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Carr and his fumbles, sacks, ints, etc., put into perspective
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HOU-TEX
Ah, Football!
Saying this and him having only 1 carry is not defending him. Defending would be what I'm doing now. That's why I thought it was funny. Oh well, nevermind
utahmark
markbeth
you cant compare how many times we get the ball to the team we are playing. it will always be equal or one team gets one extra possesion. you have to compare time of possesion. or compare ave possesions per game for the leage.
If our offense had not fumbled the ball, or put themselves in third and long, they could have got first downs, they could have stayed on the field longer.
The time in a football game is finite. Meaning if one team has the ball longer, the other teams time of possesion goes down.
We had just as many opportunities to score, and just as many opportunities to take time off the clock.
we scored on 2 out of 8 possessions..... taking less than 2 minutes off the clock each time.
long sustained drives.... that's what we need to work on on offense.
it will help our defense.
it will help our team.
it will help our chances of winning if we control the ball more than what we have been, when given the opportunity.
& we should have got the extra posession. we stopped their first drive, & we had the ball first after halftime.
Vinny
shiny happy fan
It's about both. Take out the scripted drives and garbage time and it is clear to see that our team is clearly in shambles.
http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/sports/4223344.html
infantrycak
Hall of Fame
Why would you take out the scripted drives?
Vinny
shiny happy fan
We have no ability to improvise at all. Take away the scripted drives and you are left with 3 points offensive production thru 3 games kicking out garbage time in the 4th. Teams are clearly whipping the crap out of us after teams adjust to the game plan.
jerek
Pro Hobbyist
To my knowledge just about every offense, successful or no, opens the game with the first 15-20 plays drawn out ahead of time.
Never get the "it's garbage time, it doesn't count" schtick. On most of those late scoring drives the starters have remained in and the playcalling hasn't just gone prevent.
Never get the "it's garbage time, it doesn't count" schtick. On most of those late scoring drives the starters have remained in and the playcalling hasn't just gone prevent.
infantrycak
Hall of Fame
I think the dreaded word execution has more to do with it--they keep killing themselves with a variety of mistakes like Wiegert drawing the holding well away from Carr nullifying a 25 yd gain--a net loss of 35 yds--Lundy fumbling after they moved pretty well down the field--Carr fumbling after they have moved 50 yds. Those drive killers seem more a result of poor play then adjustments to the game plan by the opposing teams.
Vinny
shiny happy fan
Defenses do not play the same when they are up 21 points in the 4th quarter. I've been watching football in parts of 4 decades...and that has never changed. Teams give up underneath passes and force offenses to dink up the field as they keep the play in front of them (ie they don't play near as tight). This gives the other teams QB great stats....just look at Aaron Brooks over the years. He has been a great fantasy QB on the back of garbage time over the years and not because he was a special qb.
jerek
Pro Hobbyist
It's true that they tend to back off and that that is primarily where Carr's passes have gone late in the game -- short yardage -- but IMO Carr has still played well in the circumstances and has still produced in "unscripted" moments.
As cak pointed out many of our otherwise successful drives have been stalled not necessarily by Carr's mistakes (though the fumbles have hurt) but by poor execution across the offense -- fumbles, dropped balls, costly penalties, etc. In watching tape I've seen him occasionally miss open receivers or make poor decisions but not nearly to the degree that's still being suggested around here. When our defense can't seem to keep anyone out of the endzone, it's easier to scheme for the inevitable passing game from the second quarter onward.
To be sure Carr isn't all that and he's made his own share of mistakes that his high passer rating numbers don't necessarily reflect. JMO that people are writing off a few too many of his plays as garbage time.
infantrycak
Hall of Fame
I just want to clarify my point wasn't about Carr but that the O seemed IMO to be shooting itself in the foot thru a spectrum of problems more than that the opposing D's were outscheming the Texans' OC which is what I thought Vinny was getting at.
chuckm
Veteran
So during a scripted play, Carr has less room for improvisation than on any other play during the game?
Does Kubiak say, "During the scripted plays you will not audible?"
or when you say "we" do you mean Kubiak, Calhoun, Carr, et al?
absolutely.
Again, I agree. It's like playing your starters in Pre-Season. Unless you are on a young team, you know you got your job. You're a professional, so you're going to give 100%. But in a real game, a close game you give 110%
Since I've been the most "vocally" critical about David in this thread, I'd like to respond, by restating, that I do not blame Carr for any part of our three losses, greater than that of any other player. I also believe David has been playing well.
I have pointed out opportunities for him to go above and beyond what an avg QB in the NFL is expected to do. If you are of the mind, that an avg QB is all we need, and you'd be perfectly happy if David never amounted to anything more than an avg QB, then I can understand where you & I would disagree.
I agree with what you are saying here, we do need Carr to be more than just an average QB. Given the situation that we are in RIGHT NOW, it wouldn't hurt for him to do more than what he is doing, although I am pleased with the progress he has made. On the contray, if we had a stiffling defense and a solid run game being average would be good enough. Prime example of this is Big Ben, when he had all aspects of the game clicking on all cylinders he was just average and won lots of games. Now that it is all up to him now, he's struggling and can't get it done. So the point I'm trying to make is until we get all 3 phases of the team together, Carr is going to be scrutinized for what he has done or what he should have done, the guy seems to be in a no-win situation with alot of fans. He may not be the perfect QB, but I'll go down with Carr any day of the week.
utahmark
markbeth
whether we stop them or not on their first drive has nothing to do with who gets an extra posession.
i dont think david is playing great and i know his qb rating is inflated. but i do think he is playing good. and most of what you criticize davad about are things most qb's do at some time or another it just isnt pointed out as much because their teams dont s@ck.