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2023 TEXANS DRAFT DISCUSSION

Rumps02 said:
Levis could be Josh Allen 2.0. All the physical traits with the uninspiring numbers in college to back it up.

We could trade out of 2 or trade up from 12 to get him and get our edge rusher for the other pick.

The question becomes what other teams need a QB that have the personnel to make a deep playoff run now with a Carr, Garappolo, Geno Smith, or Lamar Jackson versus a taking a chance on Stroud or Young. Here is how I see it.

Teams in top 16 of the draft that need to win now and don’t want to start rookie QB process over:

Washington
Las Vegas
NY Jets
Seattle
New England
Green Bay

Teams willing to move up to take BY or Stroud at #1

Indy
Carolina
Maybe Seattle???

My prediction is Stroud and BY are gone by top 4 no matter how you slice it. So where does Levis get taken? I have questions about all 3 QBs but Levis is the one that intrigues me the most because a guy like Gannon can do wonders with him.

I’m on the Levis train.


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All indications I see after the weekend loss, Seattle will extend Geno.
 
Lucky said:
Levis has outstanding tools, but not Josh Allen tools. Allen had one of the greatest set of tools (Size, speed, arm strength) to ever enter the NFL. Elway, Newton, Vick...maybe Terry Bradshaw back in the day. I would put Levis tools on the David Carr level. Actually, Carr is a pretty good comp for Levis, now that I think about it. And Carr did go #1 overall.
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Except Levis appears to love the game and puts the game 1st. plus he doesn't have Roger Carr as his dad.

Levis does have the best set of tools of any QB in this draft. It's just up to the next HC/staff to develop those tools if Levis is the Texans pick.
 
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steelbtexan said:
Except Levi's appears to love the game and puts the game 1st. plus he doesn't have Roger Carr as his dad.

Levis does have the best set of tools of any QB in this draft. It's just up to the next HC/staff to develop those tools of Levis is the Texans pick.
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I'm just talking tools like size and arm strength. Carr had a much better senior season. Levis played 2 years in the SEC. This is a stronger QB class than 2002, also.
 
Very happy to see Stroud join the fray. We are now guaranteed one of the two. To me, Young is the best QB in this draft due to his intangibles. That gives an edge on Stroud but not by a lot. Both of these guys have all the tools needed to be top tier QB’s.

My next two are Levis and Richardson. Both have the tools to be special but much more raw and both are riskier. Levis could be a beast or he could flame out. Give me Stroud or Young and let’s roll!
 
Not being a follower of college football, but I watched the Georgia Bulldogs’ games against Ohio and TCU. Why is Bennett not part of the QB discussions? Is he not a viable option and if not, why? Thanks for the input.
 
Texan Asylum said:
Not being a follower of college football, but I watched the Georgia Bulldogs’ games against Ohio and TCU. Why is Bennett not part of the QB discussions? Is he not a viable option and if not, why? Thanks for the input.
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Because the talking heads and media have decided he is a college QB only. IMO I think the NFL will see him differently.
 
Porky said:
Very happy to see Stroud join the fray. We are now guaranteed one of the two. To me, Young is the best QB in this draft due to his intangibles. That gives an edge on Stroud but not by a lot. Both of these guys have all the tools needed to be top tier QB’s.

My next two are Levis and Richardson. Both have the tools to be special but much more raw and both are riskier. Levis could be a beast or he could flame out. Give me Stroud or Young and let’s roll!
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Tangibles Stroud is the guy. Intangibles Young is the guy.
 
If we can gain another first round pick + I'd trade #2.

We're a lot further away than a QB. But I know I have more faith in Mills than some here.

E E DT Ctr LB's WR will help this team more. And they will be available to us. In Caserio I trust.

I think there are some good G & T in the mid rounds. New coaching should improve those now on the roster.

Maybe not justified, but I feel more encouraged than I have in recent memory.idonno:

Get Duggan late. He can do what Driskel has been doing, and do it better.

:coffee:
 
cuppacoffee said:
If we can gain another first round pick + I'd trade #2.

We're a lot further away than a QB. But I know I have more faith in Mills than some here.

E E DT Ctr LB's WR will help this team more. And they will be available to us. In Caserio I trust.

I think there are some good G & T in the mid rounds. New coaching should improve those now on the roster.

Maybe not justified, but I feel more encouraged than I have in recent memory.idonno:

Get Duggan late. He can do what Driskel has been doing, and do it better.

:coffee:
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If Indy trades up for Stroud, will the Seahawks trade up for Young? Should be a good fit. I'd do it for a one plus. Will Levis drop to #20. I doubt it. #5 may be too high. I'd maybe go defense at #5, Levis at #12 and then WR at #20. Will Levis be there at #12?
 
Number19 said:
If Indy trades up for Stroud, will the Seahawks trade up for Young? Should be a good fit. I'd do it for a one plus. Will Levis drop to #20. I doubt it. #5 may be too high. I'd maybe go defense at #5, Levis at #12 and then WR at #20. Will Levis be there at #12?
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I really don't want to spend early for a qb. I think Mills will improve under different coaching.

I like several wr's in this draft. Feel that E and LB are a must have.

Most here also want a C. I'm sure you already knew all this. :D

I am so looking forward to the draft.

:coffee:
 
Number19 said:
If Indy trades up for Stroud, will the Seahawks trade up for Young? Should be a good fit. I'd do it for a one plus. Will Levis drop to #20. I doubt it. #5 may be too high. I'd maybe go defense at #5, Levis at #12 and then WR at #20. Will Levis be there at #12?
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Dropping to 5 and missing on Stroud or Young I want more than just 20. Both round two's and maybe more. If Seattle keeps Geno they may trade for Anderson. I think Bears want Jalen Carter.
 
cuppacoffee said:
I really don't want to spend early for a qb. I think Mills will improve under different coaching.

I like several wr's in this draft. Feel that E and LB are a must have.

Most here also want a C. I'm sure you already knew all this. :D

I am so looking forward to the draft.

:coffee:
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I agree about Mills. But we need another QB and I think a Mills/Levis competition in training camp would be productive.
 
What do you college heads think about this whole "CJ Stroud" "not a winner" "crumbles under pressure and big games" sentiment? Is it bullshit? I don't know anything about him or why that sentiment exists but I've seen enough bits and pieces about it to be curious. I think I heard that headed into the Michigan game a few weeks back. Is that something that exists?

Whats his drive, motor, and IQ like? If it does exist, do "lack of" those 3 things contribute or is that not part of any equation for this guy?


I watched some 10 minute video about Levis on YouTube and came away impressed. It seems like he makes mistakes and that would drive me crazy but lot of players learn situational awareness as they play more. Hard to argue the size and strength. His footwork looks really good too.

Are the DL/OL prospects up at the top of the draft at all JJ/Donald/Hutchinson/Bosas etc-types?
 
TheMatrix31 said:
What do you college heads think about this whole "CJ Stroud" "not a winner" "crumbles under pressure and big games" sentiment? Is it bullshit? I don't know anything about him or why that sentiment exists but I've seen enough bits and pieces about it to be curious. I think I heard that headed into the Michigan game a few weeks back. Is that something that exists?

Whats his drive, motor, and IQ like? If it does exist, do "lack of" those 3 things contribute or is that not part of any equation for this guy?


I watched some 10 minute video about Levis on YouTube and came away impressed. It seems like he makes mistakes and that would drive me crazy but lot of players learn situational awareness as they play more. Hard to argue the size and strength. His footwork looks really good too.

Are the DL/OL prospects up at the top of the draft at all JJ/Donald/Hutchinson/Bosas etc-types?
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Did you go watch any videos of Stroud?

I haven’t heard none of that negative stuff. Where did you hear that at?
 
Mangler said:
Nobody is crazy enough to give that up. Might as well trade with the Texans for a little less than that, assuming the Texans don’t want either of the “top two” QBs in the upcoming draft since we’re more than just a QB away.
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Unless you don't have a first round pick in this one. Even then it is steep.
 
Texian said:
Because the talking heads and media have decided he is a college QB only. IMO I think the NFL will see him differently.
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There's more to it than that. He has the same size concerns as Young, and since Bennett likes to run a fair bit more than Young those concerns carry more impact. Benett is also older than 3 of the 4 QBs who played last Saturday (Super Wildcard weekend). He'll get drafted, day three more than likely, and has a shot, but nobody thinks he's a round 1 guy.
 
Lucky said:
I'm just talking tools like size and arm strength. Carr had a much better senior season. Levis played 2 years in the SEC. This is a stronger QBclass than 2002, also.
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Carr got those numbers playing San Jose St. of the world.
 
Errant Hothy said:
There's more to it than that. He has the same size concerns as Young, and since Bennett likes to run a fair bit more than Young those concerns carry more impact. Benett is also older than 3 of the 4 QBs who played last Saturday (Super Wildcard weekend). He'll get drafted, day three more than likely, and has a shot, but nobody thinks he's a round 1 guy.
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Bennett is close to 2" taller than Young.
 
Texian said:
Bennett is close to 2" taller than Young.
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Going off of listed heights (for all they are worth) Young is an inch taller than Bennett. The Combine will reveal all but I doubt there is a 2" difference in their heights.

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Mangler said:
Nobody is crazy enough to give that up. Might as well trade with the Texans for a little less than that, assuming the Texans don’t want either of the “top two” QBs in the upcoming draft since we’re more than just a QB away.
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If we sign Payton as HC, will he want a QB at #2? Gannon? These two will likely be adamant on what they want. If it's a younger hire, NC may have more input.
 
Number19 said:
I agree about Mills. But we need another QB and I think a Mills/Levis competition in training camp would be productive.
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I agree we need another/different backup qb.

I think an innovative coach could find ways to use Duggan.

This same coach should be able to determine if Mills is the future.

I don't think the last two years were as productive as they could have been.

Our new coach may want to take a flyer on Levis or some other qb. No problem with that either.

I'm trying to temper my enthusiasm. Last time I felt this way was when we hired B OB. :rake:

:coffee:
 
cuppacoffee said:
I agree we need another/different backup qb.

I think an innovative coach could find ways to use Duggan.

This same coach should be able to determine if Mills is the future.

I don't think the last two years were as productive as they could have been.

Our new coach may want to take a flyer on Levis or some other qb. No problem with that either.

I'm trying to temper my enthusiasm. Last time I felt this way was when we hired B OB. :rake:

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I think Duggan could be an effective number two QB. I like his moxy, but I don't think he is seen as a starter and I think a starter is what a new HC, and NC, will be evaluating a QB as. As the two year starter, Mills be given one final training camp to prove himself, competing for the starter spot with whom ever the draft pick may be.
 
Number19 said:
I think Duggan could be an effective number two QB. I like his moxy, but I don't think he is seen as a starter and I think a starter is what a new HC, and NC, will be evaluating a QB as. As the two year starter, Mills be given one final training camp to prove himself, competing for the starter spot with whom ever the draft pick may be.
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Fair enough.

No problem with that assessment.

:coffee:
 
The athletic has Texans drafting: Levis

Houston Texans : #2 : Will Levis


Obviously, this selection will be heavily influenced by the Texans’ new hire at head coach. It wouldn’t be a surprise, however, if Houston’s key decision-makers wind up with Will Levis atop their draft board. The Kentucky passer is built for the NFL game and checks numerous boxes with his size, mobility, arm strength, intelligence and competitive toughness.
Levis didn’t have the senior season many expected, with a new play caller and a subpar supporting cast compared to the previous year. Some evaluators will say those are excuses; others see it more as an explanation. Regardless, the traits — both physical and mental — are impressive and will lead several NFL teams to believe he is QB1 in this class.
 
Number19 said:
I think Duggan could be an effective number two QB. I like his moxy, but I don't think he is seen as a starter and I think a starter is what a new HC, and NC, will be evaluating a QB as. As the two year starter, Mills be given one final training camp to prove himself, competing for the starter spot with whom ever the draft pick may be.
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There is no competition. Whoever is drafted in the 1st round is the starter. Period. Now...that doesn't mean they don't roll Mills out there to start the year. That's a bit different. Let the kid watch for a bit is fine. That doesn't mean Mills won a damn thing other than to be the placeholder for a few games.
 
Porky said:
There is no competition. Whoever is drafted in the 1st round is the starter. Period. Now...that doesn't mean they don't roll Mills out there to start the year. That's a bit different. Let the kid watch for a bit is fine. That doesn't mean Mills won a damn thing other than to be the placeholder for a few games.
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Every one here has their own opinion, apparently that's yours. It's just another opinion.

I'm thinking / hoping the first two picks are defensive players. E (Will Anderson Jr) LB (Sewell or Simpson).

I am sure both of them would be day 1 starters, not too sure either one of them would start at QB though. :D

:coffee:
 
Spurs21TexanS said:
The athletic has Texans drafting: Levis

Houston Texans : #2 : Will Levis
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Levis, then Clemson DT Bryan Bresee at #12? Good grief. There's no way the Texans will draft that badly.

Edit: Then they have the Texans taking tiny Tar Heel WR Josh Downs in the 2nd.
 
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SnakeEyes said:
Not been hearing anything negative about Stroud. Yes, I have heard the typical pro/con on ability. But nothing negative about character or anything like that.
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I was asking old buddy since he brought it up. I was wondering what did he hear and who said it. Snake I’m checking things out everyday and I haven’t heard anyone say he’s not a winner and or crumbles under pressure. Yes he has his weakness just every player out there.
Another thing is I heard several people say Levis is not good under pressure and he struggles with reading defenses.

Don’t get me wrong here but I like Levis too and I wouldn’t have a problem if we drafted him. He has a great upside just like Stroud and Young.
I just found it pretty interesting how he threw out the negatives on Stroud and didn’t hear any on Levis.
 
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Texansballer74 said:
Did you go watch any videos of Stroud?

I haven’t heard none of that negative stuff. Where did you hear that at?
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I watched a video of him on YouTube by some guy AZ Draft Room or something. Talked about his physical tools but how he doesn't progress through reads, etc. I wasn't too impressed and a few things talked about turned me off or worried me re: my ideal QB. Nothing about his competitive ability or anything. I honestly couldn't pinpoint anywhere I've read or gathered this sentiment but it's been over the last couple months. That's why I was asking further, haha.
 
Texansballer74 said:
I was asking old buddy since he brought it up. I was wondering what did hear and who said it. Snake I’m checking things out everyday and I haven’t heard anyone say he’s not a winner and or crumbles under pressure. Yes he has his weakness just every player out there.
Another thing is I heard several people say Levis is not good under pressure and he struggles with reading defenses.

Don’t get me wrong here but I like Levis too and I wouldn’t have a problem if we drafted him. He has a great upside just like Stroud and Young.
I just found it pretty interesting how he threw out the negatives on Stroud and didn’t hear any on Levis.
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Some of us watched him in games like Northwestern, Michigan and I forgot the third, he looked below average. Would not use his legs, confused, ineffective for 3 quarters... Against the best team he faced, kid showed out in the playoffs. So I think what you are hearing is where was he in some of these other games, then boom, nothing to critique him on in a excellent game against vaunted Georgia. I could accept him as the pick now as I have seen him use all his tools when it counted, heck, maybe he was nursing some injuries or his coaches told him to save the other stuff until playoffs.
 
Rich Schmidt said:
Some of us watched him in games like Northwestern, Michigan and I forgot the third, he looked below average. Would not use his legs, confused, ineffective for 3 quarters... Against the best team he faced, kid showed out in the playoffs. So I think what you are hearing is where was he in some of these other games, then boom, nothing to critique him on in a excellent game against vaunted Georgia. I could accept him as the pick now as I have seen him use all his tools when it counted, heck, maybe he was nursing some injuries or his coaches told him to save the other stuff until playoffs.
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Just a guess but he seems like he wanted to learn to throw from the pocket first before he had to rely on his scrambling.
 
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