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Tunsil dealt to Washington

KoolAid Sipper said:
I too believe those picks will be used to move up...I don't have an opinion on who they would target. But I sure would like to know the plan for the OL post draft.
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2.58 plus 3.79 plus 3.89 = 1.28.
Depending on who's there I wonder if tricky Nick continues to be slicky and trades up again to have two round ones?
 
Earl34 said:
It feels like the Texans didn’t get enough for an elite, pass blocking LT.

However, if you take into consideration that they didn’t have any plans to extend him and the potential for him to holdout, then the trade makes more sense.
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To me it feels like the Texans wanted him gone & they didn't do a good job hiding that fact during negotiations. But I don't think they wanted him gone because of what he can/can't do, but what he would/wouldn't do.
 
Porky said:
Fisher moves to LT, and Howard to RT. (IMO)
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I do not think that is what will happen.

Fisher has played almost no left tackle with either with the Texans or at Notre Dame, and what LT he has played with the Texans did not go well.

Howard has played a fair amount of LT, and what time he has spent at that position was outstanding.

If they do not pick up a highly rated LT in the draft. I would expect to see Howard at LT and Fisher at RT.
 
I’d be finding a way to trade back into RD1 so I reunite the Buckeyes left side of LT- Simmons and LG- Jackson.

I’d also take a flier on RT- Cornelius (Oregon).

If Simmons isn’t 100%, I bump Fisher over to LT and let Howard (if he’s still on the roster) Cornelius compete for starting RT.

Hail, I’d ask the refs if they could use a 2 Mississippi count for the DE if Ryans kept Howard on the bench. I like those chances better.
 
My concern of course is that the Texans have had 2 legitimate LTs in their entire existence: Duane Brown and Laremy Tunsil. So it's not like these type of guys just grow on trees.

Looking at it from a draft perspective you've got a 3rd rounder minus a 4th rounder (16% minus %8) %8 chance of getting an NFL starter in 2025. In 2026, you have a 2nd (33% chance) and a 4th (8% chance) to get an NFL starter. So all together you have a %49 chance of getting a starter due to this trade.

And by NFL starter I mean someone that will hold a starting position throughout their career, not someone who ranks in the top half at their position, let alone an all-star. The ONLY time the Texans had a dominant line was just a few years during Kubiak's early career.

As someone who believes that the trenches win games, I hope you can understand my frustration. I'd be much more understanding if they had a lineman they had developed under him that legitimately deserves a shot next year that they could point to, and no Blake Fisher doesn't count yet. It is still early, and maybe there's a master plan that I don't know about, but until then I'm going to remain frustrated.
 
cland said:
Looking at it from a draft perspective you've got a 3rd rounder minus a 4th rounder (16% minus %8) %8 chance of getting an NFL starter in 2025. In 2026, you have a 2nd (33% chance) and a 4th (8% chance) to get an NFL starter.
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What happened to 2025 1st & 2nd and 2026 1st & 3rd?
 
JB said:
Well I don't agree with this move as of now but we'll see. You just got another huge hole on the OL
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Same, not upset with his absence... just to early to celebrate IMO.

New boss same as the old.... some times the replacement is an improvement.... sometimes not.
 
JB said:
What happened to 2025 1st & 2nd and 2026 1st & 3rd?
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Clearly it was specific to the trade, trying to recoup another LT with the traded assets.

Outside of that 2025 is weak at LT. Even Will Campbell doesn't "fit" the traditional LT size.
 
2025 seems to be a terrible OT draft, with guys that are projected to be OGs or RT at best. Trusting the blindside of your young franchise QB to Tytus Howard is certainly puzzling.

I like that they got solid compensation for Tunsil at this stage in his career, but good LTs don't hit the FA market.
 
I wonder of they see something in Fisher that we havent paid close enough attention to. I figured that theyd want him to step into a bigger role, but blind side protector?

I thought he played pretty well last year but I didnt really study him.
 
AggiebyMarriage said:
I do not think that is what will happen.

Fisher has played almost no left tackle with either with the Texans or at Notre Dame, and what LT he has played with the Texans did not go well.

Howard has played a fair amount of LT, and what time he has spent at that position was outstanding.

If they do not pick up a highly rated LT in the draft. I would expect to see Howard at LT and Fisher at RT.
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Fisher didn't play LT at Notre Dame because of some dude named Joe Alt, you might have heard of him.

He'll probably get a look, depending on what happens in the rest of FA and the draft.
 
xtruroyaltyx said:
I wonder of they see something in Fisher that we havent paid close enough attention to. I figured that theyd want him to step into a bigger role, but blind side protector?

I thought he played pretty well last year but I didnt really study him.
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He did okay, but he was definitely beaten around the edge at RT too many times. Not to hold that against him, OT is a hard position to be productive at as a rookie.

Ideally, he's on his way and he did play LT at Notre Dame before Joe Alt replaced him while he was injured. Just wish we had a surer bet in place.
 
The1ApplePie said:
2025 seems to be a terrible OT draft, with guys that are projected to be OGs or RT at best. Trusting the blindside of your young franchise QB to Tytus Howard is certainly puzzling.

I like that they got solid compensation for Tunsil at this stage in his career, but good LTs don't hit the FA market.
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Alaric Jackson hit FA and if healthy [nothing says he will not] Josh Simmons is considered by several to be best pure LT in draft and quite possibly to be at 25. Josh Conerly is also considered a very good player who can start day one. Also Charles Grant who should be available at 3.89 could be a starter but not rated as highly. All is not lost.
 
cland said:
He did okay, but he was definitely beaten around the edge at RT too many times. Not to hold that against him, OT is a hard position to be productive at as a rookie.

Ideally, he's on his way and he did play LT at Notre Dame before Joe Alt replaced him while he was injured. Just wish we had a surer bet in place.
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Fisher is a natural left tackle who came back from injury and moved to right side as Joe Alt was doing well and coaches want best on line together . I would rather Fisher remain at right tackle if we have a better option for the left and I believe we will.
 
Hervoyel said:
Are we really? His talents and his warts are on full display every Sunday. We all see what he does to drives and I don't care how good he's supposed to be he flat-out kills drives with that BS. Washington likely gave as much as anyone would offer for the chance to watch that. Now, Laremy comes out next season and is a changed man then it looks bad but to me it looks like he didn't give a s**t here enough to fix it in that case.

He comes out doing the same crap there that he did here and I'm delighted we're done paying him top dollar to screw up.
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Or he had a decent C/LG playing next to him.

You cant fix stupid, (Ron White)
 
Porky said:
Coincidence? I think not. All the chicken littles make me chuckle. Removing a canker sore hurts…for a bit. Then new skin forms and it’s better then before. You can’t judge this trade whatsoever until,all the picks are in, and any and all corresponding moves with the da- space are complete. Like Tunsil is the only decent LT in the world. He SUCKED… CAPITAL LETTERS FOR YUUUGE EMPHASIS.

Bottom line…the canker sore is now Washington’s problem. Soon enough, Skins fans will be bitching and moaning how they got fleeced. Sorry Skins..no buyers remorse.
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This isn't an opinion shared by most NFL personnel.

I'll judge this by how the OL plays next yr and whether CJ is healthy all yr next yr. Right now I trust Caserio's judgement.
 
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houstonspartan said:
Yeah, I agree. I think this entire move was about culture. If LT was a focused, smart, prepared leader, he would still be here - regardless of money or cap considerations. I think this was about creating the team culture that they have long wanted. As long as you have someone who comes to practice when he wants, that culture is difficult to build.

I have gotten so many excited texts from Texans fans that I know, I've lost count. My phone was blowing up earlier. Anyone who pays attention to this team can see that Tunsil was a problem.
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We're going to find out when Tunsil plays for the Redskins.
 
Thorn said:
Who's the new LT so's we can start trashing him early? :)
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Since Tunsil's trash according to some on here, I expect the new LT to play as well as Tunsil immediately and with the new culture the ol to be at least a middle of the pack OL.
 
steelbtexan said:
Since Tunsil's trash according to some on here, I expect the new LT to play as well as Tunsil immediately and with the new culture the ol to be at least a middle of the pack OL.
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Let’s be honest Steel. Tunsil heart isn’t in football anymore. Guys should be able to celebrate and go clubbing, of course. This guy wasn’t the right role model for Cj and our other young players on the offensive side. Seems like he’s a fashionista too and inspired other players on line to become one as well. Now ask yourself, do we really want that from the toughest/scrappiest position on the field. Tunsil was very solid. Held his own against Garrett and a few other elite pass rushers. He’s better suited on a non contending team. Jayden Daniels should be worried. “If Cj Stroud and the Texans didn’t want him, why are we getting him?” Yeah good luck Washington
 
DanielTx said:
Let’s be honest Steel. Tunsil heart isn’t in football anymore. Guys should be able to celebrate and go clubbing, of course. This guy wasn’t the right role model for Cj and our other young players on the offensive side. Seems like he’s a fashionista too and inspired other players on line to become one as well. Now ask yourself, do we really want that from the toughest/scrappiest position on the field. Tunsil was very solid. Held his own against Garrett and a few other elite pass rushers. He’s better suited on a non contending team. Jayden Daniels should be worried. “If Cj Stroud and the Texans didn’t want him, why are we getting him?” Yeah good luck Washington
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Money that would be better spent on Stingley/CJ/WA etc...

We're going to find out, I'm betting the Redskins are going to be really good next yr and Tunsil plays well now that he's got a good LG/C next to him.
 
steelbtexan said:
Since Tunsil's trash according to some on here, I expect the new LT to play as well as Tunsil immediately and with the new culture the ol to be at least a middle of the pack OL.
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How would it look for the OL if Caserio did a two three that landed the Texans CJ and Will….only at 23 or 24 and 25. This trade up only happens if Simmons and Jackson are still on the board. Could Caserio make lightning strike twice?
 
OptimisticTexan said:
How would it look for the OL if Caserio did a two three like he did with CJ and Will….only at 23 or 24 and 25. This trade up only happens if Simmons and Jackson are still on the board. Could Caserio make lightning strike twice?
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After hearing that Simmons most likely will be ready for camp, I doubt Simmons makes it to 1-25. However if Banks falls below 15 I'm trading up for him and then if they want to get serious about fixing the OL then trade backup for Jackson using 2026 picks. If you think Jackson is a 10 yr starter then do these deals.

1-25 and 2026 2nd (Houston's) for say 1-17 and pick Banks.

2-58 and Houston's 2026 1st for say 1-28 and pick Jackson.

The left side of your OL would be solid for the next decade.

You would still have two 3rds to work with, the downside is you wouldn't pick until late in the 2nd with your 1st pick in 2026. But that's a price I would gladly pay to secure the left side of the OL for the next decade. Of course you could sit at 2-58 and pick somebody like Milum or Ratledge and still have your 1st rd 2026 pick.

Right now Caserio is thinking he can find 4 starters with those 4 top 100 picks and he's got the 2026 extra 2nd as draft capital to use to move up and get his LT if a guy he likes falls a little bit.
 
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I trust Caserio
I trust Ryans
I trust Stroud
I blindly trust Caley
...but after HIS erroneous, guaranteed penalties which negated our offense's forward progress, I absolutely cannot trust Tunsil after that shitshow of '24.

The move was done for all the right reasons, including the lack of participation during summer camp. Leader/captain my ass.
 
JB said:
Cap relief was the driving focus of the trade. Not just for 2025 but mainly for 2026 and beyond. Don't be surprised to see Howard moved also if not before the season then by the trade deadline
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This is what I was thinking about Howard as well.
 
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For those who think Tunsil was traded for

Money/cap space ...you are correct
Personality/Leadership...you are correct
Style of Play/non-swarm...you are correct
The combination of everything you are most correct

(For those who are trusting what I heard versus watching yourself)
 

Howard made a similar position change in 2021. But then it was to replace an injured Tunsil and GeronChristian at left tackle. In four starts at the position, Howard allowed one sack, two pressures and a 99.0 pass blocking efficiency grade per Pro Football Focus.

The other is Blake Fisher. Houston selected him in the second round of the 2024 draft as a primary backup to both Tunsil and Howard. Fisher briefly spelled Tunsil in four games last season while the left tackle was tending to injuries. Those stints were troublesome as he allowed five pressures in just 44 snaps according to PFF.

Fisher earned a starting spot at right tackle to finish the season when Howard pushed inside late in the year. There were also growing pains in that stretch, as Fisher allowed six sacks and 18 pressures over the six consecutive starts at the position. It concluded with an ugly playoff performance against the Kansas City Chiefs where Fisher was accountable for three sacks and seven pressures in the loss.

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Many tackles available on the open market were picked up before the Texans made the trade. Though there are some options still available as of late Monday. Tyron Smith, Cam Robinson, Jedrick Wills Jr., Joseph Noteboom and Trent Brown appear to be potential options.

Smith is a two-time First Team All-Pro from his long tenure with the Dallas Cowboys. But injuries have been an issue for him over the last five seasons. Smith missed the final seven games of the season last year with the New York Jets due to a neck injury. He allowed five sacks and 22 pressures across 10 games last year per PFF. He's also four years older than Tunsil at 34.

Robinson is a name that Houston is familiar with after spending most of his first eight seasons in the AFC South with the Jacksonville Jaguars. He was traded to the Minnesota Vikings after seven games last year to help shore up their blindside ahead of a playoff push. He allowed eight sacks and 64 pressures across 18 games with both teams in 2024.

Wills would be familiar to Ryans as he was a standout at his alma mater, Alabama. That earned him a top 10 selection by the Cleveland Browns in the 2020 NFL draft. Wills has shown worthy of that pick at times but been inconsistent in his NFL career. He allowed three sacks and 11 pressures across five games before suffering a lingering knee injury ended his season last year. Though Ryans and Caserio have shown a liking to Alabama products, having as many as six on the roster last season.

Noteboom doesn’t have familiarity with Ryans, though he does with a new key member of the Texans staff. He’s played all seven of his NFL seasons for the Los Angeles Rams, the last two of which came under the coaching of new Houston offensive coordinator Nick Caley. Noteboom was not a primary starter for the Rams but familiarity with the Texans' new offensive leadership could draw some interest.

Another player who shares history with Caley is Brown. The soon-to-be 31-year-old was the starting left tackle for the New England Patriots twice when Caley was a coach there including when they won the Super Bowl in 2018. Brown allowed 11 sacks and 47 pressures across those two seasons (2018, 2022). He was to be the Cincinnati Bengals starting right tackle last season but tore his patellar tendon after three games. If Brown still has top level play left in him, he could be a name to watch given his familiarity with Caley.

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Houston currently has pick No. 25 in the first round, likely too late for a top-tier tackle to be available.

With 17 picks in the next two drafts, Houston could package some of them to trade up to select a tackle this year. LSU’s Will Campbell, Missouri’s Armand Membou and Texas’ Kelvin Banks Jr. are likely to be among the first tackles taken.

If Houston wants to keep those picks and find their tackle with their current draft pick, they might be able to do so as well. Options like Ohio State’s Josh Simmons and Donovan Jackson, Oregon’s Josh Connerly Jr. and Minnesota’s Aireontae Ersery could be available at the end of the first round. /
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Carr Bombed said:
2023 and 2025 are two completely different scenarios..

I still think it'd be stupid to trade your elite pass protector when starting a rookie QB.. Tunsil served his purpose in '23. Trading him with Stroud entering his 3rd season and plenty of starting experience/success is different. They better nail the "LT of the future" pick though.
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I wanted to draft Charles Cross in 22 to replace Tunsil. Cross has started 48 games for the Seahawks, has only had 7 penalties, and would've only cost $35MM for 4 years. The Texans would have saved $100MM and picked up a 1 and 3 had they traded Tunsil in 23, and their OL would not be in the mess it is today.
 
Lucky said:
Knew you would come back once you found something to crow about.

Not good for QBs, so that makes it a bad draft to some. It's been described as a meat & potatoes draft. Not a lot of fluff, just some hard nosed players. Cam Skattebo is the poster boy for this draft.
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If I wanted something to crow about, I could have returned much sooner.
 
Tired of hearing people on this MB talk about this trade as if they were in the locker room or front office. Dude was voted a captain, by all accounts was respected by his teammates & to my knowledge none of y’all are in the locker room…so please quit talking about this trade being about “changing culture” & about him being “lazy” etc…& Demeco wanting “leaders” etc.

It was most likely due to them understanding that they didn’t wanna give him a new record setting contract ( he no doubt was likely to seek) with the likes of Sting, CJ and WAJ contracts coming up. And if you followed the NE pats over the last 20 year or so while NC was there, it was common for them to trade or release a guy 1-2 years earlier than he was thought to be finished. You see that here with the Tunsil trade.
 
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Mr teX said:
It was most likely due to them understanding that they didn’t wanna give him a new record setting contract
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One of the reasons the Texans did not want to give Tunsil a new contract was that he did not play up to his contract last season. Laremy's play did factor into this trade. If the guy had played great, Caserio would have found a way to keep him.
 
Mr teX said:
Tired of hearing people on this MB talk about this trade as if they were in the locker room or front office.
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It's nothing new here. There has been an active Tunsil trade element for quite a while. And many are just re-tweeting posts from national writers, bloggers, analysts, or whatever you want to call them. I'm not saying they are right. Just that there can be a wide range of possibilities as to why Tunsil was dealt. Including yours.
 
I am not concerned about the offensive line.

In 2023 Caserio was able to trade and work the waiver wire to put together a patched up group. That group proved to be better than our injured starters that returned this year.

If Caserio did it once he can do it again.
 
Mr teX said:
Tired of hearing people on this MB talk about this trade as if they were in the locker room or front office. Dude was voted a captain, by all accounts was respected by his teammates & to my knowledge none of y’all are in the locker room…so please quit talking about this trade being about “changing culture” & about him being “lazy” etc…& Demeco wanting “leaders” etc.

It was most likely due to them understanding that they didn’t wanna give him a new record setting contract ( he no doubt was likely to seek) with the likes of Sting, CJ and WAJ contracts coming up. And if you followed the NE pats over the last 20 year or so while NC was there, it was common for them to trade or release a guy 1-2 years earlier than he was thought to be finished. You see that here with the Tunsil trade.
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Yep or...
They were trying to change culture and he was lazy and gave up too many silly penalties; wasn't a team leader and was the only lineman who had problems with the center calling the play ...
 
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