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Tunsil dealt to Washington

Porky said:
Not the least bit surprised. The market for him was limited. Most teams didn't want that aura in the building. Nick is a certified genie for getting what he got for this pot smoking lazy loser. So long and good riddance. Bye Felicia!
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Those darned old pot smokers, send them all to hell or Nirvana.
 
leebigeztx said:
Pitre is a walking completion and a poor tackler. They seem to like the person, but he hasn't been good. 0 is just as bad going away from the ball too. Also a walking completion.
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Yeah, I dont know what to think about Petrie, he was really good his rookie yr. Now he struggles in coverage and cant tackle. I guess it's better for him to play nickle than be the last line of defense as a S if he's going to be a poor tackler.
 
Sweech said:
Agree I think Pitre was excellent at nickle.

Got a lot of praise in the role from a lot of coaches and analyst types. Any of the tape breakdowns I watched often had noted him as difference maker - even if it was a breakdown of an opposing offense.

That said leebigeztx seems to have a thing about expecting safeties and linebackers to man cover wide receivers.
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He looked lost when the NYJ schemed up Adams playing in the slot with Petrie trying to cover him. The 2nd half of that game was a horror show for all that's wrong with Petries game. Lee Big should be happy with the CGJ trade, he's very good at covering the TE's. Best since Tashaun Gipson. I never understood why BOB got rid of that guy?
 
badboy said:
Emmanwori is the answer to TEs and midfield coverage but can we ignore left tackle and guard? If our offensive line is set then I would say yes. However, if Nick does what I suggested and drafts Simmons or Conerly with 25 and then trades up 58 76 and 89 for 1.28 to get Donovan Jackson then that's a no-go. Also, I could see in the trade up scenario drafting both Josh's for those two positions.
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CGJ is Ryan's answer to this post.
 
steelbtexan said:
So posters, not just you are setting the narrative that if Tunsil plays at a high level for the Redskins it's because he cared more in Washington? It couldn't be because he had to play next to guys like Green/Scharping or had centers like Justin Britt/Nick Martin/Juice Scruggs playing like crap and making terrible OL calls.

Out of the 13 false starts because of BS refs he got 5 in one game. Plus he had to deal with Scruggs dumba--. After Patterson got to play C, the false starts stopped. Even at that 8 false starts aren't that many in 16 games. I'll bet you with better talent around him on the Redskins Tunsil plays very well next yr. Also I'll be you that some posters here will continue to live in denial. (Not you)
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The Texans have turned over their OL pretty heavily so far this off season. It's pretty clear that they're not happy with what they got out of the existing group and I don't think anyone can take issue with that. It was not producing results. Tunsil was not playing to his ability either and we can all go round and round about why that was but in the end it doesn't matter. Lazy, surrounded by numbskulls, overly pampered, bad fit for what the Texans were trying to do on offense, lot of that seemed to be going around here last season if that was the case. Whatever. If that's one of the best LT's in the game then something wasn't working. We have a new OC and sent the old OL coach on his way. They're starting over.

Tunsil is an asset that can be exchanged for resources. Same with Green. Mason not so much. I'm good with all the changes. You watch a lot more football than I do these days. With Tunsil it seemed like every time I was paying attention he was being called for a penalty. I'm just saying it could be a win-win because maybe the Texans rebuild schedule and Tunsil's career might not align anymore. They missed their collective window so to speak.
 
Hervoyel said:
The Texans have turned over their OL pretty heavily so far this off season. It's pretty clear that they're not happy with what they got out of the existing group and I don't think anyone can take issue with that. It was not producing results. Tunsil was not playing to his ability either and we can all go round and round about why that was but in the end it doesn't matter. Lazy, surrounded by numbskulls, overly pampered, bad fit for what the Texans were trying to do on offense, lot of that seemed to be going around here last season if that was the case. Whatever. If that's one of the best LT's in the game then something wasn't working. We have a new OC and sent the old OL coach on his way. They're starting over.

Tunsil is an asset that can be exchanged for resources. Same with Green. Mason not so much. I'm good with all the changes. You watch a lot more football than I do these days. With Tunsil it seemed like every time I was paying attention he was being called for a penalty. I'm just saying it could be a win-win because maybe the Texans rebuild schedule and Tunsil's career might not align anymore. They missed their collective window so to speak.
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I agree with the last paragraph, I would've held onto Tunsil for one more yr and drafted his replacement in this draft, then put say Banks at LG for a season to get his feet wet and traded Tunsil next off-season. Caserio decided to go with his Pats training, which is to trade a player a yr early so that he can get more value in a trade. Caserio must be very confident in his ability to draft Tunsil's replacement. I've got faith in Caserio. I've got this bad feeling that Howard is going to be the starting LT at least to start next yr.
 
DrumBeatsLouder said:
I trust Caserio
I trust Ryans
I trust Stroud
I blindly trust Caley
...but after HIS erroneous, guaranteed penalties which negated our offense's forward progress, I absolutely cannot trust Tunsil after that shitshow of '24.

The move was done for all the right reasons, including the lack of participation during summer camp. Leader/captain my ass.
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Massive trust-building move with me for DeMeco. Absolutely huge. They see the problem and the culture and want to fix it. They know something is wrong despite the injuries. Great news on that front.

3 OL gone in 2 days. Fantastic. ******* love it.
 
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So far, neither goal has been met, and you can argue that this team has lost more quality players than it has added. Trading for receiver Deebo Samuel is precarious after he put up his worst yards per route (1.61) in his career, even though the 49ers were pass-heavy by their standards last season. Washington also traded away several mid-round picks for Houston tackle Laremy Tunsil, who may have one more season of good play left in him. His film from last season reveals his play was worse than pass blocking advanced metrics might indicate. Those additions are offset by the losses of receiver Dyami Brown, defensive tackle Jonathan Allen, and safety Jeremy Chinn—each of whom would’ve been much easier to replace with the draft picks given up for Tunsil.
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steelbtexan said:
I agree with the last paragraph, I would've held onto Tunsil for one more yr and drafted his replacement in this draft, then put say Banks at LG for a season to get his feet wet and traded Tunsil next off-season. Caserio decided to go with his Pats training, which is to trade a player a yr early so that he can get more value in a trade. Caserio must be very confident in his ability to draft Tunsil's replacement. I've got faith in Caserio. I've got this bad feeling that Howard is going to be the starting LT at least to start next yr.
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The Pats at their peak were experts at letting go of players a year early and maximizing their return. The team got a solid haul for Tunsil. He’s a quality player right now. But I question whether he’s the type of player who will maintain this level of play into his late 30s like an Andrew Whitworth or Jason Peters.

There were signs of decline last season, any further decline would’ve just reduced what they could have gotten via trade.
 
steelbtexan said:
I agree with the last paragraph, I would've held onto Tunsil for one more yr and drafted his replacement in this draft, then put say Banks at LG for a season to get his feet wet and traded Tunsil next off-season. Caserio decided to go with his Pats training, which is to trade a player a yr early so that he can get more value in a trade. Caserio must be very confident in his ability to draft Tunsil's replacement. I've got faith in Caserio. I've got this bad feeling that Howard is going to be the starting LT at least to start next yr.
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I know Tunsil's contract has an out in it after next season, I'm just not sure who controls it; but Tunsil's track record I fully expect him to either exercise the out of hold out for a new deal, and I doubt the opinion of his play will be better next year compared to now (Multiple teams were offered LT and most passed). All that to say I'm not sure how much value he would have had next offseason. This was the time to move him if you wanted max returns.
 
TheMatrix31 said:
Massive trust-building move with me for DeMeco. Absolutely huge. They see the problem and the culture and want to fix it. They know something is wrong despite the injuries. Great news on that front.

3 OL gone in 2 days. Fantastic. ******* love it.
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See now if that was 3 OL signed in 2 days before 3 OL gone in 2 days, that would be "Fantastic", and I would too would "******* love it." :winky: I remember a conversation from forever ago, that the offseason would be a lot more interesting/sensible if the draft came before FA. I really think that idea should be revisited.
 
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Errant Hothy said:
I know Tunsil's contract has an out in it after next season, I'm just not sure who controls it; but Tunsil's track record I fully expect him to either exercise the out of hold out for a new deal, and I doubt the opinion of his play will be better next year compared to now (Multiple teams were offered LT and most passed). All that to say I'm not sure how much value he would have had next offseason. This was the time to move him if you wanted max returns.
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He would have less value after next season in draft capital. How much you value the ability to train up a LT that plays LG after being drafted this yr and letting him learn for a yr then moving to LT depends on how much you value experience in your 2nd yr LT. Now most likely Howard will be the LT while the young drafted guy learns. I wish CJ good luck with that.
 
TheMatrix31 said:
Massive trust-building move with me for DeMeco. Absolutely huge. They see the problem and the culture and want to fix it. They know something is wrong despite the injuries. Great news on that front.

3 OL gone in 2 days. Fantastic. ******* love it.
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Does Green really count in that?
 
TheRealJoker V2 said:
The Pats at their peak were experts at letting go of players a year early and maximizing their return. The team got a solid haul for Tunsil. He’s a quality player right now. But I question whether he’s the type of player who will maintain this level of play into his late 30s like an Andrew Whitworth or Jason Peters.

There were signs of decline last season, any further decline would’ve just reduced what they could have gotten via trade.
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True, after the last two seasons playing with a knee injury most guys wouldn't have played on and last season playing on a bum ankle his play while still above avg wasn't as good as it has been in the past. After age 32 injuries seem to be more frequent and take longer to comeback from. I looks to me that Tunsil's injury issues may have started at age 29 and wont get less frequent.
 
steelbtexan said:
He would have less value after next season in draft capital. How much you value the ability to train up a LT that plays LG after being drafted this yr and letting him learn for a yr then moving to LT depends on how much you value experience in your 2nd yr LT. Now most likely Howard will be the LT while the young drafted guy learns. I wish CJ good luck with that.
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I don't know how much value that is worth in comparison to the draft capital, also it's pretty clear that the coaching staff and the FO wanted a change in the OL room and I doubt they would have wanted anymore rookies added to that room in it's previous construction.

Also I know that the current plan is for Howard to play LT, but I doubt it's set in stone.
 
steelbtexan said:
So posters, not just you are setting the narrative that if Tunsil plays at a high level for the Redskins it's because he cared more in Washington? It couldn't be because he had to play next to guys like Green/Scharping or had centers like Justin Britt/Nick Martin/Juice Scruggs playing like crap and making terrible OL calls.

Out of the 13 false starts because of BS refs he got 5 in one game. Plus he had to deal with Scruggs dumba--. After Patterson got to play C, the false starts stopped. Even at that 8 false starts aren't that many in 16 games. I'll bet you with better talent around him on the Redskins Tunsil plays very well next yr. Also I'll bet you that some posters here will continue to live in denial. (Not you)
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Meh, I couldnt care less how he does with Washington, he’s a very good player when he’s not killing drives.

I’m more interested in what we’ll turn his picks into.
 
Tunsil didn’t give up many sacks, fourth best in the nfl last year, but he was last in the nfl for penalties. Wonder if there is a stat for how many hits, interceptions, sacks, hurried throws, etc that CJ suffered while trying to get back those five and ten yard setbacks?
 
Lucky said:
Tunsil will be in a Kingsbury offense. So, it's not like the Commanders will be asking Laremy to drive block 5 yards downfield. He'll be OK, once Dan Quinn gets used to the false starts.
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I’m gonna miss making excuses for Tunsil’s false starts in the game day threads as a vet captain audibling out of a bad play call because the QB is not allowed to audible :(
 
steelbtexan said:
I'm interested in the picks too vs how Tunsil's career turns out.
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I like the Redskins. Now that Dan Snyder is gone, I am hoping they have success. So, I hope Tunsil is good for them.

Regardless, I will have a single assessment to determine my level of contentment with the trade: The OL production should be much better next year. If it is, then I am a huge supporter of this trade. If it looks similar to last year except that the RDEs are winning the race to sack Stroud then I will be miserably frustrated by it.
 
steelbtexan said:
I agree with the last paragraph, I would've held onto Tunsil for one more yr and drafted his replacement in this draft, then put say Banks at LG for a season to get his feet wet and traded Tunsil next off-season. Caserio decided to go with his Pats training, which is to trade a player a yr early so that he can get more value in a trade. Caserio must be very confident in his ability to draft Tunsil's replacement. I've got faith in Caserio. I've got this bad feeling that Howard is going to be the starting LT at least to start next yr.
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I don't really have the faith you have in his ability to analyze, draft, and develop players at that position. We haven't seen it yet and until it happens, I can't believe it.
 
Errant Hothy said:
I know Tunsil's contract has an out in it after next season, I'm just not sure who controls it; but Tunsil's track record I fully expect him to either exercise the out of hold out for a new deal, and I doubt the opinion of his play will be better next year compared to now (Multiple teams were offered LT and most passed). All that to say I'm not sure how much value he would have had next offseason. This was the time to move him if you wanted max returns.
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He can be cut after June 1st this season with a savings of approximately 11 million and a dead cap of about $ 10.5m. Another trade would allow more space but I would not see that. Everything points to Washington extended him soon.
 
Errant Hothy said:
I know Tunsil's contract has an out in it after next season, I'm just not sure who controls it; but Tunsil's track record I fully expect him to either exercise the out of hold out for a new deal, and I doubt the opinion of his play will be better next year compared to now (Multiple teams were offered LT and most passed). All that to say I'm not sure how much value he would have had next offseason. This was the time to move him if you wanted max returns.
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The contract "out" is always a team option. The Redskins will certainly extend his contract based on the draft capital they gave to get him.

In terms of the "Multiple teams were offered LT and most passed," that's just a silly line by some reporter. Caserio shopped Tunsil with draft requirements included, the teams that didn't agree/negotiate "passed on the deal". That statement doesn't really mean anything.
 
leebigeztx said:
I don't really have the faith you have in his ability to analyze, draft, and develop players at that position. We haven't seen it yet and until it happens, I can't believe it.
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I'm hoping a unified front Caserio/Caley/Popovich will help rectify this issue. It better, because they've gone all in on their ability to evaluate OL prospects. Trading Tunsil was a really ballsey move.
 
As I have been saying, Tunsil lived off his reputation. He wasn’t good. Hasn’t been in a while, but 2024 was a low point. Now I see those that break film down agree with me. PFF rates him as the 23rd best tackle for 2024. Decent maybe, but probowl caliber? Nope.

That doesn’t even take the negative intangibles and the penalties into account. That’s just his tangible output on the field.

The mere fact that Nick fleeced Washington is a biblical miracle. There was walking on water, healing sick people, rising from the dead, and getting Washington to give us a 2nd and 3rd for a dumpster fire. For miracles, is it Nick or Jesus? I gotta say…it’s close for me.
 
Porky said:
As I have been saying, Tunsil lived off his reputation. He wasn’t good. Hasn’t been in a while, but 2024 was a low point. Now I see those that break film down agree with me. PFF rates him as the 23rd best tackle for 2024. Decent maybe, but probowl caliber? Nope.

That doesn’t even take the negative intangibles and the penalties into account. That’s just his tangible output on the field.

The mere fact that Nick fleeced Washington is a biblical miracle. There was walking on water, healing sick people, rising from the dead, and getting Washington to give us a 2nd and 3rd for a dumpster fire. For miracles, is it Nick or Jesus? I gotta say…it’s close for me.
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I'm really looking forward to seeing how Tunsil does with real talent around him like Biadaz/Coleman. Petters/Quinn obviouslythink Tunsil will help protect Daniels blindside better than you do.

One team (Right or wrong) made a move that they think will put them closer to a SB ring. Another team chose to bet on their ablilty to replace Tunsil and have the cap room to hav a sustained championship contender. If Caserio/Caley/Popovich do their jobs then there's a very good chance this not only could be a wim -win , but the Texans could actually win this deal. I'm a risk taker and I wouldn't have taken the risk Caserio/Caley/Popovich took, my hats are off to them.
 
Porky said:
As I have been saying, Tunsil lived off his reputation. He wasn’t good. Hasn’t been in a while, but 2024 was a low point. Now I see those that break film down agree with me. PFF rates him as the 23rd best tackle for 2024. Decent maybe, but probowl caliber? Nope.

That doesn’t even take the negative intangibles and the penalties into account. That’s just his tangible output on the field.

The mere fact that Nick fleeced Washington is a biblical miracle. There was walking on water, healing sick people, rising from the dead, and getting Washington to give us a 2nd and 3rd for a dumpster fire. For miracles, is it Nick or Jesus? I gotta say…it’s close for me.
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Hmm. I see your point, though, I am not sure if we fleeced Washington. Feels like an overall fair trade, IMO. I'm just glad to be rid of the guy, to be honest.
 
steelbtexan said:
I'm really looking forward to seeing how Tunsil does with real talent around him like Biadaz/Coleman. Petters/Quinn obviouslythink Tunsil will help protect Daniels blindside better than you do.

One team (Right or wrong) made a move that they think will put them closer to a SB ring. Another team chose to bet on their ablilty to replace Tunsil and have the cap room to hav a sustained championship contender. If Caserio/Caley/Popovich do their jobs then there's a very good chance this not only could be a wim -win , but the Texans could actually win this deal. I'm a risk taker and I wouldn't have taken the risk Caserio/Caley/Popovich took, my hats are off to them.
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yeah, this isn't even a "calculated" risk, where you weigh the odds and the odds usually are in your favor; this is a RISK risk, where things could go very wrong with no guarantees. This move took some major balls.
 
DBCooper said:
Meh, I couldnt care less how he does with Washington, he’s a very good player when he’s not killing drives.

I’m more interested in what we’ll turn his picks into.
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Agreed. A change of scene is possibly what he needs. He may turn into a well-rounded, disciplined superstar.

Regardless: I don't care.
 
Lucky said:
There wasn't a football reason to trade Brown. I think there were football reasons to trade Tunsil.
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If you consider money to be a football reason then I agree with you.

As of right now the Texans are a worse football team than they were at the beginning of the week.
 
steelbtexan said:
If you consider money to be a football reason then I agree with you.

As of right now the Texans are a worse football team than they were at the beginning of the week.
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True but I believe they have a plan to make the line better.

They did the hard part and identified the pieces they don’t think work here and jettisoned them.

They identified that Tunsil is not the kind of leader they want on this line and got something for him.

A lot of offseason left before calling we are worse off.
 
steelbtexan said:
If you consider money to be a football reason then I agree with you.

As of right now the Texans are a worse football team than they were at the beginning of the week.
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That’s an overdramatic take Steel….

Better defensively, added a weapon at WR, upgrade at one OG spot. Lost Tunsil but that doesn’t make them a worse team all considered. And it’s March!

Tell me, how many good OLs has Tunsil played on because it never happened in Houston. And the team got something for him at least… I don’t mind seeing what’s behind door number two at this point for the offensive line.
 
TheRealJoker V2 said:
That’s an overdramatic take Steel….

Better defensively, added a weapon at WR, upgrade at one OG spot. Lost Tunsil but that doesn’t make them a worse team all considered. And it’s March!

Tell me, how many good OLs has Tunsil played on because it never happened in Houston. And the team got something for him at least… I don’t mind seeing what’s behind door number two at this point for the offensive line.
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What I will tell you is they aren't as good a football team as they were on Monday. Now they have a chance to be a better football team by May 1st, Caserio/Caley/Popovich put pressure on themselves to nail this draft. Hopefully they're up to the task.
 
DBCooper said:
True but I believe they have a plan to make the line better.

They did the hard part and identified the pieces they don’t think work here and jettisoned them.

They identified that Tunsil is not the kind of leader they want on this line and got something for him.

A lot of offseason left before calling we are worse off.
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The hard part will be identifying talent and drafting talent to upgrade the OL. Easy part is cutting dead weight.
 
steelbtexan said:
The hard part will be identifying talent and drafting talent to upgrade the OL. Easy part is cutting dead weight.
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The issue is if they don't get some decent veteran talent in free agency, they'll have to lean on the draft. At least with free agents you mostly (sometimes) know what you're getting. Any draft pick can be a bust. How many good olinemen have Caserio/DeMeco/new oline coach drafted yet?
 
thunderkyss said:
What was the football reason to trade Tunsil? The need to protect the QB's blind side?
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First, Tunsil was a drive killer with his league high penalty count. He personally took the run out of consideration by adding yardage to many plays. That led to more blitzes. Maybe not to the extent of the Chiefs Jawaan Taylor, but Tunsil had a tell by rocking back on his heels on passing downs. And he was an average run blocker at best. Hell, even Kenyon Green had some pancake blocks on runs.

Basically, Tunsil often turned the Texans offense one dimensional by himself. I couldn't care less what the PFF graders say. Tunsil was no longer an All Pro LT. He had his worst season as a Texan in 2024. When a guy regresses and no longer earns a high salary, he is replaced in the NFL. There was no reason for the Texans to think Tunsil would have a bounce back season. So they cut bait. Happens all over the league.
 
We were taking advantage of by Miami when we got him and then we were taken advantage of by Washington when we traded him.
 
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