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Stop Bashing Mario Williams!!!!!!!!!

Porky said:
I agree totally with Vinny. And BTW, Hershel Walker was not avg. :ok:
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Let's put it this way, He was expected to do waaaaaYYY more than he did. Maybe not avg. slightly better than average. only 2 1000 yd. rushing seasons & 2 relatively decent years recieving for a guy who came out with as much hype as Reggie Bush? Add in the fact that he was garbage in the post season & was eventually traded for the early 90's Dallas dynasty? I'm sorry but I can't agree; At least give Mario a season before you label him as a bust The statement you made above is a joke.
 
Hey after watching that Saints/Falcons game, they beat a NFC Championship caliber team. I know they were playing with more emotions due to the location and what has happened there, but they completely DOMINATED that game.
 
The Saints dominated in no small part because of the distraction created by defenses focusing on Reggie. The ESPN crew last night spotlighed examples of this during the game last night. His capabilities as a home run hitter are enough to open up the entire offense, and you saw last night how good it looked.

Plus, there were a couple of plays when a hole opened up, and BAM - Bush was through it for 10 yards before you could blink. Granted, he did not score on two straight carries near the goal line, but other than that, he did impact that game and also did so without touching the ball.

Mario, on the other hand...heck, it seems the offenses are focusing their stuff TOWARD him, knowing that (a) he can be blocked by a tight end or fullback, or (b) he can be easily faked. He has not shown himself to be strong or quick.

As an aside - If Mario wishes to address the media, maybe he could take some blame instead of making stupid excuses like "I was double and triple teamed all day" (which is a flat out lie). If he doesn't play big Sunday - really big - look out; the bottom will fall out and even those who still defend him will be doubting.
 
redbul41 said:
He does gather double teams on almost every play, which SHOULD open up things for the other players on defense.
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This, my friend, is an urban legend. Mario may even believe that he's getting double- and triple-teamed, but the reality is that he is not good enough right now for teams to have to consistently do that to him.

Go to the game, and disregard the play while you specifically watch Mario with binoculars. Trust me. It is quite the revealing sight...he has yet to beat his man in three games.

I'm not going to dog Mario and call bust...at least not at this point in time. Yeah, he's a rookie, playing for a horrible d-coordinator, with a squad full of mediocre, untested talent...

BUT, I'd like to see at least ONE PLAY in a game where you can say to yourself, "wow, now that's why they picked him first overall in the draft". I'm looking, hoping, waiting, to see that one revealing play. Trust me, I want to see it, I yearn to see it, I ask the football gods to see it...so I'll be patient and give the man 16 regular season games.

We shall see... [to be continued in January]
 
Mario hasn't played like an NFL caliber player, regardless of age or what round he was drafted.

He was drafted #1 overall, so he plays every down. So you have a player - who should not be on the field - playing every down. Fans have a right to complain.
 
Double Barrel said:
This, my friend, is an urban legend. Mario may even believe that he's getting double- and triple-teamed, but the reality is that he is not good enough right now for teams to have to consistently do that to him.

Go to the game, and disregard the play while you specifically watch Mario with binoculars. Trust me. It is quite the revealing sight...he has yet to beat his man in three games.
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[queue theme music from the Mother Country] Comrade, the Washington Capitalist pigs were sending in holograms of extra blockers to confuse Comrade Williams. He was triple and quadruple teamed on some plays. The Mother Franchise has installed jammers so that they do not confuse Comrade Williams any more.
 
joetexan said:
The Saints dominated in no small part because of the distraction created by defenses focusing on Reggie. The ESPN crew last night spotlighed examples of this during the game last night. His capabilities as a home run hitter are enough to open up the entire offense, and you saw last night how good it looked.
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I'm sorry, but that is not the way it happened. They didn't give him any more attention than they would give any other player in a skilled position. 1 man tackeled him behind the line of scrimmage. His coach was yelling at him on the sideline for dancing & not running, for not knowing where he was on the field, and not getting a 3rd down conversion.

The Falcons didn't get caught in any mismatches, they covered him with a linebacker when he left the backfield as a reciever.

The first guy to touch him tackled him on every occassion. whether it was a DT, a DE, a LB, or a DB...... & I believe he is credited with a sack.... I know he blew a blocking assignment miserably, but I'm not sure if it led to a sack.. I think it did..... could be wrong.

So far, Reggie is not a threat anymore than anyone, and there doesn't appear to be any special attention afforded to him by anyone who doesn't work for ESPN.
 
Double Barrel said:
Go to the game, and disregard the play while you specifically watch Mario with binoculars. Trust me. It is quite the revealing sight...he has yet to beat his man in three games.
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What did it look(through the Binoculars) like where he terribly beat #76 who was called for a hold??

During the Philly game, when he got into the backfield & chased McNabb from the pocket, how'd that look in the ole binoculars??

How'd he look when he grabbed Westbrook & brought him down with one hand??
 
How'd he look as he gets suckered inside on every play they pitch around him? How'd he look when he had contain on Brunel and couldn't catch him on a rollout? I thought the guy had 4.7 speed but I have yet to see him run anything down. When a play goes away from him, he stops. He goes half speed a lot. Maybe it's because he's winded or maybe it's because he already has $26 million in the bank nobody can touch. What's to learn playing on the defensive line? You find the ball, throw your blocker aside, and tackle the guy with the ball. If you go all out on every play, like Ryans or Robinson, you make a lot of tackles. If your heart isn't in it, you claim you're getting "double" or "triple" teamed on plays. Does he really think we can't see he's getting handled one-on-one? He gets handled without anyone blocking him; just fake the ball one way and pitch outside of him the other. Babin will keep chasing the carrier, Williams will become a spectator.
 
I'm sorry, but that is not the way it happened. They didn't give him any more attention than they would give any other player in a skilled position. 1 man tackeled him behind the line of scrimmage. His coach was yelling at him on the sideline for dancing & not running, for not knowing where he was on the field, and not getting a 3rd down conversion.

Yeah, that's basically how i saw it. Theisman & company were trying to make it look like they were paying extra attention to him on that reverse & in reality they just defended it like every other team would have. I watched the 1st half of that game & IMO the only real asset of RB is his speed; everything else he has/does is just average at best. His cutback running style is not going to cut it in the NFL, he's going to have to change that period. You could see it in the game, every time he got the ball he tried to bust it outside before he even hit the hole. This is coming from someone who wanted the Texans to draft him.
 
If this leaning towards a Reggie Bush thread, we already know from Vernand Morency, Reggie Bush is not Kubiak's style of runner. Kubiak wants one cut and go. My take is, he wouldn't have had Barry Sanders on his team either.
 
mean mark8 said:
How'd he look as he gets suckered inside on every play they pitch around him? How'd he look when he had contain on Brunel and couldn't catch him on a rollout? I thought the guy had 4.7 speed but I have yet to see him run anything down. When a play goes away from him, he stops. He goes half speed a lot. Maybe it's because he's winded or maybe it's because he already has $26 million in the bank nobody can touch. What's to learn playing on the defensive line? You find the ball, throw your blocker aside, and tackle the guy with the ball. If you go all out on every play, like Ryans or Robinson, you make a lot of tackles. If your heart isn't in it, you claim you're getting "double" or "triple" teamed on plays. Does he really think we can't see he's getting handled one-on-one? He gets handled without anyone blocking him; just fake the ball one way and pitch outside of him the other. Babin will keep chasing the carrier, Williams will become a spectator.
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you didn't see him run down JAddai against INdy??

Robinson is has been our worst DB in the last three games.


He looks like a rookie... yes. He is a rookie.
 
Sorry, but if you guys didn't see the Atlanta defense keying on Bush, you guys weren't watching closely. Most of the game reports (multiple sources) mention it as well.
 
Battle Red Bull said:
Yeah. You're right. We should fire the coach, his staff, the GM, and cut about 20-25 players.
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That's exactly what New Orleans did, minus firing the GM...

Mario might become better, but not until there is some really good talent around him...which is true for most players in the NFL.

But, I can say that the Texans screwed the pooch by passing on Bush...Money was not the issue, because they paid Mario quite well, and the Saints had a high priced RB allready too.

Bush hasn't produced eye popping numbers, but what he has done is force toerh teams to actually gameplan for the saints offense...something we haven't been making teams do for quite a while...We use Bush as a decoy most of the time, and it works like a charm, plus the revamped Defene is helping a bucnh too.

But, yeah..Williams was not a #1 overall pick...the Saints have done that sort of thing many, many times...now..the Texans are doing it...thankfully, we were right behind you guys.
 
I don't understand the infatuation with Bush and the Saints. If you're a Texans fan why should you care about the Saints and Bush? I know....we could've selected Bush but guess what, we didn't. I'm as frustrated as most of you but the ONLY choice that I've is to be patient and wait for this team to turn the corner.
 
shadowdrinker_x said:
That's exactly what New Orleans did, minus firing the GM...

Mario might become better, but not until there is some really good talent around him...which is true for most players in the NFL.

But, I can say that the Texans screwed the pooch by passing on Bush...Money was not the issue, because they paid Mario quite well, and the Saints had a high priced RB allready too.

Bush hasn't produced eye popping numbers, but what he has done is force toerh teams to actually gameplan for the saints offense...something we haven't been making teams do for quite a while...We use Bush as a decoy most of the time, and it works like a charm, plus the revamped Defene is helping a bucnh too.

But, yeah..Williams was not a #1 overall pick...the Saints have done that sort of thing many, many times...now..the Texans are doing it...thankfully, we were right behind you guys.
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at market prices, yours reggie bush for size. the NFL is a different game and he can't just outrun everybody. you should get down on your knees and be grateful deuce is such a marvel to come back from the injuries he's had.
 
They don't understand that Gameplanning for players is not new in the NFL Battlered. They think that because Reggie Bush is on the field they are moving the ball b/c teams are keying on him & him alone. Joe Horn, Drew Brees & Duece McCallister are scrubs & haven't proven that they can play on the NFL level. I got news for you guys, the longest run play from scrimmage (duece 18 yds 2nd Qtr.) in that game bush wasn't even in the game.
 
Bush hasn't produced eye popping numbers, but what he has done is force toerh teams to actually gameplan for the saints offense...something we haven't been making teams do for quite a while...We use Bush as a decoy most of the time, and it works like a charm, plus the revamped Defene is helping a bucnh too.

That's crap, The Saints now have what is called a capable QB & coach. You really think that If Brooks & haslett were still there they'd still be this solid offensively. Plus you're telling me that you paid him 62 mil just to be a decoy? I'm not buying it.
 
Mr teX said:
Bush hasn't produced eye popping numbers, but what he has done is force toerh teams to actually gameplan for the saints offense...something we haven't been making teams do for quite a while...We use Bush as a decoy most of the time, and it works like a charm, plus the revamped Defene is helping a bucnh too.

That's crap, The Saints now have what is called a capable QB & coach. You really think that If Brooks & haslett were still there they'd still be this solid offensively. Plus you're telling me that you paid him 62 mil just to be a decoy? I'm not buying it.
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Are you trying to imply that having Reggie on the field doesn't make them more successful ?
 
Is this post aimed at Kubiack becasue he did some Mario bashing of his own. Mario needs to be a man and start hitting somebody. This patty cake he plays with the offense line of the other team has to stop.
 
The Saints might be a good team without Reggie Bush, but he makes them better...period...

But what is that saying??? A lot of teams would be good with a player missing here, or there ? The Eagles were good before T.O...When he came he took them to another level....

Not saying RB is T.O status, but he definitely has to be accounted for and paid close attention to when he's on the field...And if you deny that you are lying to yourself...

I can't think of any other Rookie who is keyed on like RB is...
 
Battle Red Bull said:
All this decoy talk is overrated. Any offensive skill player who doesn't get the ball is a decoy.
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lol...ok...so now you're saying that Randy Moss and Mark Bruener pose the same threat??? Terrell owens and Jabar Gafney would both command the same respect ?? How about a play fake to Ladanian vs. a play fake to Tony Hollings...The decoy talk is not overrated...The more of a threat a player is...The more attention he draws...And for RB to be drawing as much attention as he is as a rookie...shows that D.coordinators and players obviously disagree with your opinion...
 
Let's call it what it is. The decoy talk is a built-in excuse for when he doesn't put up numbers.

Which he didn't.
 
Battle Red Bull said:
Let's call it what it is. The decoy talk is a built-in excuse for when he doesn't put up numbers.

Which he didn't.
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Some may use it as an exscuse...Or you may just be paranoid....

Fact still remains....He is definitely keyed on...and draws more attention than any other rookie...
 
xtruroyaltyx said:
The Saints might be a good team without Reggie Bush, but he makes them better...period...

But what is that saying??? A lot of teams would be good with a player missing here, or there ? The Eagles were good before T.O...When he came he took them to another level....

Not saying RB is T.O status, but he definitely has to be accounted for and paid close attention to when he's on the field...And if you deny that you are lying to yourself...

I can't think of any other Rookie who is keyed on like RB is...
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But Reggie hasn't contributed like T.O. did. He had as many TDs as the rest of the team.... combined.

So far Reggie's can't punch it in from the two Yard line. He's an avg reciever...... we'd be bashing Gaffney for those kinds of numbers..... and a poor runningback.... 5 yards on 6 carries against GB.....

& how can you say he is being Keyed on, when there is only one guy covering him(a Linebacker at times....), who tackles him 100% of the time...

xtruroyaltyx said:
lol...ok...so now you're saying that Randy Moss and Mark Bruener pose the same threat??? Terrell owens and Jabar Gafney would both command the same respect ?? How about a play fake to Ladanian vs. a play fake to Tony Hollings...The decoy talk is not overrated...The more of a threat a player is...The more attention he draws...And for RB to be drawing as much attention as he is as a rookie...shows that D.coordinators and players obviously disagree with your opinion...
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JAddai gets as much play on a playfake as Reggie does...... it's more about how the QB sells it, than who the RB is.
 
Again, for crying out loud - go watch the game tape. The Falcons keyed on Bush on several plays and it opened up the offense for the Saints to use Deuce/Colston/Horn/Henderson. It's not an "excuse", it's the obvious truth. :brickwall
 
joetexan said:
Again, for crying out loud - go watch the game tape. The Falcons keyed on Bush on several plays and it opened up the offense for the Saints to use Deuce/Colston/Horn/Henderson. It's not an "excuse", it's the obvious truth.
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It is true, and kind of weird. Bush was doubled a couple of times when he went out for passes and the other receivers were left in single coverage. Joe Horn and their other receivers aren't chopped liver - they deserve some respect too.

The weird part is that they double the guy who hasn't done a whole lot yet as a pro. It looks like he is getting too much respect based on potential. I guess defensive coordinators either see something their or are as susceptible to hype as anyone else.
 
thunderkyss said:
But Reggie hasn't contributed like T.O. did. He had as many TDs as the rest of the team.... combined.
So far Reggie's can't punch it in from the two Yard line. He's an avg reciever...... we'd be bashing Gaffney for those kinds of numbers..... and a poor runningback.... 5 yards on 6 carries against GB.....
& how can you say he is being Keyed on, when there is only one guy covering him(a Linebacker at times....), who tackles him 100% of the time...
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No...He hasn't contributed like T.O...but that's besides the point...I was just pointing out how one player can make a difference...And if you are trying to lead me to believe that the first guy is always tackling him...then I have this for you........:pigfly:

thunderkyss said:
JAddai gets as much play on a playfake as Reggie does...... it's more about how the QB sells it, than who the RB is.
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I don't buy that....This is just one of those things we'll have to agree to disagree about...The reason I don't think this is true is because veterans revel in the fact that they have just made a tackle on "the great" Reggie Bush...Like they are trying to prove to him that this isn't college anymore...They..as in the players.....know RB is talented...The coaches of opposing teams know he is talented....now for you to try to lead me to believe that he has the same clout as Joseph Adaai is sickening...We are the same ones who said Mario wasn't playing as well as he could because "he was moving around the line"...LMAO....Well imagine how many different things RB had to learn...KR,PR,WR,RB......And just WR and RB is a load....

He IS being focused on by defenses...Something other rookies don't have the pressure of...

He did have to learn a lot of plays for different positions....

And you're saying he's not a great RB or WR at this point....How come it's wait and see with Mario but judge Reggie now....who by the way has made more of an impact than Mario ????? :tease:
 
Vinny said:
Bush leads the NFL in receptions as a RB so I hear.
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I haven't watched his stats that closely. Interesting.

However, how does he compare to receivers when lined up as a receiver? Those are the plays where I'm not sure he warrants the double team - yet.
 
Runner said:
It is true, and kind of weird. Bush was doubled a couple of times when he went out for passes and the other receivers were left in single coverage. Joe Horn and their other receivers aren't chopped liver - they deserve some respect too.

The weird part is that they double the guy who hasn't done a whole lot yet as a pro. It looks like he is getting too much respect based on potential. I guess defensive coordinators either see something their or are as susceptible to hype as anyone else.
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Exactly.....They may be showing him more respect than he deserves at this point...and I think thats really why the Saints are winning...and at the same time all the attention is keeping him from getting off, but letting everyone else do their thing....

edit: before I'm misunderstood...Reggie isn't the reason WHY they are winning but I think he is part of it...
 
Runner said:
I haven't watched his stats that closely. Interesting.

However, how does he compare to receivers when lined up as a receiver? Those are the plays where I'm not sure he warrants the double team - yet.
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I donno. Dogging Reggie or Vince or whomever because Mario has been a colossal disappointment is something I'm not interested in doing....homers do it though. Bush leads the NFL in receptions as a back after week 3 and Mario has yet to pressure the QB in the regular season or preseason. Let's just call it what it is and stop the Bush sucks propaganda...It makes us look stupid as a fan base. Not directing that at you...just what I'm thinking in general.
 
Vinny said:
I donno. Dogging Reggie or Vince or whomever because Mario has been a colossal disappointment is something I'm not interested in doing....homers do it though. Bush leads the NFL in receptions as a back after week 3 and Mario has yet to pressure the QB in the regular season or preseason. Let's just call it what it is and stop the Bush sucks propaganda...It makes us look stupid as a fan base. Not directing that at you...just what I'm thinking in general.
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I absolutely agree.
 
I don't know how Bush affects us, but our D needs all the help it can get. We have given up 98 points in 3 games, and the Giants have given up just 6 less with 92. So if ya'll want to draw comparisons let's talk D to D, the Giants have Stahan and the other DE, I can't spell or pronounce, that had over 20 sacks last year.So what's their excuse ? Can't be that they drafted Williams we did that. Let's look at the fact that maybe we were in need of more leadership at defense then we thought and Kubiak saw this, we brought in Weaver ( 1 sack ) & Kalu kept Babin ( 1 sack ) & Peek, and to have a successful outside rush you need a big man to plug the middle - Payne ? Obviously our choices at LB were, outside of Ryans, not the best, but if Wong comes back healthy we can field Wong-Ryans-Orr and I think that will help tremendously.
And if you still need a Bush fix, NO needs a winner as bad as us ,we shouldn't hate our nieghbors because they made a decision we decided not to.
 
The Saints might be a good team without Reggie Bush, but he makes them better...

Well of course he makes them better, any player with his speed & catching ability makes them better in the position Bush is in. What i'm saying is that he has done nothing that suggests he will be any better than a Westbrook or any other pass catching RB with pretty good speed (Chad Morton, Laurence Maroney, Deangelo Williams anyone.) Right now Brees is making more of an impact than Bush is as far as Offseason acquistions b/c Brees is making smart decisions with the ball & not turning it over. & I don't want to misunderstood, I think the kid is good & will have a solid career, my statement was just in reference to the Homers who are already measuring his forehead for his bust in Canton.
 
cbnjwill said:
saints about to go 3-0. texans 0-3. gee who you think made the right choice
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And im sure that 3-0 record is a direct result of Reggie's 3.5 ypc average and 0 TD's. It couldnt have anything to do with the fact the Saints were 8-8 the year before Katrina finally have Deuce McAllister healthy and have acctually added a decent QB...nope, that cant be it.
 
Every "Mario sucks" thread is usually a "We should have drafted Reggie thread" in disguise.

I'm of the opinion that Reggie Bush should be judged by the same standard as Mario Williams.

If MW should be getting sacks by now, then why shouldn't RB be scoring TD's yet?
 
Mr teX said:
The Saints might be a good team without Reggie Bush, but he makes them better...

Well of course he makes them better, any player with his speed & catching ability makes them better in the position Bush is in. What i'm saying is that he has done nothing that suggests he will be any better than a Westbrook or any other pass catching RB with pretty good speed (Chad Morton, Laurence Maroney, Deangelo Williams anyone.) Right now Brees is making more of an impact than Bush is as far as Offseason acquistions b/c Brees is making smart decisions with the ball & not turning it over.
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So do you judge every rookie after 3 games or just Reggie Bush ??? thats the real question....How do you know what any players career will lookk like 7 or 8 years from now ?? And I don't think any one said RB is making more of an impact than Horn, Duece, or Brees...And none of those other rookies are under as much scrutiny as RB....and He's not just a "pass catching RB"...He actually plays reciever....
 
Battle Red Bull said:
If MW should be getting sacks by now, then why shouldn't RB be scoring TD's yet?
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I feel sorry for all you fans that quantify players with stats and can't see past that or perhaps don't watch many games. It's clear to see how Bush affects a defense and it's just as clear to see how Mario doesn't affect an offense.
 
Battle Red Bull said:
Every "Mario sucks" thread is usually a "We should have drafted Reggie thread" in disguise.

I'm of the opinion that Reggie Bush should be judged by the same standard as Mario Williams.

If MW should be getting sacks by now, then why shouldn't RB be scoring TD's yet?
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How on earth can you say a TD=Sack....How does that compute???...whats the formula???...How can you even compare stats from an offensive player to a defensive player....get off of the stats thing...we are talking about impact...
 
Vinny said:
I feel sorry for all you fans that quantify players with stats and can't see past that or perhaps don't watch many games. It's clear to see how Bush affects a defense and it's just as clear to see how Mario doesn't affect an offense.
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wow...I wish I'd have said that...
 
xtruroyaltyx said:
So do you judge every rookie after 3 games or just Reggie Bush ??? thats the real question....How do you know what any players career will lookk like 7 or 8 years from now ??
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Carson Palmer and Steve McNair didn't even play their first years. At that pace no way they would ever be good /sarcasm.....once they hit the field you could see what the hype was all about.
 
thunderkyss said:
What did it look(through the Binoculars) like where he terribly beat #76 who was called for a hold??

During the Philly game, when he got into the backfield & chased McNabb from the pocket, how'd that look in the ole binoculars??

How'd he look when he grabbed Westbrook & brought him down with one hand??
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That's quite the list of impressive plays you've compiled there.... :ok: Took a whole three games, too!

I take it that you're not at the game giving Mario's playing time your undivided attention? Or you would not be touting such an uninformed opinion.

Give the guy time, he's a rookie, yada yada yada...how about ONE play where he DOMINATES as the FIRST OVERALL PICK? idonno:
 
xtruroyaltyx said:
So do you judge every rookie after 3 games or just Reggie Bush ??? thats the real question....How do you know what any players career will lookk like 7 or 8 years from now ?? And I don't think any one said RB is making more of an impact than Horn, Duece, or Brees...And none of those other rookies are under as much scrutiny as RB....and He's not just a "pass catching RB"...He actually plays reciever....
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No I don't & you just made my point. You have guys in here already declaring Williams a bust & he should be doing this & that & all of that is just crazy when he's only played 3 games. And as far as the bolded, By the way some people in here are talking, RB is the reason they are 3-0 conviently negelecting the addition of brees & the return of duece & the stellar play of the D. & maybe none of the other rooks aren't under as much scrutiny as RB, but alot of the scrutiny is not b/c of his actual play, but b/c of the controversy around NO & his alleged NCAA violations. & the last part What is he listed as?
 
Vinny said:
Not directing that at you...just what I'm thinking in general.
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I know you aren't. I'm obviously not a Bush sucks propagandist.

I jumped into the end of this thread without reading it all. I had noticed Bush being doubled during the game and just wondered why.
 
What I don't understand is how people can actually watch MW play...then watch RB play.....Then say RB sucks, and we definitely got the better man...honestly that is yet to be determined....At this point I can't say i know either one will be super stars...But I can say that I have been more impressed with RB...and thats without rewatching him on film...

Why are we constantly reminded that Mario came out as a Junior.....was Reggie not in the same boat???


Why is Reggie being judged after 3 games??? But Mario is not???

Why does Mario get a pass because he was DT and DE...and Reggie doesn't get the same pass for having to learn PR, KR, RB, WR???

Why can't we just call a spade a spade, and be honest that RB has done more for his team AT THIS POINT than Mario?? What does that mean??? It could mean nothing...or it could mean everything...we don't know....
 
Double Barrel said:
That's quite the list of impressive plays you've compiled there.... :ok: Took a whole three games, too!

I take it that you're not at the game giving Mario's playing time your undivided attention? Or you would not be touting such an uninformed opinion.

Give the guy time, he's a rookie, yada yada yada...how about ONE play where he DOMINATES as the FIRST OVERALL PICK? idonno:
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He has 8 tackles on the year :shades: Almost 3 tackles a game average.
 
Mr teX said:
. And as far as the bolded, By the way some people in here are talking, RB is the reason they are 3-0 conviently negelecting the addition of brees & the return of duece & the stellar play of the D. & maybe none of the other rooks aren't under as much scrutiny as RB, but alot of the scrutiny is not b/c of his actual play, but b/c of the controversy around NO & his alleged NCAA violations. & the last part What is he listed as?
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If anyone thinks that they are winning soley BECAUSE of RB, or any one player for that matter is crazy...It's a team game...RB could have 5,000 yards rushing but if he never scores a TD, and the Defense never stops anyone then it goes for naught....

BUT you can not deny that he is definitely PART of the reason they are winning...thats all I'm saying....He has definitely opened things up for others on the offensive side of the ball...
 
Why can't we just call a spade a spade, and be honest that RB has done more for his team AT THIS POINT than Mario?? What does that mean??? It could mean nothing...or it could mean everything...we don't know....


Well said, the point is its only 3 games & I would venture to say that most rookies even 1st rounders take at least their entire rookie season to adjust to playing ball in the NFL.
 
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