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Carr to Oakland?

threetoedpete said:
Agreed: Sage, Quinn whoever, will just be the next in a very long list of guys who gets tied to the whipping post in Houston. Real easy to judas goat folks when you have people arguing in here that Salaam and Black are long term answers and high end NFL tallent in here. Said it before , will not be shocked if DC makes it to the super bowl before the Texans.
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DC in the Super Bowl??!!!! hahahhahaha. good one. more like Grey Cup
 
Well if he does go to Oakland, good luck to him.

I'm not a Carr hater, but I'm certainly tired of hearing everybody complain about him. I think this is best for both sides. Now let's find something else to argue about. What will be next, Sage over Schuab? Schuab makes the line look bad?
 
I dunno what's going to happen now, but if what you're saying is true, I wish David the best. I truly hope he does succeed because I think he can still play, it just wasn't meant to be here I guess. Good luck
 
Hulk75 said:
A little bird tells me.:) Oakland wants Carr pretty bad so that they can draft Calvin Johnson. I also have heard that a deal is ready to go but the Texans are dragging their feet (shocker), cause all the deals with Plummer, Garcia and Ramsey did not go through, so they are not going to deal untill they know they have a QB. AND for all that want Carr gone.............The Raiders said that they will not wait untill the draft for Houston to make up their minds, they want it done before hand. I also heard that the Texans do not really want to trade him but feel they kind have to.
So like usuall dont shoot the messanger, but believe what you like.
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Hulk my question is will you still come back here and talk on this site? or after david is gone so are you? Hope to see you back not matter what happens.
 
4Texans said:
Yes, but a very similar scenario, wouldn't you agree?
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No, plunk wasnt that bad becuse he took a team or two too the playoffs and was a backup for the niners before he went to oakland where he was riding the pine an injury made him step in. Carr would start in oakland and would be there franchise QB.
 
Vinny said:
Teams break film down to form their opinions....they don't base their talent evaluations around popularity contests. Carr's talent is what it is...I can't believe we are making excuses about his trade worth too. What is it about Carr that makes people want to bust into excuses? Unreal stuff.
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Teams take note of clubhouse situations for sure. If you can't buy into that, then I don't know what to tell you...I don't think video alone tells the whole story, thus the need for palyer interviews. When you hear someone's teammates critique a player's abilities, it carries weight in terms of their leadership and how well a player will fit into the new clubhouse environment.
 
Tha rizzock said:
No, plunk wasnt that bad becuse he took a team or two too the playoffs and was a backup for the niners before he went to oakland where he was riding the pine an injury made him step in. Carr would start in oakland and would be there franchise QB.
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http://www.hickoksports.com/biograph/plunkettjim.shtml

IMO, there are some similarities there....... it would not surprise me to see the Raiders and Carr have some success together.
 
Hulk75 said:
A little bird tells me.:) Oakland wants Carr pretty bad so that they can draft Calvin Johnson. I also have heard that a deal is ready to go but the Texans are dragging their feet (shocker), cause all the deals with Plummer, Garcia and Ramsey did not go through, so they are not going to deal untill they know they have a QB. AND for all that want Carr gone.............The Raiders said that they will not wait untill the draft for Houston to make up their minds, they want it done before hand. I also heard that the Texans do not really want to trade him but feel they kind have to.
So like usuall dont shoot the messanger, but believe what you like.
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Thanks for the info.
 
So folks, what do you like about David Carr? What dont you like about Carr?

I know he has had a lot on his plate, considering he was the franchises 1st draft pick, and as a QB -- had to take the expansion club on his shoulders. A lot of pressure, plus the beatings he took his intial years here behind a bad OL probably didnt help.

Let a Raider fan know.

Regards,

RaiderInNY
 
kcwilson said:
Teams take note of clubhouse situations for sure. If you can't buy into that, then I don't know what to tell you...I don't think video alone tells the whole story, thus the need for palyer interviews. When you hear someone's teammates critique a player's abilities, it carries weight in terms of their leadership and how well a player will fit into the new clubhouse environment.
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If that player was performing on the field there'd be nothing to "critique"...Not even T.O's teammates come out and say he needs to go and his personality is waaaaaaaaaay more overbearing...BUT He's a beast on the field so as long as he's on the team, the fellas have his back...

Two guys have come out and said David hasn't done enough...and a third did all BUT say it...

So once again it all boils down to....what they do on the field...ding, ding, ding...


I don't understand what your point is...

David is gone because he sucked on the field....It really has nothing to do with how he interacted with his teammates
 
kcwilson said:
Teams take note of clubhouse situations for sure. If you can't buy into that, then I don't know what to tell you...I don't think video alone tells the whole story, thus the need for palyer interviews. When you hear someone's teammates critique a player's abilities, it carries weight in terms of their leadership and how well a player will fit into the new clubhouse environment.
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1 TD in non garbage time in the last ten games.....that speaks loud enough.
 
Hulk75 said:
A little bird tells me.:) Oakland wants Carr pretty bad so that they can draft Calvin Johnson. I also have heard that a deal is ready to go but the Texans are dragging their feet (shocker), cause all the deals with Plummer, Garcia and Ramsey did not go through, so they are not going to deal untill they know they have a QB. AND for all that want Carr gone.............The Raiders said that they will not wait untill the draft for Houston to make up their minds, they want it done before hand. I also heard that the Texans do not really want to trade him but feel they kind have to.
So like usuall dont shoot the messanger, but believe what you like.
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They have to get rid of him because he's held us back for way too many years.

Good Riddance to Carr!
 
Vinny said:
1 TD in non garbage time in the last ten games.....that speaks loud enough.
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Looking at it today is a lot different than looking at it last week. Last week, I was way more forgiving of it. I guess that's the glory of being presented with options.

I'm starting to warm up to this trade real quick.
 
RaiderInNY said:
So folks, what do you like about David Carr? What dont you like about Carr?

I know he has had a lot on his plate, considering he was the franchises 1st draft pick, and as a QB -- had to take the expansion club on his shoulders. A lot of pressure, plus the beatings he took his intial years here behind a bad OL probably didnt help.

Let a Raider fan know.

Regards,

RaiderInNY
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Plusses -

Good arm, and can make all the throws required of an NFL QB.

Very durable and tough, physical QB. Takes a licking and keeps on ticking.

Underrated athlete with very good running ability, and can pick up a lot of first downs on the move.

Throws well when using designed rollouts and other situations where he is on the move.

When a play is executed as designed, can usually do a decent job and deliver the ball on target.

Negatives -

Tends to lock in on one target. He usually looks to WR#1, and if he is not immediately open, then instantly checks down to his RB or other safety valve.

Has trouble reading defenses and coverages, and has been espeically bad against cover 2 defenses

Does not feel pressure well, and doesn't do a good job of sliding and moving within the pocket.

If his protection breaks down early, it's over, as he cannot improvise and make the throw, almost always either taking a sack or takes off running, rather than trying to slide and find a secondary target who may have flashed open.

Very skittish in the pocket and seems to feel pressure that is not there at times. Looks like a nervous nelly wondering where the next hit is coming from.

Not much of a leader. More of a follower type. Quiet, unassuming nice guy may be miscast in the wrong role.

Not a student of the game, nor truly dedicated like the greats of the game are. Family is #1, and football second.

Not very cerebal for the QB position, and doesn't have good instincts at the position.

Has a somewhat mechanical feel about him, as if he is overcoached. He does not look natural in his play or in the pocket.

Along with that, does not sell the play fake very well, and it is easily diagnosed by opposing teams imo.

Conclusion - Has all of the physical tools you are looking for and little else. His problems are in the intangibles/mental/intangibles part of the game, along with poor overall instincts. If he can somehow turn into a real leader and get the mental part to catch up to the physical part, he could still be a decent to good QB. In his current state, he (imo) is in the bottom 2-3 of all NFL starters.
 
RaiderInNY said:
So folks, what do you like about David Carr? What dont you like about Carr?

I know he has had a lot on his plate, considering he was the franchises 1st draft pick, and as a QB -- had to take the expansion club on his shoulders. A lot of pressure, plus the beatings he took his intial years here behind a bad OL probably didnt help.

Let a Raider fan know.

Regards,

RaiderInNY
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two words, happy feet

I also don't understand why after 5 years he can't stop locking in on his first option even when it's clearly not there for him.

You got to love his arm and mobility, only Vick and VY have better legs and Carr has a huge arm.

He is a nice guy and I hope it works out for him
 
wow i'm glad some of ya'll are not in charge of selling carr to other teams...cause ya'll would be horrible at it

i mean the trade to oakland makes a lot of sense for both carr and the raiders

it would be a homecoming for carr and he wouldn't have to hear anymore about how the team he's playing for passed on vince young

the raiders typically like more veteran QB's than young rookies

they still don't really know what they have in andrew walter and this move would give them more time to find out...plus with carr's mobility he's better suited to move around instead of staying in the pocket which is probably something they're going to have to do

and this trade allows them to select calvin johnson...a freak of an athlete that al davis loves and would be the perfect match to randy moss if he's still there and if not he's the perfect replacement
 
DisgruntledLionFan#54 said:
I'd be surprised if Carr fetched more than a 4-5th rounder. Anything more would be an absolute steal on the Texans part, IMO.
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WOW -- I wouldnt mind giving up a 4th or 5th rounder for him. Especially with the current state of the Oakland QB. Andrew Walter and.....

TEXANS84 said:
Good to see you over here RIN. I'm sure most people are in the Schaub thread at the moment, you'll get some responses soon.
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Thanks, nice boards here!

I appreciate the welcome.
 
RaiderInNY said:
WOW -- I wouldnt mind giving up a 4th or 5th rounder for him. Especially with the current state of the Oakland QB. Andrew Walter and.....


Thanks, nice boards here!

I appreciate the welcome.
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A 4th would be good for you guys. I think Carr may have something to prove with a fresh start. Who knows, it may pan out. I have always put alot of the blame on our line.
 
RaiderInNY said:
Ok, thats one opinion...

Keep 'em coming.
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There are alot of Carr haters on here, IMO he has had a below avg. o-line at best every year in the NFL and a poor running game. These stuff has made it easy for opposing Defenses to tee off on him. Giving the right team he will do fine. There will prob. be some these same posters calling for Matt head next year it's easy to be critical of players . Thats my take on it!!!!
 
texas mopar said:
There are alot of Carr haters on here, IMO he has had a below avg. o-line at best every year in the NFL and a poor running game. These stuff has made it easy for opposing Defenses to tee off on him. Giving the right team he will do fine. There will prob. be some these same posters calling for Matt head next year it's easy to be critical of players . Thats my take on it!!!!
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That is the nature of the beast.

Fans will complain, whine and stay un-happy about any facet of any particular player, kill 'em while they are down and its all about 'who is the flavor of the month'. It happens everywhere, on every board etc.

I know he has had some horrid OL's and inconsistent rush attack. But I do find some of the critique valid and justifiable.
 
Tailgate said:
A 4th would be good for you guys. I think Carr may have something to prove with a fresh start. Who knows, it may pan out. I have always put alot of the blame on our line.
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Our OL this past season, was as bad as the Texans inagural year. That was the year he got murdered correct? When Houston allowed the most sacks in the NFL?
 
RaiderInNY said:
Our OL this past season, was as bad as the Texans inagural year. That was the year he got murdered correct? When Houston allowed the most sacks in the NFL?
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Yeah, thats the year. Carr...doesn't fare well under pressure. Thats probably the nicest way to put it. Protect him, maybe he's good maybe he's not...we don't know. How do you as a raiders fan feel about the proposed moss for carr rumors?
 
Vinny said:
1 TD in non garbage time in the last ten games.....that speaks loud enough.
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II understand your point as it relates to Carr, yes it does... but you can't use Carr as the sole example. In some cases, a guy that performs well and had a negative rep is also viewed cautiously and causes others to stay away, like T.O.... it makes some people stay away from him.

There might be some out there that have some hope that Carr in a new system works... in fact, arguably, the sucker that takes him off our hands for a 4th round pick will be the "said sucker". They must believe in some kind of upside, but how someone is in the clubhouse does affect viewpoints as well.
 
texas mopar said:
There are alot of Carr haters on here, IMO he has had a below avg. o-line at best every year in the NFL and a poor running game. These stuff has made it easy for opposing Defenses to tee off on him. Giving the right team he will do fine. There will prob. be some these same posters calling for Matt head next year it's easy to be critical of players . Thats my take on it!!!!
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I understand brother... let it all out. It's okay to cry, real men cry. I feel your pain.


Seriously, I was like you once. I saw sparks of greatness the first two years, and couldn't believe some Houston Fans already wanted David gone.

I once honestly felt that it would be in David's best interest, to go to another team, and play for someone who wants him to succeed.

At that time, I was a casual fan. I didn't know a good QB from a bad QB 'till ESPN told me what I was looking at.

After watching some of the posters on this board, "listening" to their critique of David, and watching him play, I've come to the conclusion, that they're right, and David is not a good QB.

It doesn't matter what he can be. It doesn't matter why he isn't a good QB right now.

Bottom line, it doesn't matter.

It is past time for us to see good play from the QB position in Houston.

Maybe David needs just one more year to put it all together. Maybe he needs two more. Maybe three.

But the fact is, judging by his play in the month of December, he is not ready to compete in the NFL. IF he's on the field, it will be part of his development, and we'd hope for the best, that the rest of the team can carry him.

You're right, we haven't kept up our part of the bargain. We haven't made David a successful QB. You're right, the honorable thing to do, would be to keep David on the team, and continue to develop him as an NFL QB. It would be nice, if we could be the only honorable team in the NFL. And who knows, maybe the Texans will do that.
 
Hulk75, please give my regards to your brother. I'm sorry he ever had to play a down behind this O-Line. He has been nothing but a class act. Taking full responsibility for the Texans's loss. If he ends up on Oakland, I will laugh my @$$ off when he lights up Dunta's @$$ for TD.
 
BattleRedToro said:
Hulk75, please give my regards to your brother. I'm sorry he ever had to play a down behind this O-Line. He has been nothing but a class act. Taking full responsibility for the Texans's loss. If he ends up on Oakland, I will laugh my @$$ off when he lights up Dunta's @$$ for TD.
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10 pounds of whatever THIS guy is smoking would fix you up better...way to cheer for your team to get beaten by an x team member...battleredtoro indeed.
 
thunderkyss said:
At that time, I was a casual fan. I didn't know a good QB from a bad QB 'till ESPN told me what I was looking at.
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Problem #1) Forming your standards based on ESPN's opinions.

thunderkyss said:
After watching some of the posters on this board, "listening" to their critique of David, and watching him play, I've come to the conclusion, that they're right, and David is not a good QB.
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Problem #2) Forming your standards based on the opinions of other casual fans.


thunderkyss said:
But the fact is, judging by his play in the month of December, he is not ready to compete in the NFL.
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Problem#3) Concluding that a player can't compete in the NFL, just because he is on a team that can't compete in the NFL.
 
RaiderInNY said:
So folks, what do you like about David Carr? What dont you like about Carr?

I know he has had a lot on his plate, considering he was the franchises 1st draft pick, and as a QB -- had to take the expansion club on his shoulders. A lot of pressure, plus the beatings he took his intial years here behind a bad OL probably didnt help.

Let a Raider fan know.

Regards,

RaiderInNY
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Ok... here is the deal.

I think Carr honestly can become a good QB, but he has a loss of confidence here in coachs, players, and fans. He also, if he has time, plays VERY well. The problem is that if he is rushed, this is where he runs into problems. I think being on this team, he hears footsteps or he has 'memories' of being pounded, something I feel that would disappear a bit on another team. He has alot to overcome but I dont think it cannot overcome it with a change of venue. I honestly believe with confidence of a team, and city AND being in a different house, I think he will be a very good QB. Just the year with Kub helped him because the former 4 years were not fair to David. He wasnt given a chance, wasnt given a mentor, and wasnt held accountable till Kub came here. He will need work, but he isnt hopeless.
 
BattleRedToro said:
Problem #1) Forming your standards based on ESPN's opinions.



Problem #2) Forming your standards based on the opinions of other casual fans.




Problem#3) Concluding that a player can't compete in the NFL, just because he is on a team that can't compete in the NFL.
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We beat the SuperBowl Champs..... we were the last team to beat the Superbowl champs... without a QB. What do you mean we aren't ready to compete??

Hey, whatever happened to the, "whatever Kubiak decides" attitude you had when he extended Carr's contract??

Maybe Gary Kubiak knows a thing or two about QBs.



And you don't.
 
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