kbourda
Veteran
Oh by the way the Mario bashing will end when Mario starts bashing Qbs and Rbs!
Amen to that!
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Stop Bashing Mario Williams!!!!!!!!!
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Amen to that!
Kaiser Toro
Native Mod
Is this one of those heart on a sleeve deals?
Napa Auto Parts
Veteran
Didn't read this thread completely but somebody said, "Check out the stats."
Jevon Kearse: 1999 (rookie year)
16 games
48 tackles
9 assists
14.5 sacks
Michael Strahan: 1993 (rookie year)
9 games
1 tackle
2 assists
1 sack
Dwight Freeney: 2002 (rookie year)
16 games
40 tackles
1 assist
13 sacks
Jason Babin: 2004 (rookie year)
16 games
51 tackles
12 assists
4 sacks
Kevin Carter: 1995 (rookie year)
16 games
33 tackles
4 assists
6 sacks
Kalimba Edwards: 2002 (rookie year)
16 games
28 tackles
8 assists
6.5 sacks
Julius Peppers: 2002 (rookie year)
12 games
28 tackles
7 assists
12 sacks
1 interception
Simeon Rice: 1996 (rookie year)
16 games
41 tackles
9 assists
12.5 sacks
Jason Taylor: 1997 (rookie year)
13 games
30 tackles
12 assists
5 sacks
Mario Williams: 2006 (rookie year)
3 games
6 tackles
2 assists
FWIW
Good point but some of these players weren't the 1st overall Selection i would venture to say none of the players above are the 1st overall selection of there draft class. i would even go as far as to say some of the names on this list might even be third 2nd to 3rd Rounders.
Kaiser Toro
Native Mod
Nooooooo, we cannot forget. We must continue to let the world know. Please promise you will continue to give us these informative and riveting takes on Mario being a bust.
He is........ you can't watch these games, and not see it.
No he hasn't. Tell me when & where, I'll find it...... this is a myth started by Reggie & Vince trolls..... it's just easy to sell to fans of a loosing team on a witch hunt........ don't fall for it.
Get over it. If you want to continue the argument for drafting Vince Young, pick on the QB.... the one with the highest QB rating after three games.
Upset we didn't take Reggie.... fuggetaboutit......... we got a TE in the 4th, that we can split out as a reciever, or motion in as a fullback. He can run routes like a reciever, and he can catch out of the backfield. If we leave him on the line, Defenses have to wonder if he is there for protection...... because he can block very well. or if he'll threaten the middle of the field & open up our WRs......
...... oh yeah..... he also has two touchdowns....
He was also a Junior........
It's only been three games..... at least let him make it to the bye week...... our schedule eases up a little bit there..... he'll have plenty of multisack games...... if we're lucky, we'll even get to see if he can catch VinceYoung. fingers crossed.
Let's look at this no pressure that we are getting on the Qb........
PeytonManning....... against the Giants....... sacked once...... against the Texans(who put absolutely no pressure on the QB whatsoever.........) sacked twice.... against the Jacksonville Jaguars..... who hands down have the best defense in the AFC South..... 2 sacks.
So we tie with the best defense in the AFC South.
Now...... Donovan McNabb....... sacked once by the Texans.... that's us. sacked once by the Giants...... that's the team with OsiUmenyiora, Lavar Arrington, MathiasKiwanuka, & oh yeah the single season sack record holder..... MichaelStrahan.
& three times against the 49ers..... Manny Lawson probably had two of those.
Now... MarkBrunnel.... sacked zero times by Minnesota.... & six times by Dallas........ who runs a 3-4..... a defensive scheme, that we as fans said wasn't any good. They also didn't have to worry about Clinton Portis.....
and 0 times by Houston........
so...... sack wise...... we're coming up about avg as a team. through all the stupid defensive scheming & 4 man rushing...... and moving Mario to tackle, then switching the side of the line...... then playing with someone different on your left side(or your right side, depending since you are Mario Williams and you play both sides) every other down........
SeanPayton...... he dumped all his linebakers, and got three FAs to start.
Are you married?? Have you everbeen??
if you are, or have, then you'll know what I mean. If you haven't then it really shouldn't be too hard to imagine.
NObody is perfect. That woman is going to do things that is going to upset you. She's going to frustrate you at times...... just being her..... not trying to get your goat or anything... but just because she is she, and you are you.
Now..... you can talk to her, let her know what things upset you, and what things don't...... tell her what you'd like her to do more of, and what you'd like to see her do less of. She is not going to take all your suggestions. Especially if you're yelling your head off, and insulting her just as much as you "criticize" her.
Now when you go talk to her family..... if you go about "criticizing" her the way you are criticizing our team....... our organization........ you better believe they are going to treat you & everything you say the way you are being treated here.
Not everyone who criticizes Mario or David for that matter is getting the treatment you are getting........
think about it.
southtexan
Waterboy
I'm a MW supporter, eventually he will play up to his potential. What bothers me the most is that the Redskins 6th round pick got a sack and recovered Carr's fumble, I don't know the guys name.
Kaiser Toro
Native Mod
You just came to the conclusion?
Kaiser Toro
Native Mod
southtexan
Waterboy
Hola mod de los amigos invisibles, do I sense some sarcasm?
Kaiser Toro
Native Mod
Thick as Houston humidity.
Why do you bother to defend yourself? People know what they believe, and this baord isn't going to change them. Some people know RB is bust despite what he does, and others believe him to be superman despite how he plays.
The truth is, it makes no difference how RB plays. This thread is about how bad Mario Williams is playing.
Maybe RB isn't superman. Or, maybe his mere presence is giving confidence to the fans, which then gives confidence to the players. A team that believes in themselves can win a lot of games.
The fact of the matter is, MW's worth will only be determined by how many sacks/tackles/ff/pressures/etc he puts up. Right now he is sorely lcking in every statistical category. So quit arguing about Bush. He is irrelevent. The issue at hand is how bad our #1 pick is playing, and whether or not its fair to jump on him this early in the year.
The truth is, it makes no difference how RB plays. This thread is about how bad Mario Williams is playing.
Maybe RB isn't superman. Or, maybe his mere presence is giving confidence to the fans, which then gives confidence to the players. A team that believes in themselves can win a lot of games.
The fact of the matter is, MW's worth will only be determined by how many sacks/tackles/ff/pressures/etc he puts up. Right now he is sorely lcking in every statistical category. So quit arguing about Bush. He is irrelevent. The issue at hand is how bad our #1 pick is playing, and whether or not its fair to jump on him this early in the year.
Sheesh I wish this thread would get closed. Half the people think he's a bust after 3 games, the others think he's doing well and citing watching the game (where are you seeing this???). This is like two deaf people yelling at each other. Both somehow think their arguments arer going to change the tide, but no one is listening
Saints are 3-0 one because of there schedulemore then there drafting of Bush. Reggie Bush effect has been minimal. He could have not played and they still would have won those three games
ahh a futile post about a futile argument..........
what could be more futile??
uh....... wait a minute....
Start your AdrianPetson Bowl right now, and you'll find out the real reason we didn't draft Reggie.......
number1stunner
Practice Squad
The problem I have with the pick of Mario Williams is the fact that the Texans needed/need an identity. When you think of these teams, what do you think of?
Baltimore?
Indianapolis?
Pittsburgh?
Denver?
The selection of Reggie Bush would've IMO solitified our offense. We weren't going to the Super Bowl this year so fix one side of the ball at a time. Look at what Bush is doing for the Saints. How much attention did the Falcons D pay to Bush on the reverse? Their D didn't stay at home because of the threat of what Bush can do. You line up Bush in the slot on the Texans and Johnson and Moulds will get plenty of opportunities to make plays because of the threat of Reggie Bush.
Mario Williams is not a #1 overall pick. The Texans put Williams behind the 8-ball of pressure by taking him #1. If you wanted to fix this team on both sides of the ball, they should have dealt the pick for multiple picks, plain and simple.
By the way, what sense did it make to have Casserly running the draft when you knew you were going to cap him in a month? I'm still trying to figure that one out.
Baltimore?
Indianapolis?
Pittsburgh?
Denver?
The selection of Reggie Bush would've IMO solitified our offense. We weren't going to the Super Bowl this year so fix one side of the ball at a time. Look at what Bush is doing for the Saints. How much attention did the Falcons D pay to Bush on the reverse? Their D didn't stay at home because of the threat of what Bush can do. You line up Bush in the slot on the Texans and Johnson and Moulds will get plenty of opportunities to make plays because of the threat of Reggie Bush.
Mario Williams is not a #1 overall pick. The Texans put Williams behind the 8-ball of pressure by taking him #1. If you wanted to fix this team on both sides of the ball, they should have dealt the pick for multiple picks, plain and simple.
By the way, what sense did it make to have Casserly running the draft when you knew you were going to cap him in a month? I'm still trying to figure that one out.
Scooter
Funky
defense
peyton
defense
kubiak
denver has 2 rings, for the first they had the 4th ranked defense. for the second they had the 12th ranked (and top 5 against the run). indy got good with manning, but they keep going farther as their defense improves. pittsburgh had the 4th ranked defense last year, and the 1st the year before during their 15-1 season. baltimore ranked 1st in 2000 for their superbowl. st louis (greatest show on turf) had the 3rd ranked defense in their 01 superbowl loss and 7th (first in rushing D) for their 99 superbowl win. the patriots were 7th & 9th respectively in 03 & 04 ... the only oddity is being ranked 24th in 01 (top 3 however in TD's allowed).
the theme? coaching and defense.
number1stunner
Practice Squad
The point is they don't have an identity. I'd rather have Bush and we lose 28-21 or 35-28 every week with a solid offense than lose the way they are now. Getting your head kicked in every week is not fun to watch.
If you go defense in the draft, they should've went CB or LB. The 3-4 was not a bad system. We just had the wrong players for it. Babin is not an OLB and neither is Peek. If you want the blueprint of how to beat the Colts, ask San Diego. They laid the blueprint and the Steelers followed it perfectly. Your LB's and safety's need to apply pressure to Manning by blitzing. A DE is not going to get to Manning because their line is too good.
SteveMcNair
Peyton
Cowher
ZBS
& like it or not, the Texans' identity has to do with the number of sacks we've given up in the past 4.3 seasons..... & that ain't going to change by adding Reggie to our roster.
What's wrong with our offense now??
Running the ball?? Reggie doesn't do that... a significant deep threat?? We have two of them, just have a problem getting them the ball.
We even have a 4th round gem that keeps the defense from keying in on either of these guys, and he's got two touch downs in 3 games to prove it. And, he can pass block, run block, & lead block. We can split him out as a WR, Slot reciever, H-back, & he can catch coming out of the Fullback position.
about as much attention as we've been giving to LedellBetts, BrianWestbrook, AntowaineRandle-El, SantanaMoss, & J.Addai
The Reggie Bush who has been tackled by the first guy to touch him all night??
& I could go on & on... no mismatches...... just base personnel..... & Reggie looking like an avg running back. His coach yelling at him, his QB telling him to run his route past the sticks on third down..... just another rookie RB. LIke Joseph Addai, LaurenceMaroney, & D'AngeloWilliams.
If you've been watching, you'd notice the problem is not that these two can't get open.....
So what are you saying?? that you wouldn't have drafted Reggie either??
Casserly was the face man......... Kubiak ran that draft, and will run future drafts.....
Second Honeymoon
Hall of Fame
QFT. Quoted For Truth.
Bottom line is that Bush came off as arrogant to McNair and arrogant let his pride get in the way of common sense...thus he wasn't picked...then Vince was never even an option because they didn't want to hurt Carr's feelings and were happy with Carr. Mario looks like a truly horrible pick right now but lets give the guy the rest of the year before we pass judgement on him...
doug from the woodlands
powerfuldragon
Enchilada Aficionado.
How can he all out rush when he's shuffled like a deck in vegas.
El Tejano
Hall of Fame
We should all be upset that Mario hasn't worked by now. If he had gotten a sack we might be willing to say okay the kid is going to be a player. Truth is though he hasn't held up to the bargain that our staff has asked us to agree with and that is that he makes an immediate impact to our team and makes everyone else better and that he was needed for us to become a better football team.
If you ask me, I would rather lineup anybody else right now in his place because it would be the same difference.
Now to say that we should've drafted Bush, well I don't think Bush would've helped us win those games because in order for him to play our defense has to get on the field. Our defense sucks and Mario has been a contributor to that.
If you ask me, I would rather lineup anybody else right now in his place because it would be the same difference.
Now to say that we should've drafted Bush, well I don't think Bush would've helped us win those games because in order for him to play our defense has to get on the field. Our defense sucks and Mario has been a contributor to that.
Texans_Chick
Utopian Dreamer
Lots of stuff in this thread. I think like much on this team, there are valid criticisms and ones that are exaggerated.
"Williams = just a workout warrior":
Mario Williams: 126 solo tackles / 25 1/2 sacks / 55 1/2 tackles for loss
Julius Peppers: 128 solo tackles / 30 1/2 sacks / 53 tackles for loss
Their junior stats are pretty similar too:
Mario Williams: 62 tackles, 14.5 sacks, 2 forced fumbles, 1 blocked kick, 1 safety, 4 fumble recoveries, 27.5 tackles for loss
Julius Peppers: 63 tackles, 9.5 sacks, 1 forced fumble and 3 interceptions, including one returned for a touchdown.
Williams stats come as a true junior, and Peppers stats come as a redshirt junior.
I don't know whether Williams will be a great player or not, but the coaches need to figure out how to put all the players in positions to help them succeed.
Kubiak has eluded to stuff being too confusing to a lot of the defense, and ultimately, as a player if you are thinking too much and not just playing, you won't be able to succeed.
Let's just say that there is nothing in the track record of Richard Smith that inspires confidence that he knows the right way to develop players or scheme stuff. It is hard not to think of him as a big cheeseball.
And I have read enough Kubiak/Shanahan stuff to know that it is a good sign if he accurately describes a player's play when asked about it. If he stops talking about you or if he reaches to say something nice, then that is bad.
Like saying nice stuff during the Kubiak show about Thomas Johnson after he blew it on the unnecessary roughness call--"It is on us to make sure he knows the rules in that situation."
He has also said how he needs for Mario to play better sooner. Why? Because it is not like he is being added to a probowl line. We spend money on the line, but the Texans offense line used to be the most expensive one in the league too.
People see what they want to see with Maria, or Sorryio, or whatever pejorative you want to use for a player in his 3rd game in the league.
My view: he's young, it's his third game, he has mostly young guys on the line with him (with exception of Weaver), and he has Richard Smith has his defensive coordinator. You can see those as making excuses, or you can see as just what the reality is.
"Williams = just a workout warrior":
Mario Williams: 126 solo tackles / 25 1/2 sacks / 55 1/2 tackles for loss
Julius Peppers: 128 solo tackles / 30 1/2 sacks / 53 tackles for loss
Their junior stats are pretty similar too:
Mario Williams: 62 tackles, 14.5 sacks, 2 forced fumbles, 1 blocked kick, 1 safety, 4 fumble recoveries, 27.5 tackles for loss
Julius Peppers: 63 tackles, 9.5 sacks, 1 forced fumble and 3 interceptions, including one returned for a touchdown.
Williams stats come as a true junior, and Peppers stats come as a redshirt junior.
I don't know whether Williams will be a great player or not, but the coaches need to figure out how to put all the players in positions to help them succeed.
Kubiak has eluded to stuff being too confusing to a lot of the defense, and ultimately, as a player if you are thinking too much and not just playing, you won't be able to succeed.
Let's just say that there is nothing in the track record of Richard Smith that inspires confidence that he knows the right way to develop players or scheme stuff. It is hard not to think of him as a big cheeseball.
And I have read enough Kubiak/Shanahan stuff to know that it is a good sign if he accurately describes a player's play when asked about it. If he stops talking about you or if he reaches to say something nice, then that is bad.
Like saying nice stuff during the Kubiak show about Thomas Johnson after he blew it on the unnecessary roughness call--"It is on us to make sure he knows the rules in that situation."
He has also said how he needs for Mario to play better sooner. Why? Because it is not like he is being added to a probowl line. We spend money on the line, but the Texans offense line used to be the most expensive one in the league too.
People see what they want to see with Maria, or Sorryio, or whatever pejorative you want to use for a player in his 3rd game in the league.
My view: he's young, it's his third game, he has mostly young guys on the line with him (with exception of Weaver), and he has Richard Smith has his defensive coordinator. You can see those as making excuses, or you can see as just what the reality is.
eriadoc
Texan-American
I definitely agree. I believe every player should have final judgment passed after their rookie season. If we fans deem Mario a bust after his rookie year, maybe we can demand that McNair cut him outright.
Mr teX
Hall of Fame
You guys place way too much emphasis on the # 1 overall selection thing. If he turns out to be a bust, he won't be the 1st & surely won't be the last (Especially for this franchise). Though not many, other teams had him as the best player over Bush, Young & Lienart. Plus, every 1st round selection is expected to make an impact with the exception of the super bowl winner's that year. So if we had taken him 5th or 20th overall what would you guys be saying?
In addition, many here wanted to take Young 1st overall, & he is considered a project much like Mario by almost every team, If Williams had not come out & we took Vince would you guys still be saying "you shouldn't take a player that is a project that high overall." It's time to stop all the arm-chair GM stuff.
TheOgre
All Pro
That can be a contributing factor. I experienced that by having 3 HC's during high school. Needless to say, it was a bit confusing. When you are not 100% sure what you are supposed to do on a given play, it makes you tentative. I see that in Mario Williams right now. I think he is in his head too much.
TheOgre
All Pro
The Dolphins will counter that by having subterranean beams sent from the core of the Earth (it is new Chinese technology).
kastofsna
Hall of Fame
while i agree you should feel free to bash whoever is on your team, i also think you have to take into consideration that he IS a rookie and that he never had great technique to begin with, so it'll take some time to get it all sorted out.
btw, as the resident dolphins fan, i have a huge feeling that he's going to get it "sorted out" this week. because the dolphins are notorious for allowing rookies and other players of the like have huge games. it's what we do! plus our line blows and culpepper is really slow.
btw, as the resident dolphins fan, i have a huge feeling that he's going to get it "sorted out" this week. because the dolphins are notorious for allowing rookies and other players of the like have huge games. it's what we do! plus our line blows and culpepper is really slow.
Vinny
shiny happy fan
Teams that pay 60 mil to rookies in the cap era over and over just to have them play like average players generally end up bad teams.
HOU-TEX
Ah, Football!
Well then it should be a nice match up. The way our defense is allowing QBs to have player of the week type games, things might even out to provide a decent game.
kastofsna
Hall of Fame
i'm fully expecting culpepper to complete his first 23 passes.Well then it should be a nice match up. The way our defense is allowing QBs to have player of the week type games, things might even out to provide a decent game.
HOU-TEX
Ah, Football!
LOL! Well I hope not, but the way things have been going I'm not going to exclude the possibility.
Hulk75
Veteran
Wow.Simply Amazing.
Mr teX
Hall of Fame
That is true, but the point i was trying to make is that people on this board when confronted with comparative stats on how other DE's played through there rookie year always come back with "so in so wasn't the # 1 overall pick" & neglect the fact that there is no guarantee in drafts. Just cause (insert player name here) dominated in College from the jump doesn't mean he will in the NFL. Everyone remembers players like Curtis Ennis, Tim Biakabutuka, Eric Metcalf (Reggie Bush?) & Hershcel Walker. They were sureto dominate in the NFL too, & well look what happened to them. Heck, one of the Greatest DE's to ever play only had what 6.5 sacks his rookie year (Bruce Smith)?
Houston vs Miami, will most likely be a repeat of Washington @ Houston. A poor offense vs a poor defense usually goes the way of the offense. Hint... use a lot of screen passes.
An avg offense who keeps getting in their own way vs a veteran above avg defense doesn't bode well for the offensive team.
There will be plenty of seats available, try eBay or something.... don't settle for seats outside the 30s....
I'll bet you money RichardSmith is an even bigger Moron.
Bring the screen.. I gaurantee you 500 yards of total offense.
K
kingh99
Guest
Bush was a big tent problem for McNair. McNair isn't secure enough to accept a guy like Bush at this time. The fact that the offense can't convert on 3rd down has a lot to do with how the defense is performing. I bought season tickets 2 days before the draft expecting Bush this year. I feel like I got royally screwed by McNair. Royally. Was willing to watch a work in progress for the chance to see Bush break one. Now he isn't tearing it up but his team is 3-0. Scoreboard.
kastofsna
Hall of Fame
well that's the problem: it'll WORK. so we won't use it. it's as simple as that.
K
kingh99
Guest
?? I saw a couple last Sunday.
kastofsna
Hall of Fame
i didn't. what game were you watching?