Stop Bashing Mario Williams!!!!!!!!!

[Blake]

Bush leads the NFL in receptions as a back after week 3 and Mario has yet to pressure the QB in the regular season or preseason. Let's just call it what it is and stop the Bush sucks propaganda

I have no problem with Bush or Vince doing well, but to say that Mario has yet to pressure the QB is a bit silly on your part. I understand you want to make Mario sound as bad as you can, but I know damn well that youve seen him pressure the QB a couple of times this year. If you want to deny that, and just focus on your anti-Mario campaign, then that is fine, but I think you need to be fair.

 

[Mr. White]

How on earth can you say a TD=Sack....How does that compute???...whats the formula???...How can you even compare stats from an offensive player to a defensive player....get off of the stats thing...we are talking about impact...

Sounds almost like the same thing I've been saying since week 1 this season. Kind of like comparing football to basketball...or apples to oranges.

I just said they should be judged by the same standard. I never said it was a reasonable standard.

The Texans FO drafted a guy based on raw talent and physical tools. It's up to the coaches now to teach him some technique. It's no secret that he doesn't have any. Was it supposed to just appear magically by his 3rd game as a pro?

 

[real]

Sounds almost like the same thing I've been saying since week 1 this season. Kind of like comparing football to basketball...or apples to oranges.

I just said they should be judged by the same standard. I never said it was a reasonable standard.

The Texans FO drafted a guy based on raw talent and physical tools. It's up to the coaches now to teach him some technique. It's no secret that he doesn't have any. Was it supposed to just appear magically by his 3rd game as a pro?

Right...So what is the argument......Mario Williams isn't very good right now...the end....

 

[Vinny]

The Texans FO drafted a guy based on raw talent and physical tools. It's up to the coaches now to teach him some technique. It's no secret that he doesn't have any. Was it supposed to just appear magically by his 3rd game as a pro?

Raw talent and physical tools? Sounds like David Carr. 60 games later we should expect average production then I guess. That puts us around what...2010?

 

[HomeBred_Texan]

I have no problem with Bush or Vince doing well, but to say that Mario has yet to pressure the QB is a bit silly on your part. I understand you want to make Mario sound as bad as you can, but I know damn well that youve seen him pressure the QB a couple of times this year. If you want to deny that, and just focus on your anti-Mario campaign, then that is fine, but I think you need to be fair.

Well I haven't missed a game yet, since day 1. But right now we are talking about this season... I have yet to see Mario pressure a QB. I want him to at least grab some jersey, or even get a flag for a late hit. I don't know what game you are watching, but please tell me which game you are referring to. I will re-watch it again because evidently I have missed something...

I am not against this pick nor am I for it. I am not going to bash a player for trying... I wanted D'Brick or D'Angelo Williams or both. Not D players. I don't think he is a bust nor do I think he is great. I won't make that determination until the end of the season along with many others...

 

[Mr. White]

Right...So what is the argument......Mario Williams isn't very good right now...the end....

The argument is that it's on the coaches. I think if he was playing for Bill Cowher or John Fox or even Jim Haslett there wouldn't be an issue.

Go back and read some of your own posts and apply them to Mario Williams. Do you really think he'll be getting 2 tackles a game in 7-8 years? Or held up by TE's and RB's in 7-8 years?

Or better yet, keep hoping that he turns out to actually be a bust. Then you can really accomplish something by saying "I told you we should have picked Bush."

 

[Mr. White]

Raw talent and physical tools? Sounds like David Carr. 60 games later we should expect average production then I guess. That puts us around what...2010?

Nice point. Carr has a coach that knows QB's now. He's improved. Maybe if they get a decent DC next year, then the same can happen with MW.

 

[real]

The argument is that it's on the coaches. I think if he was playing for Bill Cowher or John Fox or even Jim Haslett there wouldn't be an issue.

Go back and read some of your own posts and apply them to Mario Williams. Do you really think he'll be getting 2 tackles a game in 7-8 years? Or held up by TE's and RB's in 7-8 years?

Or better yet, keep hoping that he turns out to actually be a bust. Then you can really accomplish something by saying "I told you we should have picked Bush."

O.k....again....what is your point??? Mario Williams isn't good right now...and hasn't done much in the short time he's been afforded.....the end......Doesn't mean he will be a bust....doesn't mean he'll be great....Im not sure where you are coming from....

P.S. I've never rooted for Mario to be a bust...I would like for Mario to be the best DE ever...do I think that will happen....no.....but I sure would like it...

 

[GP]

Every "Mario sucks" thread is usually a "We should have drafted Reggie thread" in disguise.

I'm of the opinion that Reggie Bush should be judged by the same standard as Mario Williams.

If MW should be getting sacks by now, then why shouldn't RB be scoring TD's yet?

Wasn't there TWO big reasons to draft Reggie Bush?

1. He can break a game wide open all by himself. Well, he's not doing that.

2. He can be a decoy and cause others to get the ball more. Well, he IS doing that.

1 out of 2 for Reggie.

I think it's fair to say that the longer RB goes without doing No. 1 (breaking games wide open all by himself) then the less he cements himself as the "can't miss draft pick" that Houston was so "foolish" for looking over.

Being a decoy is fine. It's helping New Orleans at the moment.

But therein lies the drama: When do teams STOP focusing on Bush (the decoy) and thus start shutting down the other players? And if they DO stop focusing on Bush (the decoy) does that signify a switch that gets flipped whereby Bush starts getting those gamebreaking opportunities?

Should be interesting to watch.

I, for one, do not think that RB would even be a good decoy on our team at the moment. I think he would not even be effective as a decoy because we're just an awful team all the way around at the moment. I think he would be stinking worse with us, and I actually think Mario would be "cashing it in" in New Orleans if the situations were reversed.

Think about that: Let's play make-believe and replay the draft and switch picks. Reggie comes to us and he is less than what he is NOW with New orleans, and Mario goes to New Orleans and gets a couple sacks against Vick on Monday Night. And guess what? The media slam us for taking "the safe pick" and not the defensive stud Mario Williams whom we so "apparently" needed. And to top it off, we also get blamed for wasting Reggie Bush's talent.

It. Could. Be. Worse. Than. It. Is.

Just thank your stars above that the last scenario I mentioned has not happened. THEN...it would be very hard to stay a Texans fan.

 

[real]

Wasn't there TWO big reasons to draft Reggie Bush?

1. He can break a game wide open all by himself. Well, he's not doing that.

2. He can be a decoy and cause others to get the ball more. Well, he IS doing that.

1 out of 2 for Reggie.

I think it's fair to say that the longer RB goes without doing No. 1 (breaking games wide open all by himself) then the less he cements himself as the "can't miss draft pick" that Houston was so "foolish" for looking over.

Being a decoy is fine. It's helping New Orleans at the moment.

But therein lies the drama: When do teams STOP focusing on Bush (the decoy) and thus start shutting down the other players? And if they DO stop focusing on Bush (the decoy) does that signify a switch that gets flipped whereby Bush starts getting those gamebreaking opportunities?

Should be interesting to watch.

I, for one, do not think that RB would even be a good decoy on our team at the moment. I think he would not even be effective as a decoy because we're just an awful team all the way around at the moment. I think he would be stinking worse with us, and I actually think Mario would be "cashing it in" in New Orleans if the situations were reversed.

Think about that: Let's play make-believe and replay the draft and switch picks. Reggie comes to us and he is less than what he is NOW with New orleans, and Mario goes to New Orleans and gets a couple sacks against Vick on Monday Night. And guess what? The media slam us for taking "the safe pick" and not the defensive stud Mario Williams whom we so "apparently" needed. And to top it off, we also get blamed for wasting Reggie Bush's talent.

It. Could. Be. Worse. Than. It. Is.

Just thank your stars above that the last scenario I mentioned has not happened. THEN...it would be very hard to stay a Texans fan.

LMAO!!!

 

[Mr teX]

Think about that: Let's play make-believe and replay the draft and switch picks. Reggie comes to us and he is less than what he is NOW with New orleans, and Mario goes to New Orleans and gets a couple sacks against Vick on Monday Night. And guess what? The media slam us for taking "the safe pick" and not the defensive stud Mario Williams whom we so "apparently" needed. And to top it off, we also get blamed for wasting Reggie Bush's talent.

That's what most people don't understand about the media. XtruroyaltyX is right in that Mario just isn't very good right now, but thats not to say he won't be in the future once the talent level comes up around him. The Media is going to roll with the pick that is the most successful, & that right now is RB. Remember, there were 4 potential # 1 overall picks justified in their own right, the most probably ever in a draft. Plus, those clowns are still debating who got the better of the LT/Vick draft & how many years ago was that?

 

[GP]

O.k....again....what is your point??? Mario Williams isn't good right now...and hasn't done much in the short time he's been afforded.....the end......Doesn't mean he will be a bust....doesn't mean he'll be great....Im not sure where you are coming from....

P.S. I've never rooted for Mario to be a bust...I would like for Mario to be the best DE ever...do I think that will happen....no.....but I sure would like it...

You would "like it" but you "don't think it will happen" ?

Then you are predisposed to reacting negatively from the very beginning.

You are biased in your comments and thus will only allow yourself to reinforce the predetermined decision you've made that Mario "will not be a success," and in other words you will "back your opinion" by pointing out every failing Mario has and/or will have, and comparing it to every success Reggie has and/or will have. Am I getting this right?

At least drop the "I hope he will" part from your stance. Go ahead and come right on out and be hardcore about your thoughts. Don't leave yourself room to backpedal like the Carr Haters do.

Why can't we just all be honest with ourselves and allow ourselves to understand that our ENTIRE TEAM is awful? Is that too honest?

Instead, I guess we're resorting to building straw men like Carr, and when that fades away...let's build the straw man named "Mario." Build 'em up and burn 'em down.

Who's fault will it be next week? Or next month?

This entire team is awful. They are not playing as a single unit. That's the most difficult aspect to get corrected. When it happens? I don't know. But then we'll all be drinking that free bub-a-lub and eating that rainbow stew.

Let's stop building up Judas Iscariots on our team as the reason why we stink so bad. It's a team "thang" and nothing more or less.

 

[thunderkyss]

And you're saying he's not a great RB or WR at this point....How come it's wait and see with Mario but judge Reggie now....who by the way has made more of an impact than Mario ?????

First....... I'm sorry, I meant to put "so far" in there.......
Second..... I'm not as thouroghly(sp) disappointed in the Mario pick...... I still think he warranted the #1 overall pick. I think we are getting pressure on the QB, maybe not enough but certainly as much as we should be expecting.

Just like David Carr is worthy of his #1 overall status but was on a poor offense(with a proBowl WR, and a 1000 yard per year over 3 years productive running back), Mario is on a bad defense............ Period.

We don't expect Carr to make everyone else on the team to look good( I do, most here don't)..... why should we expect Mario to be any different??

 

[Meisterman]

What I do know is the last 4 first round draft picks have been used on THE DEFENSE. The results of these decisions speak for themselves. I don't blame any Texan fan for wishing they had an exciting playmaker like Bush.

Remember this organization allowed lame duck Casserly to hang around long enough to be the front man when the Mario pick was made. The vast majority of fans did not want Mario....but like an unexpected pregnancy...you make the best of a bad situation.

 

[GP]

What I do know is the last 4 first round draft picks have been used on THE DEFENSE. The results of these decisions speak for themselves. I don't blame any Texan fan for wishing they had an exciting playmaker like Bush.

Remember this organization allowed lame duck Casserly to hang around long enough to be the front man when the Mario pick was made. The vast majority of fans did not want Mario....but like an unexpected pregnancy...you make the best of a bad situation.

Casserly didn't pick Mario.

Casserly was "out" long before the draft, but kept on the staff for obvious reasons: (1) To make Bob McNair look professional, and (2) To not give away to other teams our draft strategy--Not so much our first overal pick, but the direction we would be going with later round picks that we were targeting and did not want other teams to find out about.

Casserly, if anything, wanted Reggie Bush.

 

[thunderkyss]

I don't know how Bush affects us, but our D needs all the help it can get. We have given up 98 points in 3 games, and the Giants have given up just 6 less with 92. So if ya'll want to draw comparisons let's talk D to D, the Giants have Stahan and the other DE, I can't spell or pronounce, that had over 20 sacks last year.So what's their excuse ? Can't be that they drafted Williams we did that. Let's look at the fact that maybe we were in need of more leadership at defense then we thought and Kubiak saw this, we brought in Weaver ( 1 sack ) & Kalu kept Babin ( 1 sack ) & Peek, and to have a successful outside rush you need a big man to plug the middle - Payne ? Obviously our choices at LB were, outside of Ryans, not the best, but if Wong comes back healthy we can field Wong-Ryans-Orr and I think that will help tremendously.
And if you still need a Bush fix, NO needs a winner as bad as us ,we shouldn't hate our nieghbors because they made a decision we decided not to.

Exactly

Against the Philladelphia Eagles,

Mario had 2 tackles, plus 1 assist..... 2.5 tackles.
Manny Lawson had...... 0 tackles...... .5 assists... 0.5 tackles.

Eagles 38 49ers 24
Eagles 24 Houston 14

McNabb vs the 49ers....... 296 yards 2 TDs 0 Ints
McNabb vs the Texans..... 314 yards 3 TDs 1 Int

Westbrook vs the 49ers.... 8 atts.... 117 yds...... 2 Tds 71 Long Rushing....... 4 catches 47 yards..... 1 TD 27 Long recieving...
Westbrook vs the Texans.... 17 carries 71 yds...... 0 TDs long 17 rushing.... 4 catches 61 yds 1 TD 31 long recieving.

RBrown vs the 49ers...... 5 catches for 106 yds.. 0 TDs 50 long.....
RBrown vs the Texans.... 2 catches for 20 yds.... 1 TD 15 long.....

Stallworth vs the Texans....... 6 catches... 141 yds..... 1 TD long 42.....

Eagles vs 49ers...... 416 total yards..... 150 rushing... 266 passing sacked 3 times for 30 yards 0 ints

Eagles vs the Texans.... 441 total yards... 130 rushing... 311 passing sacked 1 time for 3 yards... 1 pass intercepted.

Just a bunch of stats.... to me, looks like Mario had more of an impact against the Eagles than Manny Lawson did. Even though he was moved between LDE, RDE, & DT.

 

[Blake]

Well I haven't missed a game yet, since day 1. But right now we are talking about this season... I have yet to see Mario pressure a QB. I want him to at least grab some jersey, or even get a flag for a late hit. I don't know what game you are watching, but please tell me which game you are referring to. I will re-watch it again because evidently I have missed something...

I am not against this pick nor am I for it. I am not going to bash a player for trying... I wanted D'Brick or D'Angelo Williams or both. Not D players. I don't think he is a bust nor do I think he is great. I won't make that determination until the end of the season along with many others...

Well as much as I would love to sit around and find each QB pressure that I see, I dont have the game tape to go over. I guess we will just have to agree to disagree.

 

[real]

Exactly

Stasts mean nothing...

 

[thunderkyss]

Every "Mario sucks" thread is usually a "We should have drafted Reggie thread" in disguise.

I'm of the opinion that Reggie Bush should be judged by the same standard as Mario Williams.

If MW should be getting sacks by now, then why shouldn't RB be scoring TD's yet?

Not only that, but after the draft when many fans suggested Mario may not set the rookie sack record, & that his presence will allow our other 1st rounders to make an impact..... we were told that it didn't make sense to spend $60 mil on someone to take up blocks.

Yet we ask them How Reggie impacted the Saints...... & they tell us that he's second on the Saints depth chart, and a Decoy........... unbelievable.

& believe it or not, I don't hate Reggie. I'd love to see him go off, and do some amazing stuff...... That's the only reason I watched MNF this past week..... to see him & Michael Vick put on a show. Instead, Vick is trying to act like a QB, and Reggie looked like a Rookie........

I'm also sort of a Saints fan(even though JoeHorn is the only person still on that team that I root for).......

 

[GP]

I had said "Let's see what Manny Lawson does against the Eagles."

TK shows us the stats: Looks eerily similar to our effort against the Eagles with less sacks given up by our o line, more passing yards for us, and we gave up 20 less yards rushing than the Niners.

Lawson and Williams, facing roughly the same Eagles team (but 9ers NOT facing Stallworth) are just what they are: Rookies who are not making an impact against quality teams.

Lawson has had success in first two games, but look at the opponents.

On an apples-to-apples comparison, the two guys are equally unimpressive.

I also blame fantasy football for our harsh and quick-draw reactions to players and whether they are "producing" or not. In FF, you expect your guys to make an impact on gameday...and if they don't: You waive them and go acquire someone else who scored a TD the week that your "stud" rushed for 11 yards and was held to no TD.

We want production, and we want it now. Gone are the days where you looked at an athlete over the entire course of his career, where you watched him "develop" over time into a star player. Nope, now the guys have to be instant producers. Chew on that one...

 

[thunderkyss]

That's quite the list of impressive plays you've compiled there.... Took a whole three games, too!

I take it that you're not at the game giving Mario's playing time your undivided attention? Or you would not be touting such an uninformed opinion.

Give the guy time, he's a rookie, yada yada yada...how about ONE play where he DOMINATES as the FIRST OVERALL PICK?

Ok........ How about when the 6'7" 300lb stud chased down Santana Moss?? He was on Brunnels Right, Moss ran a reverse towards the left..... #45 is trying to cutblock Mario.... Mario gets around him, and catches Moss just as he crossed the 1st down marker.

 

[DocBar]

saints about to go 3-0. texans 0-3. gee who you think made the right choice

The Texans. I would LOVE to have Deuce McAllister!!!!!!

 

[real]

Yet we ask them How Reggie impacted the Saints...... & they tell us that he's second on the Saints roster, and a Decoy........... unbelievable.

You can only be a successful decoy if other teams respect what you're capable of.....

The difference between RB and MW is that we know what Reggie is capable of....We just don't know that he can do it on a consistent basis...

With Mario we don't know that he is capable of anything.....Until Mario shows something he will constantly be ridiculed and compared to Bush...

 

[Mr. White]

Until Mario shows something he will constantly be ridiculed and compared to Bush...

Like comparing sacks to TD's.

 

[real]

Ok........ How about when the 6'7" 300lb stud chased down Santana Moss?? He was on Brunnels Right, Moss ran a reverse towards the left..... #45 is trying to cutblock Mario.... Mario gets around him, and catches Moss just as he crossed the 1st down marker.

oh please....You are making it seem like Mario caught him in a foot race...Santanna wa trying to make people miss while Mario was free to just run....

Not saying I didn't like his effort, but it wasn't anything to hang your hat on...

 

[real]

Like comparing sacks to TD's.

No like comparing impact vs. impact...

 

[thunderkyss]

What I don't understand is how people can actually watch MW play...then watch RB play.....Then say RB sucks, and we definitely got the better man...honestly that is yet to be determined....At this point I can't say i know either one will be super stars...But I can say that I have been more impressed with RB...and thats without rewatching him on film...

Why are we constantly reminded that Mario came out as a Junior.....was Reggie not in the same boat???


Why is Reggie being judged after 3 games??? But Mario is not???

Why does Mario get a pass because he was DT and DE...and Reggie doesn't get the same pass for having to learn PR, KR, RB, WR???

Why can't we just call a spade a spade, and be honest that RB has done more for his team AT THIS POINT than Mario?? What does that mean??? It could mean nothing...or it could mean everything...we don't know....

That's BS.... all of it. You guys are calling Mario a Bust after three games... We aren't calling Reggie a bust at all.

You guys are saying Reggie Impacted the game.... as a Decoy, when they've got Brees..... & Duece & Horn are healthy now.

You are the one who said a few days ago that you have to stop rewatching Mario on TiVo(or whatever) because when you do, you see why we took him #1. You see the plays he does make.... you see the power the kid has..... you see the ungodly speed(for someone so big) You said it's a matter of time before he puts it together.......

and now, he's a disappointment.

Nothing against Reggie........ I hope he is the next Gayle Sayers.... Lord knows the city of NewOrleans needs that more than we do.

We were 30th & 32nd as a ranked defense in a 32 team league...... WE need Mario to be big........ he hasn't yet, but it's only three games into the season. I don't see how anyone can study his play, and not see what he does bring to the table. When he gets rid of the Rookie tendancies & weeknesses.... he's going to be a Monster...... no doubt.

 

[Mr. White]

No like comparing impact vs. impact...

OK...back to the decoy argument. That's the one that works this week.

 

[real]

That's BS.... all of it. You guys are calling Mario a Bust after three games... We aren't calling Reggie a bust at all.

You guys are saying Reggie Impacted the game.... as a Decoy, when they've got Brees..... & Duece & Horn are healthy now.

You are the one who said a few days ago that you have to stop rewatching Mario on TiVo(or whatever) because when you do, you see why we took him #1. You see the plays he does make.... you see the power the kid has..... you see the ungodly speed(for someone so big) You said it's a matter of time before he puts it together.......

and now, he's a disappointment.

Nothing against Reggie........ I hope he is the next Gayle Sayers.... Lord knows the city of NewOrleans needs that more than we do.

We were 30th & 32nd as a ranked defense in a 32 team league...... WE need Mario to be big........ he hasn't yet, but it's only three games into the season. I don't see how anyone can study his play, and not see what he does bring to the table. When he gets rid of the Rookie tendancies & weeknesses.... he's going to be a Monster...... no doubt.

Well I'm human...and I have a right to change my opinion...not that my opinion has even changed....I still think Mario is "capable" of becoming a beast IF he ever puts it together...that hasn't changed...But the reason I said I was going to stop rewatching the game and go off of first reaction is because I don't think it's fair to go back and find every little scrap or hint of Mario doing something right, and flipping it to make it seem like he had a good game...He hasn't had a good game to date...and while it is true that he has used his power or used his speed...that doesn't prove that he is going to be a good FOOTBALL player.....I have seen power and speed...you're right...but I haven't seen ANY good football plays...Bottom line...when you re-watch the game you see all the things he did at the combine...all his athletics...when is he going to make a play....a good play...not an average tackle...when is he going to give us something to hang our hats on and anticipate good football to come???

That's all I'm sayin...And about the whole RB thing...man that's old...who cares...He has done more for his team than Mario has done for us...I don't see how you can deny that...Im not going to argue with you about the affect that Reggie has had already in HIS third game.....But what does that mean...like I said..It could mean nothing...and yet it could mean everything....None of us know what they're careers will be like so lets discuss facts and actual things that have happened...and not what if's and predictions....

MY POINT: Reggie has only played 3 games too..
Reggie came out as a junior too...Reggie has had to learn more than Mario...Reggie has helped his team more than Mario...the end

 

[santo]

It'll be cool if Reggie Bush wins the Rookie of the year award as the best Decoy in the NFL.

 

[real]

OK...back to the decoy argument. That's the one that works this week.

What ever gets you through your day....

RB has done more for the Texans than Mario has...LMAO...

 

[thunderkyss]

The difference between RB and MW is that we know what Reggie is capable of....We just don't know that he can do it on a consistent basis...

You want to know if Reggie can be an affective decoy on a more consistant basis?? What??

'cause he hasn't done anything else at all in the regular season that anyone would want to see on a regular basis..... 5 yard punt returns?? 6 yard rushing games??

Reggie has done very little in the regular season, than run over bad teams, & take carries & TDs away from DueceMcAllister(yeah, that would've been a TD had Duece been in there. You know it, I know it, Payton knows it, Reggie knows it, Duece knows it........ heck my 5 year old was saying. " Duh... put the big guy in there")

 

[GP]

Well I'm human...and I have a right to change my opinion...not that my opinion has even changed....I still think Mario is "capable" of becoming a beast IF he ever puts it together...that hasn't changed...But the reason I said I was going to stop rewatching the game and go off of first reaction is because I don't think it's fair to go back and find every little scrap or hint of Mario doing something right, and flipping it to make it seem like he had a good game...He hasn't had a good game to date...and while it is true that he has used his power or used his speed...that doesn't prove that he is going to be a good FOOTBALL player.....I have seen power and speed...you're right...but I haven't seen ANY good football plays...Bottom line...when you re-watch the game you see all the things he did at the combine...all his athletics...when is he going to make a play....a good play...not an average tackle...when is he going to give us something to hang our hats on and anticipate good football to come???

That's all I'm sayin...And about the whole RB thing...man that's old...who cares...He has done more for his team than Mario has done for us...I don't see how you can deny that...Im not going to argue with you about the affect that Reggie has had already in HIS third game.....But what does that mean...like I said..It could mean nothing...and yet it could mean everything....None of us know what they're careers will be like so lets discuss facts and actual things that have happened...and not what if's and predictions....

MY POINT: Reggie has only played 3 games too..
Reggie came out as a junior too...Reggie has had to learn more than Mario...Reggie has helped his team more than Mario...the end

Translation: "I am angry that Reggie is getting the love and Mario is not. I go with however the wind blows, especially after a whopping three games into his first season. Not much interested in long-term payoff. Would just like to see something happen immediately, and since it's not...then I don't think Mario will be good in the long run."

Please tell me that's NOT what you're saying. I think better of you than that.

Give it some time, royaltyx. Give it some time. There's always another football game after the last one that's been played.

 

[eriadoc]

I love how people can't grip that MW may take some time to develop, yet they can justify taking VY because he was the hometown guy. Project, anyone?

If the Texans had drafted second and someone else had taken Bush #1, would we only be comparing MW to VY?

Bottom line - get over it. Bush doesn't play for the Houston Texans and it's pathetic that so much space on the TEXANS message board is dedicated to Bush. Shouldn't this thread be moved to the NFL Talk forum, since it's all about Bush now?

 

[Mr. White]

What ever gets you through your day....

RB has done more for the Texans than Mario has...LMAO...

Not sure what that means...but whatever.

The excuse from Reggie's followers the last 2 weeks was his total yardage. This week, he has 72 total yards.....

Now the excuse is how good of a decoy he is.

 

[real]

You want to know if Reggie can be an affective decoy on a more consistant basis?? What??

'cause he hasn't done anything else at all in the regular season that anyone would want to see on a regular basis..... 5 yard punt returns?? 6 yard rushing games??

So now this is a bash Reggie thread....get off of it because how ever small you make what Reggie has accomplished seem...Just know that what Mario has done is 10x smaller....

And I never said that Reggie has done anything...I said that we know he is capable of taking it to the house at any given moment...We know he can run the ball...we know he can catch....BUT we don't know that he can do it consistently...I don't know how you aren't following that....

 

[real]

Translation: "I am angry that Reggie is getting the love and Mario is not. I go with however the wind blows, especially after a whopping three games into his first season. Not much interested in long-term payoff. Would just like to see something happen immediately, and since it's not...then I don't think Mario will be good in the long run."

Please tell me that's NOT what you're saying. I think better of you than that.

Give it some time, royaltyx. Give it some time. There's always another football game after the last one that's been played.

You can make whatever assumptions you want...Thats not my problem....

Mario hasn't shown me that he can make plays...I haven't seen it...college...or pro.....

 

[Kaiser Toro]

Maybe we should rename this thread Start Bashing Mario Williams since we have so many impatient fans who want to vent.

 

[real]

Not sure what that means...but whatever.

The excuse from Reggie's followers the last 2 weeks was his total yardage. This week, he has 72 total yards.....

Now the excuse is how good of a decoy he is.

O.K...But the difference between Reggie's exscuses and Marios exscuses is as follows...

People give exscuses for reggie as to why he isn't playing great yet....

People give exscuses for Mario as to why he won't suck forever....

What people don't understand is that Most of the exscuses made for Mario...can also be made for Reggie....

Learning different positions
Coming out as a junior
Rookie
Only 3 games
ect.....

 

[thunderkyss]

So now this is a bash Reggie thread....get off of it because how ever small you make what Reggie has accomplished seem...Just know that what Mario has done is 10x smaller....

And I never said that Reggie has done anything...I said that we know he is capable of taking it to the house at any given moment...We know he can run the ball...we know he can catch....BUT we don't know that he can do it consistently...I don't know how you aren't following that....

Because we don't know what he can do in the NFL...... We know what he can do against Fresno state....

& I'm not bashing Reggie..... how am I bashing him when I say he ran for 6 yards against the GB Packers??

 

[real]

Because we don't know what he can do in the NFL...... We know what he can do against Fresno state....

& I'm not bashing Reggie..... how am I bashing him when I say he ran for 6 yards against the GB Packers??

Wow...Ok...I'll do you one better.....We know what Mario can do against Wake Forest...you know the rest....

And You are bashing Reggie because you aren't really being fair...not that I expect you to, but I call it like I see it...

All factors being equal...Reggie has made more of an impact...All exscuses aside...Reggie has made more impact....

Im not suggesting that Mario should be making the same impact as Reggie...Im not even saying that Reggie>Mario....But I am calling it how I see it...And however small you make Reggie's impact...Mario's is still smaller....

 

[real]

It's not fair that you go back and watch Mario on film and then try to point out every little thing he does right...

And then bring up stats when talking about Reggie Bush...

If you went back and watched the film on Bush you'd see blocks he made...and attention he's drawn...

Is that really fair?? I mean not that comparing a RB impact vs. DE impact will ever be fair...But if that ain't cheatin I don't know what is...

 

[thunderkyss]

It's not fair that you go back and watch Mario on film and then try to point out every little thing he does right...

And then bring up stats when talking about Reggie Bush...

If you went back and watched the film on Bush you'd see blocks he made...and attention he's drawn...

Is that really fair?? I mean not that comparing a RB impact vs. DE impact will ever be fair...But if that ain't cheatin I don't know what is...

Fair?? when did I say I was going to be fair??

Blocks?? I saw him miss that one where Brees got sacked... is that the one you are talking about??

& just like I've said for Mario, I have said for Reggie. the Fans on this board are setting themselves up for a heartbreak, if they think Reggie will be a bust. You can see how fast he is(you can see how fast Mario is) You can see his moves(You can see Mario's Power) It's only a matter of time, before he busts loose.....


But he hasn't yet in the Regular season(neither of them).... I'm telling you Mario is a good decoy on a bad team, and you're telling me Reggie is a good
Decoy on an explosive offense...... I bet Ray Lewis would love to play behind Mario.... Heck, our MLB leads the freaking league in tackles(or something like that)as a Rookie.

But of course you're going to tell me that has nothing to do with Mario.

whatever....... Yeah, you're being fair, and I got it all twisted.

 

[real]

Fair?? when did I say I was going to be fair??

Blocks?? I saw him miss that one where Brees got sacked... is that the one you are talking about??

& just like I've said for Mario, I have said for Reggie. the Fans on this board are setting themselves up for a heartbreak, if they think Reggie will be a bust. You can see how fast he is(you can see how fast Mario is) You can see his moves(You can see Mario's Power) It's only a matter of time, before he busts loose.....


But he hasn't yet in the Regular season(neither of them).... I'm telling you Mario is a good decoy on a bad team, and you're telling me Reggie is a good
Decoy on an explosive offense...... I bet Ray Lewis would love to play behind Mario.... Heck, our MLB leads the freaking league in tackles(or something like that)as a Rookie.

But of course you're going to tell me that has nothing to do with Mario.

whatever....... Yeah, you're being fair, and I got it all twisted.

LMAO....There you go again....I never said that either was better than the other...Thats where you and everyone else seems to be falling asleep....All I said is that Reggie has made more of an impact that MW...lol...period...

And oh yeah...it's real fair to look at Reggies stats and then break down Mario's game film and say he's better...LMAO!!!

Any way you can spin it you will....I don't understand why we can't just be real and admit that we aren't soothe sayers...We don't know who will have the better career...we don't even know who will have a better game next week....But what we do know is that the Saints are 3-0(not soley due to reggie bush) and that the Texans are 0-3(not soley due to Mario Williams)....

 

[Mr teX]

Well I'm human...and I have a right to change my opinion...not that my opinion has even changed....I still think Mario is "capable" of becoming a beast IF he ever puts it together...that hasn't changed...But the reason I said I was going to stop rewatching the game and go off of first reaction is because I don't think it's fair to go back and find every little scrap or hint of Mario doing something right, and flipping it to make it seem like he had a good game...He hasn't had a good game to date...and while it is true that he has used his power or used his speed...that doesn't prove that he is going to be a good FOOTBALL player.....I have seen power and speed...you're right...but I haven't seen ANY good football plays...Bottom line...when you re-watch the game you see all the things he did at the combine...all his athletics...when is he going to make a play....a good play...not an average tackle...when is he going to give us something to hang our hats on and anticipate good football to come???

You're contradicting yourself. You refuse to rewatch video of our games b/c it may validate what the coaches saw in him to be the # 1 pick but then you'd be willing to accept RB in houston as a decoy if we had taken him as the #1 overall? First of all it's arguable how much of an impact RB is making b/c he's off the field for a little over a third of the offensive plays. What does that leave? The other offseason acquistion D. Brees & the return of Duece who, mind you was a 1600 yd back the season before his injury. We're not even going to talk about the other draft picks. Look, nobody's saying MW is playing great, at least not me, But these "flashes" you guys speak of that RB has are in fact not all that. IMO they're equivalent to Mario's, just slightly better. If you go by preseason "flashes" then technically, Mario has had more of these than RB. If you go by Regular season, then nothing RB is doing is at all impresive & Mario.........well lets just say we as fans expected at least a little more than we're getting..... but that can be generalized to the Whole defense. The point is you keep talking of "impact" b/c that's what the talking heads at ESPN keep saying, but in fact it's probably neglible. I ask you how much of an impact can the guy have if he's not even on the field for a 3rd of the plays, & Again i can't believe that the saints drafted & payed him 62 mil just to be a decoy. His production might be fine for right now, but at some point (probably when the Saints start losing) he's going to have to start to put up stats.............you know those things that you say don't really matter.

 

[real]

His production might be fine for right now, but at some point (probably when the Saints start losing) he's going to have to start to put up stats.............you know those things that you say don't really matter.

Can that be said for Mario as well??.... Dude Im not going to argue with you anymore because clearly you all have Texan Blinders on...and Im not mad at cha'....Im a Texan fan so Goooo Texans.....But I won't sit here and pretend that Mario has shown all these great things and R.Bush has proved to be a flop....I will say they are both even before I lie like that....but anyways...keep up the good posting....

 

[Kaiser Toro]

Ready? Set? Go! Start Bashing Mario.....

 

[Runner]

Wait Wait Wait!

I wasn't ready.

 

[Mr teX]

Can that be said for Mario as well??.... Dude Im not going to argue with you anymore because clearly you all have Texan Blinders on...and Im not mad at cha'....Im a Texan fan so Goooo Texans.....But I won't sit here and pretend that Mario has shown all these great things and R.Bush has proved to be a flop....I will say they are both even before I lie like that....but anyways...keep up the good posting....

Absolutely, heck that's all anyone is pointing to.

 

[texan_fan_in_tampa_bay]

3 games into a guy's rookie season is too early to start judging him. Give him a little time to learn the NFL game.