Or he could be inconsistent and just sucked in those games.
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2023 TEXANS DRAFT DISCUSSION
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Texansballer74
The Marine
Good point and post.
I watched those games too. The Northwestern game the weather was very bad. He struggled in those other two games for sure. But that’s part of the game as well. It’s also about how you bounce back from those type of games. And he did pretty good with that Rich.
Texansballer74
The Marine
Every freaking quarterback has games in which they were inconsistent and just sucked in those games. Even the GOAT has had his freaking share of games like that. The great Mahomas had games like that in college too.
Lol you’re starting way too soon with the hate.
Rich Schmidt
Myopicone
I find myself focused on other things and not all in on Texans or at past levels of excitement and research. Coaches, ho hum, I am not in the room so just gut feel ok with the list and like the Gannon team or offensive minds in Steichen/Payton/Kafka. Worried that Ryans is riding on all pro talent he took over. Whoever, just better than what we have. QB's, crap shoot, pick one and let's see if we have the coaches to get their talent out. I have placed myself on the prove it and win me back train. I have to say I was gonna get more into college ball because my kids are Aggies and all in, then I watched that putrid ball and wondered why we are all cursed
Texansphan
Football connoisseur
I doubt it.
The poster was basically saying that Stroud had it pretty good in college with good receivers to throw to.
I was saying he will have that in the NFL as well.
No hate here.
If Goff is good enough for some, then so be it. I'm looking for better out of 1-2.
Texansballer74
The Marine
Lol this young man’s game is not comparable to Goff. You’re starting up a a negative narrative because you doesn’t like his agent. And we all know how you’re going to act around here if we draft him.
Goff was a good prospect coming out of college. He didn’t have the success most expected coming out of college. He’s a different guy now than he was then.
To me, saying he’s like Goff is saying Stroud is worthy of a top 5 pick. Wanting to stay away from him because of the agent has nothing to do with the player & says more about the person saying it. I wouldn’t waste my time with such conversations
I happen to think Goff is pretty good, top 15 good. So I dont look for Stroud to be a bad QB, he's just not what I'm looking for if I'm spending pick 1-2.
Tell me what's the difference in Goff/Stroud's games that gives Stroud a higher upside than Goff.
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The Pencil Neck
Hall of Fame
How are the Titans not better?
Granted, they got Conklin, Henry, and Byard... but the rest of those 2016/2017 draft choices were not great.
Titans not better probably because QB play over that time frame. Still had a overall solid to roster since then.
This all day, every day.
I'd personally rather see them pick best player instead of getting a QB just to market getting a QB.
Make the rest of the team so attractive and competitive that finding a QB in FA or the draft is easier due to appeal.
If we can gain another first round pick + I'd trade #2.
We're a lot further away than a QB. But I know I have more faith in Mills than some here.
E E DT Ctr LB's WR will help this team more. And they will be available to us. In Caserio I trust.
I think there are some good G & T in the mid rounds. New coaching should improve those now on the roster.
Maybe not justified, but I feel more encouraged than I have in recent memory.
Get Duggan late. He can do what Driskel has been doing, and do it better.
I like this approach. I think coaching makes a huge impact, so focus on getting the best staff and pick best player in the draft. This team has so many needs that a BPA approach fills each hole with potentially elite talent.
Getting a rookie QB and making him start is just David Carr 2.0. This team needs a lot more talent first, IMO.
Texansphan
Football connoisseur
Some of these 3rd and 4th year guys seem to be playing better this year. Maybe they just needed more time and/or a different system and/or coach.
Hell, even Geno Smith is having an okay season - then again, he really hasn't had much time as a starter.
Errant Hothy
Hypermediocrity
I'm not sure very bad is enough to describe the weather for the Northwestern game. Heavy rain and near-constant winds at 25mph is just damn near impossible weather for a QB.
Who even scouts a QB in those conditions? I'd bet money scouts won't even look at that tape.
banned1976
sleeper mode
Until I know the head coach, what Houston does at #2 is a mystery to me. If they draft a quarterback, which I hope they don't, they might as well go all in and draft a security blanket for him. Either Q Johnston (6'4'', 210 lbs) or TE Michael Mayer. I'd prefer Mayer because not only is he a polished receiver, he's an elite blocker at the position. The Texans have undervalued the TE long enough.
Texansphan
Football connoisseur
^^^This^^^
So to be clear, you don't see a QB in this draft worthy of a 1st round pick, or you don't see a QB in this draft worthy of a top 5 pick?
True, I'm looking for a Goff type guy in 3-4 yrs. That kind of thinking leads to mediocrity. But hey, some here only want to be entertained and they will win more games with Stroud/Yong etc... at QB. I personally found the RS/Kubiak/Schaub yrs to be more frustrating than entertaining, but I guess to each their own.
SnakeEyes
Under NRG
Isn't that the guy who went to a college in Michigan? Maybe it is Pennsylvania. Either way, that's Big 10 country and as much as I am a Michigan guy, I am not going to listen to any scouting reports on Stroud if the guy went to school in the Big 10 area. Let me have an SEC guy do the breakdown.
SnakeEyes
Under NRG
I see 2 who could be top 10
Stroud, Levis and a few who are risky. Note I don't have Young as a top 2. Reason, looking at more film and pictures. I am thinking he is 5' 9 and change and the scouting reports I have seen all have a list of things that are not fixed very quickly. Add in the shotgun he tends to play out of and just not high on him.
SnakeEyes
Under NRG
Interesting draft...and I actually like it
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The Bears unload their No. 1 overall pick, while Ron Rivera's team gets a QB with enormous natural talent
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Maybe he is closer to the camera- old fisherman’s trick
SnakeEyes
Under NRG
Pretty cool draft simulation, but it doesn't grade you.
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Decim8
Veteran
Don’t a majority of the QBs these days play out of the shot gun?
Youngs poise and movement in the pocket is what impresses me the most
Unfortunately, his recent statements do not give me confidence that he's learning. Now he's going to be even more involved, and he's going to bring along his "ride or die" partner who is just as unqualified to make football decisions.
To be clear, I'm not a talent evaluator and I don't play one on the internet. That's way above my pay grade.
As a fan, I just want to see them pick the best talent available instead of reaching for someone or trying to fill a marketing need.
That said, I think it will be a mistake to pick Bryce Young and expect the Houston Texans to somehow overcome all historical data concerning physically small QBs. I can already anticipate how that will ultimately turn out as a Texans fan.
Texansballer74
The Marine
agreed
Hey Geno had a really good season. His best season by far. 4282 yards 30 touchdowns and only 11 interceptions.
banned1976
sleeper mode
Last year the popular pick at #3 was Sauce Gardner, they went with Stingley. This year most mocks have the Texans drafting Young, maybe they will once again surprise the experts. It seems so easy. Pick Carter or Anderson. Those are the safe picks, IMHO. But the Texans make things so difficult. The easy, safe pick last year at #3 Sauce Gardner.
Never underestimate the Texans' ability to go waaayyyy out in left field and do something stupid. I started this post feeling optimistic, but now I'm sure they're going to piss me off.
Number19
Hall of Fame
So let me be clear I understand. You do not want the HC to draft a player he wants? We're about to sign a new HC. Should it be made clear in the interview process that NC will make all draft decisions?
TheMatrix31
Hall of Fame
I have no idea haha.
SnakeEyes
Under NRG
You are aware that he has been criticized for not being poised and having bad pocket awareness. That was 2 huge things last season they said he needed to work on. Watching film, I don't think he has improved his level of poise when the pocket gets dirty. He also has a knack for locking onto a WR if he is rattled...and yes he gets rattled. Which is a behavior that can be helped but likely never cured
Decim8
Veteran
Really? Cause Every time i read up on him they say his poise and pocket awareness is his greatest strength. If he was 6 foot something he be the unanimous number 1 overall pick
Number19
Hall of Fame
Did everyone catch, over in the Bryce Young vs CJ Stroud thread, the comment by Todd McShay, who said that Young had told him at the Mississippi State game, October 22, that he weighed 296 pounds and intended to be over 200 pounds by his pro day and the combine. Four months in a training room and a good diet, very achievable.
SnakeEyes
Under NRG
Still not going to cover the flaws in his game and the fact he might not be 5' 10...5' 9-something
Number19
Hall of Fame
We'll see. But unless everyone has been lying since Young's high school days, he was 5'11" his senior year, give or take a rounding up or down of a fraction. And he's grown, not unusual, in the three years since.
He's going to surprise and come in at 6'0" and 200 lbs.
I wouldn't be surprised if he ate a bunch of cheeseburgers and weighs 205.
Doesn't mean anything to me, he's a small framed guy.
If Caserio's Job is on the line I could see him trading down and drafting a guy like Wilson and then drafting a WR. Then picking IKA at 2-32. In the 3rd the best Center and lb.
SnakeEyes
Under NRG
Exactly!! Why is it that people think if you weigh more you must be huge. There are a few different types of bone structures and his is small or... Here please read and understand. Weight is NOT the measurement I care about
Calculating body frame size: MedlinePlus Medical Encyclopedia Image
Body frame size is determined by a persons wrist circumference in relation to their height. For example, a man whose height is over 5 5 and wrist is 6 would fall into the small-boned category. To determine
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Number19
Hall of Fame
Will you be able to tell from combine video if he has a cheeseburger belly? Or the coaches at the combine?
Number19
Hall of Fame
So what is Young's wrist measurement?Exactly!! Why is it that people think if you weigh more you must be huge. There are a few different types of bone structures and his is small or... Here please read and understand. Weight is NOT the measurement I care about
Calculating body frame size: MedlinePlus Medical Encyclopedia Image
Body frame size is determined by a persons wrist circumference in relation to their height. For example, a man whose height is over 5 5 and wrist is 6 would fall into the small-boned category. To determine
I don't remember this measurement being taken at the combine. We'll likely never know. He could be medium boned/ framed.
Other than going to the Super Bowl in his 3rd year.
badboy
Hall of Fame
Perhaps they won't be selecting a QB just to market a QB but to get what they think is a franchise player? I believe they think Young is best player available. Perhaps they do not think a free agent QB is better than Stroud or Young or even Levis?
Bolded seems to be exactly what they are doing so far..
Davis Mills had a much better oline than did David Carr..
Texansphan
Football connoisseur
Mills could still be a lot better with time and better team around him but the trouble is, will he be good enough to get us to and win a SB?
I can't see it.
We have a bonus first round pick this year and next so we still have a chance to get a top QB and a quality prospect in the top third of this draft and the next - so I think you have to take a punt on a QB.
I agree. But I don’t see any QB taking this team to the Super Bowl in the next two years. So I don’t know we should be in a hurry to get a QB.
I’m not against drafting a QB. I don’t want to spend a top draft pick on a guy that only marginally improves our chances.
Whoever the QB is he’s going to need more playmakers, more difference makers on offense & defense. This year I’d rather add as many difference makers as possible.
SnakeEyes
Under NRG
He is small boned, 1 look at him shows he is not large or medium. Nothing wrong with small boned, but it won't take a hit as well as the other 2. Just facts not bashing him. I just don't think his lack of size and his cons (scouting reports) make him the top QB. He could be really good in a few years but he has to clean up his mistakes and add muscle. He can't make up for being short comes to most QBs however
Texansphan
Football connoisseur
I see your point, but unless you trade that #2 pick, it is still only one prospect.
I have a feeling judging by Carstereo's interview a week or so back that he is on thin ice and will likely be looking very hard at this QB class and take the best option - not only to generate some excitement and sales and save his job, but possibly get a franchise QB.
Every year we see flops, and success stories - ya never know. To me, you cannot succeed without excellent coaching - it starts there.
I'm for trading down if a team wants one of these QB's. Get more picks in this yrs draft and the 2024 draft to speed up the rebuilding process.
. If Caserio is truly on the hot seat then he should sign Jimmy G in FA so the team will win more if his job is truly in jeopardy. At least this is what I would do if my job was in jeopardy. No need for me to lose my job while a rookie QB is learning on the job.
Texansphan
Football connoisseur
I compared Brock Purdy with Aiden O'Connell draft profiles from the same website.
They read very similar except O' Connell's reads better with decision making. Same threat with their legs, same arm talent but O'Connell is more accurate on the run.
I think he is worth a flyer to sit behind #1 and #2.
Some decent coaching will benefit our QB room.
His main knock is his frame - he is slightly lighter than ideal at 210, but not enough to be a major concern. At 6'3", he has ideal height and 9 7/8" hands compared to Purdys 9 3/8".
He could go undrafted, but I would take him with a 6th to make sure you get him - we have 4 of those.