NitroGSXR
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Yup. This is no big deal. Just more of judgy people showing their true colors. Thats okay. Let ‘em. Fortunately the folks on Kirby are all in on a SB run so if sweat is BPA for us… bank on him being taken.
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T'Vondre Sweat arrested for DWI suspicion.
- Thread starter Errant Hothy
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- Tunsil's incident was 3 years prior to the Texans trading for him. Laremy had zero incidents after or since.
- How do we know Mixon was "draftable" by the Texans? The decision makers in 2017 are long gone. The Texans are clearly OK with the 2024 version of Mixon.
There is no linkage at all between Tunsil, Mixon, or Sweat and the Texans. Sweat's situation is now. If Sweat cleans his act up over the next several years, the Texans decision makers may have a different view of him.
A lot of people seem to be reaching for reasons to draft a player that has recently shown to have serious issues.
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xtruroyaltyx
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Respectfully, This is just my opinion, but I think there are some distinct differences.
Tunsil as far as I know had the one incident with the weed gas mask thing. Tunsil was a top 15 prospect at a highly valuable position. The gas mask thing wasn't really something that made you question his dedication to football. Was it smart to have that come out right before the draft? No, but smoking weed in the house is not a huge deal. Having drinks and getting on the road and getting into accidents is.
And also, by the time the Texans traded for him he was already an established pro.
Mixon supposedly had a draftable grade, but draftable where? I think Sweat is still draftable, but I just wouldn't invest pick 42 on him.
Also, Mixon's incident didn't happen right before the draft. He was basically right out of high school when he assaulted the woman. That was about 3 full years before he was drafted. And again, They traded for him a decade after that incident happened and he's already an established pro who has proven himself.
With Sweat there were already some concerns before this....He had to address his party boy ways at the combine with teams he met with. He supposedly told teams when asked about his weight that he didn't think he weight was a problem at all. This is despite some obvious conditioning issues that show up on film. And then just weeks before the draft he gets arrested for be intoxicated while driving. We'll see what happens with this charge and what the details are. Maybe he'll be vindicated. But right now it's not a good look and just based on multiple factors I've cooled on him.
And tbh I can see where the Texans weren't high on him to begin with. he doesn't fit the high motor "SWARM" style of play that Demeco demands.
CloakNNNdagger
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Jalen Green was a basketball player.
Jalen Carter is probably who you are thinking of. He was found not to be the cause of the death. And he didn't leave the scene of the accident.
He did, but he went back later
And Sweat didn't leave the scene of the accident
Mr teX
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Been a hard pass for me. Just wasn't impressed by him in the games i watched him. Gives me Frank Okam, Louis Nix vibes
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They may have a different view of him now than you do. If he's not drafted it will be because he isn't a fit in Ryans defense or Ryans doesn't want him on the team.
Being honest having to face the inbreds with Simmons and Sweat in the middle of that defense isn't a pleasant thought.
That would suck!
CloakNNNdagger
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Porky
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In short, Sweat isn't worth the extra trouble. I was already (slightly) souring on him, especially at 42. For me, this is the nail in the coffin. Louis Nix is a good comp, as stated above. He may be great...or he may be out of the league in 3 years or less. No thanks! Too risky, unless he falls to round 4. I'd consider him there but it's still not a slam dunk for me as he's not a culture fit (SWARM). Let's get high-motor, intelligent kids in here that are all about ball...not partying at all hours of the night and then driving drunk and putting people in serious danger. Drunk driving needs to be dealt with seriously instead of the wrist-slapping it tends to get.
There's been no indication that Sweat isn't all about ball. In fact Sark has said he's all about ball. I would draft Sweat at 3-86 and it has to do with fit, not that he got a DWI.
As far as the DWI laws go, they lowered the legal limit to .08 (You do know that .08 means if you've had 2 tall boys on your hour drive home from work you're a criminal) and after your 3rd DWI you go to prison. What more do you want? The hand used to hold a drink to be cut off? The lowering of the legal limit is all about the state generating more revenue.
CloakNNNdagger
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The DWI BAC laws in all states have been .08 since 2000. I guess we run around in different circles.
The National Institutes on Alcohol Abuse and Alcoholism (NIAA) has defined "binge drinking" as a pattern of drinking alcohol that brings blood alcohol concentration (BAC) to 0.08 percent - or 0.08 grams of alcohol per deciliter - or higher. For a typical adult, this pattern corresponds to consuming 5 or more drinks (male), or 4 or more drinks (female), in about 2 hours.
The Substance Abuse and Mental Health Services Administration (SAMHSA), which conducts the annual National Survey on Drug Use and Health (NSDUH), defines binge drinking as 5 or more alcoholic drinks for males or 4 or more alcoholic drinks for females on the same occasion (i.e., at the same time or within a couple of hours of each other) on at least 1 day in the past month.
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I'm not a betting man, but I would venture say that his BAC at 4:12 AM was likely significantly higher than .08.
64 oz of beer in 45 mins to an hr will put you over the legal limit. I learned this from a cop that taught CJ classes back in the 80's when the BAC was 1.0. He said he used to stop guys doing this.
Agreed about his BAC being well above .08, although at his size it may not be as high as we think it might be.
CloakNNNdagger
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If you read my previous post, you would know that this is not true.
And 64 oz (equivalent to 2 standard drinks) within an hour will not bring up an average size male's BAC to .08. Although this can vary between individuals, studies have consistently shown that in a person of average build, one standard drink will raise the BAC by approximately 0.01 to at most 0.03% in an hour. This has also been my experience in treating patients involved in auto accidents.
Mr teX
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There's already serious questions about whether he can even give you 2 downs at his current weight... let alone 3....... in a league where you're passing the ball 70% of the time. i'm sure whomever drafts him the plan will be to lean him out to be able to play 3 downs..but if they do that they may in essence change what made him effective in the 1st place. He's 360+ NOW in college & that doesn't purport to change much once he gets money & football turns into actual work. A guy who was on the bench at UT & really had done nothing to pay attention to until his 5th year in college so there's really only 1 year of top level production.... A guy who tends to play high........ that got over mostly on his girth being able to just lean on his opponents that were alreadly largely inferior talents in a largely inferior Big 12 conference. None of this will fly in the pros & I don't see Meco really vibing with that.
Terrence Cody, Frank Okam, Louis Nix...I've just seen too many guys like him that were dominant in college but proved to be not much of anything once they get to the pros b/c they can't just lean on guys or out-muscle their opponents & dominate like they did in college. Like those other guys i listed above, i predict he'll washout in 3-5 years b/c he's largely a 1 trick pony & he'll just be a JAG at that 1 trick once he gets into the pros.
I think we can do better with our picks in the 2nd and 3rd.
Terrence Cody, Frank Okam, Louis Nix...I've just seen too many guys like him that were dominant in college but proved to be not much of anything once they get to the pros b/c they can't just lean on guys or out-muscle their opponents & dominate like they did in college. Like those other guys i listed above, i predict he'll washout in 3-5 years b/c he's largely a 1 trick pony & he'll just be a JAG at that 1 trick once he gets into the pros.
I think we can do better with our picks in the 2nd and 3rd.
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Porky
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I'm perfectly fine with .08. People shouldn't kill others or put people in danger when driving a 2-ton vehicle. There's Uber and other ride shares, friends that aren't drinking, taxis, walking, etc. Don't get behind the wheel. Seems pretty simple.
And for goodness' sake, how much does a 360 lb man have to drink to get that sloshed? And in what timeframe? That's not a guy who drank two beers in an hour while having a good time and thought he was sober. That's a guy who is purposely getting completely soused and then deciding to drive. It was a terrible decision that could have gotten himself or another person killed. Sorry if I can't find a valid excuse for his behavior. Same as Rashee Rice. He should do hard time at the pen, and have his license permanently revoked.
Just saying what I was taught.
Maybe the driver would drink 32 oz then crack open the 2nd beer drink a 1/3 of it say 38 oz in 20 mins and got a DWI.
You might want to go back and checkout his tape.
BTW, he played well enough to win the Lombardi Trophy playing at 365 LBS. He was much more than the fat guy standing there in the middle of the LOS.
Yes they do, there's a bit of hypocrisy going on around here. There's a reason tailgating is so popular down on Kirby.Don’t know if it’s true but I heard once that people get **** faced at football games every Sunday and drive home
Porky
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No hypocrisy from me. I don't drink a lot anymore. A glass or two of wine with dinner or a margarita or mixed drink from time to time is about it. No beer. I can't do beer anymore due to stomach issues. And I rarely drink anything at all at games. It's way overpriced. No thanks. And all those people who choose to over-imbibe and get behind the wheel before sobering up get the same treatment from me. If caught, throw em in the pen, lock em up, swallow the key and leave them there. They can rot in jail as far as I'm concerned. I've got ZERO tolerance if you put other people in danger like that. It's completely 100% inexcusable and should not be tolerated anywhere, anytime, at any event on any day and at any time. As a country...we've still got work to do to get people to stop killing other people.
Mr teX
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You mean why tailgating is popular at all these football games....Noone's blasting the kid b/c he wanted to have a couple of pops..He's getting blasted b/c he chose to drive home whopped & got caught right before 1 of the biggest life changing moments of his life. That's just not smart on a number of levels.
I'm convinced that alot of these guys that get caught in these situations are unconsiciously self-sabotaging themselves b/c they do have doubts about whether they can make it on the NFL level..Of course they can't come out & verbalize that, so they do dumb **** to lessen the hype & expectations those around them have for them.
Dejaview
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Yeah Sweat got drunk because he doesn’t think he can make it. Geez. Even if he didn’t make it he will still have more money from that first contract than most people have. And wouldn’t he have more money the higher he goes in the draft? show me the evidence that people get drunk to lessen the hype and expectations of those around them. Hey look at that chick. I’m going to get **** faced because I don’t want her to like me. He did what he did because that is the problem with booze, especially at that age. It takes away your inhibitions and judgement. The positive aspect is if a good coach and agent can help him the world is a little better.
Worked every time for me.
Dejaview
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340# Tony Siragusa wasn’t too bad of a DT.
When you threw in the "but", I knew you were about to condone the DWI. You did read the part about the wreck on 35, right.
Dejaview
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lol me too. But the women are trying hard these days to catch up.
That was a different time, right? The league is pass happy now. Gotta be able to rush the passer or be a part-time player at DT.
Dejaview
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i wasn’t condoning act I or a potential act II. I don’t follow the news anymore so I don’t know about any wreck that he may have been in? I thought I was just referring to a simple DWI.
Dejaview
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I don’t know. Texans games are blacked out where I live. What hurt us more last year, the run or the pass?
Porky
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In my case, I needed her to drink to like me, not the other way around.
Number19
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To put this into perspective, last season Sweat had 503 snaps in 14 games....an average of 36 per game.
For the Texans, Collins had 780 snaps in 18 games....an average of 43 per game.
Rankins had 673 snaps in 17 games....an average of 40 per game.
Like all rookies, Sweat will have to condition himself to the longer season.
Yet you've got HOF'ers like Sapp/LT/Marino who were doing the same thing. Justin Houston was obviously one of the most talented guys in his draft class, got caught smoking pot at the combine is still playing and productive. I think it's more like a lifestyle for Sweat and a lifestyle that's easy to fall into in Austin particularly when you're a BMOC.
Both people in the wreck were most likely drunk.
One ran from the scene at 4:00 AM and Sweat stayed at the scene.
Dejaview
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Thanks. If Sweat was that other guyI’d say don’t draft him.
CloakNNNdagger
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Goose weighed 286 lbs at the Combine............he built up to a NFL guided/controlled/conditioned 340 lbs.
Sweat starts off at 362 and has been heavier. Bringing a player to a leaner stronger body mass is much more difficult and certainly much less predictable, especially if alcohol is a contributing problem.
BTW, Goose's BMI was 42, Wilfork's was 40, Sapp's 38..............and Sweat's almost 50. That's a lot of non lean muscle weight.
Dejaview
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Looks like he's going to have a short lifespan. But even with these numbers he was good enough to be considered the best lineman in the nation in college. I kind like that and hope that he keeps playing at that weight because he's effective playing at that weight. From a human aspect, he needs to lose weight.
CloakNNNdagger
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Texansphan
Football connoisseur
I definitely feel they won't move up to get him.Maybe Sweat was in no condition to run.
CloakNNNdagger
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In his college years, he was less that consistent, gaining his accolades very late. In the NFL, he will be going against the best that college could throw at him...............essentially every game. I have my doubts as to how he'll hold up.
CloakNNNdagger
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Speak for yourself!
Number19
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Of course he had an additional year of experience, but he played better at 365 than he did at 340.
Dejaview
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Or the guy running caused the wreckMaybe Sweat was in no condition to run.
badboy
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I do not agree with your use of the word draft because Tunsil had three years with the Dolphins after the draft before the Texans traded for him. They had a three-year window to look at him and decide before giving up any trade picks.
Mixon had issue 10 years ago as has been discussed. In 2023, charges filed for allegedly telling a woman she should be shot. 24 hours later charges dropped by DA request. 2 months later, refiled but jury said not guilty. Recently, incident with Mixon's sister and her boyfriend vs Mixon's neighbors. Joe not there and police said he committed no crime.
Texans have not said anything about Sweat. They could trade up to get him or not take him at all.
Number19
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You can't just use the generic term DT, the two DTs play different position. A 3 tech is not the same as a 1 tech. Ryans 1 tech DT in San Fran was not an effective pass rusher. At most, 3 sacks. I would think, or hope, that Ryan is smart enough to evolve in his coaching. If the small 300 pounder is not getting effective pressure, would a strong 360 pounder produce better results?
Dejaview
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I do know this. NC has said they have particular body types at each position that they profile and use in their drafts. It comes down to their DT profile. I’m pretty sure they can get his weight within the desired range, if he’s not there already, or they won’t draft him.
