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2023 TEXANS DRAFT DISCUSSION

leebigeztx said:
You're falling for the banana in the tailpipe again. Those so called rumors of painting the white house black are about as true as a $3 bill. As a black man, the last thing you want is an incompetent black man as a token hire. If that were the case, they could've given Bienemy the job. Stop falling for the okie doke.
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...yada-yada-yada. How about this reasoning, this organization was in such a deep shite hole that no HC or Coordinator worth their weight was going to come to Houston. Caserio and the Texans were left with scooping the shite at the bottom of the barrel. That explains YR1.

YR2, see the above explanation.

As for the contracts.....make them look acceptable to the media.
 
Xopher said:
I haven't done a whole lot of research, but is Stroud more accurate because he had much much better receivers?
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Yes, because he had (2) potential HOF WRs (Egbuka and Harrison). In addition, he had an OL that will also be playing on Sundays.
 
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pirbroke said:
Yep that’s pretty good, starts really about the 5 minute mark with Shanny talk at 6 minute mark.


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Yep. When Demeco said there are 2 qbs at the top, I think he meant Young and Stroud. I may be or could be wrong like everyone else though.
 
Texian said:
Actually, at the Combine Stetson Bennett got more oohs and ahhs on his deep throws and Bennett also threw the ball with more velocity.
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Bennett was on the way to being drafted when he had the PI incident in Dallas. One of the pluses for an age 25 rookie QB, maturity, was nullified. Forgetting about the top 5 going on Day 1 & Day 2, there are 6 other QBs that are likely to go ahead of Bennett on Day 3. He's the guy without a chair when the draft music stops. Stetson Bennett, UDFA.
 
Lucky said:
Bennett was on the way to being drafted when he had the PI incident in Dallas. One of the pluses for an age 25 rookie QB, maturity, was nullified. Forgetting about the top 5 going on Day 1 & Day 2, there are 6 other QBs that are likely to go ahead of Bennett on Day 3. He's the guy without a chair when the draft music stops. Stetson Bennett, UDFA.
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Dak had an incident that dropped him probably 2 rds. Stetson was at best a 4th rd pick, 2 rds will put him in the 6th rd. I like Stetson
 
leebigeztx said:
Dak had an incident that dropped him probably 2 rds. Stetson was at best a 4th rd pick, 2 rds will put him in the 6th rd. I like Stetson
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Dak had more value. He was going to get drafted, at some point. And the two situations aren't necessarily linear. There are plenty of QBs just like Bennett available on Day 3. The others aren't 25 with a drunk video on youtube. Bennett will get an invite to a camp. And they need QBs in Canada and the XFL, too.
 
Lucky said:
Bennett was on the way to being drafted when he had the PI incident in Dallas. One of the pluses for an age 25 rookie QB, maturity, was nullified. Forgetting about the top 5 going on Day 1 & Day 2, there are 6 other QBs that are likely to go ahead of Bennett on Day 3. He's the guy without a chair when the draft music stops. Stetson Bennett, UDFA.
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But you're a production guy and no one had better production than Bennett. I'm not as worried about the PI as much as I am about his behavior after the arrest. Entitled, and I'm not sure he learned from it.
 
Texian said:
But you're a production guy and no one had better production than Bennett. I'm not as worried about the PI as much as I am about his behavior after the arrest. Entitled, and I'm not sure he learned from it.
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Someone will give him a chance. If he did well on the S2, maybe the Niners.
 
banned1976 said:
For Levis to all the sudden be the odds on betting favorite to be taken #2 overall, I'm afraid someone from the Texans organization leaked information that they really like Levis, and it's not a smokescreen. Afterall, the rumors were hot right before the draft last year that the Texans were going to draft Stingley if they couldn't move back.
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Those past years, pre-Draft (and other) leaks from the Texans organization were worst than the Titanic after it hit the iceberg. Not so this year.
 
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leebigeztx said:
Who was Joe Burrow throwing to in college?
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Joe Burrow could perform under pressure. Many want to tout Stroud's Natty performance against Georgia, but he was under pressure when he floated a pass that took out his top WR and a BIG reason why OSU lost the game. Stroud also threw an INT at the end of the Michigan game that iced it for the Spartans.
 
Texian said:
Many want to tout Stroud's Natty performance against Georgia, but he was under pressure when he floated a pass that took out his top WR and a BIG reason why OSU lost the game.
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That should have been a targeting call. Definitely a personal foul and fat fine in the NFL. Any QB would have made that pass.

 
rmartin65 said:
I have a really hard time believing the negative rumors about Stroud (S2 score and difficult to coach)- nothing I have seen in games indicates the former, and nothing I have read indicates the latter. It sounds like a team is trying to get Stroud to drop. Or that another QBs agent is trying to get him to drop (and Levis is now all the sudden a favorite for the #2 slot, interesting).

I'd be very disappointed if Levis was the pick at 2, even if I respect the amateur bodybuilding work. At least with Richardson at that spot there is the wild, unprecedented physical ability to get excited/hopeful about. Levis... meh. Not as polished as a QB as Young/Stroud, not as athletically gifted as Richardson. I fail to see what makes him the pick there.

I actually can't think of which one I'd rather see less- Levis at 2, or Hooker at 12. Yikes.
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Exactly, one unconfirmed source reports that............and then click bait takes over. Like everything else related to the NFL, it's all about how to squeeze the last penny out of fans.

I'm not a fan of Stroud, but given a choice between Young and him, I would choose Stroud.
 
Lucky said:
That should have been a targeting call. Definitely a personal foul and fat fine in the NFL. Any QB would have made that pass.

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Falling backward and throwing off the wrong leg, I don't think so. This is exactly why Stroud scored so low when he was under pressure. It is there for all to see, for those who can believe what their eyes and ears are telling them. Those that love them some Stroud are probably making excuses for him.
 
Texian said:
Falling backward and throwing off the wrong leg, I don't think so. This is exactly why Stroud scored so low when he was under pressure. It is there for all to see, for those who can believe what their eyes and ears are telling them. Those that love them some Stroud are probably making excuses for him.
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Is this really the best example of Stroud "failing" under pressure you could come up with? It's laughable.
 
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Lucky said:
Is this really the best example of Stroud "failing" under pressure you could come up with? It' laughable.
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No, it's just one, but it was a BIG fail. OSU was without their #1 WR for the 4th Q and Harrison already had over 100 yds receiving averaging over 21 yds per catch. I don't think Day, Stroud, and Harrison are laughing. Stroud had trouble completing half of his passes when he was under pressure.
 
TexansBull said:
I don’t think you are wrong as that’s your opinion on how things should work.

I think the NFL is still figuring it out too. A lot of it is luck. You can’t have a HC doing it all like OB tried to. You can’t have a GM and HC on different pages like what we saw in Tennessee.

Successful orgs have a GM and HC that can work together competently. I don’t know what the secret sauce is in San Fran, Philly, Buffalo, Seattle, Cincinnati, or other places.

But luck has a lot to do with it.

And a QB that doesn’t get in trouble with a masseuse at the Houstonian…
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Or RS/BOB in Houston.

This much will be true, whatever QB Ryans/Slowik want Caserio will get him for them
 
steelbtexan said:
I'm not back at all, I will lurk some.

Better to talk by PM than have to deal with a power crazed
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I don't know who you are referring to, but if you have a personality clash with someone, can't you just place them on ignore?

Seems like you're throwing the baby out with the bath water.

I know you enjoy chopping it up with the fans here, so why let one person bother you?
 
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Texans leaks in the last 72 Hours.
"Texans will take Stroud/Young"
"Will Levis favorite to go #2"
"Texans looking for trade partner"
"The McNairs are more involved"
"Organization split on Stroud"
"Texans love Will Anderson"
"Texans love Tyree"

I have to give Nick credit, he either has the leakiest scouting department of all time or he is doing exactly what he did last year when the media was reporting Ikem Ekwonu, Evan Neal, etc as the pick more than a week out.
 
thunderkyss said:
He had me at “foot injury”.

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The media has misrepresented Levis' mid Oct "foot injury"............sometimes reporting it as a "foot" injury, sometimes reporting it as an "ankle" injury. His actual injury was a turf toe, which can debilitate any player, especially if they try to play through it like Levis did. Furthermore, it is not uncommon for recurrence of injury to the toe.

But this was not the only injury that slowed Levis throughout the 2nd half of the 2022 season. One week prior to his turf toe, he suffered a dislocated finger of his left hand. Although this was on his nonthrowing hand, it still has implications on stabilizing the ball prior to the throw, many times affecting throwing and accuracy. If that wasn't enough, 1 week after his hand injury, he landed on his shoulder suffering a Grade I shoulder separation of his nonthrowing arm. He underwent multiple shoulder injections to keep going through the season. But again ball stabilization would have been further affected.
 
Texian said:
Bob Kraft also threw Caserio under the bus when he said the Patriots did not do a good job in the draft the last several years when Caserio was Director of Player Personnel.
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No, he was throwing Belichick under the bus because Bill had become a detriment.

In Nick's last year Patriots scouting staff built the board with the plan Belichick had given them. They needed offense in a big way post Brady. Bob Kraft was apprised of their plans. Literally on draft day Belichick came in a did what he does, he scrapped everything and went defense, defense, defense. Nick was over it and Kraft had a lot of questions, and the entire scouting department was looking at Belichick to provide Mr Kraft with his answers. The year before, Nick's guys had Deebo and AJ Brown at the top, and Belichick overruled 'em and went NKeal Harry.

In today's NFL GMs serve the coaches. Relics like John Dorsey and Dave Gettelman who buy the groceries and you'll make it work or get fired aren't long for the league anymore. Andy Reid, Kyle Shanahan, Sean McVay, Pete Carroll, Belichick, Mike Vrabel, Ron Rivera are the actual GMs of their teams. Tepper and the Jones' run their teams. Dan Rooney and Kevin Colbert still run it in PIT but Tomlin has tremendous input. Ozzie still runs it in BAL but Harbaugh has oversized input. Howie runs it in Philly. He doesn't do well with premium picks, but he trades his way out of his mistakes. McDermott hired Beane, McDaniels runs LV, Sean Payton runs DEN and will fire Paton soon, Arthur Smith has sway in ATL, and Mulugheta/Watson are making the decisions over Haslam in CLE for now.

Nick served the coaches he did not hire, and will serve DeMeco as well. Cal was in the room when Nick and Lovie went at it over Stingley. Lovie told them he had been given 'personal assurances' from Stingley's dad, 'Christian man to Christian man.' Nick's job is to serve the coaches, but he was going to walk after taking bullets in public for firing two black head coaches that Cal hired... two head coaches who should not have gotten those jobs. Lovie became outright obstinate when it was suggested he modernize his thinking just a little bit. Nick is doing what he's supposed to do. He's not going to draft a QB Slowik has questionmarks on, or an EDGE DeMeco doesn't want. Coaches tell the scouts I need an xxxx who can do yyy and zzz, and a bbbb who can do ccc and ddd and the scouting department goes out and finds those guys who can execute those techniques for them. Anything else is a fail.
 
rmartin65 said:
I have a really hard time believing the negative rumors about Stroud (S2 score and difficult to coach)- nothing I have seen in games indicates the former, and nothing I have read indicates the latter. It sounds like a team is trying to get Stroud to drop. Or that another QBs agent is trying to get him to drop (and Levis is now all the sudden a favorite for the #2 slot, interesting).

I'd be very disappointed if Levis was the pick at 2, even if I respect the amateur bodybuilding work. At least with Richardson at that spot there is the wild, unprecedented physical ability to get excited/hopeful about. Levis... meh. Not as polished as a QB as Young/Stroud, not as athletically gifted as Richardson. I fail to see what makes him the pick there.

I actually can't think of which one I'd rather see less- Levis at 2, or Hooker at 12. Yikes.
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Here's an account from Brady Quinn saying he ghosted the Mannings(to be on the record, I do want Stroud if we don't get Bryce):

https://twitter.com/x/status/1648744752186269699
 
corry said:
Texans leaks in the last 72 Hours.
"Texans will take Stroud/Young"
"Will Levis favorite to go #2"
"Texans looking for trade partner"
"The McNairs are more involved"
"Organization split on Stroud"
"Texans love Will Anderson"
"Texans love Tyree"

I have to give Nick credit, he either has the leakiest scouting department of all time or he is doing exactly what he did last year when the media was reporting Ikem Ekwonu, Evan Neal, etc as the pick more than a week out.
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Leaks? Some reflect the obvious or the potential............most, can you spell F-A-B-R-I-C-A-T-I-O-N?
 
CloakNNNdagger said:
No, he was throwing Belichick under the bus because Bill had become a detriment.

In Nick's last year Patriots scouting staff built the board with the plan Belichick had given them. They needed offense in a big way post Brady. Bob Kraft was apprised of their plans. Literally on draft day Belichick came in a did what he does, he scrapped everything and went defense, defense, defense. Nick was over it and Kraft had a lot of questions, and the entire scouting department was looking at Belichick to provide Mr Kraft with his answers. The year before, Nick's guys had Deebo and AJ Brown at the top, and Belichick overruled 'em and went NKeal Harry.

In today's NFL GMs serve the coaches. Relics like John Dorsey and Dave Gettelman who buy the groceries and you'll make it work or get fired aren't long for the league anymore. Andy Reid, Kyle Shanahan, Sean McVay, Pete Carroll, Belichick, Mike Vrabel, Ron Rivera are the actual GMs of their teams. Tepper and the Jones' run their teams. Dan Rooney and Kevin Colbert still run it in PIT but Tomlin has tremendous input. Ozzie still runs it in BAL but Harbaugh has oversized input. Howie runs it in Philly. He doesn't do well with premium picks, but he trades his way out of his mistakes. McDermott hired Beane, McDaniels runs LV, Sean Payton runs DEN and will fire Paton soon, Arthur Smith has sway in ATL, and Mulugheta/Watson are making the decisions over Haslam in CLE for now.

Nick served the coaches he did not hire, and will serve DeMeco as well. Cal was in the room when Nick and Lovie went at it over Stingley. Lovie told them he had been given 'personal assurances' from Stingley's dad, 'Christian man to Christian man.' Nick's job is to serve the coaches, but he was going to walk after taking bullets in public for firing two black head coaches that Cal hired... two head coaches who should not have gotten those jobs. Lovie became outright obstinate when it was suggested he modernize his thinking just a little bit. Nick is doing what he's supposed to do. He's not going to draft a QB Slowik has questionmarks on, or an EDGE DeMeco doesn't want. Coaches tell the scouts I need an xxxx who can do yyy and zzz, and a bbbb who can do ccc and ddd and the scouting department goes out and finds those guys who can execute those techniques for them. Anything else is a fail.
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Yesterday, on the SiriusXM NFL channel, two of their analysts were talking Texans and mentioned how strong of a personality Lovie Smith has and how controlling he was.
 
CloakNNNdagger said:
No, he was throwing Belichick under the bus because Bill had become a detriment.
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No argument from me about Kraft throwing Belichick under the bus but IMO Caserio was also included in Kraft's rant. Kraft spending $168MM in GTD in FA and completely revamping the scouting department is more than just Belichick.
 
corry said:
Texans leaks in the last 72 Hours.
"Texans will take Stroud/Young"
"Will Levis favorite to go #2"
"Texans looking for trade partner"
"The McNairs are more involved"
"Organization split on Stroud"
"Texans love Will Anderson"
"Texans love Tyree"

I have to give Nick credit, he either has the leakiest scouting department of all time or he is doing exactly what he did last year when the media was reporting Ikem Ekwonu, Evan Neal, etc as the pick more than a week out.
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Then again, absolutely nothing could be coming from kirby. it all could be in the minds of those posting.
 
badboy said:
Then again, absolutely nothing could be coming from kirby. it all could be in the minds of those posting.
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Also that is a very Texans-centric view on the rumors. And by that I just mean that if you take a more focused look at any franchise picking in the top handful of picks - and particularly this with questions around the QB position - you're going to find just as many 'leaky' talking points for media and those fanbases to be jumping on from day to day.

We ain't the only ones.
 
santo said:
For a third round pick for next year’s draft.
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If we actually don't like Stroud for some reason (which I don't get-I think he is the best QB prospect in the past 3+ years)... but, if we don't like him, I could get on board for a Trey Lance trade. I think it cost something like this: our 12th pick in this draft for Trey Lance + 2024 2nd round pick... and I could get on board with a deal like that. We could reassess after one year with Trey Lance and would have a ton of draft ammunition next year, if needed, to take a QB in what is likely to be a better and deeper QB draft class.
 
dalemurphy said:
If we actually don't like Stroud for some reason (which I don't get-I think he is the best QB prospect in the past 3+ years)... but, if we don't like him, I could get on board for a Trey Lance trade. I think it cost something like this: our 12th pick in this draft for Trey Lance + 2024 2nd round pick... and I could get on board with a deal like that. We could reassess after one year with Trey Lance and would have a ton of draft ammunition next year, if needed, to take a QB in what is likely to be a better and deeper QB draft class.
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