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Tunsil dealt to Washington

Mr teX said:
Tired of hearing people on this MB talk about this trade as if they were in the locker room or front office. Dude was voted a captain, by all accounts was respected by his teammates & to my knowledge none of y’all are in the locker room…so please quit talking about this trade being about “changing culture” & about him being “lazy” etc…& Demeco wanting “leaders” etc.

It was most likely due to them understanding that they didn’t wanna give him a new record setting contract ( he no doubt was likely to seek) with the likes of Sting, CJ and WAJ contracts coming up. And if you followed the NE pats over the last 20 year or so while NC was there, it was common for them to trade or release a guy 1-2 years earlier than he was thought to be finished. You see that here with the Tunsil trade.
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I don't have to be in the lockerroom to read articles about Tunsil not taking accountability for the o-lines issues (his), to notice that he doesn't practice, to see that he likes to shift blame, and to acknowledge that he is more interested in his Beyoncé signed shoes than he is winning a game.

He was voted a team captain because he is pretty good at his job and a likeable character in the lockerroom. But if the coaching staff is going to crack down on the o-line, having a team captain LT who, although good, operates under his own rules, it is only detrimental to the team in the long run.

Good trade, for both he and the team.
 
It is often hard for people to accept loss when loved ones pass on to another team. I am hoping that our GM could be aware of other left tackles that could be released between now and the end of next month.

It appears that the Bears have completed their offensive line and probably will not take Banks at 10 as many analysts have suggested. Hopefully that will push players down to us.

Would it not be interesting if Nick did not choose a tackle or guard in the first two rounds? Perhaps he decides to move Fisher to left tackle and Howard back to RT or select a right tackle in round 3? Oregon's Ajani Cornelius looked good and Stroud has told us that he is better on the run.

Our new fight song could be QB on the Run! A spin off the old song Band on the Run.
 
theCATALYST said:
I don't have to be in the lockerroom to read articles about Tunsil not taking accountability for the o-lines issues (his), to notice that he doesn't practice, to see that he likes to shift blame, and to acknowledge that he is more interested in his Beyoncé signed shoes than he is winning a game.

He was voted a team captain because he is pretty good at his job and a likeable character in the lockerroom. But if the coaching staff is going to crack down on the o-line, having a team captain LT who, although good, operates under his own rules, it is only detrimental to the team in the long run.

Good trade, for both he and the team.
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I like your concept of doing research as well as watching the game. Do you think that will ever catch on?
 
Lazy, unmotivated...expect by money, doesn't have a SWARM mindset, half a player, culture cancer, selfish, practices when he wants, poor to no leadership skills, sets a low bar.... I could go on.

Get out of here with this crapola like we don't know what's going on. Come on guys. This is like well, the sky could be green...it's all in how you see it stuff.

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I will also add that my esteem for Demeco has increased exponentially the last few weeks. It's like the Grinch's heart, when it suddenly grew ten times it's size. DeMeco is my ride or die HC for this team.

First getting rid of his buddy Bobby. Then getting rid of the culture cancer Tunsil. I would strongly argue that those two were BY FAR the two biggest issues holding this offense back.

DeMeco isn't fooling around and he's laying down the standards and dude is showing some real gonads. You're going to SWARM here or you are getting a one-way ticket to Splittsville. DeMeco is the next Mike Tomlin. Set the bar high as hell and hold guys accountable. And Meco and Nick seem to be getting totally in alignment on what they are looking for. What a refreshing change!

Barring the unforseen (major injuries, etc), this offense is going to look leagues better...especially by 2026, but even in 25...I see significant improvement.

This is my happiest day as a Texans fan since the hiring of DeMeco.
 
Lucky said:
One of the reasons the Texans did not want to give Tunsil a new contract was that he did not play up to his contract last season. Laremy's play did factor into this trade. If the guy had played great, Caserio would have found a way to keep him.
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I never said it didn't...Its just funny to me the thinking of some in here. The same people talking about wanting to trade him b/c he's lazy & this and that .......those are the same 1's in here thinking we should've gotten more for him in this trade b/c he's a "Franchise LT"....can't have it both ways. He's either good enough to fetch more in a trade, or we got the value for him that we should've gotten for him based on all of the drawbacks listed in here.

As i said, i'll be on the fence about this trade until i see what this line shapes up to be. I have faith in NC to get it right, but no matter how you feel about Tunsil, i'm not gonna rejoice about this trade b/c the 1 thing that is indisputable at this point is our o-line group overall just got weaker.
 
Mr teX said:
I never said it didn't...Its just funny to me the thinking of some in here. The same people talking about wanting to trade him b/c he's lazy & this and that .......those are the same 1's in here thinking we should've gotten more for him in this trade b/c he's a "Franchise LT"....can't have it both ways. He's either good enough to fetch more in a trade, or we got the value for him that we should've gotten for him based on all of the drawbacks listed in here.

As i said, i'll be on the fence about this trade until i see what this line shapes up to be. I have faith in NC to get it right, but no matter how you feel about Tunsil, i'm not gonna rejoice about this trade b/c the 1 thing that is indisputable at this point is our o-line group overall just got weaker.
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Why could not T be worth more than we got and still bring what we got? Good negotiators do not always pay what the seller wants to receive. I suggest you watch American Pickers.
 
Mr teX said:
I never said it didn't...Its just funny to me the thinking of some in here. The same people talking about wanting to trade him b/c he's lazy & this and that .......those are the same 1's in here thinking we should've gotten more for him in this trade b/c he's a "Franchise LT"....can't have it both ways. He's either good enough to fetch more in a trade, or we got the value for him that we should've gotten for him based on all of the drawbacks listed in here.

As i said, i'll be on the fence about this trade until i see what this line shapes up to be. I have faith in NC to get it right, but no matter how you feel about Tunsil, i'm not gonna rejoice about this trade b/c the 1 thing that is indisputable at this point is our o-line group overall just got weaker.
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Regarding the trade value, we got fair value for what he is. Half a damn player. Maybe others have complained, but not me. I would have taken less just to remove the culture cancer. A stick of chewing gum would have worked ok for me. And an underrated part of the trade is getting Washington to swallow the entirety of his contract. That's huge and he comes entirely off the books. Perfectly happy over here.

Now, with the three weakest links on this line jettisoned, we can begin rebuilding and reimagining this o-line and building with an eye on SWARM players. You're either going to kick some ass and be SWARM, or you'll be traded or cut.

Loving it more every second.
 
Mr teX said:
I never said it didn't...Its just funny to me the thinking of some in here. The same people talking about wanting to trade him b/c he's lazy & this and that .......those are the same 1's in here thinking we should've gotten more for him in this trade b/c he's a "Franchise LT"....can't have it both ways. He's either good enough to fetch more in a trade, or we got the value for him that we should've gotten for him based on all of the drawbacks listed in here.

As i said, i'll be on the fence about this trade until i see what this line shapes up to be. I have faith in NC to get it right, but no matter how you feel about Tunsil, i'm not gonna rejoice about this trade b/c the 1 thing that is indisputable at this point is our o-line group overall just got weaker.
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Well, we don't know what the plan is. I would feel much better about the trade if I knew how the Texans plan to replace Tunsil is. Or I might feel worse. I'll let you know when I find out what the plan is.
 
thunderkyss said:
I'm one who thinks we should have gotten more for him... a 2025 2nd & a 2026 3rd is what I thought we got when the trade was first announced.

But I'm not giddy he's been traded. Neither am I wrought. It's business.
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The last sentence is where I'm at.

Tunsil is gone because he treats the NFL like it's the billion dollar business that it is. Tunsil was always a businessman 1st.
 
https://www.si.com/nfl/2025-nfl-free-agency-day-1-winners-losers-patriots-giants

• The second question is what happened with Tunsil that made him expendable.

Tunsil, to be clear, is well-liked in the Texans’ building. That said, he isn’t a tone-setter, and the offensive line room in Houston last year went the wrong way, becoming borderline toxic, which adds context to the trade of Kenyon Green and the release of Shaq Mason. That’s part of why the Texans figured they probably wouldn’t give him a third top-of-the-market extension in 2026 after having paid him in ’20 (three years, $66 million) and again in ’23 (three years, $75 million).

So with his 31st birthday in August, Houston spent the past few weeks quietly measuring trade interest in Tunsil, and eventually found the right deal—the price they received for the 10-year vet is roughly the equivalent of a late first-round pick in the form of the aforementioned swap of the tackle and a fourth-round pick for a third- and seventh- round selections this year, and second- and fourth-rounders in ’26.

That gives them resources to find Tunsil’s replacement, if it’s not someone on the roster such as Tytus Howard or Blake Fisher. Will they be able to get a suitable one? How this trade looks in five years rides on it.

And while we’re on the big picture, there’s an element of that in this move for the Texans. DeMeco Ryans has kind of makeup he wants on his defense now, with young stars such as Will Anderson Jr. and Derek Stingley Jr. carrying the flag. He’s still trying to find it on offense, and the hope is turning over the roster some on that side—and finding new leaders—helps.

That, by the way, doesn’t mean the Commanders are barking up the wrong tree here. Just as the Texans are betting on their ability to find new pieces for their line, Washington is gambling on its culture with this move, and that putting Tunsil in a group with guys such as Daniels and McLaurin will get the best out of him. Remember, the sorts of questions that exist here on Tunsil were once there on Trent Williams. Peters was part of the group that landed him as a result in San Francisco five years ago, and we know how that turned out.
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Texas Punishers said:
Couldn't tell you how many posts ive made regarding Tunsil and his penalties. Thank god I dont have to no more. Dont know how some of you aren't happy
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Writer's cramp should lessen. I need to come up with a new Texans starter to create trades and irritate others. Leading candidates so far, Jalen Petrie.
 
It's entirely possible that this turns into a win-win. I don't like Tunsil very much but the talent is undeniable. Something about him and Houston never quite seemed to connect and yeah, to me he does seem more concerned with maximizing his salary than trying to push his play to where nearly everyone thinks he should be capable of playing. I always hear how he's a great player but he's never looked like one to me. Not completely. Maybe we turn what we got for him into a replacement that costs less and lets us lock up some of our young talent for longer. Maybe Washington is closer than we are and being there makes him suddenly think he's got a better chance to end his career on a high note and walk away with a ring (Does he already have one?). I don't know but it's possible that Tunsil is a better fit for them at his age than he was for us right now and that's OK. As long as I don't have to watch him jump offsides anymore in a Texans uniform at a critical moment I'm pleased.
 
leebigeztx said:
You can't be that good and be lazy. I would never call a pro bowl caliber nfl player lazy. That's impossible
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I wouldn't call Lawrence Taylor lazy. He put in a lot of effort during practice. Practicing golf, that is. Football practice? No so much.
 
Hervoyel said:
Maybe Washington is closer than we are and being there makes him suddenly think he's got a better chance to end his career on a high note and walk away with a ring (Does he already have one?).
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Two rings, actually.
 
badboy said:
Writer's cramp should lessen. I need to come up with a new Texans starter to create trades and irritate others. Leading candidates so far, Jalen Petrie.
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Pitre is a walking completion and a poor tackler. They seem to like the person, but he hasn't been good. 0 is just as bad going away from the ball too. Also a walking completion.
 
Texian said:
I wanted to draft Charles Cross in 22 to replace Tunsil. Cross has started 48 games for the Seahawks, has only had 7 penalties, and would've only cost $35MM for 4 years. The Texans would have saved $100MM and picked up a 1 and 3 had they traded Tunsil in 23, and their OL would not be in the mess it is today.
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Welcome back Texian. Always enjoyed your posts.
 
leebigeztx said:
Pitre is a walking completion and a poor tackler. They seem to like the person, but he hasn't been good. 0 is just as bad going away from the ball too. Also a walking completion.
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Hehe, you must not have watched in 2024, that's the deep safety 2023 Pitre that you're describing. I thought when Pitre was playing as the WLB/big nickel he was a difference maker and brought some grit to the team. Now he's never going to be a man coverage type of guy, but his ability to get into the backfield with timing is quite good.
 
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cland said:
Hehe, you must not have watched in 2024, that's the deep safety 2023 Pitre that you're describing. I though when Pitre was playing as the WLB/big nickel he was a difference maker and brought some grit to the team. Now he's never going to be a man coverage type of guy, but his ability to get into the backfield with timing is quite good.
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Agree I think Pitre was excellent at nickle.

Got a lot of praise in the role from a lot of coaches and analyst types. Any of the tape breakdowns I watched often had noted him as difference maker - even if it was a breakdown of an opposing offense.

That said leebigeztx seems to have a thing about expecting safeties and linebackers to man cover wide receivers.
 
cland said:
Hehe, you must not have watched in 2024, that's the deep safety 2023 Pitre that you're describing. I though when Pitre was playing as the WLB/big nickel he was a difference maker and brought some grit to the team. Now he's never going to be a man coverage type of guy, but his ability to get into the backfield with timing is quite good.
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Still wound up in man coverage against WR1 way too often, and never won those reps.

Not sure that this was all Pitre's fault, some blame has to go to the scheme.
 
Sweech said:
Agree I think Pitre was excellent at nickle.

Got a lot of praise in the role from a lot of coaches and analyst types. Any of the tape breakdowns I watched often had noted him as difference maker - even if it was a breakdown of an opposing offense.

That said leebigeztx seems to have a thing about expecting safeties and linebackers to man cover wide receivers.
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In the modern, spread, nfl offense, your back 7 have to be able to cover. Between 0 and Pitre, teams will find and hunt those. 0 had St Brown and arms length from him and we've seen Pitre play traffic/chase. Nfl operate in margins and that can be the difference.
 
leebigeztx said:
In the modern, spread, nfl offense, your back 7 have to be able to cover. Between 0 and Pitre, teams will find and hunt those. 0 had St Brown and arms length from him and we've seen Pitre play traffic/chase. Nfl operate in margins and that can be the difference.
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I don’t disagree but I do think you’re being quite myopic to your own team and unfair.

St Brown is a star player in this league. He’s going to get his. Ragging that your linebackers can’t cover star receivers is to be blunt, foolish. You could have the best coverage linebacker in the entire league and they’ll still give up some of those catches. Fact is the best corners give them up too.

They could be better in coverage for sure but it feels like this is quite nit picky.
 
Sweech said:
I don’t disagree but I do think you’re being quite myopic to your own team and unfair.

St Brown is a star player in this league. He’s going to get his. Ragging that your linebackers can’t cover star receivers is to be blunt, foolish. You could have the best coverage linebacker in the entire league and they’ll still give up some of those catches. Fact is the best corners give them up too.

They could be better in coverage for sure but it feels like this is quite nit picky.
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Tell me how Kelce was being lost in coverage damn near every down in the playoffs, yet against a better coverage team he did nothing! It's hard to hide a guy who plays in the middle of the field. You can protect a corner with a safety/nickel. You remember the other nb that basically Kirk kept torching in 23?Why you think Philly just gave the LB 15 per? Why you think Fred Wsrner gets paid what he do . When you have the chance, Google highest rated lbs in coverage.
 
leebigeztx said:
Tell me how Kelce was being lost in coverage damn near every down in the playoffs, yet against a better coverage team he did nothing! It's hard to hide a guy who plays in the middle of the field. You can protect a corner with a safety/nickel. You remember the other nb that basically Kirk kept torching in 23?Why you think Philly just gave the LB 15 per? Why you think Fred Wsrner gets paid what he do . When you have the chance, Google highest rated lbs in coverage.
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Kelce came from coverage breakdowns and from not getting home quick enough.

I could also show you a reel of Baun and of Warner being beaten in coverage but that’s not really the point. Those guys are good coverage players but I’m sure if they were on our team you’d complain about them too. I can also show you that same defense being beaten in coverage in different games. Heck they were one of the worst coverage units a year before and there’s no saying they stay consistent. Jets we’re great two years ago and then stank last season.

This is what I mean by looking at things myopically. It’s comparing one game and deciding everything based on that.
 
Sweech said:
Kelce came from coverage breakdowns and from not getting home quick enough.

I could also show you a reel of Baun and of Warner being beaten in coverage but that’s not really the point. Those guys are good coverage players but I’m sure if they were on our team you’d complain about them too. I can also show you that same defense being beaten in coverage in different games. Heck they were one of the worst coverage units a year before and there’s no saying they stay consistent. Jets we’re great two years ago and then stank last season.

This is what I mean by looking at things myopically. It’s comparing one game and deciding everything based on that.
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Just like the interior oline is a problem, the coverage in the middle is a problem. Hell, the Texans have never had a good coverage lb and it's always been a problem.
 
leebigeztx said:
Just like the interior oline is a problem, the coverage in the middle is a problem. Hell, the Texans have never had a good coverage lb and it's always been a problem.
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I agree, in the sense that it's all about match ups, but it's not like teams play all of their back 7 in man. There isn't a LB in the league that can go man-to-man against St Brown, or any similar receiver. The truth is that the OCs are trying to develop match-up issues and DCs are trying to prevent them--sometimes the OC wins. The Texans rated 6th in the league against the pass... and that was with a gimpy offense on the other side of the ball.
 
Emmanwori is the answer to TEs and midfield coverage but can we ignore left tackle and guard? If our offensive line is set then I would say yes. However, if Nick does what I suggested and drafts Simmons or Conerly with 25 and then trades up 58 76 and 89 for 1.28 to get Donovan Jackson then that's a no-go. Also, I could see in the trade up scenario drafting both Josh's for those two positions.
 
badboy said:
Emmanwori is the answer to TEs and midfield coverage but can we ignore left tackle and guard? If our offensive line is set then I would say yes. However, if Nick does what I suggested and drafts Simmons or Conerly with 25 and then trades up 58 76 and 89 for 1.28 to get Donovan Jackson then that's a no-go. Also, I could see in the trade up scenario drafting both Josh's for those two positions.
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I think NE would push Pitre off the field. Pitre had 12 missed tackles and allowed a passer rating of 122. 0 is just as bad.
 
badboy said:
Emmanwori is the answer to TEs and midfield coverage but can we ignore left tackle and guard? If our offensive line is set then I would say yes. However, if Nick does what I suggested and drafts Simmons or Conerly with 25 and then trades up 58 76 and 89 for 1.28 to get Donovan Jackson then that's a no-go. Also, I could see in the trade up scenario drafting both Josh's for those two positions.
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I think with the addition of CJGJ safety is off the top need board.
 
Hervoyel said:
It's entirely possible that this turns into a win-win. I don't like Tunsil very much but the talent is undeniable. Something about him and Houston never quite seemed to connect and yeah, to me he does seem more concerned with maximizing his salary than trying to push his play to where nearly everyone thinks he should be capable of playing. I always hear how he's a great player but he's never looked like one to me. Not completely. Maybe we turn what we got for him into a replacement that costs less and lets us lock up some of our young talent for longer. Maybe Washington is closer than we are and being there makes him suddenly think he's got a better chance to end his career on a high note and walk away with a ring (Does he already have one?). I don't know but it's possible that Tunsil is a better fit for them at his age than he was for us right now and that's OK. As long as I don't have to watch him jump offsides anymore in a Texans uniform at a critical moment I'm pleased.
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So posters, not just you are setting the narrative that if Tunsil plays at a high level for the Redskins it's because he cared more in Washington? It couldn't be because he had to play next to guys like Green/Scharping or had centers like Justin Britt/Nick Martin/Juice Scruggs playing like crap and making terrible OL calls.

Out of the 13 false starts because of BS refs he got 5 in one game. Plus he had to deal with Scruggs dumba--. After Patterson got to play C, the false starts stopped. Even at that 8 false starts aren't that many in 16 games. I'll bet you with better talent around him on the Redskins Tunsil plays very well next yr. Also I'll bet you that some posters here will continue to live in denial. (Not you)
 
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