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Carr and his fumbles, sacks, ints, etc., put into perspective

I'm just sitting here watching the replay of the Steelers/Bengals game on NFL Network. Carson Palmer had 3 fumbles and 2 INT's. Roethlesbooger threw 3 INT's in the game. Just a little food for thought...

You guys know that I'm no Carr apologist, far from it. But I think that we're seeing the guy transform into an average NFL QB. We all know his TD/INT numbers and QB rating, but I think the biggest difference is his abitlity to get the ball downfield. He already has 8 passes for 20+ and 2 passes for 40+. Last year he had 18 and 2 respectively.

I'm not saying that we absolutely shouldn't draft Brady Quinn, but there is some doubt.
 
I'm just sitting here watching the replay of the Steelers/Bengals game on NFL Network. Carson Palmer had 3 fumbles and 2 INT's. Roethlesbooger threw 3 INT's in the game. Just a little food for thought...

You guys know that I'm no Carr apologist, far from it. But I think that we're seeing the guy transform into an average NFL QB. We all know his TD/INT numbers and QB rating, but I think the biggest difference is his abitlity to get the ball downfield. He already 8 passes for 20+ and 2 passes for 40+. Last year he had 18 and 2 respectively.

I'm not saying that we absolutely shouldn't draft Brady Quinn, but there is some doubt.
QB is not our problem. It's the defense. Haven't we known that already?
 
I'm just sitting here watching the replay of the Steelers/Bengals game on NFL Network. Carson Palmer had 3 fumbles and 2 INT's. Roethlesbooger threw 3 INT's in the game. Just a little food for thought...

You guys know that I'm no Carr apologist, far from it. But I think that we're seeing the guy transform into an average NFL QB. We all know his TD/INT numbers and QB rating, but I think the biggest difference is his abitlity to get the ball downfield. He already 8 passes for 20+ and 2 passes for 40+. Last year he had 18 and 2 respectively.

I'm not saying that we absolutely shouldn't draft Brady Quinn, but there is some doubt.

Oh God Wonger, what have you done! You started a Carr thread!

Nooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Quick, must talk about something else.........national media thinks we suck......we should have drafted Bush.............Mario is a bust.........

You may now proceed.:francis:
 
The Texans offense since inception, averages about 16 points a game. The best year was 2004, which was 19 points game. Coincidentally, that was the best year for our defense.

The defense is a huge problem, but scoring points in the teens isn't going to produce a winning team unless you have a Chicago type defense in a weak division.

Bottom line, the offense is going to have to start scoring more points, averaging around in the mid to high 20's, otherwise we will still be stuck at best a .500 record.

So, you can blame the defense all you want, the offense still has to improve on what they haven't been able to get done since year 1.
 
Carr is making big strides in showing that he can manage the O. If our D will show alil bit of life and get some stops, Carr would show more improvement than what he is showing now. Our D is dictating to many parts of every game this season, no running game cuz we're playing catch-up, TOP doubled, etc...
 
The Texans offense since inception, averages about 16 points a game. The best year was 2004, which was 19 points game. Coincidentally, that was the best year for our defense.

The defense is a huge problem, but scoring points in the teens isn't going to produce a winning team unless you have a Chicago type defense in a weak division.

Bottom line, the offense is going to have to start scoring more points, averaging around in the mid to high 20's, otherwise we will still be stuck at best a .500 record.

So, you can blame the defense all you want, the offense still has to improve on what they haven't been able to get done since year 1.

I really think this O can score in mid-20's consistantly. Once again that's where the D comes into play. With some quick 3-outs, we could win the field position battle and wouldn't have to worry about 80-yard drives everytime we touch the ball.
 
When you have a team in our division that lights it up every time like the Colts do and we meet them twice each year, then it goes without saying that defense against them needs to be our top priority. When a team that goes 10-6 during the year can barely get into the playoffs, every loss hurts. Right off the bat we lose twice each year to the Colts, that's an automatic 33% of our loses allowed for the season if we plan to barely make the playoffs. How can the defense NOT be a priority. If we can start getting points off of turnovers from the defense, this offense would be in the upper half of the league.
 
The defense is a huge problem, but scoring points in the teens isn't going to produce a winning team unless you have a Chicago type defense in a weak division.

Bottom line, the offense is going to have to start scoring more points, averaging around in the mid to high 20's, otherwise we will still be stuck at best a .500 record.

Yes the O needs to improve, but you are exagerating slightly. Most years mid pack is right around 20 points. 25 points as an average is elite area most years--just 6 teams last year. If you need that many points--your D is sucking wind.
 
carr has played better...but that doesn't mean he's helping the team. of course...the defense hasn't helped either. offense hasn't kept them in the game, nor has the defense. in fact, the defense has yet to show up to a single game this year. everybody needs to play better; not just carr, defense, etc.
 
I really think this O can score in mid-20's consistantly. Once again that's where the D comes into play. With some quick 3-outs, we could win the field position battle and wouldn't have to worry about 80-yard drives everytime we touch the ball.

I don't have your same optimism. Go through their box scores beginning with 2004. You will see the same pattern.

Of course, in 2004 there were a few shows of good games, but the offense consistently can only be expected to put up about 17 points, rush for about 100 yards, 200 yards passing, with around 25 attempts and 18 completions.

How is the defense stopping teams going to make this better when that is what they have been doing consistently over the past two years, even back to 2002, but let's give them a break because they were an expansion team.

What I am saying is, I'll believe it when I see them perfrom considerably better than those stats above in 2 out of 3 weeks.

You guys can bang on the defense all you want (and let me tell you, they deserve more criticism than the offense), but the offense has it's own set of problems regardless of what the defense does. Thinking the defense stopping people a few times and holding teams to the low 20's is going to mean the offense is going to have to play a full complete game, which in turn will bring up it's own set of problems for the offense.

I hope the Dolphins can only get in the low 20s or a little lower, because I really want to see how this offense reponds to that kind of opportunity.
 
Yes the O needs to improve, but you are exagerating slightly. Most years mid pack is right around 20 points. 25 points as an average is elite area most years--just 6 teams last year. If you need that many points--your D is sucking wind.

We have Kubiak, Sherman, Carr, Jonhson, and Moulds.

I believe McNair has in mind to have an offensive minded team that scores points and 25 as an average is a reasonable goal. They may not hit it, but they should come close or have some flashes of several weeks in a row that they could do that an entire season.

Your right though, that is an elite offense.
 
To tell you the truth HT, I really don't want to look back on the early years.:) That thing we called an O wasn't much until oppossing D's knew we only had 3 plays, off-tackle L or R, slant L or R, and dump-off L or R. This years O has shown the variety of plays, that we can actually cause mis-matches and exploit them and score points. Once again can the D hold up, that's the million-dollar question.

BTW, we scored first in 2 of 3 games, how long did it take the other team to tie the score up, that's my point. IT'S ALL ABOUT DEFENSE!!
 
To tell you the truth HT, I really don't want to look back on the early years.:) That thing we called an O wasn't much until oppossing D's knew we only had 3 plays, off-tackle L or R, slant L or R, and dump-off L or R. This years O has shown the variety of plays, that we can actually cause mis-matches and exploit them and score points. Once again can the D hold up, that's the million-dollar question.

BTW, we scored first in 2 of 3 games, how long did it take the other team to tie the score up, that's my point. IT'S ALL ABOUT DEFENSE!!

You are kind of making my point, the offense is still the same with all the changes with the first three games. Those first drives are nice, but they just about completely fell apart after that and I don't see how you can say that is a complete result of the defense.

I understand the point that the defense isn't doing the offense any favors, but the offense is getting the ball basically on their own 20 every time the other team scores.

As I have said earlier, this offense right now is only good for 17 points, about 100 yards rushing, and 200 yards passing, which is very consistent since 2002. The offense isn't doing the defense any favors, never has!

What are you guys going to say when the Texans lose to the Dolphins 20-17, 20-10, or some other low score? I hope you blame the offense from how I am understanding you.

Please keep in mind if the defense plays better and keeps the game close, the opposing defense is going to keep-or probably even turn up-the heat on the offense, those yards in the 4th quarter will not come so easy if the game is on the line.

It sounds like if the game is in the teens to low 20's, we have an automatic victory. I don't think so. I don't think this offense can perform in the clutch like that on a consistent basis. And if they can't, your defense point really doesn't matter when it comes to victories.

This isn't all about defense as you stated. Both sides of the ball need a lot work. Just so happens, the defense needs a lot more work.
 
I'm getting what you are saying HT, but why do you think we can't put together a game-winning drive. I think that this is very possible of this years team. Play-calling and scheme are the keys.
 
I'm just sitting here watching the replay of the Steelers/Bengals game on NFL Network. Carson Palmer had 3 fumbles and 2 INT's. Roethlesbooger threw 3 INT's in the game. Just a little food for thought...

You guys know that I'm no Carr apologist, far from it. But I think that we're seeing the guy transform into an average NFL QB. We all know his TD/INT numbers and QB rating, but I think the biggest difference is his abitlity to get the ball downfield. He already has 8 passes for 20+ and 2 passes for 40+. Last year he had 18 and 2 respectively.

I'm not saying that we absolutely shouldn't draft Brady Quinn, but there is some doubt.



I completely agree with your post (except for the drafting of quinn)but I am amazed that it was you who pointed it out. Kudos.

I think Carr is getting better and the o-line is a little better this year even with flanigan and Spencer out. Salaam played better than i thought he would- as did Hodgden. I think our line will be looking good by later in the year and really good by the middle of next year. I do think Kubes will right the ship (and the Carr :) ).

I am deeply disappointed with our defense so far i must say. I definatly think that at least some of the offensive mistakes have been due to the colander defense. Its hard to get the running game going when you are playing from behind.
 
I'm getting what you are saying HT, but why do you think we can't put together a game-winning drive. I think that this is very possible of this years team. Play-calling and scheme are the keys.

I think it is possible, I am just not confident they can pull it off.

With all the changes, the offense really just looks the same in my eyes, the stats are just moved around a bit.

But it is definitely possible with what you described, but they need to do it successfully for several weeks before I start expecting it.

If I expect it, then that means I could get disappointed, then I could get really mad.

Let's just say I am a skeptic of the offense, and completely mortified by the defense.
 
I think it is possible, I am just not confident they can pull it off.

With all the changes, the offense really just looks the same in my eyes, the stats are just moved around a bit.

But it is definitely possible with what you described, but they need to do it successfully for several weeks before I start expecting it.

If I expect it, then that means I could get disappointed, then I could get really mad.

Let's just say I am a skeptic of the offense, and completely mortified by the defense.

I agree with these points about doing it successfully and skeptical about the O and mortified about the D. I just think all of these ideals can be answered if we had more of a running game and actually trying to protect a lead in the 4th qtr. That way we could really see if this O is for real or just the same ol' song.
 
carr is not all the sudden turning into a good or ave qb. which a lot of people are trying to hint at. hes been a good qb who wasnt giving a chance to succeed. thats what some people on this board have been trying to make everyone understand.

carr has looked good for short periods of time when given the opportunity. but no qb could ever thrive being put in his situation. here were his primary recievers last year. bruener (cant catch). bradford (3 catches this year) gaffney (cant find a job). he had one guy to throw to and no time to find that guy. no one would look good in that situation.

now that he has been giving somewhat of a chance he is starting to look better. and will continue to look better. and as you guys tell us how carr is starting to improve we will just sit and smile because we knew all along.
 
I think he has already transformed into an average NFL QB, and we are looking at the possibility of him becoming what we hoped he would be. A QB capable of taking a team to the superbowl.
 
carr is not all the sudden turning into a good or ave qb. which a lot of people are trying to hint at. hes been a good qb who wasnt giving a chance to succeed. thats what some people on this board have been trying to make everyone understand.

carr has looked good for short periods of time when given the opportunity. but no qb could ever thrive being put in his situation. here were his primary recievers last year. bruener (cant catch). bradford (3 catches this year) gaffney (cant find a job). he had one guy to throw to and no time to find that guy. no one would look good in that situation.

now that he has been giving somewhat of a chance he is starting to look better. and will continue to look better. and as you guys tell us how carr is starting to improve we will just sit and smile because we knew all along.

Well...... IMHO, I don't believe Carr has taken advantage of the opportunities given him. If he were sacked 8 times in a game, I'd expect him to have a bad game, if he only had 10 attempts.

Peyton Manning is successful, because the risk/reward of sacking him is too high. He'll beat a blitz more times than not, and if his recievers are covered, he'll throw it away...... only giving up the down.

McNabb....... he may be worse. he's elusive in the backfield, but he makes time for his recievers to get open. If he leaves the pocket, he can pick up the first down.... if the defense swarm to him, he'll throw the ball to a wide open reciever.........

Carr...... chances are you'll get a sack....... the offense will move backwards, and if you're really lucky, you'll get a fumble & a recovery.

Carr's been playing better so far, in three games this year. I would say he's almost back to his 2004 form...... but he's got a long way to go.

David should have won us the Philly game........ If he'd have kept his feet inbounds, picked up that first....... got us into the endzone. Our D would've been soooo pumped, we'd have got the stop, or the turnover. At that point, there would have been nothing they would not have done to get Carr the ball.

Against Indy...... first play of the game....... all he's got to do, is hold onto the ball....... just hold the ball, give us a chance to punt the ball away. Then on first & 10 from the 7, blitz coming off the left, you have AJ on the left manned up on the corner...... duh..... AJ will be open on the slant.... beat the blitz, don't take the sack. That's a 14 point swing right there. We lost, by 19. It would have been a totally different game.

Against Washington.... When Walter has a step on the corner...... heading to the endzone, throw the ball over his head, let him go get it.

Everybody played poorly Weeks 1-3....... AJ dropped some balls....... Lundy can't pass block.... Weigart is a double agent.... Dunta gets burned..... CC flattens out a reciever for no reason..... there isn't a player who didn't make a mistake.

As the QB, David is in a unique position to change the game on every snap. He comes up short...... way to often.

We can watch Palmer throw three INTs, or fumble three times or whatever.... I didn't watch the game, but I bet he made some key plays at key times, to win that game......(did the Bengals win??). Eli Manning can get sacked 9 times in a game.... 7 in regulation.... but he'll make that one play, that will change the outcome of the game...... Byron Leftwich is not nearly as talented as David Carr. & you can believe the Jags are more talented than we are if you want..... but Byron's just lucky........ things just happen to work out for him all the time.....

Remember in the preseason, when we played Denver?? JakePlummer drops back, slips.... he hits the ground, but pops right back up, and throws a twenty some odd yard strike.


Am I being unfair to expect David to do the things I've asked?? Am I holding David to a higher standard than the rest of the team??

Yeah. He's the QB. I don't care if he was the #1 overall, If he's going to be successfull, if he's going to lead this team, then those are the kind of things he's got to do. Brady, Cullpepper, Rothlisberger, Brees.... these are the things these QBs do.....

If you want a Dilfer....... that's fine, if you want a BradJohnson, that's cool, that's fine. Just say you don't want Carr to be anything special..... just say you don't need a "special" QB to win the Superbowl...... I won't argue that.

But I want QB, a field general, I want a winner, a fighter, and a playmaker.
 
I'm just sitting here watching the replay of the Steelers/Bengals game on NFL Network. Carson Palmer had 3 fumbles and 2 INT's. Roethlesbooger threw 3 INT's in the game. Just a little food for thought...

You guys know that I'm no Carr apologist, far from it. But I think that we're seeing the guy transform into an average NFL QB. We all know his TD/INT numbers and QB rating, but I think the biggest difference is his abitlity to get the ball downfield. He already has 8 passes for 20+ and 2 passes for 40+. Last year he had 18 and 2 respectively.

I'm not saying that we absolutely shouldn't draft Brady Quinn, but there is some doubt.



i think its safe to say that someone cracked in too wonger account he's more of a carr hater than me.:cool: but i have to say Carr has looked better that he has in the past and im glad for that. i just hope he can be more consistent he has had two awsome 1st drive's to start a game but always seems to find a way to go back to his bad habits but he might get better with time.
 
Well...... IMHO, I don't believe Carr has taken advantage of the opportunities given him. If he were sacked 8 times in a game, I'd expect him to have a bad game, if he only had 10 attempts.

Peyton Manning is successful, because the risk/reward of sacking him is too high. He'll beat a blitz more times than not, and if his recievers are covered, he'll throw it away...... only giving up the down.

McNabb....... he may be worse. he's elusive in the backfield, but he makes time for his recievers to get open. If he leaves the pocket, he can pick up the first down.... if the defense swarm to him, he'll throw the ball to a wide open reciever.........

Carr...... chances are you'll get a sack....... the offense will move backwards, and if you're really lucky, you'll get a fumble & a recovery.

Carr's been playing better so far, in three games this year. I would say he's almost back to his 2004 form...... but he's got a long way to go.

David should have won us the Philly game........ If he'd have kept his feet inbounds, picked up that first....... got us into the endzone. Our D would've been soooo pumped, we'd have got the stop, or the turnover. At that point, there would have been nothing they would not have done to get Carr the ball.

Against Indy...... first play of the game....... all he's got to do, is hold onto the ball....... just hold the ball, give us a chance to punt the ball away. Then on first & 10 from the 7, blitz coming off the left, you have AJ on the left manned up on the corner...... duh..... AJ will be open on the slant.... beat the blitz, don't take the sack. That's a 14 point swing right there. We lost, by 19. It would have been a totally different game.

Against Washington.... When Walter has a step on the corner...... heading to the endzone, throw the ball over his head, let him go get it.

Everybody played poorly Weeks 1-3....... AJ dropped some balls....... Lundy can't pass block.... Weigart is a double agent.... Dunta gets burned..... CC flattens out a reciever for no reason..... there isn't a player who didn't make a mistake.

As the QB, David is in a unique position to change the game on every snap. He comes up short...... way to often.

We can watch Palmer throw three INTs, or fumble three times or whatever.... I didn't watch the game, but I bet he made some key plays at key times, to win that game......(did the Bengals win??). Eli Manning can get sacked 9 times in a game.... 7 in regulation.... but he'll make that one play, that will change the outcome of the game...... Byron Leftwich is not nearly as talented as David Carr. & you can believe the Jags are more talented than we are if you want..... but Byron's just lucky........ things just happen to work out for him all the time.....

Remember in the preseason, when we played Denver?? JakePlummer drops back, slips.... he hits the ground, but pops right back up, and throws a twenty some odd yard strike.


Am I being unfair to expect David to do the things I've asked?? Am I holding David to a higher standard than the rest of the team??

Yeah. He's the QB. I don't care if he was the #1 overall, If he's going to be successfull, if he's going to lead this team, then those are the kind of things he's got to do. Brady, Cullpepper, Rothlisberger, Brees.... these are the things these QBs do.....

If you want a Dilfer....... that's fine, if you want a BradJohnson, that's cool, that's fine. Just say you don't want Carr to be anything special..... just say you don't need a "special" QB to win the Superbowl...... I won't argue that.

But I want QB, a field general, I want a winner, a fighter, and a playmaker.

those guys you mention play on better teams. thats why they can make mistakes and still have a chance to pull it out in the end. when was the last time carr had a chance to win a game at the end.

and what makes you think our defense would of made a play to stop philly. they had a 9 min drive to end the game.
 
Carr has the number 1 passer rating in the NFL, and only 2 people have more TDs than he does. He has more TDs than Peyton Manning, and just 1 pick through 3 games against 3 good defenses.Hes averaging over 210 yards a game and 2 TDs a game. This is with no running game and no defense.

http://www.nfl.com/stats/leaders/NFL/PRAT/2006/regular

He fumbled the ball on the first snap of the game against Indy.... his coach wants to know where he disappears to in the 2nd & 3rd Qtr... He runs out of bounds against Philly, and he Underthrows Walter in the endzone......
 
those guys you mention play on better teams. thats why they can make mistakes and still have a chance to pull it out in the end. when was the last time carr had a chance to win a game at the end.

and what makes you think our defense would of made a play to stop philly. they had a 9 min drive to end the game.

right there in Philly, Carr had the opportunity to win the game.... we would have had momentum.....

he goes out of bounds, and throws the ball at a jumping safety..... kinda kills what momentum we had building up.
 
He fumbled the ball on the first snap of the game against Indy.... his coach wants to know where he disappears to in the 2nd & 3rd Qtr... He runs out of bounds against Philly, and he Underthrows Walter in the endzone......


He can barely get on the field in the 2nd and 3rd quarters because the defense is too buisy getting mashed. The supposedly improved offensive line still sucks. And the Texans havent had any running game all year, why would the defense try to do anything but shut down the passing game. If we could get 1 rushing TD a game we would be averaging over 21 points a game, Carr cant do it all.
 
right there in Philly, Carr had the opportunity to win the game.... we would have had momentum.....

he goes out of bounds, and throws the ball at a jumping safety..... kinda kills what momentum we had building up.

How about some protection so that he doesnt have to run at all. When Carr has had time,he has executed, thats all there is to it.
 
How about some protection so that he doesnt have to run at all. When Carr has had time,he has executed, thats all there is to it.

He's had as much time as our defenses have been giving our opposing QBs... He just doesn't manage the time as well.
 
Kenny Wright outfought Kevin Walter for that pass. That was an example of Carr giving his WR a chance to make a play, in hopes of getting a quick score to put us back in the game. Was that the best decision, or a great throw for that matter? No. But I can see where Carr was trying to go with it. If it had been a more direct throw and had been straight to a defender then yea, horrible pass. But this was a 30 yard throw with plenty of air under it, Kevin Walter could've outfought Wright and we've got 6, or he could have atleast batted the ball down. When Carson Palmer lobs one up to Chris Henry or TJ Houshmanzadeh and they outwork the CB for a TD, Palmer's hailed as a great QB (which he is), when Carr does the same and the CB outworks his WR he made a horrible decision. It's tough being a QB these days.

Also, IMO Carr has surpassed his 2004 form, I won't feed you stats, but I've never seen Carr look this good. Andre's had some drops when the balls hit him square in the numbers, but people still seem to think he's playing at a pro bowl level. Apparently Carr isn't allowed to make mistakes. Bottom line is Carr and the passing attack are getting us closer to W's, not further away, which is a welcome change after their last 4 seasons.
 
He's had as much time as our defenses have been giving our opposing QBs... He just doesn't manage the time as well.

Buff's right about Carr having less opportunities. Did you notice how the Redskins used up like 11 of the 15 minutes in the 3rd quarter with one drive? Sure is hard to get in a rhythm when you only touch the ball once a quarter.
 
Carr is getting better. I'm still amazed at all of the callers wanting Carr to be benched and traded, etc.

I still think he's being held back as far as passing the ball. Kubes!!!! Don't be scared to let Carr put the ball in the air. It has been working. IMO, that's what's gonna help kick start the running game for this team. Which will lead to the offense becoming a beast, which will improve our defense by them not being on the field over half the game.
 
He's had as much time as our defenses have been giving our opposing QBs... He just doesn't manage the time as well.

thats an insane statement. he would light up our defense. why do you think our coaches dont realize how bad our o-line is untill the reagular season starts. cause our d line is so bad they cant even get pressure on our own qb.
 
Kenny Wright outfought Kevin Walter for that pass. That was an example of Carr giving his WR a chance to make a play, in hopes of getting a quick score to put us back in the game. Was that the best decision, or a great throw for that matter? No. But I can see where Carr was trying to go with it. If it had been a more direct throw and had been straight to a defender then yea, horrible pass. But this was a 30 yard throw with plenty of air under it, Kevin Walter could've outfought Wright and we've got 6, or he could have atleast batted the ball down. When Carson Palmer lobs one up to Chris Henry or TJ Houshmanzadeh and they outwork the CB for a TD, Palmer's hailed as a great QB (which he is), when Carr does the same and the CB outworks his WR he made a horrible decision. It's tough being a QB these days.

Also, IMO Carr has surpassed his 2004 form, I won't feed you stats, but I've never seen Carr look this good. Andre's had some drops when the balls hit him square in the numbers, but people still seem to think he's playing at a pro bowl level. Apparently Carr isn't allowed to make mistakes. Bottom line is Carr and the passing attack are getting us closer to W's, not further away, which is a welcome change after their last 4 seasons.


He's been hitting Andre's back shoulder.... not a bad throw for an avg NFL QB. Not the kind of thing an elite QB does on a regular basis.

And Kenny Wright didn't outfight Walter for that ball.... it was underthrown, just like the one that was incomplet to AJ going down the middle of the field earlier, and the one thrown to AJ that he got the PI call inside the five.

If nothing else, Carr should've thrown that ball sooner, get it out in front, if the CB is inside & behind the reciever. If our reciever is a step behind, and the Corner is on the inside, then yeah... Walter has an opportunity to fight for that one.

There is a difference between an underthrown ball, and giving your reciever an opportunity to make a play. The elites know the difference.
 
thats an insane statement. he would light up our defense. why do you think our coaches dont realize how bad our o-line is untill the reagular season starts. cause our d line is so bad they cant even get pressure on our own qb.

It's true, I've taped all three games, I've timed most every snapp......... he's had the same time, except for the first snap of the Indy game......

on avg, he has about 2.6 seconds.... that's about the time that everyone's been getting rid of the ball.... Brunnells had more thrown in less time, but overall McNabb, Carr, Peyton, & Brunnells seems to like to get the ball out in 2.6 seconds.
 
He's had as much time as our defenses have been giving our opposing QBs... He just doesn't manage the time as well.

that's just incorrect tk. there have been a couple times that carr's had enough time to dance in the pocket, but it's not the norm. opposing qb's however have had that long and longer on the majority of their passing downs. then again, it's very rare that only 4 rushers have been sent at carr where as it's rare that we send more than 4. it's actually where carr looks his worst is when he's got time. the clock in his head goes off and he panics, obviously losing sight of his receivers and getting happy feet (a lot of the reason kubiak's trying to slow him down).
 
It's true, I've taped all three games, I've timed most every snapp......... he's had the same time, except for the first snap of the Indy game......

on avg, he has about 2.6 seconds.... that's about the time that everyone's been getting rid of the ball.... Brunnells had more thrown in less time, but overall McNabb, Carr, Peyton, & Brunnells seems to like to get the ball out in 2.6 seconds.

carr's getting hit at 2.6 seconds where as the others are throwing at 2.6 seconds ... having atleast another second of breathing space from the defenders and clear lanes.
 
He fumbled the ball on the first snap of the game against Indy.... his coach wants to know where he disappears to in the 2nd & 3rd Qtr... He runs out of bounds against Philly, and he Underthrows Walter in the endzone......

He's been on the sidelines watching the defense get manhandled. Our total time of possession in the 2nd and 3rd quarters of our three games this season has been 32:57. That is just over 30 minutes out of 90 minutes, or 6 quarters.
 
It's true, I've taped all three games, I've timed most every snapp......... he's had the same time, except for the first snap of the Indy game......

on avg, he has about 2.6 seconds.... that's about the time that everyone's been getting rid of the ball.... Brunnells had more thrown in less time, but overall McNabb, Carr, Peyton, & Brunnells seems to like to get the ball out in 2.6 seconds.

i record the games also. i dont see the same thing as you.
 
It's true, I've taped all three games, I've timed most every snapp......... he's had the same time, except for the first snap of the Indy game......

on avg, he has about 2.6 seconds.... that's about the time that everyone's been getting rid of the ball.... Brunnells had more thrown in less time, but overall McNabb, Carr, Peyton, & Brunnells seems to like to get the ball out in 2.6 seconds.


Manning and McNabb could sit in the backfield drink a cup of coffee, read the newspaper, and then throw the ball. They have been sacked a total of 10 times this season, the same amount as Carr has been sacked. Seems kind of a coincidence that you say Carr has 2.6 seconds to throw the ball then say that Manning and McNabb get rid of the ball in about 2.6 seconds, have you timed how long Manning and McNabb have in the backfield or hold onto the ball or are you guesstimating?
 
Carr is getting better. I'm still amazed at all of the callers wanting Carr to be benched and traded, etc.

I still think he's being held back as far as passing the ball. Kubes!!!! Don't be scared to let Carr put the ball in the air. It has been working. IMO, that's what's gonna help kick start the running game for this team. Which will lead to the offense becoming a beast, which will improve our defense by them not being on the field over half the game.

Just so there is no misunderstandings........

I'm not bashing David. I don't believe that we lost any of these games because of David...... I don't think he had a bigger part in any of these losses than any other player on the team.

I think David is playing better than he did last year, and that he is playing well.

I'm saying he has been given opportunities that would move him closer to what I want him to be, and he failed to capitalize on them. Much like when Mario gets into the backfield untouched. He has an opportunity to stop a runner for a loss, sack the QB, or bat a ball down. But so far, he's come up a fraction of a second late, for whatever reason.

I don't think Kubes is holding him back, a good point from Sunday's game, is that David went to the WR early, and more often through out the game. I think a big part of that is Kubes getting him plays that he likes. Like those three consecutive completions to Andre in the forth...... all underneath stuff, that AJ has to turn into big gains....
 
Buff's right about Carr having less opportunities. Did you notice how the Redskins used up like 11 of the 15 minutes in the 3rd quarter with one drive? Sure is hard to get in a rhythm when you only touch the ball once a quarter.

We had four possesions in the first half, Washington had five. We had four possessions in the second half, Washington had three....

He's been on the sidelines watching the defense get
manhandled. Our total time of possession in the 2nd and 3rd quarters of our three games this season has been 32:57. That is just over 30 minutes out of 90 minutes, or 6 quarters.

Yeah..... it's a bummer how fumbles, sacks, incomplete passes, and penalties kill a drive.

Manning and McNabb could sit in the backfield drink a cup of coffee, read the newspaper, and then throw the ball. They have been sacked a total of 10 times this season, the same amount as Carr has been sacked. Seems kind of a coincidence that you say Carr has 2.6 seconds to throw the ball then say that Manning and McNabb get rid of the ball in about 2.6 seconds, have you timed how long Manning and McNabb have in the backfield or hold onto the ball or are you guesstimating?

They've been sacked 10 times total each, or put together?? David's only been sacked 11 times...
 
We had four possesions in the first half, Washington had five. We had four possessions in the second half, Washington had three....



Yeah..... it's a bummer how fumbles, sacks, incomplete passes, and penalties kill a drive.



They've been sacked 10 times total each, or put together?? David's only been sacked 11 times...

Carr has been sacked 10 times, Manning and McNabb 5 times each this season.
 
We had four possesions in the first half, Washington had five. We had four possessions in the second half, Washington had three....



Yeah..... it's a bummer how fumbles, sacks, incomplete passes, and penalties kill a drive.



They've been sacked 10 times total each, or put together?? David's only been sacked 11 times...

And Washington owned us in time of possession, they had the ball 38 minutes and 7 seconds out of 60 minutes, which means we had the ball 21 minutes and 53 seconds out of 60 minutes. When your defense is allowing almost 500 yards a game, your opponent is usually going to have the advantage in time of possession no matter who has how many drives.
 
We had four possesions in the first half, Washington had five. We had four possessions in the second half, Washington had three....



Yeah..... it's a bummer how fumbles, sacks, incomplete passes, and penalties kill a drive.


They've been sacked 10 times total each, or put together?? David's only been sacked 11 times...

Carr has one fumble, hes not dropping the ball like Kurt Warner, so what are you talking about, 90% of the time the sacks are the o-lines fault and how many penalties has Carr had personaly. What does he hae to do with that.


And as far as incompletions are concerned, Carr is completing 60% of his passes which is good for any NFL QB and that is against 3 of the most talented secondaries in the NFL.

Lets see who he faced:

Michael Lewis
Lito Sheppard
Brian Dawkins
Bob Sanders
Mike Doss
Nick Harper
Adam Archuleta
Carlos Rogers
Sean Taylor

Those are arguably some of the best DBs in the NFL not to mention that he had to worry about Dwight Freeny, Robert Mathis, Jevon Kearse, Darren Howard, Jeramaih Trotter(Blitzing). All this and has stil completed 60% of his passes and has 6 TDs. WITH NO RUNNING GAME
 
We had four possesions in the first half, Washington had five. We had four possessions in the second half, Washington had three....



Yeah..... it's a bummer how fumbles, sacks, incomplete passes, and penalties kill a drive.



They've been sacked 10 times total each, or put together?? David's only been sacked 11 times...

Out of 12 drives we have had in the 2nd and 3rd quarters this season, we have had 4 offensive penalties, given up 3 sacks, and had 2 fumbles that we recovered, I don't see much there that is enough to stop 12 drives.
 
It's kinda strange but I think the best thing Kubes has brought to the Texans so far has been his ability to salvage Carr as an NFL QB....Carr's one tuff mutha%&^% in my book as far as how much punishment he has taken in his career. He's got my respect....

I say we give the guy a break...these recent fumbles have been Carr just working through his final stages of getting over shell shock...

Honestly, I cant think of one QB in the league that could go through the past fews years of the O-line and coaching that the Texans have gone through and STILL HAVE EVEN A GLIMMER OF POTENTIAL...like Carr still has...

this team was built from scratch, he's been here from the beginning and FINALLY i can put him on my fantasy football team as my #2 QB!!!!
He's gettin better. Our team has bigger problems. Carr's not one of them.
 
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