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2019 Texans free agency

maverick512000 said:
On this we can agree.

To be honest I think it was mostly a Smith decision but I'm not excusing BoB, I think it was a Smith decision because Hoyer, Mallet and Savage were all BoB decisions. In my head, and totally in my head, I can see McNair watching the meltdown that was Hoyer in the playoffs and telling Smith to un-F this mess and get a damn QB no matter what. Frankly if I had been in Smith's position I don't know that I would have consulted BoB either.
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Totally agree with this post.

I just wish the former GM had lived with the philosphy of drafting a QB every 3-4 yrs in rds 1-3 so that this franchise never again has to suffer thru the Fitzmajic/Hoyer/Mallett yrs.

This is where the former GM failed. I expect Gaine to pick a QB high in the 2020 draft, given Watson's injury history.
 
steelbtexan said:
Totally agree with this post.

I just wish the former GM had lived with the philosphy of drafting a QB every 3-4 yrs in rds 1-3 so that this franchise never again has to suffer thru the Fitzmajic/Hoyer/Mallett yrs.

This is where the former GM failed. I expect Gaine to pick a QB high in the 2020 draft, given Watson's injury history.
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Why not just draft Drew Lock this year? Good chance Watson won’t make through this upcoming season. If he slips past Giants #17? Let’s test your theory.

In other news, don’t care for Lance Zierlein selecting Greg Little #23 worst reach for Texans I’ve ever seen him make. Not sure he’s worth a 3rd rounder :boogereater:
 
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powda said:
I still can't get past @TheKDog 's assessment that this team is broke.
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No one said the team is "broke." I said you can't add someone like Trent Brown for $26m over when you have to sign a bunch of FAs, you're locked in negotiations with one of the pest EDGE players in the league and pay $30m to Watson in a couple years. Oh yeah and new CBA in a couple years too.

I still can't get over your plan to "shop in the Best Buy new releases shelf" to fix the Texans. That's called "the draft" for people who follow the NFL.

But please enlighten me with reason. Show me how the Texans fit Trent Brown under the cap in 2 years.
 
Mr teX said:
Which is why they don't have that much of an effect on the bottom line stat of PPG whether you include them or not & why your whole point of excluding them b/c you saw the Texans were 20th in this particular cherry picked stat is well, silly.

Also, stop acting like there's this huge gap from those teams that are on the backend of the top 10 & where the texans are. Outside of KC, NO, LAR & NE, There are a boatload of teams that are within 1/2 a TD of being in the top 10 according to your metric & more than a few that are less than a FG from being in the top 10 by PPG.

You pump up our defense b/c they finished top 10 in your handpicked metric but couldn't stop anyone when it mattered. Statistically though, KC's defense was better even though they were maligned by, well everyone. The hype around the Texan's defense is a myth perpetrated by ill-informed fans like you & the fan fare names like JJ Watt & JD Clowney bring.
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There is a huge gap between the Texans offense and the offense of KC, NO, LAR and NE. It is absolutely massive. O'Brien's offense is like 70's era.
 
steelbtexan said:
Yep if we fail we quit trying.

#HoustonTexansorg,
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No one "quit trying." They attempted to keep Matthieu. But they didn't want to overpay, nothing wrong with that because if you overpay you constrain yourself capwise. Who is the last guy Belichick overpaid because some guy on the internet wanted him to? Do you want another overpaid bust like Osweiler?

They signed Roby and Gipson to help on the biggest need on the defense. They signed Blackson to a nice value deal.

The offense is a mess though, thanks to O'Brien. They didn't go after ANY value OTs. They tried to compete for Saffold, but why? He's a guard. It seems at this point they are waiting for the draft to fix OT but a rookie could take years for one to develop.
 
Texas Jake said:
Fix the oline and you will all but erase that percieve
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O'Brien doesn't know how to fix the OLine. Another offseason of terrible moves on OL. There were value FAs to be had and he didn't go after any of them.

They could have trade for Nsehke or Daryl Williams who signed for cheap.

Parnell is still out there, why don't they give him a look?

This looks like a carbon copy of last year. Hope they find an OT in the draft. Unfortunately Rankin is a guard, yet O'Brien still threw him out there at LT and moved Davenport to RT. It was a disaster.
 
TheKDog said:
O'Brien doesn't know how to fix the OLine. Another offseason of terrible moves on OL. There were value FAs to be had and he didn't go after any of them.

They could have trade for Nsehke or Daryl Williams who signed for cheap.

Parnell is still out there, why don't they give him a look?
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I understand your frustration, but there is still the draft and moves that can be made. They have to make some significant progress on the line this year, I definitely agree with you there.
 
What they needed to do

The Houston Texans have to find a way to better protect young franchise quarterback Deshaun Watson. Everything else is secondary. Literally—the defensive backfield needed a bit of a makeover this offseason as well, especially as Tyrann Mathieu and Kareem Jackson hit free agency.

What they did right

They had little choice but to bring back stud pass-rusher Jadeveon Clowney on the franchise tag. While they lost Mathieu and Jackson, they replaced them with starting-caliber defensive backs Bradley Roby and Tashaun Gipson.

Where they went wrong

The Texans downgraded at both corner and safety, Clowney’s $16 million franchise tag number didn’t make it easy to operate and they’ve yet to do anything to improve the offensive line. That could change if they bring in Donald Penn, but they should have found a way to be in on Trent Brown, Ja’Wuan James, Ty Nsekhe or Daryl Williams. It’s not as though they’re out of cash.

What they should do now

They have to sign Penn and install him at left tackle before setting up a competition between Julie’n Davenport, Seantrel Henderson, Martinas Rankin and an early-round rookie at right tackle.

https://www.battleredblog.com/2019/3/22/18276773/grade-the-houston-texans-offseason-so-far
 
TheKDog said:
No one "quit trying." They attempted to keep Matthieu. But they didn't want to overpay, nothing wrong with that because if you overpay you constrain yourself capwise. Who is the last guy Belichick overpaid because some guy on the internet wanted him to? Do you want another overpaid bust like Osweiler?

They signed Roby and Gipson to help on the biggest need on the defense. They signed Blackson to a nice value deal.

The offense is a mess though, thanks to O'Brien. They didn't go after ANY value OTs. They tried to compete for Saffold, but why? He's a guard. It seems at this point they are waiting for the draft to fix OT but a rookie could take years for one to develop.
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Who gets to decide what's an overpay.

You dont really overpay if spending big $$$$ is protecting your franchise QB.

They certainly haven't overpaid to the tune of having rhe 2nd most cap space in the league. Call that what you will.
 
TheKDog said:
No one "quit trying." They attempted to keep Matthieu. But they didn't want to overpay, nothing wrong with that because if you overpay you constrain yourself capwise. Who is the last guy Belichick overpaid because some guy on the internet wanted him to? Do you want another overpaid bust like Osweiler?

They signed Roby and Gipson to help on the biggest need on the defense. They signed Blackson to a nice value deal.

The offense is a mess though, thanks to O'Brien. They didn't go after ANY value OTs. They tried to compete for Saffold, but why? He's a guard. It seems at this point they are waiting for the draft to fix OT but a rookie could take years for one to develop.
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Doesn't matter which position on that line you upgrade.
Just one quality addition can have a huge impact on it.
For instance, you install a beast roadgrader at Guard and suddenly your run game comes to life which then opens the passing game more.
 
infantrycak said:
Nope, 2002 to now they have drafted Rodgers (2005) and Brohm (2008) in the top 3 rounds.



Beathard 1978-1989, seriously this is a current example? You're proving my point. Anyway, Jay Schroeder (1984) was their only top 3 rds QB pick during his tenure.
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Didn't Green Bay have Favre when they drafted Rodgers?

Didn't Washinton have Theismann then drafted Schroeder/Humphries/Sign Williams in FA?

BB drafted Jimmy G

I really dont care what other teams are doing I'm telling you what they should be doing, so that when Watson gets hurt they have the QB position covered by more than Weeden/Webb. BTW, I like the McCarron signing alot. The best backup QB since Rosencopter. IMHO
 
Tweet from @AlbertBreer: 3.18 MMQB!! We're packed, and kicking off with this: 5 of the 6 teams that spent lightest last week were in the playoffs in '18. “The biggest thing is just that free agency, I just don’t think you can make a living there." https://www.si.com/nfl/2019/03/18/free-agency-spending-cowboys-kyler-murray-tyreek-hill https://t.co/k01u03tQSX


Why 2018’s Power Teams Are Sitting Out 2019 Free Agency
The Cowboys—loaded with young talent that they want to be able to take care off down road—are an example of why last season’s playoff teams have mostly avoided making a free agency splash so far. Why spend big (read: overpay) in what’s seen as a weak year for free agents?
By Albert Breer

• Five of the six lightest-spending teams made the playoffs last year, and two of the three lightest spenders played in the Super Bowl. Ten of the 12 playoffs teams from last year are in the bottom 14 in spending thus far. And two of the four in that cluster that didn’t make the playoffs (Atlanta, Carolina) have been in the Super Bowl and made the playoffs multiple times over the last four years.


“In free agency, you get guys in and you find out a lot about them that you didn’t necessarily know. I mean, when we let players go, there’s a reason.”

So Dallas’ plan for this offseason was never not to spend. It was to not spend on someone else’s players, because the Cowboys have enough of their own to take care of. (Sounds a lot like the Texans)
 
This team is run like K-Mart. Oh lookie, there is a blue light special on mayo on aisle 3.

The ONE AND ONLY job this offseason should have been to protect their franchise QB. They haven't done squat unless you consider Fells part of the equation.

There's wasn't one stud out there, I get it. But there were some decent players that could hold down the fort reasonably well in the short/med term, and they didn't sign any of them. Other than Saffold didn't make a run at any olineman. I would have liked Saffold, but he's an interior player and that's all well and good, but we need tackles and they are out there playing fiddles while Rome is burning.
 
More Breer:

“Our philosophy, at the end of the day, is that if we sign a guy in free agency right now, we’re basically giving up a player on our roster at some point that we’ll want to keep, whether it’s a Jaylon Smith, it’s Chidobe, it’s Byron Jones.

“Obviously, we’re going to take care of these top four guys—Zeke and Dak and Amari and D-Law. And then we’ll get into the next wave of guys. We’ve got some needs, don’t get me wrong. Are there some players that could help us? For sure. But …”

The Cowboys would rather keep their own guys than roll the dice on someone else’s.

And they aren’t the only ones. The Rams scooped up Eric Weddle at an affordable rate but haven’t taken their customary swings, having just locked up Aaron Donald, Todd Gurley and Brandin Cooks, with Jared Goff’s contract on the horizon. The Patriots didn’t go crazy bidding for Trey Flowers, Adam Humphries or Jesse James. And others, like the Chargers and Chiefs, have big-ticket contract situations coming.
 
steelbtexan said:
Didn't Green Bay have Favre when they drafted Rodgers?

Didn't Washinton have Theismann then drafted Schroeder/Humphries/Sign Williams in FA?

BB drafted Jimmy G

I really dont care what other teams are doing I'm telling you what they should be doing, so that when Watson gets hurt they have the QB position covered by more than Weeden/Webb. BTW, I like the McCarron signing alot. The best backup QB since Rosencopter. IMHO
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No team in the league has starting caliber players as backups for anything longer than a season or two. If they were starting caliber they would be somewhere else starting.
 
BattleBull said:
No team in the league has starting caliber players as backups for anything longer than a season or two. If they were starting caliber they would be somewhere else starting.
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Rookie contracts? You draft eventual (hopefully starters) a few years before need, right?
 
Looking at remaining FAs
Texans should try to sign. no order
CB Claiborne
G T.J Lang
DT Wilkerson
RT Penn
WR Hogan
CB Melvin
G Spain
DT Philon
 
TheKDog said:
There is a huge gap between the Texans offense and the offense of KC, NO, LAR and NE. It is absolutely massive. O'Brien's offense is like 70's era.
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I guess those other 6 teams in the top 10s' offense's were from the 70's era too then. Pay attention. I said OUTSIDE OF those 4 teams...meaning the elite of the elite yes, there is a huge gap...the other 5-6 in the top 10..not so much.
 
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steelbtexan said:
Who gets to decide what's an overpay.

You dont really overpay if spending big $$$$ is protecting your franchise QB.

They certainly haven't overpaid to the tune of having rhe 2nd most cap space in the league. Call that what you will.
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The player... in both the minimum he will accept to come & play for your team & in how he has delivered & will deliver with his play on the field. Brown's play on the field in his career thus far suggests he was way overpaid by the Raiders. Saffold you could maybe argue he was slightly overpaid, but the guy still has to want to come here.
 
Mr teX said:
I guess those other 6 teams in the top 10's offense's were from the 70's era too then. Pay attention. I said OUTSIDE OF those 4 teams...meaning the elite of the elite yes, there is a huge gap...the other 5-6 in the top 10..not so much.
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Meh, I disagree. 20th in TDs and 29th in redzone offense. One of the worst OLs, bad TEs, mediocre RBs. Completely exposed in the playoffs again.
 
srrono said:
Looking at remaining FAs
Texans should try to sign. no order
CB Claiborne
G T.J Lang
DT Wilkerson
RT Penn
WR Hogan
CB Melvin
G Spain
DT Philon
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Clairborne = trash
TJ Lang = done
Wilkerson = team cancer / done
Penn = coming off injury / done
Hogan = not much better than what we have as our 3-4 guy now
Melvin = Who?
Spain = not much better than what we have now / Tenn paid Saffold big money to rid themselves of this guy
Philon = Who?
 
The Texans were fools for hanging on to the Clown that way and should have made trading him for a #1 (Anybody's #1 this year or next). Instantly could have replaced him for less money with Justin Houston who will be playing this game at least as long as Clowney's knees are working. Now the Colts are going going to have this guy chasing Watson while the Texans spend $15 million on what could very easily be one of the last good years Clowney will see in his career.

I don't have a problem with much of the inactivity in free agency but I think this was a big mistake.
 
Mr teX said:
Clairborne = trash
TJ Lang = done
Wilkerson = team cancer / done
Penn = coming off injury / done
Hogan = not much better than what we have as our 3-4 guy now
Melvin = Who?
Spain = not much better than what we have now / Tenn paid Saffold big money to rid themselves of this guy
Philon = Who?
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Claiborne as depth has size and has played decent when healthy at NYJ.

Wilkerson with Watt & Clowney would be a nightmare for offenses.

Penn is better then all we have right now.

Melvin at 6ft 2in is a big corner who had a down year.

Spain is good run blocker.

Philon is a rotation player for the rams. A big run stuffer. But ARZ is signing him.

Hogan is a playmaker and would be cheap. WR depth has been a big issue.

Any OL players brought in on prove it deals need to happen. Just get guys in and run thru training camp keep those that perform cut those who dont. Status quo is not the way to go.
Bring in 10 new OL on minimum deals I dont care. Find players that help this team.
 
Texansphan said:
Doesn't matter which position on that line you upgrade.
Just one quality addition can have a huge impact on it.
For instance, you install a beast roadgrader at Guard and suddenly your run game comes to life which then opens the passing game more.
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IMHO, the weak spot I. The run game has a name that starts with N & ends with ick Martin. We absolutely have to do something at Center.
 
Hervoyel said:
The Texans were fools for hanging on to the Clown that way and should have made trading him for a #1 (Anybody's #1 this year or next). Instantly could have replaced him for less money with Justin Houston who will be playing this game at least as long as Clowney's knees are working. Now the Colts are going going to have this guy chasing Watson while the Texans spend $15 million on what could very easily be one of the last good years Clowney will see in his career.

I don't have a problem with much of the inactivity in free agency but I think this was a big mistake.
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I actually think they've been trying to do just that but no one is offering a #1.
 
srrono said:
Claiborne as depth has size and has played decent when healthy at NYJ.

Wilkerson with Watt & Clowney would be a nightmare for offenses.

Penn is better then all we have right now.

Melvin at 6ft 2in is a big corner who had a down year.

Spain is good run blocker.

Philon is a rotation player for the rams. A big run stuffer. But ARZ is signing him.

Hogan is a playmaker and would be cheap. WR depth has been a big issue.

Any OL players brought in on prove it deals need to happen. Just get guys in and run thru training camp keep those that perform cut those who dont. Status quo is not the way to go.
Bring in 10 new OL on minimum deals I dont care. Find players that help this team.
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I guess your in the “desperate times call for desperate measures” mode I suppose.

Just keep in mind, desperation led to the Brock Osweiler and Ed Reed signings.
 
Mr teX said:
I guess your in the “desperate times call for desperate measures” mode I suppose.

Just keep in mind, desperation led to the Brock Osweiler and Ed Reed signings.
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I past desperate with last years OLine. This team will not win a superbowl with this oline. Hell could not win a playoff game with it at home. I would like to see my favorite team win. I am not sure what it is that you that you would like to see, maybe a rinse repeat scenario.
 
thunderkyss said:
IMHO, the weak spot I. The run game has a name that starts with N & ends with ick Martin. We absolutely have to do something at Center.
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I am still mystified as to why Mancz was not re-installed back at his Center spot he did so well at his rookie year. He may have continued to develop into a solid C.
Hopefully Martin can be trialed at G to see if he can be useful.
 
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PFF HOU Texans@PFF_Texans
https://twitter.com/PFF_Texans/status/1109229858998140928

Kalil missed all of last season with a knee injury but here are his 2017 grades:

1,138 snaps, 63.1 overall, 71.4 pass block and 53.3 run block.

https://twitter.com/PFF_Texans/status/1109229858998140928

PFF:
"Matt Kalil’s $55 million deal is shaping up to be an all-time bad signing. He earned a 63.1 overall grade in 2017 before missing all of 2018 with yet another injury. It will cost them more to cut the soon to be 30-year old tackle than to roster him in 2019, but either way, you likely don’t want him starting."

PFF Most Improved OLs
"The move to cut Matt Kalil itself might have been enough for Carolina to make this list, but when you pair it with signing center Matt Paradis and re-upping right tackle Daryl Williams, Cam Newton can rest easy. Paradis was a top-three-graded center before he went on IR last year and has been consistently one of the best centers in the NFL ever since the Broncos won the Super Bowl. To get him for under $10 million a year was a steal, and he’ll be a significant upgrade from the now retired Ryan Kalil. Williams’ injury woes look a bit more serious, but he was a top-five-graded right tackle his last full season of 2017."

Panthers released OT Matt Kalil.
It's a post-June 1 designation, which creates $7.25 million in cap space. It was a necessary, expected move after Kalil missed 2018 with an unexplained knee issue. The injury washout came on the heels of a truly dreadful 2017 where Kalil's play regressed even further, and he was one of the worst tackles in the league. Kalil's 2017 signing was an abject disaster for ex-GM Dave Gettleman. The Panthers will be moving forward with Taylor Moton and Daryl Williams at tackle. Four months shy of his 30th birthday, Kalil is in danger of washing out of the league
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