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NitroGSXR said:
JB’s link isn’t dated. I’ll post one that has a date and another link for good measure. Both say he’s the 5th highest. Sorry man.

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Point still remains, he was the highest paid when he signed that contract. Three years later everyone knew some other left tackle will get paid more.
 
NitroGSXR said:
Three years later? Tunsil signed his contract in march of 2023.

Keep spinning though.
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You must be lost.

Laremy Tunsil signed a 3 year , $66,000,000 contract with the Houston Texans, including $13,000,000 signing bonus, $50,000,000 guaranteed, and an average annual salary of $22,000,000..



This was back in 2020-2023.


This is his second contract with us. But hey good freaking try.

Keep spinning. What the bleep are you talking about.


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Laremy Tunsil signed a 3 year, $75,000,000 contract with the Houston Texans, including $60,000,000 guaranteed, and an average annual salary of $25,000,000. In 2025, Tunsil will earn a base salary of $20,950,000 and a workout bonus of $150,000, while carrying a cap hit of $21,350,000 and a...
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Texansballer74 said:
You must be lost.

Laremy Tunsil signed a 3 year , $66,000,000 contract with the Houston Texans, including $13,000,000 signing bonus, $50,000,000 guaranteed, and an average annual salary of $22,000,000..



This was back in 2020-2023.


This is his second contract with us. But hey good freaking try.

Keep spinning. What the bleep are you talking about.


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Laremy Tunsil | NFL Contracts & Salaries | Spotrac.com

Laremy Tunsil signed a 3 year, $75,000,000 contract with the Houston Texans, including $60,000,000 guaranteed, and an average annual salary of $25,000,000. In 2025, Tunsil will earn a base salary of $20,950,000 and a workout bonus of $150,000, while carrying a cap hit of $21,350,000 and a...
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When talking about -that- contract… we are talking about his extension which gave him the 25m and made him the highest paid LT in the league on MARCH in 2023. Not your old 22m annual contract.

Come on man. Quit it.
 
NitroGSXR said:
When talking about -that- contract… we are talking about his extension which gave him the 25m and made him the highest paid LT in the league on MARCH in 2023. Not your old 22m annual contract.

Come on man. Quit it.
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No we’re talking about him being the highest paid or one of the highest paid. Stop cherry picking.
 
I watched the Bills/Jags game the other day and I saw the Bills offensive line just manhandle the Jags. They played super clean, never shot themselves in the foot, acted like they gave a damn in the run game, played physically, and pass-protected their hineys off. PFF has them inside the top 3 lines in the NFL. While PFF is not the end-all be-all, I saw it with my own eyes. And Josh Allen has been sacked TWICE in three games.

Dion Dawkins 69.4 - 2nd round (63rd)
David Edwards 62.5 - 5th rd (169)
Connor McGOvern - 65.8 - 3rd round (90)
O'Cyrus Torrence - 44.3 - 2nd round (59)
Spencer Brown - 63.6 3rd round (93)

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Laremy Tunsil 1st round (13)
Kenyon Green 1st round (15)
Juice Scruggs 2nd round (62)
Shaq Mason 4th round (131)
Tytus Howard 1st round (23)

I couldn't get the PFF grades on the Texans. It was behind a paywall...but from what I understand, the Bills are ranked top three and the Texans are ranked near the bottom of the 32 teams.

I took it one step further and took their draft positions and came up with the average spot that their starters were drafted at. The Bills average o-lineman was drafted number 95 in the draft. The Texans average lineman was drafted 49th. There was one "outlier" in each team that was drafted well later than the rest. If I remove David Edwards at 169 and Mason at 131 and average out the other 4 guys, the Bills average draft spot was 76, and the Texans average draft spot was 28.

In other way to say it is outside of the one outlier, the Bills average offensive lineman is a 3rd round, and the Texans average is a late first. Yet...the results tell a different tale.

Is it drafting poorly?

Is it bad coaching?

Or is it something else...??
 
Porky said:
I watched the Bills/Jags game the other day and I saw the Bills offensive line just manhandle the Jags. They played super clean, never shot themselves in the foot, acted like they gave a damn in the run game, played physically, and pass-protected their hineys off. PFF has them inside the top 3 lines in the NFL. While PFF is not the end-all be-all, I saw it with my own eyes. And Josh Allen has been sacked TWICE in three games.

Dion Dawkins 69.4 - 2nd round (63rd)
David Edwards 62.5 - 5th rd (169)
Connor McGOvern - 65.8 - 3rd round (90)
O'Cyrus Torrence - 44.3 - 2nd round (59)
Spencer Brown - 63.6 3rd round (93)

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Laremy Tunsil 1st round (13)
Kenyon Green 1st round (15)
Juice Scruggs 2nd round (62)
Shaq Mason 4th round (131)
Tytus Howard 1st round (23)

I couldn't get the PFF grades on the Texans. It was behind a paywall...but from what I understand, the Bills are ranked top three and the Texans are ranked near the bottom of the 32 teams.

I took it one step further and took their draft positions and came up with the average spot that their starters were drafted at. The Bills average o-lineman was drafted number 95 in the draft. The Texans average lineman was drafted 49th. There was one "outlier" in each team that was drafted well later than the rest. If I remove David Edwards at 169 and Mason at 131 and average out the other 4 guys, the Bills average draft spot was 76, and the Texans average draft spot was 28.

In other way to say it is outside of the one outlier, the Bills average offensive lineman is a 3rd round, and the Texans average is a late first. Yet...the results tell a different tale.

Is it drafting poorly?

Is it bad coaching?

Or is it something else...??
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Tunsil and Howard were obtained when OB had the wheel…..neither have lived up to their expectations or payday. I know Tunsil is a Pro Bowl LT, but I just don’t see it.

Tunsil just finesses the defender around the pocket….and enjoys success, if CJ was able to locate an open receiver and get the ball out. If for any reason, a receiver isn’t open and CJ has to move in the pocket, then the last place he should go….is left. I can almost guarantee anyone that the defender will immediately disengage, with little to no fight, and redirects their sights on CJ. Tunsil gets lucky if a receiver breaks containment and CJ gets the ball out before he gets sacked. I rarely see Tunsil as a second or third effort kind of blocker….more often than not, Tunsil is done with the play once the DE has disengaged.

As to why he’s so unsuccessful as a run blocker is simple…..he’s not a physical mauler. A LT cannot finesse block in the run game or a gear that sends him to the second level looking to demolish a defender.

And for good measure, I’m a huge proponent of using the passing game to setup the run game….especially when the OL, as a whole, doesn’t have a beast mode to knock snot bubbles out of the defenders.

Did anyone else notice how the Vikings stacked the box with defenders to ensure the Texans would never establish their run game. They noticed the Texans OL couldn’t overcome their alignment regardless of the run or pass. Slowick should’ve switched things up immediately by moving to a quick hit passing game or a few draw plays to get the Vikings out of the box……he never did. I’d would’ve gone to a no-huddle offense to try and keep the wrong defensive package on the field or force the Vikings to burn timeouts. If Slowick incorporated a no-huddle hurry up offense, he must create some legal looking rub routes and all the receivers have to have their hearts in the blocking game once the ball is in the hands of the receiver.
 
chenjy9 said:
When one's career has been defined by false starts, it's not the teammates anymore. It's time to look in the mirror.
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It's like my friend Dale. He has been married six times! And each time the marriage fails because of something she did. At some point dude, have you ever thought you might be the problem?

No personal accountability. Just tell us you screwed up, and you're going to focus on the details and cut way down on the pre-snap issues. Most importantly, tell us you're going to buckle down and start kicking ass and taking names in the run game...and then go out and do it. Your manhood is being debated over here. Man up and show the fans you've got some freaking pride, and quit prancing around like a high school ballerina in a tutu and start swinging your balls around like a mad bull on steroids.
 
Porky said:
It's like my friend Dale. He has been married six times! And each time the marriage fails because of something she did. At some point dude, have you ever thought you might be the problem?

No personal accountability. Just tell us you screwed up, and you're going to focus on the details and cut way down on the pre-snap issues. Most importantly, tell us you're going to buckle down and start kicking ass and taking names in the run game...and then go out and do it. Your manhood is being debated over here. Man up and show the fans you've got some freaking pride, and quit prancing around like a high school ballerina in a tutu and start swinging your balls around like a mad bull on steroids.
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That dog isn’t going to hunt. He’s been in the league for what 8 years now? So that’s wishful thinking on your behalf. He’s never been a beast in the running game. And as he gets older, the little production in that department will start to deteriorate.
 
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Porky said:
It's like my friend Dale. He has been married six times! And each time the marriage fails because of something she did. At some point dude, have you ever thought you might be the problem?

No personal accountability. Just tell us you screwed up, and you're going to focus on the details and cut way down on the pre-snap issues. Most importantly, tell us you're going to buckle down and start kicking ass and taking names in the run game...and then go out and do it. Your manhood is being debated over here. Man up and show the fans you've got some freaking pride, and quit prancing around like a high school ballerina in a tutu and start swinging your balls around like a mad bull on steroids.
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I mean, if he married the same gal 6 times he could have a point.
 
Porky said:
Strausser was run out of Indy and no fan shed a tear. His offensive line looks like a Three stooges episode on repeat. If he doesn’t get these guys to work together, give max effort, and stop the penalties…he needs to be shown the door sooner rather than later.
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Given that the team hired another assistant o-line coach they clearly saw it as an issue last year as I can't think of another NFL team that has a O-line coach and more than one assistant. I think the writing is pretty much on the wall for him at this point. Even if there's some marginal improvement I can't see this o-line doing a complete 180 and going from a dumpster fire to an elite operation so I expect Strausser to be gone.

To me the real question is if one of the assistants gets the job or if they totally clean house and bring in a new o-line coach and new assistant. Probably the better move at this point imo.
 
If I could, my OL fix looks like this:

1. Howard is moved in the 2026 off-season via trade or dumped before 01 June….12M cap hit and 12M saved. A 2025 dump still looks too lopsided…..21M cap hit and 2M saved. Howard may return a RD6 or RD7 at best, but could be released as well.
2. Tunsil is in the same boat contract time wise. Texans could make a move in 2026 before 01 June and take 7.5M cap hit while saving 21M. Tunsil may have some decent value in a trade.
3. Mason’s best dump time is 2026 as well. He must be moved or moved out right after that season or before 01 June. Team would eat 7M in dead cap, but save 7M. Mason may return, like Howard, a RD6 or RD7 in return. Probably just gets cut in the end.
4. I believe the eventual replacement pieces are on the roster, except for LT.
5. I’ve got me eye set on the big but athletic LT from Texas A&M, Trey Zuhn who should be on the board towards the end of RD2 (2025 NFL Draft). He’s solid in the run game and should excel in a ZBS. His Pro Pass chops aren’t that bad either.
6. I want Fisher to start working at RT as an eventual replacement for Howard. I’d make Howard the ST since he actually did a decent job LT the last time he was needed there.
7. I’d like to see Patterson start getting reps at RG to eventually replace Mason. I believe Patterson can get the job done, he just needs the reps to get him back to what he looked like in his first 8 games.
8. I believe Green will get better at LG as the season progresses. This could almost be considered his rookie season, so he’s going to get it.
9. If all the replacement pieces are on the roster with a season or more time on the roster….it could be a nice transition in 2025 or 2026.
10: My OL by 2026 (years veteran):

LT- Zuhn (1)
LG- Green (5th Yr Option)
OC- Scruggs (3)
RG- Patterson (3)
RT- Fisher (2)

Price of the OL would be greatly reduced with production greatly increased. These guys are from schools that ran the ball hard against opposing defenses, which should yield far better results than what the team has been enjoying.
 
The issues on the OL come back to training camp. This offense relies on repetitions and timing. Howard/Tunsil missed basically the entire training camp. Scruggs is starting at a new position and is in year two. Kenyon Green missed all of last season.

I think the Texans are keeping their fingers crossed that the issues will sort itself out with reps. Either due to the resources tied up in the position or lack of confidence in the alternatives.

This team really needs a top tier OL coach but there are only so many Jeff Stoutlands in the league. And they tend to stay where they’re at even when the HC gets fired.
 
Lucky said:
Stunts. Green has no feel for them. And there's no communication between Tunsil and Green. There are plays where Tunsil should have attacked the interior rusher and allowed Green to slide over. You can't bench Tunsil, so Green has to sit.
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This is what I have been trying to say.
 
Porky said:
I watched the Bills/Jags game the other day and I saw the Bills offensive line just manhandle the Jags. They played super clean, never shot themselves in the foot, acted like they gave a damn in the run game, played physically, and pass-protected their hineys off. PFF has them inside the top 3 lines in the NFL. While PFF is not the end-all be-all, I saw it with my own eyes. And Josh Allen has been sacked TWICE in three games.

Dion Dawkins 69.4 - 2nd round (63rd)
David Edwards 62.5 - 5th rd (169)
Connor McGOvern - 65.8 - 3rd round (90)
O'Cyrus Torrence - 44.3 - 2nd round (59)
Spencer Brown - 63.6 3rd round (93)

vs.

Laremy Tunsil 1st round (13)
Kenyon Green 1st round (15)
Juice Scruggs 2nd round (62)
Shaq Mason 4th round (131)
Tytus Howard 1st round (23)

I couldn't get the PFF grades on the Texans. It was behind a paywall...but from what I understand, the Bills are ranked top three and the Texans are ranked near the bottom of the 32 teams.

I took it one step further and took their draft positions and came up with the average spot that their starters were drafted at. The Bills average o-lineman was drafted number 95 in the draft. The Texans average lineman was drafted 49th. There was one "outlier" in each team that was drafted well later than the rest. If I remove David Edwards at 169 and Mason at 131 and average out the other 4 guys, the Bills average draft spot was 76, and the Texans average draft spot was 28.

In other way to say it is outside of the one outlier, the Bills average offensive lineman is a 3rd round, and the Texans average is a late first. Yet...the results tell a different tale.

Is it drafting poorly?

Is it bad coaching?

Or is it something else...??
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I would love to see the Texans Offensive Line Coach up at the podium answering some questions, because he has some to answer. I was willing to give the guy a pass for the nonsense last year because of all the injuries. But this year, if this does shape up in a hurry his ass needs to be out the door.

I was always doubtful of the O line coach because when he was hired, he had never coached an outside zone blocking scheme before in his career. Nothing that has happened with the line this year has eased any of my doubts.

As far as I am concerned, lets go find an Alex Gibbs/John Benton clone (or actually just get John Benton (oh wait, we let him get hired by the Saints this spring, wonder how that OLine is reacting to his coaching)), and turn him lose to kick this talented but underachieving crew into an actual Outside Zone-Blocking Offensive Line.
 
AggiebyMarriage said:
I would love to see the Texans Offensive Line Coach up at the podium answering some questions, because he has some to answer. I was willing to give the guy a pass for the nonsense last year because of all the injuries. But this year, if this does shape up in a hurry his ass needs to be out the door.

I was always doubtful of the O line coach because when he was hired, he had never coached an outside zone blocking scheme before in his career. Nothing that has happened with the line this year has eased any of my doubts.

As far as I am concerned, lets go find an Alex Gibbs/John Benton clone (or actually just get John Benton (oh wait, we let him get hired by the Saints this spring, wonder how that OLine is reacting to his coaching)), and turn him lose to kick this talented but underachieving crew into an actual Outside Zone-Blocking Offensive Line.
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I thought Strausser was new this year? Someone fact check me.

Broadly speaking I agree with your post. But this might be square peg, round hole. I’m not a o-line expert, but it just seems to me, zone may not be their forte. I noticed on the gap plays with a pulling guard…we had some decent success in the run game. I’m pining for the zone concept because the Kubiak era line kicked ass. Of course it didn’t hurt that Arian Foster was a perfect zone concept runner.

A better way to say it. I’m not sure how much is chicken, and how much is egg. Wrong coaching for the players, or wrong players for the coaching?
 
Porky said:
I thought Strausser was new this year? Someone fact check me.

Broadly speaking I agree with your post. But this might be square peg, round hole. I’m not a o-line expert, but it just seems to me, zone may not be their forte. I noticed on the gap plays with a pulling guard…we had some decent success in the run game. I’m pining for the zone concept because the Kubiak era line kicked ass. Of course it didn’t hurt that Arian Foster was a perfect zone concept runner.

A better way to say it. I’m not sure how much is chicken, and how much is egg. Wrong coaching for the players, or wrong players for the coaching?
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He was here last year & most of us (including some guy going by Porky) thought he was doing a great job.

Porky said:
What Strauser and Slowik are doing with this patchwork oline is totally underrated imho. Strausser is looking like our best oline coach since the late, great….umm damn I lost it. Y’all help me, the guy that coached under Kubes.

And I think they are being smart by not moving guys around. But these coaches are putting bandaids on gunshot wounds and somehow making it work halfway decently, save the opening half of the season when it looked discombobulated.

If we ever get healthy upfront, this group may yet be elite or at least damn good.
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mws said:
He was here last year & most of us (including some guy going by Porky) thought he was doing a great job.
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Porky said:
I thought Strausser was new this year? Someone fact check me.

Broadly speaking I agree with your post. But this might be square peg, round hole. I’m not a o-line expert, but it just seems to me, zone may not be their forte. I noticed on the gap plays with a pulling guard…we had some decent success in the run game. I’m pining for the zone concept because the Kubiak era line kicked ass. Of course it didn’t hurt that Arian Foster was a perfect zone concept runner.

A better way to say it. I’m not sure how much is chicken, and how much is egg. Wrong coaching for the players, or wrong players for the coaching?
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John Benton was the Texans Offensive Line Coach 2006 thru 2013 (when the Texans had their best OLine in franchise history). He is a Alex Gibbs disciple, and is with out a doubt, is the best zone blocking OLine coach in the league. He joined the 49ers when Shanahan took over in 2017, He left to join the Jets, when Saleh took over the Jets in 2020. He was available the beginning of 2023 because he got let go from the Jets Oline Coaching job because of a DUI in 2022. He was still available this spring, but Klint Kubiack snatched Benton up as soon as he got the Saints Offensive Coordinator job.

I know he had just come off a DUI, but I still wish we would have hired him in the spring of 2023. He knows the the zone blocking scheme like no one else in the league, and he gets his Olinemen to run it. balls to the wall.
 
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He was here last year & most of us (including some guy going by Porky) thought he was doing a great job.
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Thanks totally forgot. He did do a great job last year. Remember we had an unprecedented number of injuries and he managed to hold the pieces together last year, especially in pass pro. This year, with relative health…they look far worse…especially with the basics like false starts and lining up correctly, etc. and the pass pro has been poor.
 
Porky said:
I thought Strausser was new this year? Someone fact check me.

Broadly speaking I agree with your post. But this might be square peg, round hole. I’m not a o-line expert, but it just seems to me, zone may not be their forte. I noticed on the gap plays with a pulling guard…we had some decent success in the run game. I’m pining for the zone concept because the Kubiak era line kicked ass. Of course it didn’t hurt that Arian Foster was a perfect zone concept runner.

A better way to say it. I’m not sure how much is chicken, and how much is egg. Wrong coaching for the players, or wrong players for the coaching?
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No, Strausser has been with us since last season and was with the Colts before then. With the Colts he can potentially be credited with helping develop the once young o-linemen on the team but before he was let go their play was slipping game by game and year by year until it was untenable, they were performing like one of the worst lines in the league. They then brought in Tony Sparano Jr. who has since gotten the Colts o-line performing like one of the best if not the best in the league.

You might be thinking of Zach Yenser who is an assistant offensive line coach who was brought in this season. An odd addition as I can't think of a team that has as many o-line coaches as we have (3 - one head and two assistants).
 
badboy said:
Congratulations Kenyon Green.
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Yeah, been watching some tape…He’s terrible and it appears he’s the weak link. Both of the sacks on CJ in the jags game came from the guy right over him. The 2nd sack he just got straight bullied right into CJ’s lap.

He just looks weak from a strength standpoint…like he needs to get in the weight room. Problem is this is his 3rd year and if u don’t have your grown man strength by now, I don’t think it’s coming.
 
Mr teX said:
Yeah, been watching some tape…He’s terrible and it appears he’s the weak link. Both of the sacks on CJ in the jags game came from the guy right over him. The 2nd sack he just got straight bullied right into CJ’s lap.

He just looks weak from a strength standpoint…like he needs to get in the weight room. Problem is this is his 3rd year and if u don’t have your grown man strength by now, I don’t think it’s coming.
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I think it's less about strength and more balance and anticipation. Week 1 Green was mauling linemen. Now, he looks helpless. We talk about QBs not seeing the field, but linemen can have the same issue. Former Texan Max Scharping had the same problem. The guy would block no one while looking left, and a rusher would zoom past him on the right. Green is lost, he has no anticipation, and doesn't put his body in the correct position. Even if the guy was weak, if he had the right position he could at least be a speed bump.

Edit: This isn't an excuse for Green. But he's getting no help from All World Laremy Tunsil. If Tunsil's guy stunts inside, he just quits on the play. When I see this stats saying Tunsil is playing at a high level I roll my eyes.

Double Edit: The game gets easier for Green, Tunsil, and the rest of the linemen if they can fire off the ball and hit someone in the run game. Get up to the LOS early in the play clock, fire out at the guy in front of you, and smack the crap out of him. I'm sick of the pansy arse zone blocking that these guys can't figure out.
 
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Lucky said:
I think it's less about strength and more balance and anticipation. Week 1 Green was mauling linemen. Now, he looks helpless. We talk about QBs not seeing the field, but linemen can have the same issue. Former Texan Max Scharping had the same problem. The guy would block no one while looking left, and a rusher would zoom past him on the right. Green is lost, he has no anticipation, and doesn't put his body in the correct position. Even if the guy was weak, if he had the right position he could at least be a speed bump.

Edit: This isn't an excuse for Green. But he's getting no help from All World Laremy Tunsil. If Tunsil's guy stunts inside, he just quits on the play. When I see this stats saying Tunsil is playing at a high level I roll my eyes.

Double Edit: The game gets easier for Green, Tunsil, and the rest of the linemen if they can fire off the ball and hit someone in the run game. Get up to the LOS early in the play clock, fire out at the guy in front of you, and smack the crap out of him. I'm sick of the pansy arse zone blocking that these guys can't figure out.
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Do you think that can be corrected with experience or is it one of those you either have that feel or you don’t?

I’m also wondering if he is permanently compromised due to injury history. I’m not ready to cry uncle on this kid…yet. But the clock is ticking.
 
Lucky said:
The guy would block no one while looking left, and a rusher would zoom past him on the right. Green is lost, he has no anticipation, and doesn't put his body in the correct position.
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Saw a few instances of this very thing from him in the Vikes game.

Something as simple as keeping your head on a swivel and staying balanced would do him wonders b/c He just looks so uncomfortable in pass pro and in space most of the time. it looks to me when he’s going backwards in pass pro he often gets caught leaning forward b/c he’s trying to “meet” the defender and anchor down..plus that’s where his true power is...going forward. In doing that he either forgets or is just flat out not moving his feet; at the very least he’s not consistent with it. When he does that he gets WAAYY out over his toes and all the defender has to do is club chop/speed rip him and he’s gonna fall over and out of the play…or in the case of the jags game, get caught holding on for dear life trying not to fall over.

His pass pro technique is just garbage.

I agree, I think we need to start letting him and the o-line tee off a bit more in the run game and in the Colts game that’s what we were doing. Running primarily to the left side & Mixon was hitting those lanes hard and fast and we just wore the Colts down. Mixon for the punch he packed is missed tremendously b/c these other backs we have don’t have the vision nor pack the punch.
 
Porky said:
Do you think that can be corrected with experience or is it one of those you either have that feel or you don’t?

I’m also wondering if he is permanently compromised due to injury history. I’m not ready to cry uncle on this kid…yet. But the clock is ticking.
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Kenyon Green was a very good player in college, when he just had to worry about the guy across from him. But in the NFL, when they find a weakness it's just hammered over and over. I don't know if the guys behind Green are any better. Just that this is becoming a problem and not a situation you want to expose the franchise QB to.
 
Lucky said:
I think it's less about strength and more balance and anticipation. Week 1 Green was mauling linemen. Now, he looks helpless. We talk about QBs not seeing the field, but linemen can have the same issue. Former Texan Max Scharping had the same problem. The guy would block no one while looking left, and a rusher would zoom past him on the right. Green is lost, he has no anticipation, and doesn't put his body in the correct position. Even if the guy was weak, if he had the right position he could at least be a speed bump.

Edit: This isn't an excuse for Green. But he's getting no help from All World Laremy Tunsil. If Tunsil's guy stunts inside, he just quits on the play. When I see this stats saying Tunsil is playing at a high level I roll my eyes.

Double Edit: The game gets easier for Green, Tunsil, and the rest of the linemen if they can fire off the ball and hit someone in the run game. Get up to the LOS early in the play clock, fire out at the guy in front of you, and smack the crap out of him. I'm sick of the pansy arse zone blocking that these guys can't figure out.
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In what universe are you seeing this? The Texans OL is sucking at run blocking, especially on 1st down. Tunsil has never been good at run blocking. He's the walking definition of finesse pass blocking.
 
DocBar said:
In what universe are you seeing this? The Texans OL is sucking at run blocking, especially on 1st down. Tunsil has never been good at run blocking. He's the walking definition of finesse pass blocking.
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I think you may need to re-read the post. Because rather than week 1, I did not suggest the offensive line has been effective run blocking. I did propose how the run game could improve. Future tense.
 
I think what's being undersold when assessing the o-line play in the run game is how much we miss Mixon. Go back and watch that Colts game. People forget how much duress CJ was under in that game. The Colts had 4 sacks on him; CJ ran away from about 4 more too. But in specifically watching us in the run game, the Colts were getting just as much if not more penetration against us. In the last few games where our other backs have been trying to run around that penetration to get to that outside zone run lane, Mixon would very often let that penetration get up field....which is designed to cut off that outside zone running lane...He would just cut in right behind that penetration where the D-linemen had vacated his rush lane & pick up 4-5 yards. Foster was famous for that & that's how its supposed to work. Make the defense be disciplined in their rush lanes which by default slows the pass rush down & opens that outside zone run lane back up. Even when it looked like it was defended fairly well tho, Mixon still had enough steam to run through arm tackles and get us 3-4 yards in the Colts game.

So the o-line could certainly play better, but more than anything, Mixon..his vision and ability to run through arm tackles is what we're missing in the run game the most.
 
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When this OL is healthy again, I wouldn’t mind trying what worked early last season. Move Scruggs to LG and Patterson back at C. I’m not a big fan of Mason this season and wouldn’t mind seeing the Texans try some of the other legs on the roster as a replacement. Would trying Fisher at RG be completely out of the question?

All I know, based on the way these guys are playing….not one of them should be sitting back thinking their starting position is safe b/c of the contract they signed. Time to start sitting their arses and letting others get a shot at taking what should be available to the one who wants it most. I believe this would get the 5 best OL on the field.
 
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Time to start sitting their arses and letting others get a shot at taking what should be available to the one who wants it most.
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I've said it before, the 1st 4 weeks of the season is basically what we used to know as "preseason" except the games actually count.

This is really the first time the starters have played together in any "real" game type situation.

I agree it doesn't look good. But now they've got real situations on film. Technically they've only been trying to "fix" things over the last 3 weeks & just like "illegal man downfield" is a totally new infraction & false starts were nil last game... I think it's too early to pull the plug on what they are doing.

The next 4 weeks we'll see how good a job the coaches are doing.
 
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