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Tunsil dealt to Washington

JB said:
Even if that's true (PFR shows him with 13) that's less than 1 per game. Fewer penalty yards given up than most people think. And only 2 holding calls all year. Be damn fortunate to have that few going forward. And of LT's 13(?) false starts, how many came after Scruggs was no longer the center? 2?
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Yep, I dont get why fans never appreciated this level of play. It seems like they were happy with the Julian Davenport level of play.
 
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Errant Hothy said:
And soft as Charmin in the run game, and never saw him pulling guys off of CJ after a sack. I'll take demeanor over technically ability any day of the week when it comes to OL play.
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Davenport, the LT from the Vikes that retired during camp had demeanor. When are the Texans going to get a LG and now a LT that doesn't suck? Cant wait for the Howard/Scruggs LT/LG combo.
 
steelbtexan said:
Just realize why this trade was made, in the 2026 offseason CJ/WA/Hunter are FA's that need to be re-signed.

It's a smart move but for everybody cheering on this move, just remember that you were some of the same posters that were cheering on the Duane Brown trade and we saw how that turned out.
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Mr teX said:
Some are rejoicing…I’m on the fence u til I see how this line shakes out next year.

We were all glad when the team moved on from the Fulton, Martin and Mancz o-line group, then Scharping, Britt & Green said hold my beer.
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austins23 said:
wasn't that trade during the slick rick and OB era? Much more faith in Demeco and Nick.
look at my post about 3 or 4 above, it will show you what Demeco thought of #78
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Tunsil is still one of the best tackles in the game, and now protects second-year sensation Jayden Daniels. Meanwhile, the Texans have no clear answer on the left side, although they could decide to move Tytus Howard out from guard, while Blake Fisher remains at right tackle.

Either way, Houston allowed 54 sacks in 2024, with only the Chicago Bears and Cleveland Browns giving up more. In the AFC divisional round, quarterback C.J. Stroud was sacked eight times.

For Washington, landing Tunsil is a coup. For Houston, the trade could prove a disaster.

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Houston Texans 2025 starting LT Tytus Howard: How do you like those apples folks ?
 
Errant Hothy said:
And soft as Charmin in the run game, and never saw him pulling guys off of CJ after a sack. I'll take demeanor over technically ability any day of the week when it comes to OL play.
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Will you say that after CJ gets blindsided and knocked out for a few games?

Knock on wood it doesn't happen
 
steelbtexan said:
Just realize why this trade was made, in the 2026 offseason CJ/WA/Hunter are FA's that need to be re-signed.

It's a smart move but for everybody cheering on this move, just remember that you were some of the same posters that were cheering on the Duane Brown trade and we saw how that turned out.
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That’s only because the trade happened under Arse Face. We now have a competent Front Office, and HC.
 
Errant Hothy said:
Probably, and will also say it when a better executed run block springs an RB for a big gain, or the left side isn't fooled like a toddler by a simple stunt
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You were snoozing when Tunsil's block sprung Mixon for a TD or just chose to ignore it because it didn't fit your agenda?
 
JB said:
You were snoozing when Tunsil's block sprung Mixon for a TD or just chose to ignore it because it didn't fit your agenda?
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Is one block enough for you?

And no, it was a good block, but I expect more of them from my "elite", "top of the market" LT.

I also expect him to be the leader of the most physical unit on the team. Can you honestly say Tunsil was that?
 
Errant Hothy said:
In 1 on 1 pass blocking he is borderline elite, every other single aspect of Oline play he is below average.

Really think this comes down to attitude and future $ concerns
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This just in, most LT's aren't great run blockers.

What other aspects are you talking about? Not being a team player? The players voted him team captai for a reason. They disagree with you. This was strictly a cap move and a move I wouldn't have made until next offseason, because I would've tried to draft Simmons/Banks/Conerly etc... and got them experience this yr then moved them to LT in 2026. Caserio/Ryans/Caley decided to go ahead and roll the dice this yr and I understand their reasoning even though I disagree with it.

I'm looking forward to seeing what they do with the cap space.
 
Tunsil was excellent in 2023! Before that, his play in Houston, IMO, was pretty good but not special... Then, last year, he was horrible! I don't care what the stats say. I spent a lot of time watching the OLine play last season, and he played very poorly! I would argue he is the most widely overrated NFL player since Safety Roy Williams. Good for Nick for taking advantage of the rest of the NFL's failed understanding of Tunsil!
 
steelbtexan said:
Shouldn't the Texans try to be more like them?

Remember how much I liked Coleman in last yrs draft?

I'm looking forward to seeing how Tunsil performs with a competent LG next to hi.
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Think they’re almost exactly like the Texans but with hindsight.
 
Mangler said:
That’s only because the trade happened under Arse Face. We now have a competent Front Office, and HC.
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We're gonna find out, so far I would say Caserio has been terrible when it comes to drafting OL. Hopefully that's because he was drafting for 3 different systems and now Caserio/Caley/Popovich are all on the same page.
 
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steelbtexan said:
This just in, most LT's aren't great run blockers.

What other aspects are you talking about? Not being a team player? The players voted him team captai for a reason. They disagree with you. This was strictly a cap move and a move I wouldn't have made until next offseason, because I would've tried to draft Simmons/Banks/Conerly etc... and got them experience this yr then moved them to LT in 2026. Caserio/Ryans/Caley decided to go ahead and roll the dice this yr and I understand their reasoning even though I disagree with it.

I'm looking forward to seeing what they do with the cap space.
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Sorry but I find the whole "they voted him Captain" argument to be disingenuous. Howard and Tunsil were the only vets/long term Texans in the room and I'd bet money nobody else was even discussed about being a captain.

Also if he's such a leader and his teammates listen to him so well, then doesn't he shoulder some of the blame for the Olines lack luster play during the 24 season? I mean he was voted their leader, and yet seemingly failed to led.
 
The rest of the story is what is going to be interesting to me. I know Nick did not make this move without having his left tackle in his mind. Whom that is is the question mark for me. Let's remember that Josh Simmons and Josh Conerly are in range of 25.
 
Errant Hothy said:
Sorry but I find the whole "they voted him Captain" argument to be disingenuous. Howard and Tunsil were the only vets/long term Texans in the room and I'd bet money nobody else was even discussed about being a captain.

Also if he's such a leader and his teammates listen to him so well, then doesn't he shoulder some of the blame for the Olines lack luster play during the 24 season? I mean he was voted their leader, and yet seemingly failed to led.
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He was voted team captain because he was respected in the lockerroom.

What would you have liked him to do to shoulder the blame?
 
badboy said:
The rest of the story is what is going to be interesting to me. I know Nick did not make this move without having his left tackle in his mind. Whom that is is the question mark for me. Let's remember that Josh Simmons and Josh Conerly are in range of 25.
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This, and the fact that Tunsil will want a new deal, and we all know he knows exactly what the top LTs are getting paid.

Would not be shocked if he held out till he got an extension.
 
steelbtexan said:
He was voted team captain because he was respected in the lockerroom.

What would you have liked him to do to shoulder the blame?
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Howard voted for him because he thinks Laramie got him more money. Patterson and Fisher are newbies keeping their mouths shut. Mason didn't care about anything. Stroud no matter what he said in front of a camera, in my mind could not be happy with any of his offensive line.
 
Errant Hothy said:
Is one block enough for you?

And no, it was a good block, but I expect more of them from my "elite", "top of the market" LT.

I also expect him to be the leader of the most physical unit on the team. Can you honestly say Tunsil was that?
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I think he was better than you give him credit for. He had absolute trash playing next to him all year.

It's hard to soar with the eagles when you're surrounded by turkeys as the story goes. Joe Thomas would have appeared to be a poor run blocker with the talent and scheme Tunsil had to deal with last year
 
steelbtexan said:
He was voted team captain because he was respected in the lockerroom.

What would you have liked him to do to shoulder the blame?
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Sorry agree to disagree, I don't think I'll ever believe he wasn't made captain by default.

Shoulder the blame for the lack of the improvement amongst the Oline? I don't know, do what a captain/leader is supposed to do and help improve the unit.

You can't say he is respected in the locker room at the same time as saying he doesn't bare any responsibility for his position unit's lack of performance and improvement.
 
I'm pretty stunned by how little they got in draft value. Separating out the player from the trade value, I'm absolutely surprised that the meager draft pick value was the best they could do amongst all the teams in the NFL. Again I get that Tunsil wasn't a model citizen, struggled at run blocking, and was a penalty machine... but at the end of the day an all-star LT has some intrinsic value.

Putting it into 2025 draft value (1 year later = 1 round higher): It's basically a 3rd, a 5th, and 3rd to a 4th. My issue if that a "fair trade" should go both ways, so where is an all-star LT that we could get for that value??? Hell raise it up by a pick, where can you find an all-star LT with a 2nd, a 4th, and a 4th.
 
steelbtexan said:
This will be a bad mistake.
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I agree that trusting Howard as the starting LT would be a mistake! My point is that Fisher shouldn't be bumped from RT. Howard should be better on the left side than the right, based on his knee situation. Howard was embarrassingly bad last season. I wouldn't trust him either, but there may be reason to hope that (should he have to play for us next season) he may look better at LT than he did at RT... It sure couldn't look worse!
 
JB said:
I think he was better than you give him credit for. He had absolute trash playing next to him all year.

It's hard to soar with the eagles when you're surrounded by turkeys as the story goes. Joe Thomas would have appeared to be a poor run blocker with the talent and scheme Tunsil had to deal with last year
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Maybe, but he's still the only "elite" LT to be traded away from two franchises. There is a reason and I don't think it's all that hard to figure out.
 
dalemurphy said:
I agree that trusting Howard as the starting LT would be a mistake! My point is that Fisher shouldn't be bumped from RT. Howard should be better on the left side than the right, based on his knee situation. Howard was embarrassingly bad last season. I wouldn't trust him either, but there may be reason to hope that (should he have to play for us next season) he may look better at LT than he did at RT... It sure couldn't look worse!
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Oh, it can look worse, Davenport worse.
 
Errant Hothy said:
Maybe, but he's still the only "elite" LT to be traded away from two franchises. There is a reason and I don't think it's all that hard to figure out.
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He was playing LG when he was traded. He only moved to LT when the starting LT was injured. But even so a rebuilding franchise that can get two 1sts and a 2nd should always make that trade.
 
IDEXAN said:
How was this even adequate compensation for a franchises so called blind-side tackle ?
And the most valuable pick is in 2026, and it's only a second round pick.
You may hate Tunsil's guts and you are glad he's gone, no matter it's business, and it is not enough !
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Tunsil is going to be 31 going into this season.

Trent Williams got a 3rd and a 5th and is a better player.
 
cland said:
I'm pretty stunned by how little they got in draft value. Separating out the player from the trade value, I'm absolutely surprised that the meager draft pick value was the best they could do amongst all the teams in the NFL. Again I get that Tunsil wasn't a model citizen, struggled at run blocking, and was a penalty machine... but at the end of the day an all-star LT has some intrinsic value.

Putting it into 2025 draft value (1 year later = 1 round higher): It's basically a 3rd, a 5th, and 3rd to a 4th. My issue if that a "fair trade" should go both ways, so where is an all-star LT that we could get for that value??? Hell raise it up by a pick, where can you find an all-star LT with a 2nd, a 4th, and a 4th.
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Well, it was also getting a giant contract of a diminishing player off the books... and, adding mid round picks in 2026 is signaling a thoughtful plan to manage the cap and personnel in the midst of the Stroud extension and some of these other extensions of players like Stingley, Anderson.... I would add that a bundle of mid round picks, while not sexy, is a significant draft haul.
 
cland said:
I'm pretty stunned by how little they got in draft value. Separating out the player from the trade value, I'm absolutely surprised that the meager draft pick value was the best they could do amongst all the teams in the NFL. Again I get that Tunsil wasn't a model citizen, struggled at run blocking, and was a penalty machine... but at the end of the day an all-star LT has some intrinsic value.

Putting it into 2025 draft value (1 year later = 1 round higher): It's basically a 3rd, a 5th, and 3rd to a 4th. My issue if that a "fair trade" should go both ways, so where is an all-star LT that we could get for that value??? Hell raise it up by a pick, where can you find an all-star LT with a 2nd, a 4th, and a 4th.
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The big part of this deal was freeing up money to re-sign Stingley/CJ/WA. There's a lot of value in that. You can thank David from the place we cant talk about around these parts.
 
dalemurphy said:
Well, it was also getting a giant contract of a diminishing player off the books... and, adding mid round picks in 2026 is signaling a thoughtful plan to manage the cap and personnel in the midst of the Stroud extension and some of these other extensions of players like Stingley, Anderson.... I would add that a bundle of mid round picks, while not sexy, is a significant draft haul.
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Cap relief was the driving focus of the trade. Not just for 2025 but mainly for 2026 and beyond. Don't be surprised to see Howard moved also if not before the season then by the trade deadline
 
Slightly surprised they ditched Tunsil before Howard, but ultimately not massively disheartened.

This o-line obviously needs massive revamping and I don't think it's going to all happen in one season. Tunsil is aging and even the biggest Tunsil supporters have to admit his play has declined for two seasons in a row now. He's still a great pass blocker but he was more dominant before and his penalty issues are worsening rather than improving.

I can understand the vision because at his age and what he'd want for his next contract it makes the most sense to get the most value for him now. He was simply never going to be a long term solution.

I also disagree with people saying the draft compensation was poor. That feels like a pretty good package for someone at his age who like I said has been declining.
 
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