I don't know everything. Like, I can't tell you why Pete Davidson pulls so many smoking hot babes. I don't understand this. I just know Da Bears are moving the pick.
 
Lucky said:
Why were the Bears so eager to tank in week 18? It wasn't because they were dreaming of taking a pass rusher #1 overall. I don't know everything. Like, I can't tell you why Pete Davidson pulls so many smoking hot babes. I don't understand this. I just know Da Bears are moving the pick.
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I agree they will move the pick if they can. I don't know the GM there but surely he won't overprice the pick ala RS
 
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