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2017 Houston Texans Official OTA's, Minicamp, and Training Camp Thread
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They said they drafted him because he won in college
Texansballer74
The Marine
I don't believe nothing Pats says when it's concerning our current quarterbacks. It is very obvious to me that he is in Savage's corner.
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CloakNNNdagger
Hall of Fame
You are corect!....typo omission........MY mistake.
TexansBull
Hall of Fame
sandman
Brexit Advisor
What's the ploy?
sucks!! he wont even be able to work on his hands for two months. might ass well put him on IR.
TexansBull
Hall of Fame
Buy tickets to come see a Texans game featuring a college winning QB that may or may not be any good. And buy a jersey while you are at even though we don't know how he will do. And buy more Texans stuff because we could win with him in the future. Because he did win in college and that means something - am I right? You know it! Superbowl! Championship!
Some have already bought into this line of thinking.
Unproven college players rarely translate to the NFL. Unproven college QBs that have found success in the NFL has to a tiny group, if it exists at all. Having success in college seems to be the bare minimum quality to put on your QB resume.
Then there's Tom Savage. Who has probably the weakest college resume of any QB currently in the NFL. So he's got that going for him.
Well don't forget that he won the high school championship too, as Rick mentioned.
33-5 in college and great in the clutch in college, according to Bill OBrien. Even in the ACC. When the chips were down, he led the team to victory.
edromeo
Rookie
Could you kindly support those statements?
I'm not sure who you mean by 'kool aid drinkers' but I am one of the people that disproved most if not all the claims you made. Yes. Disproved. Not excuses. Actual proof that disproved your claims.
Texian
Hall of Fame
Passing yards per completion, Watson ranked #72, so yes he was a dink and dunker: http://www.ncaa.com/stats/football/fbs/current/individual/740/p2
He had 32 INTs so yes that does bring in to question his decision making, especially when playing in a spread offense surrounded by enormous amount of talent.
That would be a good example of an unproven college player.
xtruroyaltyx
Hall of Fame
I was not a big Watson fan. Hoping for the best though...
But, those kinds of stats in college are hard to really put a lot of stock into because of the variance in competition and you have sooooo many teams...
Take a guy like Mahomes who most would not consider a dink and dunker...He was only ranked 40 and he only averaged 1 more yard/completion than Watson...
Then there are other things to consider like YAC...Guys getting a ton of YAC helps the yards per completion.
If you aren't getting YAC with WR's like Willams/Renfroe/Hopkins/Watkins etc.... there are much deeper issues.
xtruroyaltyx
Hall of Fame
Hopkins and Watkins were in the NFL last year and I didn't say that they struggled to get YAC.
What I said was that if other guys are getting a ton of YAC it helps their QB's ypc.
TexansBull
Hall of Fame
We need to give Vince Young another chance.
Texian
Hall of Fame
The low ranking says as much about O as it does the QB, most of the passes were < 5 yds, that's pretty cut and dried.
32 INTs is a real head scratcher and a BIG red flag and question about decision making, no denying that.
Texian
Hall of Fame
He performs well on the BIG stage. [sarcasm]
Texian
Hall of Fame
And if they are getting good YAC what does that say about the low ranking? Those YAC make the low ranking even worse?
I'm not dismissing Watson's scouting report, & I didn't dismiss Osseiler's. The prospect is what he is, malleable clay. Whether O'b was asked his input on these guys or not isn't important to me. What can he do with them, that's my question.
So far, doesn't look like he can do very much with them. If that trend continues I expect hi to be gone & replaced. Hopefully with someone who can get on the same page with Rick & Bob... the Texans.
Although Matt Cassel looked fine in KC with Charlie Weis
xtruroyaltyx
Hall of Fame
What I was saying was that I don't know about their YAC in comparison to other teams, but unless you go through and look at that along with some other factors it's hard to really look at that number in a vacuum and make definitive statements about it.
Not to be argumentative, but wasn't Derek Carr a dink & dunker? Does the college system define the prospect?
Brisco_County
Apples and roadmaps
From Pat Starr:
So about mid October.
So about mid October.
Brisco_County
Apples and roadmaps
I imagine that press access at camp may be more exclusive this year, so I think Starr tries to avoid biting the hand that feeds him. I noticed that he tends to avoid addressing an elephant in the room like Watt's conspicuous absence from most camp reports last week (Starr's tweet to me about it: "Watt is present in drills.")
But now that O'Brien has publicly addressed the subject, and there's some good news to report today, he's all over it:
And this next part makes me giddy. Not as giddy as a schoolboy, since I'm a grown man, but giddy:
Here's the rest of his Quick Hitters for Day 7:
Link
But now that O'Brien has publicly addressed the subject, and there's some good news to report today, he's all over it:
And this next part makes me giddy. Not as giddy as a schoolboy, since I'm a grown man, but giddy:
Here's the rest of his Quick Hitters for Day 7:
Link
Flyingfish
Waterboy
Lucky said, "Then there's Tom Savage. Who has probably the weakest college resume of any QB currently in the NFL." Actually, his 3 yrs of playing is compares quite favorably to a current starting QB in the NFL...
Doesn't make Savage the next Brady, but it does show that his college years were as productive as a top level, current NFL QB's were.
· Tom Brady college career
Passing Table
Passing
Year School Conf Class Pos G Cmp Att Pct Yds Y/A AY/A TD Int Rate
1996 Michigan Big Ten QB 2 3 5 60 26 5.2 -3.8 0 1 63.7
1997 Michigan Big Ten QB 4 12 15 80 103 6.9 6.9 0 0 137.7
1998 Michigan Big Ten QB 12 200 323 61.9 2427 7.5 7 14 10 133.1
1999 Michigan Big Ten QB 11 180 295 61 2217 7.5 7.7 16 6 138
Career Michigan 395 638 61.9 4773 7.5 7.2 30 17 134.9
· Tom Savage college career
Passing Table
Passing
Year School Conf Class Pos G Cmp Att Pct Yds Y/A AY/A TD Int Rate
*2009 Rutgers Big East FR QB 12 149 285 52.3 2211 7.8 7.6 14 7 128.7
2010 Rutgers Big East SO QB 6 43 83 51.8 521 6.3 5.1 2 3 105.3
*2013 Pitt ACC SR QB 13 238 389 61.2 2958 7.6 7.6 21 9 138.2
Career Overall 430 757 56.8 5690 7.5 7.4 37 19 131.1
Doesn't make Savage the next Brady, but it does show that his college years were as productive as a top level, current NFL QB's were.
· Tom Brady college career
Passing Table
Passing
Year School Conf Class Pos G Cmp Att Pct Yds Y/A AY/A TD Int Rate
1996 Michigan Big Ten QB 2 3 5 60 26 5.2 -3.8 0 1 63.7
1997 Michigan Big Ten QB 4 12 15 80 103 6.9 6.9 0 0 137.7
1998 Michigan Big Ten QB 12 200 323 61.9 2427 7.5 7 14 10 133.1
1999 Michigan Big Ten QB 11 180 295 61 2217 7.5 7.7 16 6 138
Career Michigan 395 638 61.9 4773 7.5 7.2 30 17 134.9
· Tom Savage college career
Passing Table
Passing
Year School Conf Class Pos G Cmp Att Pct Yds Y/A AY/A TD Int Rate
*2009 Rutgers Big East FR QB 12 149 285 52.3 2211 7.8 7.6 14 7 128.7
2010 Rutgers Big East SO QB 6 43 83 51.8 521 6.3 5.1 2 3 105.3
*2013 Pitt ACC SR QB 13 238 389 61.2 2958 7.6 7.6 21 9 138.2
Career Overall 430 757 56.8 5690 7.5 7.4 37 19 131.1
kiwitexansfan
Hall of Fame
You'd hope a healthy JJ would be turning Giacomini into ground beef.
You're quoting 1990's stats with 2010's stats. Brady's 61% completion percentage led the Big 10 in 1999. His 138 passing efficiency also led the league. Similar numbers by Savage in 2013 were middle of the pack in the ACC. A different game.
But yeah, Brady is the greatest anomaly in the history of the game. And that's what a successful Savage would be. An anomaly.
TexansBull
Hall of Fame
You are quoting two people who haven't had success at developing or finding a QB. Had they had prior success their quotes may hold water.
sandman
Brexit Advisor
We've got a poster on here who waited 5 years to finally get season tickets. The thought that Watson was drafted expressly to sell more tickets and buy more merch is simply a ridiculous projection on your part of your opinion of McNair and Smith.
TexansBull
Hall of Fame
I never said that Watson was expressly drafted to sell more tickets. I was saying that the Texans were talking him up and making him sound better than sliced bread because it helps their multiple causes with one of those being to keep the fans invested.
But hey - you keep basing your facts on what one random person says he did on the internet to represent the entire Texans fan base.
xtruroyaltyx
Hall of Fame
Selling tickets and merch is definitely a part of the decision making process. But it's not the only or even primary factor.
Jerry is notoriously considered an attention and media wbore but even he passed on Manziel.
From a marketing standpoint it wouldn't have gotten much better for the Texans or Cowboys to pick Manziel. You know how much of an attention boost they'd have gotten???
Not to mention they also passed on VY. Two clear examples of them making football moves.
Somebody really liked Watson as a player and long term solution. Make no doubt about it. That move was clearly about football.
Jerry is notoriously considered an attention and media wbore but even he passed on Manziel.
From a marketing standpoint it wouldn't have gotten much better for the Texans or Cowboys to pick Manziel. You know how much of an attention boost they'd have gotten???
Not to mention they also passed on VY. Two clear examples of them making football moves.
Somebody really liked Watson as a player and long term solution. Make no doubt about it. That move was clearly about football.
Fred
Veteran
Texian can't tell the difference between Dan Marino and Johnny Manziel (by his definition they are both classic Pure Pocket Passers). Yet you care what he thinks about QBs?
xtruroyaltyx
Hall of Fame
Maybe he's actually doing well?
TexansBull
Hall of Fame
And you are probably right. I just wouldn't put too much faith in Rick or OB statements in preseason and for a number of other reasons.
It's the pre pre-season. Every team is a division winner... and a cellar dweller
except the Pats
Brisco_County
Apples and roadmaps
Listening to Starr's podcast, he addresses this. The media has an agreement to not report sensitive information like who doesn't appear 100% healthy, or trickeration plays, or players changing up positions (like Watt practicing at TE). I guess that's a no-brainer anyway.
If you're thirsty for more knowledge on camp, I recommend Starr's podcast. There's actually a lot of substance, and he explains things that aren't in camp reports. Here are some key points:
- Watson shouldn't be compared to Savage; he should be compared to Fitzpatrick, Hoyer, Osweiler, or rookie Savage. Compared to them, way ahead.
- Watson has a knack for correcting mistakes. One day he threw flat footed, next day his feet and mechanics were improved.
- Past O'Brien camps felt disjointed. This one is tightly controlled and fluid. Players know where to be and what to do.
- One reason for disjointed offensive practices was Godsey. O'Brien runs offensive drills much better. Always yelling, holding guys accountable, correcting mistakes immediately instead of in the film room.
- Most physical camp in last four years. Also less water and shade breaks. This recovers a lot of lost time.
- Treston Decoud is every bit of 6'3", long and rangey. Jams fast receivers off routes. For comparison, Jalon Ramsey is 6'1" and considered huge at CB.
- D'Onta Foreman has exceeded expectations. Surprised at his long speed. He can get into the teeth of the defense, but needs to drop his pad level. If he can one-cut you, he's gone.
- Cunningham needs to quit arm tackling, learn to NFL tackle. But his speed is unparalleled. RB's should not try to bounce outside on him.
- For a weak OT draft class, thoroughly impressed that Houston got Davenport. Coaches are testing him. Needs work in the run game, but can immobilize the best pass rushers using his long arms. Needs a lot of work, but may be rotated in at RT.
- This draft class has way more preseason potential since any he can remember.
- Nick Martin is easily the best offensive lineman in the group. Makes linemen around him better. Opens up holes, could even be better than Duane Brown.
- Hopkins is back to his old self. A lot more focused.
- People have been asking him (like me) why such little reporting about Watt. They're letting him work in positional groups, but in full contact, there's no reason to put him out there.
- They had to yank Clowney from a team drill because the offense couldn't get anything done.
- McKinney is an animal. Lit up Foreman three times to remind him to drop his pad level.
- Riley McCarron is an ideal back up to Braxton Miller. Way more athletic than given credit for. Trucked a DB today after the catch.
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Some details are expected.
Some, IMO, are little fluff pieces by a member of the media (tending to pump the positives).
Like JB (I think) said, every team looks like Champs at this time of the year.
Something to fill the void of the offseason, I guess.
Texian
Hall of Fame
Derek Carr scouting report read quite a bit differently than Watson's starting with his arm, accuracy and he didn't have the INT problem, his TD to INT ratio was 6 to 1 NOT < 3 to 1.
Anyone that disagrees with his narrative.
PapaL
Loose Screw
Watson: 2014-2016
https://www.sports-reference.com/cfb/players/deshaun-watson-1.html
Hopkins: 2010-2012
https://www.sports-reference.com/cfb/players/deandre-hopkins-1.html
Watkins: 2011-2013
https://www.sports-reference.com/cfb/players/sammy-watkins-1.html
Hunter Renfro: 2015-2016
https://www.sports-reference.com/cfb/players/hunter-renfrow-1.html
Mike Williams: 2013-2016
https://www.sports-reference.com/cfb/players/mike-williams-17.html
For a weak OT draft class, thoroughly impressed that Houston got Davenport. Coaches are testing him. Needs work in the run game, but can immobilize the best pass rushers using his long arms. Needs a lot of work, but may be rotated in at RT.
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Ok so that's what I'm talking about.
This is from Starr's podcast and I'm really looking forward to getting atleast a quick look-see at Davenport in his first real game time NFL action in Charlotte next week.
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Ok so that's what I'm talking about.
This is from Starr's podcast and I'm really looking forward to getting atleast a quick look-see at Davenport in his first real game time NFL action in Charlotte next week.
It sounds like we got some darn good prospects for the draft picks we didn't trade away.
Foreman, Cunningham, Decoud, not to mention Martin sound promising. Davenport too.
Tired of hearing the "it was Godseys fault" excuse though.
Is the more physical camp why Fuller got hurt?
Foreman, Cunningham, Decoud, not to mention Martin sound promising. Davenport too.
Tired of hearing the "it was Godseys fault" excuse though.
Is the more physical camp why Fuller got hurt?
Extended Cut of Houston Texans Training Camp: Day Seven
A new named emerged for the Texans today and it was that of rookie wide receiver, Chris Thompson. Thompson was Deshaun Watson’s go to target today and he made some tough contested catches in team drills. The first reception came on a route towards the boundary. Thompson went up and snagged the pass to get two feet in during a game like situation. The next ball he caught was an over-the-shoulder reception on a well-placed ball from Watson which occurred after Thompson beat his man to the corner of the end zone. Thompson has been quiet to this point but he was the latest of the young wide receivers to make his mark.
Cornerback Bryce Jones is showing some life on the field and it starts with his ability to break on the route and swiftly get to the ball. If there is one thing that the Texans value, it is defensive backs planting their foot on the ground and driving through routes. Jones has slowly been working his craft and making his mark from the technique side of the game.
Ryan Griffin was a pass catching machine today at practice, putting stress on the defense in the middle of the field. He beat both man and zone coverages, opening up a strong target for his quarterbacks. Griffin had issues reeling the ball in earlier in camp but he has evened out his play and become a reliable target once again.
The safety group had a strong day and bothAndre Haland K.J. Dillon were solid in pass coverage. Each player had a pass break up against a tight end. Dillon wrestled a ball away after it initially looked like a catch, while Hal impeded a pass for a tight end up the seam after a good play action look from the offense. Hal has been letting some receivers get behind him in the passing game but this was a good sign that Hal could stay on top of this route. There are plenty of questions at the safety position and it is lining up for one of the more intriguing battles of camp.
Kevin Johnsoncontinues to be a physical player and sometimes, he knows how to push the buttons of receivers on the field. Johnson is not afraid of contact and if he has a chance to body up a receiver when they have the football coming to them, he is going to play physical.y. He practices like he plays and that nature gets the defense going. He set the tone early after he hitBraxton Millercatching a pass, stunning him on the sideline. A little talk ensued and the defense rallied around Johnson for the hit. Johnson is the spark plug for the defense and it seems that he always knows how to get the unit dialed in.
Akeem Huntis an interesting player for the Texans, especially given everything he can do. The Texans like Hunt’s ability to give them a change up on the offensive side of the ball, but his value at the moment lies on special teams, particularly in returning kicks. On the offense, Hunt is utilized more in the passing game out of the backfield and catches the ball at a high level. With a loaded depth chart, Hunt is going to have to show his worth at all levels. The Texans need to get creative with their roster to find a way to keep him, but he has value as a player on game day.
Denzel Ricehas been steady in coverage and has had a strong camp. He is not giving up many catches and has a little more speed than expected to get on top of routes. Today, Rice had a vertical route come at him and was able to flip his hips and control the receiver, leaving no room for the quarterback to fit the ball in. Rice is in a battle with Bryce Jones, Dee Virgin, andMarcus Robersonfor a spot at cornerback.
Julién Davenport remains one to watch and it comes with how raw he is at the game. One minute he does not move well in the run game while on the next play, he shows some ability to move the pile. When his technique is good, Davenport demonstrates that he can pass set with the best of them but when the speed is turned up on him, he struggles with his technique and is easy to get past. Davenport is further along than expected, especially in pass protection, and as he gets work at both offensive tackle spots, he looks a little more comfortable on the left side.
Dylan Colehad an interception today in 7-on-7 drills, continuing a strong camp for the rookie. Right now, Cole’s athleticism is making the most difference in pass defense. He is making plays in that department. Cole is a go-getter and it is showing on the field. There is more out there for Cole to display, primarily being consistent in the run game.
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http://scout.com/nfl/texans/Article/Extended-Cut-of-Houston-Texans-Training-Camp-Day-Seven-105743445
A new named emerged for the Texans today and it was that of rookie wide receiver, Chris Thompson. Thompson was Deshaun Watson’s go to target today and he made some tough contested catches in team drills. The first reception came on a route towards the boundary. Thompson went up and snagged the pass to get two feet in during a game like situation. The next ball he caught was an over-the-shoulder reception on a well-placed ball from Watson which occurred after Thompson beat his man to the corner of the end zone. Thompson has been quiet to this point but he was the latest of the young wide receivers to make his mark.
Cornerback Bryce Jones is showing some life on the field and it starts with his ability to break on the route and swiftly get to the ball. If there is one thing that the Texans value, it is defensive backs planting their foot on the ground and driving through routes. Jones has slowly been working his craft and making his mark from the technique side of the game.
Ryan Griffin was a pass catching machine today at practice, putting stress on the defense in the middle of the field. He beat both man and zone coverages, opening up a strong target for his quarterbacks. Griffin had issues reeling the ball in earlier in camp but he has evened out his play and become a reliable target once again.
The safety group had a strong day and bothAndre Haland K.J. Dillon were solid in pass coverage. Each player had a pass break up against a tight end. Dillon wrestled a ball away after it initially looked like a catch, while Hal impeded a pass for a tight end up the seam after a good play action look from the offense. Hal has been letting some receivers get behind him in the passing game but this was a good sign that Hal could stay on top of this route. There are plenty of questions at the safety position and it is lining up for one of the more intriguing battles of camp.
Kevin Johnsoncontinues to be a physical player and sometimes, he knows how to push the buttons of receivers on the field. Johnson is not afraid of contact and if he has a chance to body up a receiver when they have the football coming to them, he is going to play physical.y. He practices like he plays and that nature gets the defense going. He set the tone early after he hitBraxton Millercatching a pass, stunning him on the sideline. A little talk ensued and the defense rallied around Johnson for the hit. Johnson is the spark plug for the defense and it seems that he always knows how to get the unit dialed in.
Akeem Huntis an interesting player for the Texans, especially given everything he can do. The Texans like Hunt’s ability to give them a change up on the offensive side of the ball, but his value at the moment lies on special teams, particularly in returning kicks. On the offense, Hunt is utilized more in the passing game out of the backfield and catches the ball at a high level. With a loaded depth chart, Hunt is going to have to show his worth at all levels. The Texans need to get creative with their roster to find a way to keep him, but he has value as a player on game day.
Denzel Ricehas been steady in coverage and has had a strong camp. He is not giving up many catches and has a little more speed than expected to get on top of routes. Today, Rice had a vertical route come at him and was able to flip his hips and control the receiver, leaving no room for the quarterback to fit the ball in. Rice is in a battle with Bryce Jones, Dee Virgin, andMarcus Robersonfor a spot at cornerback.
Julién Davenport remains one to watch and it comes with how raw he is at the game. One minute he does not move well in the run game while on the next play, he shows some ability to move the pile. When his technique is good, Davenport demonstrates that he can pass set with the best of them but when the speed is turned up on him, he struggles with his technique and is easy to get past. Davenport is further along than expected, especially in pass protection, and as he gets work at both offensive tackle spots, he looks a little more comfortable on the left side.
Dylan Colehad an interception today in 7-on-7 drills, continuing a strong camp for the rookie. Right now, Cole’s athleticism is making the most difference in pass defense. He is making plays in that department. Cole is a go-getter and it is showing on the field. There is more out there for Cole to display, primarily being consistent in the run game.
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http://scout.com/nfl/texans/Article/Extended-Cut-of-Houston-Texans-Training-Camp-Day-Seven-105743445
PapaL
Loose Screw
21 observations from #TexansCamp: Day 7
http://www.houstontexans.com/news/a...mp-Day-7/278187de-5d09-4fd8-8aff-257ac2d11287
4. Now, the good news and that comes in the form of 99, J.J. Watt. We were on the air this morning on radio when he came bounding out of the locker room in full pads for practice. I thought I saw Marc Vandermeer dance a little jig and, sure, I was giddy myself, if I’m being honest. His presence makes such a difference for this defense, especially the day after the offense won the day on Tuesday.
5. After practice, he and Jadeveon Clowney posed for pictures and signed autographs for a group of military members and I couldn’t help but think back to what I’ve said for a while “just give me/us one year with both of those jokers fully, 100% healthy and see what happens.”
8. As I look at my notes, one play really stood out early in practice and that was a catch and run by Will Fuller V that showcased the speed that this Texans offense needs on the perimeter. Unfortunately, his injury happened a few plays later.
16. I don’t really know how to describe defensive tackle D.J. Reader. Executive Vice President and General Manager Rick Smith told us he was a better pass rusher and overall player than even he anticipated but man, that young man is a spinning, dodging, dancing, whirling dervish inside. There was a guy who tweeted to me last year wondering why Reader didn’t sack the quarterback more and I told him, he was impacting the pass rush more than it appeared. He showed during 1-on-1s that he’s ready to take another step as a complete interior player, not just a nose tackle.
http://www.houstontexans.com/news/a...mp-Day-7/278187de-5d09-4fd8-8aff-257ac2d11287
4. Now, the good news and that comes in the form of 99, J.J. Watt. We were on the air this morning on radio when he came bounding out of the locker room in full pads for practice. I thought I saw Marc Vandermeer dance a little jig and, sure, I was giddy myself, if I’m being honest. His presence makes such a difference for this defense, especially the day after the offense won the day on Tuesday.
5. After practice, he and Jadeveon Clowney posed for pictures and signed autographs for a group of military members and I couldn’t help but think back to what I’ve said for a while “just give me/us one year with both of those jokers fully, 100% healthy and see what happens.”
8. As I look at my notes, one play really stood out early in practice and that was a catch and run by Will Fuller V that showcased the speed that this Texans offense needs on the perimeter. Unfortunately, his injury happened a few plays later.
16. I don’t really know how to describe defensive tackle D.J. Reader. Executive Vice President and General Manager Rick Smith told us he was a better pass rusher and overall player than even he anticipated but man, that young man is a spinning, dodging, dancing, whirling dervish inside. There was a guy who tweeted to me last year wondering why Reader didn’t sack the quarterback more and I told him, he was impacting the pass rush more than it appeared. He showed during 1-on-1s that he’s ready to take another step as a complete interior player, not just a nose tackle.
Texansballer74
The Marine
Matt Ryan, Winston and several other QB'S had interceptions issues in college. They are playing damn good in the NFL. Peyton lit up the league his rookie year with 28 interceptions and went on to have an HOF career. Brett Favre was a interceptions machine but still had an HOF career. Man get off the interceptions drivel please.
On the big stage his decision making was top notch and thats all that matter. Go see his performances against Alabama last season and the year before.