Carr and his fumbles, sacks, ints, etc., put into perspective

[Ibar_Harry]

You can talk about all the stats you want, but the best one is where are the WR's he's been throwing to the last few years, except for AJ. Umm, yes they are no longer playing. That includes number 2 last year and Bradford. People have been wondering why he has been throwing to DD all the time. I think you now have your answer.

Unfortunately, DD has been run into the ground and all hope seems to be gone for a decent RB this season. May be Gado will step up, but right now its not looking so good. I think the real reason Carr is what he is, including being nervous, is the result of the players he has had around him.

Basically the Texans have fielded zero to help David. It's as simple as that. Will he get to the upper tier, I don't know, but it seems like the Texans are always deficient in one or more positions. Generally the O-line is better this year and he has some down field completions. Of course that shouldn't be too surprising given who he's throwing to. We have a very good receiver core, both TE's and WR's. Even Mr. B from Pittsburgh is getting into the act.

I keep saying they have to pass even more than they are, but that is simply one man's opinion based on what he has seen in the past. Its too bad this team hasn't jelled as well as some including me have expected. I still believe they have a lot of the right ingrediants, but its just not quite going together the way they want. I still think we have the tools to be a dominent team, but obviously we're just not there yet.

 

[phan1]

Carr is a good QB. Not a consistent probowler by any means, but he's good enough to keep his job and good enough to not create a QB controversy. I see him as a slightly worse Drew Brees. And guess what? He's only going to get better from here on out. There are 2 things that I don't like about him though:

1) Center-snap exchange. Hey, this has always been a problem, not just the pass few weeks. I'm not sure who's falt it is, but that crap's got to stop. It has always happened throughout his career, and it's easy to just pass it off as "hey, it happens sometimes." No, it shouldn't happen. Ever.

2) Low trajectory. I have officially changed my mind when grading QBs: A low trajectory IS A CONCERN. He just throws a lot of tipped balls at the line of scrimage. If I'm a D coordinator, I'm going to blitz up the middle all day. It's not really something he can "fix", but it's something to be aware of and be careful about. Qbs do take partial responsability for tipped balls.

 

[mancunian]

Yes the O needs to improve, but you are exagerating slightly. Most years mid pack is right around 20 points. 25 points as an average is elite area most years--just 6 teams last year. If you need that many points--your D is sucking wind.

The breaking point is generally seen as 21 points. If your offence scores that or more and the defence averages less you tend to have winning seasons.

 

[thunderkyss]

And Washington owned us in time of possession, they had the ball 38 minutes and 7 seconds out of 60 minutes, which means we had the ball 21 minutes and 53 seconds out of 60 minutes. When your defense is allowing almost 500 yards a game, your opponent is usually going to have the advantage in time of possession no matter who has how many drives.

& when your QB is fumbling the ball, your offense putting you in 3rd & long because of penalty, you give up sacks on 3 & 3, & you open a quarter like:

Houston Texans at 14:53
1-10-HOU19 (14:53) R.Dayne right guard to HST 21 for 2 yards (L.Marshall, W.Holdman).
2-8-HOU21 (14:26) D.Carr pass incomplete short right to J.Putzier (C.Griffin).
3-8-HOU21 (14:21) D.Carr pass incomplete short left to A.Johnson.
4-8-HOU21 (14:15) C.Stanley punts 49 yards to WAS 30, Center-B.Pittman, downed by HST-D.Polk. (Punt hang time 5.6 seconds.)

it makes it difficult to keep the offense on the field....

Carr has one fumble, hes not dropping the ball like Kurt Warner, so what are you talking about, 90% of the time the sacks are the o-lines fault and how many penalties has Carr had personaly. What does he hae to do with that.


And as far as incompletions are concerned, Carr is completing 60% of his passes which is good for any NFL QB and that is against 3 of the most talented secondaries in the NFL.

Lets see who he faced:

Michael Lewis
Lito Sheppard
Brian Dawkins
Bob Sanders
Mike Doss
Nick Harper
Adam Archuleta
Carlos Rogers
Sean Taylor

Those are arguably some of the best DBs in the NFL not to mention that he had to worry about Dwight Freeny, Robert Mathis, Jevon Kearse, Darren Howard, Jeramaih Trotter(Blitzing). All this and has stil completed 60% of his passes and has 6 TDs. WITH NO RUNNING GAME

& that's my point, he's got to beat guys like AdamArchuleta, who was described as a liability in coverage....... still, I'm not putting the blame of our impotent offense squarely on Carr. As a unit, our offense struggles...... but as the QB goes, the team goes.

I've pointed out opportunities David has had the opportunity to go from the next TrentDilfer to the next TomBrady that he has failed to take advantage of. If you think we are going to the superbowl beating Tennessee, the Oakland Raiders, and the NewYork Jets at home, the David is your man. If you want to beat the Colts, the Steelers, & the Broncos on the road, you are going to need your QB to step up.

Remeber in the 4th Qtr, those three consecutive underneath passes to AJ?? It's plays like that, that put AJ in the ProBowl, and DavidCarr watching on T.V. Because AJ are beating those same guys that David struggles with, on a bad team, with no running game.

& Carr has had two fumbles in this game....... two or three in last game, and two or three in our first game.

 

[thunderkyss]

Out of 12 drives we have had in the 2nd and 3rd quarters this season, we have had 4 offensive penalties, given up 3 sacks, and had 2 fumbles that we recovered, I don't see much there that is enough to stop 12 drives.

Are you being sarcastic, or do we have 12 touchdowns somewhere that I'm not counting?? 12 field goals?? any combination of the two??

 

[thunderkyss]

You can talk about all the stats you want, but the best one is where are the WR's he's been throwing to the last few years, except for AJ. Umm, yes they are no longer playing. That includes number 2 last year and Bradford. People have been wondering why he has been throwing to DD all the time. I think you now have your answer.

Again, ReggieWayne wasn't always ReggieWayne..... he'll disappear from the stat charts if he were to go to Carolina, Miami, KC, or SanDiego....... Stallworth's career is going to skyrocket, now that he is teamed with McNabb, Kurt Warner made AzHakim wanted commodity.

Unfortunately, DD has been run into the ground and all hope seems to be gone for a decent RB this season. May be Gado will step up, but right now its not looking so good. I think the real reason Carr is what he is, including being nervous, is the result of the players he has had around him.

our run game actually looks pretty good...... if our O can ever get a lead of 10 or more, you'd see it.

Basically the Texans have fielded zero to help David. It's as simple as that. Will he get to the upper tier, I don't know, but it seems like the Texans are always deficient in one or more positions. Generally the O-line is better this year and he has some down field completions. Of course that shouldn't be too surprising given who he's throwing to. We have a very good receiver core, both TE's and WR's. Even Mr. B from Pittsburgh is getting into the act.

I keep saying they have to pass even more than they are, but that is simply one man's opinion based on what he has seen in the past. Its too bad this team hasn't jelled as well as some including me have expected. I still believe they have a lot of the right ingrediants, but its just not quite going together the way they want. I still think we have the tools to be a dominent team, but obviously we're just not there yet.

In the last three games, we've been running to keep the defense honest...... we've been having to play catch up as early as the 3rd possession.

 

[texan_fan_in_tampa_bay]

QB is not our problem. It's the defense. Haven't we known that already?

That's right!!

 

[infantrycak]

He's been hitting Andre's back shoulder.... not a bad throw for an avg NFL QB. Not the kind of thing an elite QB does on a regular basis.

That's horse crap. Every single QB in the NFL makes less than ideal throws--that's how you get highlight catches by WR's--they're impressive because the WR's are adjusting to less than ideally thrown balls. Example--Plaxico running tip drills with himself to make two of the most important plays in the Giants vs. Eagles game.

Stats, Inc. has credited Carr with 3 poorly thrown balls on 82 attempts (3.6%)--Peyton has 14 on 110 (12.7%)--Eli has 16 on 113 (14%)--Palmer has 6 on 85 (7%)--you are barking up the wrong tree on this one.

 

[real]

That's horse crap. Every single QB in the NFL makes less than ideal throws--that's how you get highlight catches by WR's--they're impressive because the WR's are adjusting to less than ideally thrown balls. Example--Plaxico running tip drills with himself to make two of the most important plays in the Giants vs. Eagles game.

Stats, Inc. has credited Carr with 3 poorly thrown balls on 82 attempts (3.6%)--Peyton has 14 on 110 (12.7%)--Eli has 16 on 113 (14%)--Palmer has 6 on 85 (7%)--you are barking up the wrong tree on this one.

Hey what is the link for Stats, Inc. ???

 

[texan279]

Are you being sarcastic, or do we have 12 touchdowns somewhere that I'm not counting?? 12 field goals?? any combination of the two??

12 drives, not scoring drives, but drives. 12 drives in the 2nd and 3rd quarter all season, and in those drives there were 4 offensive penalties, 3 sacks, and we had 2 fumbles that we recovered, I do not see where you are getting that we are killing ourselves on possessions in the 2nd and 3rd quarters with sacks, penalties, and fumbles.

 

[chuckm]

I'm just sitting here watching the replay of the Steelers/Bengals game on NFL Network. Carson Palmer had 3 fumbles and 2 INT's. Roethlesbooger threw 3 INT's in the game. Just a little food for thought...

You guys know that I'm no Carr apologist, far from it. But I think that we're seeing the guy transform into an average NFL QB. We all know his TD/INT numbers and QB rating, but I think the biggest difference is his abitlity to get the ball downfield. He already has 8 passes for 20+ and 2 passes for 40+. Last year he had 18 and 2 respectively.

I'm not saying that we absolutely shouldn't draft Brady Quinn, but there is some doubt.

So this is one of two things, IMO

1) you're changing tactics from an all out assault to damning with faint praise (ala some of the more cough cough "respected" posters)

or

2) you're posturing yourself so that you can say "See I told you he was "transforming" if he in fact continues to make progress .... of course if he doesn't there's always the fallback position of the past 3 years

 

[thunderkyss]

That's horse crap. Every single QB in the NFL makes less than ideal throws--that's how you get highlight catches by WR's--they're impressive because the WR's are adjusting to less than ideally thrown balls. Example--Plaxico running tip drills with himself to make two of the most important plays in the Giants vs. Eagles game.

Stats, Inc. has credited Carr with 3 poorly thrown balls on 82 attempts (3.6%)--Peyton has 14 on 110 (12.7%)--Eli has 16 on 113 (14%)--Palmer has 6 on 85 (7%)--you are barking up the wrong tree on this one.

Again, I'm not saying Carr Sucked....... I'm not saying we should bench Carr.... I'm not saying we are loosing because of David Carr.

I'm saying on that one pass, I'm talking about that Andre's dropped, one that Bruenner dropped, and one that Owens had dropped, had they made the catch, then they made great plays........ as recievers. Had Carr put the ball where it was supposed to have been(in front of the reciever)..... like the one in the Denver game, where he had AJ with a step, and to the inside(Less air, ahead of the reciever)..... or the one against Washington where he had AJ running up the middle of the field, with a step, to the outside, or Walter in the endzone, he's got the corner beat, and he's on the outside..... all those balls were underthrown..... the reciever could have made an amazing play to make the catch, or David could've put it where it needed to be, if Carr makes those throws, he changes the game.. there's no doubt in my mind that he can make those throws, but he's made the wrong decision again, and again, and again.

Those are the kinds of things I'm hoping Kubiak fixes.... those are the things that I'll be looking at when I judge his progress. Those are the things he hasn't been doing consistently since he came into the league......

Against Philly, the first touchdown pass to Moulds.... that was an excellent throw.... he was on the run, he put it up there for Eric to get, to make a play. The pass he made to Cook, where Wiegart got called for the hold.... he hit Cook in a soft spot in the zone...... excellent throw.

The first touchdown against Washington.... he was wide open, Vince Young could've made that throw. I'm glad he did it. Don't get me wrong. I just don't think it was a big deal.

I think Kubiak is doing a great job..... I was surprised to see David attempt that throw to Jameel. I don't think he's playing scared..... hasn't, since the Broncos game.

Now when he gets up from a sack, he forgets it....... he didn't do that against Philly, and he didn't do that against Indy. Watch his feet, how he drops back before and after the sack....... very little difference in the Washington game....... but then he only had one sack....

How many times was he hurried??

 

[thunderkyss]

12 drives, not scoring drives, but drives. 12 drives in the 2nd and 3rd quarter all season, and in those drives there were 4 offensive penalties, 3 sacks, and we had 2 fumbles that we recovered, I do not see where you are getting that we are killing ourselves on possessions in the 2nd and 3rd quarters with sacks, penalties, and fumbles.

Oh...... I see. You think it's simply bad play by the QB that's been killing our drive.

No, sorry, can't agree with you there.

We only get 3 real opportunities to advance the ball 10 yards. A fumble takes one of those opportunities away. Well, it's not the most efficient way to advance the ball.

Sacks........ kinda like the fumble..... you loose the opportunity to advance the ball...

12 penalties...... that's 60 yards for false starts... five yards. throw a couple of unsportsman likes in there, and that's 80 yards that we have to overcome, when we only avg 270(??) yds of offense... that's nearly a third.

 

[thunderkyss]

So this is one of two things, IMO

1) you're changing tactics from an all out assault to damning with faint praise (ala some of the more cough cough "respected" posters)

or


2) you're posturing yourself so that you can say "See I told you he was "transforming" if he in fact continues to make progress .... of course if he doesn't theres always the fallback position of the past 3 years

 

[infantrycak]

Hey what is the link for Stats, Inc. ???

Stats, Inc.

 

[texan279]

Oh...... I see. You think it's simply bad play by the QB that's been killing our drive.

No, sorry, can't agree with you there.

We only get 3 real opportunities to advance the ball 10 yards. A fumble takes one of those opportunities away. Well, it's not the most efficient way to advance the ball.

Sacks........ kinda like the fumble..... you loose the opportunity to advance the ball...

12 penalties...... that's 60 yards for false starts... five yards. throw a couple of unsportsman likes in there, and that's 80 yards that we have to overcome, when we only avg 270(??) yds of offense... that's nearly a third.

No actually I think Carr and the receivers are the bright spot of the offense at this point. Our running game has been far from great for one. Gado hasn't become the saviour or even starter that some thought he would (I am still upset about that trade). Our offense is second to last in the league in time of possession. Our defense couldn't stop a high school offense at this point. Our problems are due to a lack of a running game and horrible defensive play.

 

[chuckm]

Stats, Inc.

So that's your secret weapon huh?

 

[Runner]

He's been hitting Andre's back shoulder.... not a bad throw for an avg NFL QB. Not the kind of thing an elite QB does on a regular basis.

I see that more people are cathcing onto the damning with faint praise bit now, but I will comment on this. I think if the throw is within the framework of the receivers body it was a pretty good throw.

 

[chuckm]

I see that more people are cathcing onto the damning with faint praise bit now, but I will comment on this. I think if the throw is within the framework of the receivers body it was a pretty good throw.

no way .... He's paid millions of dollars ... he should be able to throw a football through a bicycle tire hanging from a tree at 40 yards while being chased by 300lb men .... or else ...

 

[Runner]

no way .... He's paid millions of dollars ... he should be able to throw a football through a bicycle tire hanging from a tree at 40 yards while being chased by 300lb men .... or else ...

Maybe. Is the tree moving?

 

[chuckm]

Maybe. Is the tree moving?

Ok let me rephase Mr. Helper ...

no way .... He's paid millions of dollars ... he should be able to throw a football through a bicycle tire hanging from a tree at 40 yards, during a hurricane, while being chased by 300lb men .... or else ...

 

[thunderkyss]

No actually I think Carr and the receivers are the bright spot of the offense at this point. Our running game has been far from great for one. Gado hasn't become the saviour or even starter that some thought he would (I am still upset about that trade). Our offense is second to last in the league in time of possession. Our defense couldn't stop a high school offense at this point. Our problems are due to a lack of a running game and horrible defensive play.

Dayne has been doing pretty good running the ball. He's avg'd 4.1 yds/carry against Washington, then had one catch for 13 yards. But with the situation we've been finding ourselves in, you really can't say how good/bad our running game is. AFAIK, we haven't asked our RBs to get us a first down on anything short of 3rd & 9, and they come up short.

This is from the play-by-play on NFL.com

Houston Texans at 14:45
1-10-HOU29 (14:45) D.Carr FUMBLES (Aborted) at HST 29, and recovers at HST 29.
2-11-HOU29 (14:20) D.Carr pass incomplete to R.Dayne (L.Marshall).
3-11-HOU29 (14:13) D.Carr pass incomplete to A.Johnson.
PENALTY on WAS-M.Rumph, Illegal Use of Hands, 5 yards, enforced at HST 29 - No Play.
1-10-HOU34 (14:02) R.Dayne left end to HST 37 for 3 yards (A.Montgomery).
PENALTY on WAS-W.Holdman, Face Mask (5 Yards), 5 yards, enforced at HST 37.
1-2-HOU42 (13:40) D.Carr pass incomplete deep middle to A.Johnson (C.Rogers).
2-2-HOU42 (13:39) R.Dayne up the middle to HST 49 for 7 yards (M.Washington, L.Marshall).
1-10-HOU49 (13:10) R.Dayne right guard to WAS 47 for 4 yards (C.Griffin).
2-6-WAS47 (13:10) PENALTY on HST-C.Pitts, False Start, 5 yards, enforced at WAS 47 - No Play.
2-11-HOU48 (12:18) R.Dayne right end to WAS 45 for 7 yards (W.Holdman).
3-4-WAS45 (11:36) D.Carr pass incomplete short left to O.Daniels (M.Washington).
4-4-WAS45 (11:29) C.Stanley punts 35 yards to WAS 10, Center-B.Pittman, fair catch by A.Randle El. (Punt hang time 5.4 seconds.)

WHat killed this drive?? was it the run game??

Washington Redskins at 11:20
1-10-WAS10 (11:20) M.Brunell pass to M.Sellers to WAS 11 for 1 yard (D.Robinson).
2-9-WAS11 (10:38) M.Brunell pass to M.Sellers to WAS 14 for 3 yards (L.Sanders, M.Greenwood).
3-6-WAS14 (9:52) (Shotgun) M.Brunell pass short middle to C.Portis to WAS 18 for 4 yards (M.Greenwood).
4-2-WAS18 (9:18) D.Frost punts 60 yards to HST 22, Center-E.Albright. P.Buchanon ran ob at HST 29 for 7 yards (J.Thrash). (Punt hang time 4.7 seconds.)

This is one of those 3 & out thingies they are talking about when they say our defense can't stop anyone. This is actually the second stop of Washington's first four possessions.

Houston Texans at 09:04
1-10-HOU29 (9:04) R.Dayne right guard to HST 34 for 5 yards (D.Evans).
2-5-HOU34 (8:29) D.Carr pass short left to E.Moulds to HST 40 for 6 yards (C.Rogers).
1-10-HOU40 (7:56) R.Dayne right tackle to HST 40 for no gain (C.Griffin; M.Washington).
2-10-HOU40 (7:25) D.Carr pass incomplete short right to O.Daniels (A.Archuleta).
3-10-HOU40 (7:18) D.Carr pass to A.Johnson pushed ob at 50 for 10 yards (C.Rogers).
1-10-50 (6:50) PENALTY on HST-Z.Wiegert, Offensive Holding, 10 yards, enforced at 50 - No Play.
1-20-HOU40 (6:18) D.Carr pass short left to J.Putzier to WAS 48 for 12 yards (L.Marshall, C.Rogers).
2-8-WAS48 (5:45) S.Gado left guard to WAS 48 for no gain (W.Holdman).
3-8-WAS48 (5:07) D.Carr pass incomplete to E.Moulds (M.Washington). WAS-A.Carter was injured during the play.
4-8-WAS48 (5:02) C.Stanley punts 34 yards to WAS 14, Center-B.Pittman. A.Randle El pushed ob at WAS 18 for 4 yards (J.Simmons). (Punt hang time 4.4 seconds.)

What killed this drive??

 

[chuckm]

TK, if we all agree that you're right will you come down from the ledge?

 

[Runner]

Ok let me rephase Mr. Helper ...

no way .... He's paid millions of dollars ... he should be able to throw a football through a bicycle tire hanging from a tree at 40 yards, during a hurricane, while being chased by 300lb men .... or else ...

I'm still not clear. What is the category of the hurricane? Is the tree swaying in the breeze or has it been ripped out by the roots and is swirling around?

 

[thunderkyss]

Ok let me rephase Mr. Helper ...

no way .... He's paid millions of dollars ... he should be able to throw a football through a bicycle tire hanging from a tree at 40 yards, during a hurricane, while being chased by 300lb men .... or else ...

That would definitely make him a great QB in my book.

 

[thunderkyss]

TK, if we all agree that you're right will you come down from the ledge?

First you got to tell me what I'm right about.......

 

[chuckm]

I'm still not clear. What is the category of the hurricane? Is the tree swaying in the breeze or has it been ripped out by the roots and is swirling around?

You're officially downgraded to "Rookie Moderator WITHOUT Upside"

 

[chuckm]

First you got to tell me what I'm right about.......

deals off then ... carry on

 

[thunderkyss]

deals off then ... carry on

cool.


I only say that, because it sounds to me, that you're trying to put me in the group that says David can't do anything right.

I'm saying our offense has a problem staying on the field. It's not our running game....... it really never has been.

 

[chuckm]

cool.


I only say that, because it sounds to me, that you're trying to put me in the group that says David can't do anything right.

I'm saying our offense has a problem staying on the field. It's not our running game....... it really never has been.

My friend, I'm just messing with you ....

I sit here day after day and see rants about stuff that just make me shake my head .....


a little humor goes a long way sometimes

 

[infantrycak]

What killed this drive??

Well I suspect Kubiak would say it was a combination of (1) a penalty negating a 25 yd reception and putting the Texans in 1st and 20--a net loss of 35 yds of field position, (2) a run game that didn't assist by cutting 3rd down from a long situation to short and (3) a good play by Marcus Washington jumping the pass to Moulds. With game tape he might add Carr's decision on where to throw if he sees another option open.

 

[texan279]

Dayne has been doing pretty good running the ball. He's avg'd 4.1 yds/carry against Washington, then had one catch for 13 yards. But with the situation we've been finding ourselves in, you really can't say how good/bad our running game is. AFAIK, we haven't asked our RBs to get us a first down on anything short of 3rd & 9, and they come up short.

This is from the play-by-play on NFL.com


WHat killed this drive?? was it the run game??



This is one of those 3 & out thingies they are talking about when they say our defense can't stop anyone. This is actually the second stop of Washington's first four possessions.


What killed this drive??

You claimed earlier that fumbles, penalties, and sacks were killing our drives, yet on those drives you posted there was one fumble by Carr that was recovered by Carr for no gain, no sacks, and one penalty. I do not see any fumble, penalty, or sack that killed those drives. And our rushing offense as a whole is ranked 25th in the NFL right now as far as total yards and average yards per game. And I still do not believe any of the backs on the roster right now are the answer at running back, Dayne seems like he can get the job done, I do not know about the rest of them though. At this point I'd bring in Chris Taylor and see what he can do.

 

[Texans_Chick]

Carr is a good QB. Not a consistent probowler by any means, but he's good enough to keep his job and good enough to not create a QB controversy. I see him as a slightly worse Drew Brees. And guess what? He's only going to get better from here on out. There are 2 things that I don't like about him though:

1) Center-snap exchange. Hey, this has always been a problem, not just the pass few weeks. I'm not sure who's falt it is, but that crap's got to stop. It has always happened throughout his career, and it's easy to just pass it off as "hey, it happens sometimes." No, it shouldn't happen. Ever.

Here is a blog post that discusses a reason for this. "David Carr and the Reason for Mishandled Snaps I am not sure how aware the coaching staff is of this. The first exchange was blamed by coach on Hodgdon for snapping off cadence, which is the obvious reason for the mishandled snap, but maybe not the only one.

Gives you something to look for on the TiVO. (hopefully only past games)

The thing I find interesting is how much the players love the offensive system when they talk about it, and how much more confidence they have in it. And as someone watching them, you can see if they can stop doing the stupid stuff (mishandled snaps, false starts at home, and getting into long yardage because of the mistakes, etc), this could be something really fun to watch, if the Texans defense can get the **** off the field on third down.

 

[texan279]

Dayne has been doing pretty good running the ball. He's avg'd 4.1 yds/carry against Washington, then had one catch for 13 yards. But with the situation we've been finding ourselves in, you really can't say how good/bad our running game is. AFAIK, we haven't asked our RBs to get us a first down on anything short of 3rd & 9, and they come up short.

This is from the play-by-play on NFL.com


WHat killed this drive?? was it the run game??



This is one of those 3 & out thingies they are talking about when they say our defense can't stop anyone. This is actually the second stop of Washington's first four possessions.


What killed this drive??

But overall in the game Washington scored 5 times out of 11 possessions, and Washington owned the 1st, 3rd, and 4th quarter as far as time of possession, 31 minutes and 14 seconds out of 45 minutes the Redskins offense was on the field in those quarters. They ran our defense into the ground. And in the game Washington had 4 drives that were longer than 5 minutes each, and two of those were longer than 8 minutes.

 

[Texans_Chick]

Ok let me rephase Mr. Helper ...

no way .... He's paid millions of dollars ... he should be able to throw a football through a bicycle tire hanging from a tree at 40 yards, during a hurricane, while being chased by 300lb men .... or else ...

You know, I think they have drugs that can help with that sort of thing.

 

[wags]

this could be something really fun to watch, if the Texans defense can get the **** off the field on third down.

Hell hath no fury like a pissed chick who roots for the Texans.

 

[Runner]

deals off then ... carry on

Somebody has been watching Project Runway...

 

[chuckm]

Somebody has been watching Project Runway...

Hahaha only in passing and to keep marital bliss ...

 

[Runner]

Hahaha only in passing and to keep marital bliss ...

My money has been on Uli since the beginning.


Crap. Was that out loud?

 

[thunderkyss]

Well I suspect Kubiak would say it was a combination of (1) a penalty negating a 25 yd reception and putting the Texans in 1st and 20--a net loss of 35 yds of field position, (2) a run game that didn't assist by cutting 3rd down from a long situation to short and (3) a good play by Marcus Washington jumping the pass to Moulds. With game tape he might add Carr's decision on where to throw if he sees another option open.

Yep.......... that's about the way I see it.

You claimed earlier that fumbles, penalties, and sacks were killing our drives, yet on those drives you posted there was one fumble by Carr that was recovered by Carr for no gain, no sacks, and one penalty. I do not see any fumble, penalty, or sack that killed those drives. And our rushing offense as a whole is ranked 25th in the NFL right now as far as total yards and average yards per game. And I still do not believe any of the backs on the roster right now are the answer at running back, Dayne seems like he can get the job done, I do not know about the rest of them though. At this point I'd bring in Chris Taylor and see what he can do.

We can do the whole game if you'd like....... you'll see more of the same when Our offense gets the ball.

& I find it odd that the only position demanding personnel(sp) changes is the RB, when they are doing pretty darn good for what we are asking them to do.

....The thing I find interesting is how much the players love the offensive system when they talk about it, and how much more confidence they have in it. And as someone watching them, you can see if they can stop doing the stupid stuff (mishandled snaps, false starts at home, and getting into long yardage because of the mistakes, etc), this could be something really fun to watch.......

I thought I was the only one who could see it.

 

[Texans Horror]

Interesting Project Runway should be brought up. I was sent this interesting article on the type of men who watch the show. The gist of the article is that while men enjoy watching Project Runway, the only kind who watch tend to be the " beer-slugging, football-watching" kind of men. I think that says a lot about the type of men here who do not watch Project Runway.

http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/living/2003276424_projectrunway27.html

 

[thunderkyss]

But overall in the game Washington scored 5 times out of 11 possessions, and Washington owned the 1st, 3rd, and 4th quarter as far as time of possession, 31 minutes and 14 seconds out of 45 minutes the Redskins offense was on the field in those quarters. They ran our defense into the ground. And in the game Washington had 4 drives that were longer than 5 minutes each, and two of those were longer than 8 minutes.

OUr defense gave our offense the ball twice when the score was 14-7..... they did nothing with it.... not only did they not score, they didn't move down the field, & they didn't take the opportunity to run their defense into the ground. our first possession was 1:20 cool, since we got a touchdown.

Then we fumbled & gave up a sack...... our run game got us 14 yards on 2 carries..... all inside of 2:52.

OUr next possession.... 10 plays + Punt.... 3:25. We Fumble the ball(recovered it, but we lost the down. then we have a false start penalty.

OUr next possession.. 9 plays+Punt.... 4:14 seconds.... Our run game not very productive 3 carries for 5 yards.. we complete 3 of 5 for 28 yards, and we have a holding penalty for 10 yards(IIRC this negated the very nice throw of David's to Cook.... a precision pass).

And that's the half.

We start the third Qtr with the ball. (you know your defense sucks, so let's try to keep them off the field, but what do we do??)

RonDayne runs for 2 yards, then we have 2 incomplete passes. Punt 0:50

next possession.... 2 carries for 2 yards (but we pick up the first down). David's perfect, 5 for 5 for 39 yards..... until he fumbles the ball.... 3:40

next possession..... touchdown, 2:02

Next possession.. INT 2:11

Our defense isn't doing a very good job of getting off the fiel...... I'm not arguing that, never have. My problem, is that our offense isn't doing a good enough job to stay on the field....... Call it our running game if you want. Ignore the fumbles, and the penalties...... that's cool..... I guess.

I'm just sayin.

 

[infantrycak]

& I find it odd that the only position demanding personnel(sp) changes is the RB, when they are doing pretty darn good for what we are asking them to do.

Dayne is averaging 3.8 ypc. Lundy has averaged 3.4 ypc. Gado has a nice average of 4.8 ypc but that is fool's gold as he has a total of 29 yds with a long of 27 yds--basically he has had one good play and the rest he has been stuffed. The running game needs to be able to get the Texans into 3rd and 1 or 2 more often. No that isn't the only problem on the O, but it isn't a non-problem either as you seem to be asserting.

 

[Texans_Chick]

Dayne is averaging 3.8 ypc. Lundy has averaged 3.4 ypc. Gado has a nice average of 4.8 ypc but that is fool's gold as he has a total of 29 yds with a long of 27 yds--basically he has had one good play and the rest he has been stuffed. The running game needs to be able to get the Texans into 3rd and 1 or 2 more often. No that isn't the only problem on the O, but it isn't a non-problem either as you seem to be asserting.

For me, the running game is in the question mark list. It is not realistic to think that the Texans will be able to keep scoring only by throwing the ball without the run given how this offense is designed.

The Texans haven't been able to put up big yards running the ball in the regular season yet. That is a problem. You've seen some good things, and some not so good things, but nothing that makes you say, whew, we don't need to worry about the running game.

If the defense is merely ordinarily bad or average this week, we will be able to see if the Texans can run. If the defense maintains its catastrophic status, you are not gonna get enough carries for your backs.

 

[TK_Gamer]

oh come on thunder, just say it, we all know you want to, you have done soooooo well but it really drags the thread out when you dont actually say it.

 

[Honoring Earl 34]

Their are times in a game that you've got to have somebody step up and make a play . If your losing 14-7 its time ... on a 3rd and 8 , I don't care how we got there be it fumble , penalty , tackle for a loss , it does'nt matter to a good team . This is why Kubiak says no excuses and wants character guys . Winners don't need an excuse .

This is what TK is saying I guess is that the Texans have a nasty little habit of self destructing ... a trait of a bad team . The question to me is how long is this tolerated ? Will an OL be benched fror a false start on a crucial drive , or a missed block by a RB , or a fumble by the QB . Its time to burn the barn to kill the rats . Once again until we stop this we're a bad team with players who are'nt mentally where they need to be .

 

[jmerog]

Carr has one fumble, hes not dropping the ball like Kurt Warner, so what are you talking about, 90% of the time the sacks are the o-lines fault and how many penalties has Carr had personaly. What does he hae to do with that.


And as far as incompletions are concerned, Carr is completing 60% of his passes which is good for any NFL QB and that is against 3 of the most talented secondaries in the NFL.

Lets see who he faced:

Michael Lewis
Lito Sheppard
Brian Dawkins
Bob Sanders
Mike Doss
Nick Harper
Adam Archuleta
Carlos Rogers
Sean Taylor

Those are arguably some of the best DBs in the NFL not to mention that he had to worry about Dwight Freeny, Robert Mathis, Jevon Kearse, Darren Howard, Jeramaih Trotter(Blitzing). All this and has stil completed 60% of his passes and has 6 TDs. WITH NO RUNNING GAME

Whats with all of these silly facts? everyone knows Carr sucks and he hates puppies. just kidding.

Way to put things into perspective. Carr is playing well and against stiff competition.

Keep coming strong with the reason alerts. Rep coming your way

 

[Hulk75]

Some have, some haven't.

I still think that QB is somewhat of a problem. Carr is not a leader and makes a lot of mistakes, but he is making strides to become an average QB.

Some haven't? Well for the ones that dont think our defense giving up 500 yards a game is not the problem and still think it is the QB, then they must be drunk, high or not know what they are looking at.

Tell you one thing if our D can get us more then 3 3 and outs a game the n Carrs stats will be even better and our record, its a fact.

 

[thunderkyss]

Dayne is averaging 3.8 ypc. Lundy has averaged 3.4 ypc. Gado has a nice average of 4.8 ypc but that is fool's gold as he has a total of 29 yds with a long of 27 yds--basically he has had one good play and the rest he has been stuffed. The running game needs to be able to get the Texans into 3rd and 1 or 2 more often. No that isn't the only problem on the O, but it isn't a non-problem either as you seem to be asserting.

In his only game as our "starter", his only game after beeing(sp) in Houston for more than 2 weeks, he's avg'd 4.1ypc....... that looks pretty good to me.

Gado didn't play particularly well against Washington...... he also might look better had he been in OTAs, TC, or even the preseason with this team

If the defense is merely ordinarily bad or average this week, we will be able to see if the Texans can run. If the defense maintains its catastrophic status, you are not gonna get enough carries for your backs.

I feel like we're soulmates..........

there's definitely a connection here.

do you feel it??

oh come on thunder, just say it, we all know you want to, you have done soooooo well but it really drags the thread out when you dont actually say it.

I love David Carr..... he's progressing very well, much better/faster than I imagined. It's only a matter time, before that light bulb comes on, and this NFL stuff starts to look real slow to him.

Their are times in a game that you've got to have somebody step up and make a play . If your losing 14-7 its time ... on a 3rd and 8 , I don't care how we got there be it fumble , penalty , tackle for a loss , it does'nt matter to a good team . This is why Kubiak says no excuses and wants character guys . Winners don't need an excuse .

This is what TK is saying I guess is that the Texans have a nasty little habit of self destructing ... a trait of a bad team . The question to me is how long is this tolerated ? Will an OL be benched fror a false start on a crucial drive , or a missed block by a RB , or a fumble by the QB . Its time to burn the barn to kill the rats . Once again until we stop this we're a bad team with players who are'nt mentally where they need to be .

More or less......

to me, this is looking a bit Wag the Dog. Kubiak is an offensive minded coach, and David is playing better... but not very good, unless you considered his 2004 season very good. He's playing at that level now(if you ask me), and there ain't nothing wrong with saying that, I don't think. That's where his progression left off, and a good spot for Kubiak to take him further.... to where he needs to be, if we're going to keep comparing him to Elway, or if we want him to be more than JakePlummer(which I do want, and think he is more than capable of).

Our Defense sucks...... well, so does our offense. Both sides need to get better. While I understand we are still learning on Offense, the same can be said about our defense. We can't get the other team off the field on third down, and our offense can't seem to make it to third down.

I've also mentioned a few situations were David had the opportunity to do something incredible, to make a play, to be the hero that he came up short.... running out of bounds before picking up the first, throwing the quick slant to AJ in the endzone, as a man came untouched at him, throwing the ball over Walter so he can make that catch, and score a touchdown.....

No, none of that stuff is easy, but those are the plays that he has got to make somewhat more consistently to be the kind of QB we talk about, when we say David needs to get better. The Rothlisberger, the Leftwich's the Delhommes, the Palmers & the Mannings.

I think David has got the talent to compete on that level, I don't think he has so far in his 4 year career...... & I'm hoping Kubiak will get him there.... to the SteveYoung level, and not the JakePlummer, or the BrianGriese level.

 

[HOU-TEX]

In his only game as our "starter", his only game after beeing(sp) in Houston for more than 2 weeks, he's avg'd 4.1ypc....... that looks pretty good to me.

Gado didn't play particularly well against Washington...... he also might look better had he been in OTAs, TC, or even the preseason with this team.

Dude! The guy had achance to run the ball 1 time in the game. You're basing his performance off 1 run. LOL! That's funny! I told ya'll TK was funny.:bananasplit: