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2023 TEXANS DRAFT DISCUSSION

The Cards Monti Ossenfort takes advantage of Caserio by insisting on the Texans 1st RD 2024 pick instead of the Browns 2024 1st RD. Caserio eagerly pulled the trigger to make it happen and why he pooh poohed the NFL trade Value Chart. Typical Caserio.

"Houston’s first — not Cleveland’s — now belongs to Arizona"

This too will come back to bite the Texans in the butt in a very BIG way.
 
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Lucky said:
I'm confused. If the Texans thought the Browns would have the worse record, they would want to keep the Browns 1st. Which is what I thought they did.
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The Pencil Neck said:
I have confusion.

We should trade the pick of the team we expect to have the better record, keeping the pick of the team that's going to lose more. Right?
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That is what they did. I miswrote. I meant to say the opposite!
 
Texian said:
The Cards Monti Ossenfort takes advantage of Caserio by insisting on the Texans 1st RD 2024 pick instead of the Texans 2024 1st RD. Caserio eagerly pulled the trigger to make it happen and why he pooh poohed the NFL trade Value Chart. Typical Caserio.

"Houston’s first — not Cleveland’s — now belongs to Arizona"

This too will come back to bite the Texans in the butt in a very BIG way.
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Aren't you contradicting yourself here?
The rest of your post merely illustrates your disdain for NC and eagerness to cross bridges you haven't come to yet.
This will come back to bite your butt in a very big way.
 
The Pencil Neck said:
I have confusion.

We should trade the pick of the team we expect to have the better record, keeping the pick of the team that's going to lose more. Right?
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Texans may yet have a worse record than Browns but that is a ways off yet.
Texans will have an easier schedule than Browns and should the Texans have a much improved season like many expect, draft positions may be very close and the difference inconsequential - unlike some who think the sky will fall on Texans FO.
 
badboy said:
Uh.. just to clarify, wouldn't that be ham? 🙂
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I am a pig. I'm really not smart enough. I just know what the farmer's wife told me. She said I'm ready to makin some bacon with you. She fed me some corn, and then the next two hours I was blacked out and woke up in a mud pit out in the pasture and my ass hurt. I made some assumptions, but now I'm not so sure. There was a full moon that night, so maybe it was moons over my hammy.
 
https://twitter.com/x/status/1654105883662589955
It had been widely reported the Carolina Panthers would select Alabama quarterback Bryce Young at No. 1, clearing the runway for Houston to make its decision. But the Texans were still trying to reconcile their love for Alabama pass-rusher Will Anderson Jr. with the sober realization they needed a franchise quarterback, according to multiple sources. In those final hours, the best guess among sources inside the Texans' facility was Anderson would be the pick at No. 2, according to ESPN's Adam Schefter.

ACCORDING TO MULTIPLE sources, Anderson was the top-rated player on the Texans' draft board for most of the offseason -- ahead of Young, Stroud and every other quarterback available. Ryans played at Alabama and consulted with Crimson Tide coach Nick Saban throughout the pre-draft process, according to a source. Ryans envisioned Anderson as the kind of game-changing edge rusher all great defenses have, similar to the one he had built around in his previous job as the San Francisco 49ers defensive coordinator: Nick Bosa.

Anderson's pass-rush production at Alabama (34.5 career sacks) suggests he could flourish in Ryans' 4-3 scheme, although some teams around the league considered Texas Tech's Tyree Wilson as an equal or better pass-rushing prospect. Anderson twice earned unanimous All-America honors as well as the Nagurski Trophy as college football's best defensive player, having compiled 130 pressures from 2021-22 -- 42 more than any other FBS player in that span.

The Texans haven't had a player produce a double-digit-sack season since J.J. Watt in 2018, and other than quarterback, there is arguably no position more valuable in the modern NFL than pass-rusher.

Ryans added he and Caserio were "on the same page" about Anderson's projections. But their consensus left a question. Could the Texans get away with drafting Anderson at No. 2 and then almost certainly missing out on a quarterback at No. 12?

Caserio was entering his third draft as Texans general manager. Watson's absence and subsequent departure had disrupted the team-building plan he arrived with, and circumstances left Caserio with few options. The Texans' previous regime had traded away their first- and second-round picks in 2021, so he selected quarterback Davis Mills in the third round. The 2022 quarterback class was one of the weakest in memory and offered no options of value at the Texans' No. 3 overall pick, where Caserio selected LSU cornerback Derek Stingley Jr. Pitt's Kenny Pickett was the first quarterback of the board at No. 20.

But given the presence of Young, Stroud and Florida's Anthony Richardson this year, it would be much harder to defend coming out of the draft without a more permanent solution. How could the Texans justify passing on a potential franchise quarterback to a fan base that had watched so much losing in the wake of Watson's departure?

UNDER THOSE CIRCUMSTANCES, some NFL owners would demand a quarterback. Texans chair and chief executive officer Cal McNair isn't one of them. Two days before the draft, Caserio told ESPN's Ed Werder that McNair had given him space to operate as he saw fit.

"The biggest thing he's just been supportive of what we're doing," Caserio said. "They've fully appreciated what we're trying to do. And they've enabled us the opportunity to kind of do what we feel is in the best interest of the organization."

Caserio acknowledged he would need to inform McNair "about what we're going to do and the rationale behind it," but added: "They've been great from the standpoint of just kind of allowing us to kind of work through it."

At the same time, an NFC front-office source said Caserio did not need a push from the owner to know he needed a quarterback. On top of compiling the NFL's worst record over that span, primary starter, Mills, has ranked No. 32 in the league in Total Quarterback Rating. Ryans is his third coach in as many seasons. Caserio is running out of time to give the Texans hope, much less turn them into a winner.

Stroud was the team's next-highest-ranked quarterback after Young. Caserio said later in the post-draft news conference: "He's a competitive player, has an edge about him in a good way, loves football, wants to compete, wants to be great. Good size, comes from a good program." He added: "Certainly has a long way to go. I think he'll admit that."

But neither Caserio nor Ryans could shake the idea of losing Anderson in the pursuit of a quarterback. So in the days leading up to the draft, Caserio set out to see if he could move up high enough from No. 12 to get both.
He had preliminary talks with Cardinals general manager Monti Ossenfort, with whom he had worked with the New England Patriots from 2003 to 2004 and 2006 to 2019, to find out "whether or not this was something we were interested in doing," he said. Later, he asked the Indianapolis Colts (No. 4) and the Seattle Seahawks (No. 5) about their interest levels.

Ultimately, sources said, the Texans were concerned the Tennessee Titans could trade up from No. 11 to No. 3 to draft Stroud. And if the Cardinals opted to keep their pick, Anderson would have been a prime target for them.

Buzz around the league at the time centered around the Texans' apparent preference for Anderson. Caserio's time with the Patriots taught him the value of keeping his business secret, and only a handful of people knew he was working to move into the Cardinals' spot. In the days leading up to Thursday night, according to sources, people who had personal relationships with Caserio in Houston and New England tried to get an idea what he was up to. They couldn't. Stroud's agent, David Mulugheta, did not know that the Texans would target Stroud if they could make the trade, although Caserio did tell Werder that Mulugheta's previous representation of Watson would have no effect on their decision.

In reality, the Texans didn't know what was going to happen, either. Ossenfort and the Cardinals drove a hard bargain, which is why the best guess from Texans sources Thursday afternoon was Anderson would be the pick. But as the draft opened, Caserio was confident enough in the pending deal that he selected Stroud at No. 2. (Had he chosen Anderson first, the Cardinals might have gotten new offers at No. 3 from teams seeking either Stroud or Richardson.) But there was no wizardry involved as he and Ossenfort agreed on the trade during the 10-minute allotment they had at No. 3. To get the deal done, Caserio committed the second-biggest overpayment of draft capital for a non-quarterback in the past 20 drafts, according to ESPN Analytics' approximate value-based draft-pick valuations tool.

The only deal for a non-quarterback during the past 20 drafts to exceed the Texans' deal was the Atlanta Falcons' move from No. 27 to No. 6 in 2011 to select receiver Julio Jones. The Falcons also gave up their first-round pick in 2012, two second-round picks and a fourth-round pick.

A closer comparison can be traced to 2013, when the Dolphins traded with the Raiders to also move up from No. 12 to No. 3. The Dolphins drafted pass-rusher Dion Jordan at No. 3. In exchange, they gave up only a second-round pick (No. 42 overall).

Writing on Twitter, former Philadelphia Eagles and Browns executive Joe Banner called the Texans' trade last week "one of the biggest overpayments of all time."

Internally, the Texans settled Thursday on a more nuanced justification, according to sources. They considered the trade to be their cost for drafting a quarterback. Without it, they wouldn't have drafted Stroud and would have missed out on Richardson. Anderson would have been the pick. It wasn't a secret. It wasn't a smokescreen. It was a frenzied conclusion of their efforts to find a different answer to the either/or question.
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Texian said:
The Cards Monti Ossenfort takes advantage of Caserio by insisting on the Texans 1st RD 2024 pick instead of the Browns 2024 1st RD. Caserio eagerly pulled the trigger to make it happen and why he pooh poohed the NFL trade Value Chart. Typical Caserio.

"Houston’s first — not Cleveland’s — now belongs to Arizona"

This too will come back to bite the Texans in the butt in a very BIG way.
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Agreed, but it is what it is.

Cal wanted Stroud, Ryans wanted Anderson, Caserio did what it took to make both of them happy. There will be a price to be paid for this. Impatience reared it's ugly head. Of course I could be wrong and Caserio could be on a short leash and was drafting for his job. However I believe the 1st scenario is most likely the correct one.
 
zshawn10 said:
https://twitter.com/x/status/1654105883662589955
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This part just doesn't seem to fit a narrative going on around here.

UNDER THOSE CIRCUMSTANCES, some NFL owners would demand a quarterback. Texans chair and chief executive officer Cal McNair isn't one of them. Two days before the draft, Caserio told ESPN's Ed Werder that McNair had given him space to operate as he saw fit.​
 
zshawn10 said:
https://twitter.com/x/status/1654105883662589955
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In summary, they picked Stroud second to make the fanbase happy and overpayed to draft Anderson third, the guy Caserio and Ryans really wanted. Cal stayed on the sidelines. If the Texans win a whole bunch of games and start to even out that 142-195-1 record, everybody will be happy. If not, it was another misguided attempt from the organization to obtain relevancy.
 
banned1976 said:
In summary, they picked Stroud second to make the fanbase happy and overpayed to draft Anderson third, the guy Caserio and Ryans really wanted. Cal stayed on the sidelines. If the Texans win a whole bunch of games and start to even out that 142-195-1 record, everybody will be happy. If not, it was another misguided attempt from the organization to obtain relevancy.
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100% Spot on.
 
Porky said:
I am a pig. I'm really not smart enough. I just know what the farmer's wife told me. She said I'm ready to makin some bacon with you. She fed me some corn, and then the next two hours I was blacked out and woke up in a mud pit out in the pasture and my ass hurt. I made some assumptions, but now I'm not so sure. There was a full moon that night, so maybe it was moons over my hammy.
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A hen makes a donation to breakfast..
A pig makes a sacrifice.
 
The Texans will have the first pick in next year's 2024 draft and that pick will go to the Arizona Cardinals.
 
Texian said:
The Texans will have the first pick in next year's 2024 draft and that pick will go to the Arizona Cardinals.
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Doubtful

Top 5, possible

Top 10, highly likely

Terrible trade even if Anderson performs as well as I think he will. They doubled down on impatience. Fire Caserio
 
steelbtexan said:
I've just heard from somebody that should know, that Cal/Slowik wanted to wait on a QB. Hannah/Caserio wanted Stroud, not sure what Ryans wanted.
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4 of the main people are now very happy. That should be good for team chemistry going forward.
 
badboy said:
4 of the main people are now very happy. That should be good for team chemistry going forward.
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True, they will win more and that will make the I just want to be entertained crowd like TB happy. If you're about winning championships, which the McNair's clearly aren't, not so much.
 
Lucky said:
Wait, the guy you wanted the Texans to hire as HC will coach the Cardinals to the worst record in the league?
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Yep, and they will be better off for it in 5 yrs. They started building a solid foundation this yr and will most likely have a top 10 pick in addition to 1-1. I'm betting they do more with those picks than Caserio did. Gotta figure out how to deal with the Murray mistake though.
 
Lucky said:
Anyone who can remember shock jock Nick Wright's time on Houston airwaves can tell you the guy knows jack about sports, football in particular. In the 1st minute of this video, Wright says "I'm not a draft guy." Please, don't let that stop you from making wild arse assertions like "the Texans just traded the 1st pick in the draft."
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He's a dufus.
 
Texansballer74 said:
Nothing is coming out of the Texans period. Didn’t you just learn that last week? Or you’re going to ignore those facts because it doesn’t fit your agendas?
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Yep, if Cal, Caserio, Ryans, Hannah doesn't say it, we should ignore it? Even though before the draft Scheffty or maybe it was Rapsheet that reported the Texans FO was split on who to take at 1-2.
 
steelbtexan said:
Yep, if Cal, Caserio, Ryans, Hannah doesn't say it, we should ignore it? Even though before the draft Scheffty or maybe it was Rapsheet that reported the Texans FO was split on who to take at 1-2.
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It was even speculated that we'd trade back up to #3 & draft both Anderson & Stroud.
 
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