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Senior Bowl 2024

steelbtexan said:
Thoughts about picking a WR

Rd.1 Legette (Thomas and the top 5 WR's are gone)
Rd. 2 McConkey, Tez Walker, Franklin
Rd.3 Burton, Brenden Rice, Johnny Wilson
Rd. 4 Anias Smith/ Luke McCaffrey, Jalen Polk

I'm thinking due to size, speed, hands, route running, I'm picking McCaffrey. I also like Smith and Johnny Wilson a lot too. Everybody also knows what I think about Legette.

I would love to see what everybody else is thinking and what direction y'all would go in. Also add guys that I may have missed and what rd do you think they go in?
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Are you not a fan of Malachi Corley? I have him right in there behind McConkey with Franklin. Absolute dawg of a slot receiver and has that RB build so could possibly get some Deebo type of play out of him.

Also what did you think about your guy Morgan measuring in with sub 33" arms?
 
TexansFan15 said:
I’d hesitate picking Legette in the 1st. I saw a couple posts covering the senior bowl that he didn’t have a great day.

I’m also not a fan of Johnny Wilson. He does have the hands I’d like for us to have in our WR room.

I would pick Polk in day 2 without hesitation. I’d also add Roman Wilson to the list of WRs I’d go after day too. LOVE McConkey! I think he’d be a great weapon.
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I'm actually quite a big fan of Johnny Wilson (day 2 grade) and this is probably my hottest take of the draft but I actually like him more than his teammate Keon Coleman. I see Johnny Wilson as a big slot and I think it would be kind of funny having he and Tank on the same team playing opposing roles to what people are used to from their body types.

Overall I think Coleman is one of the most overrated prospects of the entire draft and I've got a 4th round grade on him. He has very little ability to separate whatsoever and is extremely overrated as a contested ball catcher.
 
Sweech said:
Are you not a fan of Malachi Corley? I have him right in there behind McConkey with Franklin. Absolute dawg of a slot receiver and has that RB build so could possibly get some Deebo type of play out of him.

Also what did you think about your guy Morgan measuring in with sub 33" arms?
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I dont like guys with sub 33 1/2 arms. I would put Morgan at LG and be very happy for the next decade. I would draft him in the late 1st early 2nd.
 
steelbtexan said:
I dont like guys with sub 33 1/2 arms. I would put Morgan at LG and be very happy for the next decade. I would draft him in the late 1st early 2nd.
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If the IOL was one of my top areas of concern……I wouldn’t hesitate to select Oregon C, Jackson Powers-Johnson. This guy has been one of the OL stars at the Senior Bowl so far b/c he can flat hold his own in pass blocking and seems to be more than capable of steamrolling anyone in front of him in the run game.

How that would this work for the Texans? Absolutely amazing!!! They could line up Scruggs or Green at LG, Powers-Johnson at C, and Patterson or Mason at RG. Texans inside run game would be pretty formidable.
 
OptimisticTexan said:
If the IOL was one of my top areas of concern……I wouldn’t hesitate to select Oregon C, Jackson Powers-Johnson. This guy has been one of the OL stars at the Senior Bowl so far b/c he can flat hold his own in pass blocking and seems to be more than capable of steamrolling anyone in front of him in the run game.

How that would this work for the Texans? Absolutely amazing!!! They could line up Scruggs or Green at LG, Powers-Johnson at C, and Patterson or Mason at RG. Texans inside run game would be pretty formidable.
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Gotta spend a 1st to get him.
 
OptimisticTexan said:
Powers-Johnson would be a luxury pick, even in RD1.

As for a RD1 necessity….RT, Tyler Guyton (OK) may be moving to the top of the RT class. All I could hope for, RT’s JC Latham (AL) or Mims (GA) slide down to the Texans slot at 23.
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I don't want anything to do with Mims - I'm pretty done with injury prone players at this point.
 
Watching some of the videos and clips of day One of the Practices a few players I don't know that id be able to pass up at 23 if they were there in the draft are, 1) Taliese Fuaga OT Oregon St. I know we have invested a ton into the Oline the last few years but this guy just looks special to me. He had some Dominant Reps in 1 on 1s and is a Mauler in the run game. Something we are missing desperately. With the health of Tytus Howard in question I'm liking the idea of taking an OT at 23 more and more if someone like him falls. 2) Quinyon Mitchell DB Toledo. I had questions on this guy because he plays for Toledo and the competition is not the greatest, and he played probably 95 percent zone but this guy looked lights out in his drills against some top notch competition. He constantly blanketed the Receivers he went up against and won the drills. He would fit in perfectly opposite Stingley if the Texans do not find a way to resign Nelson. Also a few later day players that I personally like that might be available in Day 2 or 3 of the Draft are CB Max Melton Rutgers, RB Ray Davis, Wr Malachi Corely Western Kentucky, and I'm really intrigued by FSU WR Johnny Wilson.
 
I recorded the practices and was able to watch the National practice and some of the American
Taliese Fuaga was just stoning guys at RT. That includes Latu. One of the strongest performances I've seen in the Pit.

Baylor DT Gabe Hall was making it look easy. I was surprised he was invited when the rosters were announced. He doesn't have a ton of production under his belt over 5 seasons. But Hall had all the moves to create penetration. And was not manhandled a bit. He was a lot better than I thought.

I was a big fan of Penn State CB Kalen King coming into the 2023 season. He had some struggles during the year and lost momentum as a potential 1st round selection. Yesterday's practice didn't help, as King was beaten easily by just about everyone he faced. King is best when he uses his feet rather than his hands in coverage. But it wasn't working for him in the first practice.
 
OptimisticTexan said:
Powers-Johnson would be a luxury pick, even in RD1.

As for a RD1 necessity….RT, Tyler Guyton (OK) may be moving to the top of the RT class. All I could hope for, RT’s JC Latham (AL) or Mims (GA) slide down to the Texans slot at 23.
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I'm looking at 3rd rd RT's. Walter Rouse, Garrett Greenfeild, Coleman from TCU. This is a really good OT class.

The player that has impressed me the most is Quinton Mitchell CB Toledo. This dude's a stud. That means he will probably go before 1-23. Putting Mitchell with a healthy Stingley would almost be unfair.
 
Texans2017 said:
Watching some of the videos and clips of day One of the Practices a few players I don't know that id be able to pass up at 23 if they were there in the draft are, 1) Taliese Fuaga OT Oregon St. I know we have invested a ton into the Oline the last few years but this guy just looks special to me. He had some Dominant Reps in 1 on 1s and is a Mauler in the run game. Something we are missing desperately. With the health of Tytus Howard in question I'm liking the idea of taking an OT at 23 more and more if someone like him falls. 2) Quinyon Mitchell DB Toledo. I had questions on this guy because he plays for Toledo and the competition is not the greatest, and he played probably 95 percent zone but this guy looked lights out in his drills against some top notch competition. He constantly blanketed the Receivers he went up against and won the drills. He would fit in perfectly opposite Stingley if the Texans do not find a way to resign Nelson. Also a few later day players that I personally like that might be available in Day 2 or 3 of the Draft are CB Max Melton Rutgers, RB Ray Davis, Wr Malachi Corely Western Kentucky, and I'm really intrigued by FSU WR Johnny Wilson.
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Good list

I would add McCaffrey and Coleman OT TCU to this list. Both guys are very talented.
 
steelbtexan said:
I'm looking at 3rd rd RT's. Walter Rouse, Garrett Greenfeild, Coleman from TCU. This is a really good OT class.

The player that has impressed me the most is Quinton Mitchell CB Toledo. This dude's a stud. That means he will probably go before 1-23. Putting Mitchell with a healthy Stingley would almost be unfair.
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I was hesitant about Mitchell initially, but with his performance at the senior bowl I’m more than happy to spend our 1st on someone to pair with Stingley.

The question really is if he’ll be there at 23. BUT if there is a run on tackles I could see some of the top corners pushed down for us.

I’d be happy with:
Both AL guys
Cooper DeJean
Nate Wiggins
Quinyon Mitchell.

I could also see us spending our 1st on a WR or an Edge opposite of Anderson.

I’m with @steelbtexan in looking at RT later in the draft. I just don’t see NC spending a 1st on our OL. I like what Rouseand Greenfield showed at the Shrine practices. I haven’t looked into Coleman.

It’ll be a really fascinating draft season, and I’m here for it.
 
Lucky said:
I recorded the practices and was able to watch the National practice and some of the American
Taliese Fuaga was just stoning guys at RT. That includes Latu. One of the strongest performances I've seen in the Pit.

Baylor DT Gabe Hall was making it look easy. I was surprised he was invited when the rosters were announced. He doesn't have a ton of production under his belt over 5 seasons. But Hall had all the moves to create penetration. And was not manhandled a bit. He was a lot better than I thought.

I was a big fan of Penn State CB Kalen King coming into the 2023 season. He had some struggles during the year and lost momentum as a potential 1st round selection. Yesterday's practice didn't help, as King was beaten easily by just about everyone he faced. King is best when he uses his feet rather than his hands in coverage. But it wasn't working for him in the first practice.
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TexansFan15 said:
I was hesitant about Mitchell initially, but with his performance at the senior bowl I’m more than happy to spend our 1st on someone to pair with Stingley.

The question really is if he’ll be there at 23. BUT if there is a run on tackles I could see some of the top corners pushed down for us.

I’d be happy with:
Both AL guys
Cooper DeJean
Nate Wiggins
Quinyon Mitchell.

I could also see us spending our 1st on a WR or an Edge opposite of Anderson.

I’m with @steelbtexan in looking at RT later in the draft. I just don’t see NC spending a 1st on our OL. I like what Rouseand Greenfield showed at the Shrine practices. I haven’t looked into Coleman.

It’ll be a really fascinating draft season, and I’m here for it.
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Just remember that I'm terrible when it comes to evaluating DB's.
 
TexansFan15 said:
Noted. No judgement here.

I don’t evaluate. I’m a great researcher, and the list of guys I created have been accumulated by following multiple draft analysts from different sites.
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Thanks for doing this I use your lists to look at guys I might have missed. I especially like the visits list you put out there. I look for trends to see what types of players they're looking at. This yr it appears they're looking at CB/Edge/LB/K/P. Kinda goes along with what Ryans was talking about in his post season presser.
 
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Man after another day of Blanket coverage from Mitchell, it might be a stretch that he even makes it to our pick now. I was hesitant to picking him as recent as a couple days ago, buy my goodness this kids got talent. Hes exactly what we need opposite Stingley, I might not even be opposed to trading up a couple spots to make sure we lock him down if he falls to 18-20ish. Honestly feels like DB is our biggest weakness atm next to Edge seeing as 6 or 7 of our secondary pieces are free agents. As well as Greenard, Rankins, and Barnett are all free agents as well.
 
I just feel like at 23 or where ever we end up selecting in the first round barring a trade up or down we gotta take CB or Edge/DLine. It feels like there is going to be a huge run on QB/OT/IOL and WR early in the draft and one of the premier CBs or Edge rushers is going to fall. Who that will be is up to debate but i do see a very talented prospect being there around our selection. Its gonna be exciting that for sure.
 
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steelbtexan said:
I'm looking at 3rd rd RT's. Walter Rouse, Garrett Greenfeild, Coleman from TCU. This is a really good OT class.

The player that has impressed me the most is Quinton Mitchell CB Toledo. This dude's a stud. That means he will probably go before 1-23. Putting Mitchell with a healthy Stingley would almost be unfair.
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I haven’t seen Mitchell but I’m intrigued based on what some of you fine folks are saying. But do you see a guy from Toledo going that high? I think we also need to keep in mind the schools that Nick tends to draft from, and it isn’t Toledo.
 
Porky said:
I haven’t seen Mitchell but I’m intrigued based on what some of you fine folks are saying. But do you see a guy from Toledo going that high? I think we also need to keep in mind the schools that Nick tends to draft from, and it isn’t Toledo.
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I dont see him falling to 1-23.
 
Porky said:
I haven’t seen Mitchell but I’m intrigued based on what some of you fine folks are saying. But do you see a guy from Toledo going that high? I think we also need to keep in mind the schools that Nick tends to draft from, and it isn’t Toledo.
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I think this young man is proving he can hang with the big guys at the Senior Bowl. His questions coming into the game were 1) can he hold up to an increased level of competition? and 2) can he play press coverage?
I think he’s answered both questions based on the many scouting reports and analysts that are attending the practices.

Will a CB from Toledo go that high in the draft? Witherspoon was at Illinois and went top 5. Now I understand that Toledo is not Illinois, but Illinois isn’t a big SEC school. I think he could certainly be an option at 23 for us, but there is a possibility he might already be gone.
 
Errant Hothy said:
https://twitter.com/x/status/1752709735218806919

I wonder how this in combination with Leggette coming is shorter than expected, with shorter than ideal arm length and hand side will effect his stock.

Makes me wonder if he is a candidate for the annual “The internet doesn’t understand why this guy fell” award.

For reference:
https://twitter.com/x/status/1752055845938979150
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I was as high on him as anybody and he's really disappointed this week. He may even fall to the 3rd like Deebo did. Deebo is my comparison for Legette.
 
Texans2017 said:
I just feel like at 23 or where ever we end up selecting in the first round barring a trade up or down we gotta take CB or Edge/DLine. It feels like there is going to be a huge run on QB/OT/IOL and WR early in the draft and one of the premier CBs or Edge rushers is going to fall. Who that will be is up to debate but i do see a very talented prospect being there around our selection. Its gonna be exciting that for sure.
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I think the pick will come down to McKinstry/ArnoldDeJohn,Mitchell will be gone.

One of the WR's like Coleman or Thomas, or OT's like Mims/Guyton/Paul. An egde Robinson or Trice and depending on if he tests like I think he will Darrius Robinson. DT's Possibly Newton/ Sweat/Murphy, I expect Murphy to go before Sweat.

Given these options who's your guy at 1-23?
 
Sweech said:
I'm actually quite a big fan of Johnny Wilson (day 2 grade) and this is probably my hottest take of the draft but I actually like him more than his teammate Keon Coleman. I see Johnny Wilson as a big slot and I think it would be kind of funny having he and Tank on the same team playing opposing roles to what people are used to from their body types.

Overall I think Coleman is one of the most overrated prospects of the entire draft and I've got a 4th round grade on him. He has very little ability to separate whatsoever and is extremely overrated as a contested ball catcher.
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I think Wilson is more Jimmy Graham thar Pete Carmichael. He's a te to me
 
steelbtexan said:
I think the pick will come down to McKinstry/ArnoldDeJohn,Mitchell will be gone.

One of the WR's like Coleman or Thomas, or OT's like Mims/Guyton/Paul. An egde Robinson or Trice and depending on if he tests like I think he will Darrius Robinson. DT's Possibly Newton/ Sweat/Murphy, I expect Murphy to go before Sweat.

Given these options who's your guy at 1-23?
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If you think Sweat is Vea or Ngata vs Davis, then you take him at 23. Since free agency is before the draft, if they resign Greenard then edge is out of the equation
 
leebigeztx said:
If you think Sweat is Vea or Ngata vs Davis, then you take him at 23. Since free agency is before the draft, if they resign Greenard then edge is out of the equation
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Sweat didn't weigh in at the Sr. Bowl. I heard Polian talking about what a big red flag that is and how he doesn't expect Sweat to have a long career. That could push him down to 50. Can you imagine drafting Darrius Robinson(Who I heard is going to test really well) and Sweat? Then come back in the 3rd for Payton Wilson. That's the type front 7 I think Ryans is looking at putting together. Then drafting a guy like McCaffrey and an OT like Coleman in the 4th. This team could compete with anybody.

If the draft was to fall like this then I would pay Sneed big money to be the CB opposite Stingley and find a FS in FA/Draft. Hopefully Ward is healthier also next yr.
 
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Texans2017 said:
Watching some of the videos and clips of day One of the Practices a few players I don't know that id be able to pass up at 23 if they were there in the draft are, 1) Taliese Fuaga OT Oregon St. I know we have invested a ton into the Oline the last few years but this guy just looks special to me. He had some Dominant Reps in 1 on 1s and is a Mauler in the run game. Something we are missing desperately. With the health of Tytus Howard in question I'm liking the idea of taking an OT at 23 more and more if someone like him falls. 2) Quinyon Mitchell DB Toledo. I had questions on this guy because he plays for Toledo and the competition is not the greatest, and he played probably 95 percent zone but this guy looked lights out in his drills against some top notch competition. He constantly blanketed the Receivers he went up against and won the drills. He would fit in perfectly opposite Stingley if the Texans do not find a way to resign Nelson. Also a few later day players that I personally like that might be available in Day 2 or 3 of the Draft are CB Max Melton Rutgers, RB Ray Davis, Wr Malachi Corely Western Kentucky, and I'm really intrigued by FSU WR Johnny Wilson.
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You are evaluating Fuaga and Mitchell correctly. I would love to have them at 23 and 59. Although I do like the University of Houston tackle Paul. A good chance that neither of the first two will be available at 23.
 
Porky said:
I haven’t seen Mitchell but I’m intrigued based on what some of you fine folks are saying. But do you see a guy from Toledo going that high? I think we also need to keep in mind the schools that Nick tends to draft from, and it isn’t Toledo.
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Small school is only a insignificant question mark for me. Mitchell played not only well but was a stand out. Tests well but plays well. I still prefer Terrion Arnold but TBH, Arnold at 23 and Mitchell round 2 would give us a tremendous corps with Stingley. I'm not forgetting Sting's foot. Another corner later Kris Abrams-Draine shouldn't be overlooked.
Also, I have been pushing Dorlus for a long time and glad to see him starting to get recognition. He is a bit shorter than Chris Jones but I could see him having the same type of career. Dorlus just has everything it takes to be successful in the NFL.
 
steelbtexan said:
Sweat didn't weigh in at the Sr. Bowl. I heard Polian talking about what a big red flag that is and how he doesn't expect Sweat to have a long career. That could push him down to 50. Can you imagine drafting Darrius Robinson(Who I heard is going to test really well) and Sweat? Then come back in the 3rd for Payton Wilson. That's the type front 7 I think Ryans is looking at putting together. Then drafting a guy like McCaffrey and an OT like Coleman in the 4th. This team could compete with anybody.

If the draft was to fall like this then I would pay Sneed big money to be the CB opposite Stingley and find a FS in FA/Draft. Hopefully Ward is healthier also next yr.
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Payton Wilson is another guy being ignored. Injuries probably why but man, he's good.
 
Random question, as in Im not sure where to drop this (and it's not thread worthy). I understand the buzz around McCaffrey, but what I dont understand is the preference of McCaffrey over Jordan Whittington?

Whittington is the more polished player, at the minimum equally athletic, a willing and able blocker as a WR and by all reports the kind of guy all coaches want in their locker rooms.
 
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Sweat didn't weigh in at the Sr. Bowl. I heard Polian talking about what a big red flag that is and how he doesn't expect Sweat to have a long career. That could push him down to 50. Can you imagine drafting Darrius Robinson(Who I heard is going to test really well) and Sweat? Then come back in the 3rd for Payton Wilson. That's the type front 7 I think Ryans is looking at putting together. Then drafting a guy like McCaffrey and an OT like Coleman in the 4th. This team could compete with anybody.

If the draft was to fall like this then I would pay Sneed big money to be the CB opposite Stingley and find a FS in FA/Draft. Hopefully Ward is healthier also next yr.
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Errant Hothy said:
Random question, as in Im not sure where to drop this (and it's not thread worthy). I understand the buzz around McCaffrey, but what I dont understand is the preference of McCaffrey over Jordan Whittington?

Whittington is the more polished player, at the minimum equally athletic, a willing and able blocker as a TE and by all reports the kind of guy all coaches want in their locker rooms.
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Because McCaffrey is the better athlete, had a better season and has more upside since he's only played the position one yr.
 
steelbtexan said:
Sweat didn't weigh in at the Sr. Bowl. I heard Polian talking about what a big red flag that is and how he doesn't expect Sweat to have a long career. That could push him down to 50. Can you imagine drafting Darrius Robinson(Who I heard is going to test really well) and Sweat? Then come back in the 3rd for Payton Wilson. That's the type front 7 I think Ryans is looking at putting together. Then drafting a guy like McCaffrey and an OT like Coleman in the 4th. This team could compete with anybody.
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If Sweat hits the combine at 370 or under his draft stock will be fine. Teams might have questions about his discipline but I don't see it effecting his draft stock to much.

And Polian is a blow hard
 
steelbtexan said:
I thought he went in the 3rd due to injury.

I stand corrected.
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Your point still stands Steel. If Leggette drops like Debo did, let’s nab him. He’s worth it as a 3rd rounder don’t you think?

Regarding Mitchell, his small school background still may push him down to 23. I haven’t seen any film or even a highlights package of him, so I’m totally going by these small practice clips and what observers are saying, but if he as advertised, imagine pairing him with a healthy Stingley. That would be an amazing duo…
 
Errant Hothy said:
If Sweat hits the combine at 370 or under his draft stock will be fine. Teams might have questions about his discipline but I don't see it effecting his draft stock to much.

And Polian is a blow hard
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Polian isn't my favorite guy either. He whined about the Pats CB's roughing up the Colts WR's, was on the rules committee and got the rule changed to where you can't touch a receiver past five yards.

But he is a HOF'er.
 
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