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2017 Houston Texans Official OTA's, Minicamp, and Training Camp Thread

After looking at the preseason depth chart, anyone else concerned with depth at NT?

Anyone know much about Ankou?


He was a UCLA DT. Three years ago, he weighed ~250 pounds. Today he weighs 330. The Texans have been look for depth to plug in the middle of the defense. He's a player who can play the nose, plus a three and five technique in their respective defensive fronts. At UCLA, he was known as a strong run-stopper.......something that the Texans value greatly. For a big man, he showed that he could move pretty darn well at 330 pounds. As an aside, as an Ottawa native, Ankou was the second-ranked prospect in the final version of the CFL’s scouting bureau.

His name caught my eye, as Ankou in Celtic folk lore which I've come across in my readings in college, is the Henchman of Death who carries a death omen. If he knocks at your door, expect to die. His description in some sources resembles my own avatar here on the MB. If he turns out to be something special, the legend of Ankou could certainly be personified as someone who could haunt an offense in more than one way. :spy:
 
It's not a bad thing it just strongly inflates numbers and stats. You have to take in to account that a large number of passes were completed at the line of scrimmage and behind the line of scrimmage and that inflates completion % and accuracy. Take in to account that with so many high percentage throws and TD to INT ratio is < 3 to 1 is a cause for concern, a red flag. I do believe you are sailing in the same boat as Ricky McNair, the "SS I DO Love ME Some Deshaun Watson" cruise.

I haven't followed this thread post by post, so it may be posted already, but what is the breakdown? I watched a lot of Watson, and sure they threw a lot of screens, but not near what you insinuate.

Can you give me a breakdown?
 
Extended Cut of Houston Texans Training Camp: Day Ten
An extended look at the Houston Texans 10 practice at The Greenbrier

Before addressing today's practice itself, which once again was a situational day as the team prepares for the trip to Carolina for their first preseason game of 2017, a couple of rookies have stood out to their teammates this camp.



Both Julien Davenport and Treston Decoud have turned heads during the team's preparation for the upcoming season and the locker room has been taking notice. Davenport and Decoud both arrived to Houston as draft picks and little was known about either of them. Their teammates have developed an appreciation for what each of them brings to the team.


Starting with Davenport, one player said that he is better than he initially thought and the small school product has been a nice surprise. Teammates like his long arms and how he is able to control pass rushers. Defensive players are taking time out to discuss with him how they attempt to gain the upper hand versus offensive lineman. Also, there has been talk of him being ahead of the curve when it comes to his craft. Davenport is making a strong impression on both sides of the ball and receives quite a bit of praise.


As for Decoud, one of his fellow defenders loves how big he is for a cornerback and called him a “tough win” when he lines up against receivers. His sheer size and movement skills have impressed teammates and they like what he can bring this year and the coming seasons.


The trio of Johnathan Joseph, Kareem Jackson, and Kevin Johnson remains firmly supplanted as the top three cornerbacks for the Texans. Their collective knowledge of the defense allows the coaches to shuffle in younger players to work next to them. The secondary essentially has extra coaches to help along the younger guys like Treston Decoud, Bryce Jones, and Dee Virgin from practice to practice. The newer players continue to pick veterans' brains as they work to understand route combinations and the overall look of the scheme.


Denzel Rice continues to have a strong camp and today he notched another interception on a pass to the corner of the end zone. Rice has looked more fluid as camp has gone on and continues to be a plus cover player. He is in the right place at the right time and with a year already in the system, he is gaining confidence as camp moves ahead.


With the injuries to the wide receiver depth chart, there is a chance for a new name to pop up. The lack of consistency from Devin Street, Dres Anderson, and Wendall Williams is causing the group to miss a big opportunity to find a roster spot. Street has not been consistent enough catching the football, while Anderson has struggled with drops and lining up. As for Williams, he has been limited on the field due to players in front of him getting them. The Texans appear to be working to find another wide receiver to go with DeAndre Hopkins, Braxton Miller, and Jaelen Strong.


Another hot spot for the Texans is the safety group and the efforts being made to find the right combination. Kurtis Drummond is starting to emerge as an option, especially given how well he compliments Andre Hal. Drummond is getting back his feel for the game after being placed on the Injured Reserve list last year. The Texans are working Marcus Gilchrist back slowly while trying to ensure he stays 100% healthy, but he is starting to do light field work with the defense. The safety group is something to watch moving forward and clearly an uneasy spot for the team.


There is plenty of discussion regarding the Texans offensive line and there are several facets to take into account. Chris Clark might be a better fit at left tackle because that was the position he played for the majority of his career. Clark was signed to be the swing tackle behind Duane Brown and Derek Newton but neither is currently on the team, forcing Clark to be one of the starters. Clark has better movement at left tackle and has held his own at that position this camp. The problem spot remains right tackle as Kendall Lamm and Breno Giacomini are getting the first crack at the spot. Both have had their struggles during camp. Lamm has been over matched more than once while Giacomini is trying to shake the rust off to get back into the swing of things coming off of his back injury. There is a reason the team brought in Austin Howard, trying to get him to commit, however it fell through with him going to Baltimore. There is no end in sight with the Duane Brown situation, leaving the Texans (who were depending on him being with the team) in a bad spot. The Texans are not going to budge for Brown’s demands and will conduct business as usual while looking for the right option for the team.
 
Starting with Davenport, one player said that he is better than he initially thought and the small school product has been a nice surprise. Teammates like his long arms and how he is able to control pass rushers. Defensive players are taking time out to discuss with him how they attempt to gain the upper hand versus offensive lineman. Also, there has been talk of him being ahead of the curve when it comes to his craft. Davenport is making a strong impression on both sides of the ball and receives quite a bit of praise.
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To get a player in the fourth round of the Draft with this potential coupled with early signs of progress at such an important and high-value position is great news, very encouraging.
 
Starting with Davenport, one player said that he is better than he initially thought and the small school product has been a nice surprise. Teammates like his long arms and how he is able to control pass rushers. Defensive players are taking time out to discuss with him how they attempt to gain the upper hand versus offensive lineman. Also, there has been talk of him being ahead of the curve when it comes to his craft. Davenport is making a strong impression on both sides of the ball and receives quite a bit of praise.
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To get a player in the fourth round of the Draft with this potential coupled with early signs of progress at such an important and high-value position is great news, very encouraging.
I find it encouraging also. I liked the comment about the defensive players teaching him some of the tricks of the defensive trade.
 
Really excited to see Davenport in live action. Sounds like his measurables already make him a better pass blocking option than the non Duane Brown OTs. Once his technique catches up look out!
 
Really excited to see Davenport in live action. Sounds like his measurables already make him a better pass blocking option than the non Duane Brown OTs. Once his technique catches up look out!
Absolutely, can't extend a guys arms or make him taller but they can make him stronger with strength training which is what he reportedly
needs to improve his run-blocking.
 
The Texans appear to be working to find another wide receiver to go with DeAndre Hopkins, Braxton Miller, and Jaelen Strong.
Dorial Green-Beckham is clearly the best WR available on the FA market. 2 teams in 2 years indicate issues, for sure. But, he has produced more than 3 WRs selected ahead of him in the 2015 draft (Perriman, Agholor, Dorsett). Not to mention Strong, who was drafted a round later. What's the harm of bringing in Green-Beckham and finding out how much he wants a NFL career?
 
Dorial Green-Beckham is clearly the best WR available on the FA market. 2 teams in 2 years indicate issues, for sure. But, he has produced more than 3 WRs selected ahead of him in the 2015 draft (Perriman, Agholor, Dorsett). Not to mention Strong, who was drafted a round later. What's the harm of bringing in Green-Beckham and finding out how much he wants a NFL career?

Great idea. Worth kicking the tires.
 
Dorial Green-Beckham is clearly the best WR available on the FA market. 2 teams in 2 years indicate issues, for sure. But, he has produced more than 3 WRs selected ahead of him in the 2015 draft (Perriman, Agholor, Dorsett). Not to mention Strong, who was drafted a round later. What's the harm of bringing in Green-Beckham and finding out how much he wants a NFL career?
Great idea. Worth kicking the tires.

He is a head case and lazy. Texans wont even consider him and they shouldnt
 
He is a head case and lazy. Texans wont even consider him and they shouldnt
They shouldn't if he is the best player available? Perhaps better than all but one receiver on the team? Sight unseen, dismiss him? That doesn't sound like a team doing everything they can to win.
 
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They shouldn't if he is the best player available. Perhaps better than all but one receiver on the team? Sight unseen, dismiss him? That doesn't sound like a team doing everything they can to win.
I would imagine that they have already done their homework on him and asked around the league about his issues. I have no proof of this, but if they haven't brought him in its likely because he has a bad rep and the front office has inside knowledge.

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I would imagine that they have already done their homework on him and asked around the league about his issues. I have no proof of this, but if they haven't brought him in its likely because he has a bad rep and the front office has inside knowledge.
I don't need inside knowledge to know that Green-Beckham has issues. And I don't need to ask around the league to know that he's the most productive WR not currently on a roster. Not bringing the guy in and doing their own "homework" seems, as DX-TEX might put it, lazy. It costs the team the price of a plane ticket.
 
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DGB would only take reps away from young players in need of reps. If we are to bring in someone i'd rather a vet that doesn't need a lot of reps. Not another young guy.
 
I don't need inside knowledge to know that Green-Beckham has issues. And I don't need to ask around the league to know that he's the most productive WR not currently on a roster. Not bringing the guy in and doing their own "homework" seems, as DX-TEX might put it, lazy. It costs the team the price of a plane ticket.
If the front office has talked to other teams and determined that the guy is a waste of time I'm perfectly okay not bringing him in.

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Dorial Green-Beckham is clearly the best WR available on the FA market. 2 teams in 2 years indicate issues, for sure. But, he has produced more than 3 WRs selected ahead of him in the 2015 draft (Perriman, Agholor, Dorsett). Not to mention Strong, who was drafted a round later. What's the harm of bringing in Green-Beckham and finding out how much he wants a NFL career?

In the eyes of most, he would be considered potential low risk high potential. Well, the Eagles let it be known that the main reason was that he was released is that he just wasn't that good. He had a terrible show during OTAs. Despite his ideal size (6'5" 237 pounds), he was said to not play up to his physical ability. didn't learn the playbook, refused to block, was more into putting in time in the nightclubs than in practicing and reviewing film. These were noted while he was with the Titans as well as the Eagles...........as was the fact that he was considered one dimensional with a total lack of route running ability..and with constant complaints of not getting the ball often enough. All these signs that he is just not smart/bright as a player..........or as a person.

But would the low risk high potential label be true with the Texans specifically? Let's say he comes in and makes the team with only an ultra short sample time left. Then he repeats the same "escapades" that he has shown in the past 2 years, a very likely scenario..................I believe that he would disrupt the chemistry and goals between our QB(s) and our WRs, TEs and even the RBs that seem to rebuilding. Not trying to be contrary, but I just don't see the low risk high potential, as his persistent problems throughout college, especially off field problems have followed him into the NFL. His "hardship" background, may not be something he will ever overcome as a Texan. The Texans unfortunately cannot turn all hardship cases into life miracles. Some may find this article quite sobering as to why I feel this way.:

Dorial Green-Beckham is riskiest player in NFL draft
 
In the eyes of most, he would be considered potential low risk high potential. Well, the Eagles let it be known that the main reason was that he was released is that he just wasn't that good. He had a terrible show during OTAs. Despite his ideal size (6'5" 237 pounds), he was said to not play up to his physical ability. didn't learn the playbook, refused to block, was more into putting in time in the nightclubs than in practicing and reviewing film. These were noted while he was with the Titans as well as the Eagles...........as was the fact that he was considered one dimensional with a total lack of route running ability..and with constant complaints of not getting the ball often enough. All these signs that he is just not smart/bright as a player..........or as a person.

But would the low risk high potential label be true with the Texans specifically? Let's say he comes in and makes the team with only an ultra short sample time left. Then he repeats the same "escapades" that he has shown in the past 2 years, a very likely scenario..................I believe that he would disrupt the chemistry and goals between our QB(s) and our WRs, TEs and even the RBs that seem to rebuilding. Not trying to be contrary, but I just don't see the low risk high potential, as his persistent problems throughout college, especially off field problems have followed him into the NFL. His "hardship" background, may not be something he will ever overcome as a Texan. The Texans unfortunately cannot turn all hardship cases into life miracles. Some may find this article quite sobering as to why I feel this way.:

Dorial Green-Beckham is riskiest player in NFL draft
....and there is the dose of reality...i concede.
 
Many people find him obnoxious.
Or maybe insufferable, I get that.
But it seems to me that before you can be considered to be a polorizing figure you must first be controversial and I don't think that's JJ Watt ?
I dunno maybe I don't get how others view him ? But I'm glad we have him but he's not my favorite player on the team, not even my favorite defensive player.
 
In the eyes of most, he would be considered potential low risk high potential. Well, the Eagles let it be known that the main reason was that he was released is that he just wasn't that good. He had a terrible show during OTAs. Despite his ideal size (6'5" 237 pounds), he was said to not play up to his physical ability. didn't learn the playbook, refused to block, was more into putting in time in the nightclubs than in practicing and reviewing film.
All of that might be right, I wasn't there. There is no disputing that Green-Beckham was traded by the Titans after one season (where he produced) and cut from the Eagles after one season. I'm not making an excuse for the guy, but he had to be disappointed going into OTAs 3rd string after the Eagles signed Alshon Jeffery and Torrey Smith. A mature player takes that as a challenge. An immature player will sulk, and that's probably what happened there.

The Texans are in a bad spot with the WR position. To be fair to them, they have invested heavily in draft picks at the position. And maybe Strong and Braxton Miller stay healthy and produce. But for all of Green-Beckham's worts, he has outplayed these guys in the NFL. And I don't believe his mere presence would destroy the Texans fragile chemistry. To me it's pretty simple. Bring in Green-Beckham and see what happens. If he plays as well as has the previous 2 season and keeps his nose clean, great. If he can't play or is trouble, give him the boot. I don't see a lot of options for this team.
 
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Or maybe insufferable, I get that.
But it seems to me that before you can be considered to be a polorizing figure you must first be controversial and I don't think that's JJ Watt ?
I dunno maybe I don't get how others view him ? But I'm glad we have him but he's not even my favorite player on the team, not even my favorite defensive player.

I think controversy would at the extreme sensational end of defining polarizing. But he has a wealth of opinions on him from both sides. A more passive definition of polarizing. Semantics all around but the point remains.

Meanwhile I share your gladness while I see how people could grow weary of him. Just different perspectives.
 
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I guess I feel people should save their condemnation for those who've earned it.

Are people really condemning him though? Or just saying the guy's come off kinda wicked obnoxious at times? There's no torch and pitchfork crowd that I'm aware of.
 
Are people really condemning him though? Or just saying the guy's come off kinda wicked obnoxious at times? There's no torch and pitchfork crowd that I'm aware of.

He annoys some people, because he seems too perfect. Fact is some people will always try to knock you down a notch.

I don't have a problem with him at all. He's living every man's dream and has taken full advantage of it..especially in the bedroom. He's basically been the defensive version of Tom Brady minus the commitment of a wedding ring. :)

You just have to chalk this one up to "Haters gonna Hate", but I honestly don't think he gives a crap and isn't going to stop being who he is. What he's done is also incredibly smart..he's used football to build his brand which will ensure him a wealthy income and career after football.
 
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You just have to chalk this one up to "Haters gonna Hate", but I honestly don't think he gives a crap and isn't going to stop being who he is. What he's done is also incredibly smart..he's used football to build his brand which will ensure him a wealthy income and career after football.
Not to mention that he's represented the community as a positive role model. Is he too public about his charity work? Maybe JJ is just trying to show other athletes how it should be done.
 
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He annoys some people, because he seems too perfect. Fact is some people will always try to knock you down a notch.

I don't have a problem with him at all. He's living every man's dream and has taken full advantage of it..especially in the bedroom. He's basically been the defensive version of Tom Brady minus the commitment of a wedding ring. :)

You just have to chalk this one up to "Haters gonna Hate", but I honestly don't think he gives a crap and isn't going to stop being who he is. What he's done is also incredibly smart..he's used football to build his brand which will ensure him a wealthy income and career after football.

I think it's simply the fact he's basically tried to 'brand' hard work. It's outside the realm of being a legit bad guy, and I think even his most aren't haters would tip their cap to him as a person, but they just grow a bit tired of his publicised thirst. It comes off forced and sort of disingenuous as a result. Like his minimalist work out dungeon he'd talked about, it was an unfortunate opportunity for people to try and call him out.
 
He annoys some people, because he seems too perfect. Fact is some people will always try to knock you down a notch.

I don't have a problem with him at all. He's living every man's dream and has taken full advantage of it..especially in the bedroom. He's basically been the defensive version of Tom Brady minus the commitment of a wedding ring. :)

You just have to chalk this one up to "Haters gonna Hate", but I honestly don't think he gives a crap and isn't going to stop being who he is. What he's done is also incredibly smart..he's used football to build his brand which will ensure him a wealthy income and career after football.

The way I see it is , I don't care why he does what he does , at least he's doing it . As far as his lady friends go , if you can hit the buffet of life but chose not to , that's your problem . I believe I would have many helpings .
 
People can become incapable of even the most benign criticism of those they root hardest for. I thought that was obvious when I mentioned blind fandom.
Blind to what? Busting his arse and kicking everyone else's? Being a role model? As I said, the criticism says more about the critic.
 
The difference between now and 10 years ago is we now live in the "twittersphere". There's so alot more options for self promoting/messaging if players decide to do it and alot in this younger generation have which also opens them up for more opportunities for criticism. It is what it is and we can't close Pandora's box.. wish we could, Trump has made me want to blow up Twitter's headquarters.
 
Some think JJ is great. Others believe he is the greatest.
And there's some that don't even believe he is the Texans best dlineman. I am betting that Rick Smith as well as most other GM would take a healthy Clowney over a healthy Watt. Watt's tendency to freelance to get his numbers has hurt the Texans in the past. Unfortunately the soft local media will protect him.
 
And there's some that don't even believe he is the Texans best dlineman. I am betting that Rick Smith as well as most other GM would take a healthy Clowney over a healthy Watt. Watt's tendency to freelance to get his numbers has hurt the Texans in the past. Unfortunately the soft local media will protect him.

And Watt's tendency to free lance has also greatly helped the defense as well too with huge game changing plays, but let's just forget about all of those. :rolleyes: Fact is, if the Texans coaching staff (including the last staff) didn't want Watt to free lance, then he wouldn't be, so obviously they see the big play payoff.

We didn't have a dominant defense until Watt got here. He and Cushing were the one's who helped change the culture on that side of the ball..now we have other players come in and continue what they started.
 
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And there's some that don't even believe he is the Texans best dlineman. I am betting that Rick Smith as well as most other GM would take a healthy Clowney over a healthy Watt. Watt's tendency to freelance to get his numbers has hurt the Texans in the past. Unfortunately the soft local media will protect him.
I've been one of Clowney's biggest fans since he was drafted here. I think this could be the year he breaks out and becomes the superstar many foresaw. But there's not a team in the league that would take a heathly Clowney over a healthy Watt. That's a joke.
 
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