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That’s what they said about Houston. Now they are saying there aren’t many teams with a better situation for the next decade.

What a difference an owner’s wife and fan council make!

Much as we joke, and in some cases don't joke, about Hannah honestly I think things started to change when Caserio was hired. Not to say he hasn't made mistakes but from the moment he walked in you could almost see Cal sign with relief and start thinking about all those X-Box games he has on his backlog he could catch up with now. Whether a decision was right or wrong you at least felt like it was Caserio's decision and he was calling the shots. Took two strikes but on the last coaching hire he finally hit a homerun and then they both hit a grand slam (CJ, WA, Dell) in their first draft.
 
Lets look at the part of my post that you're addressing here.



You see I'm talking about the four years that Watson was our QB. I thought I made that clear but apparently I didn't. Going back to what made the Texans choose to select him 12th overall in the first round in 2017 we see this

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Was he overrated then? I don't see how anyone can say that. That's just college so we should move on to his professional career in Houston.

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Now absolutely the Browns got fleeced on the man who showed up (eventually) to play but those four years in Houston (OK three before that last stinker where the team went 4-12 and ALL the wheels fell off) Look like genuine franchise QB play to me. I imagine they look like franchise QB play to anyone not grinding an axe over Watson's many transgressions. Look, I'm no fan of the guy but the Texans took him in the first round because he was a great college QB. Cleveland traded for him because they thought the same thing. You sit a guy for year, have him miss a big chunk of the next year and then do it again and he's going to find a new level of suck. It's as simple as that. Also you put so much money in his bank account that he never has to work again and there's a good chance he just might choose not to.

The Texans sucked every year under O'Brien until the season was just about to go down the drain before Watson got here. Every year. That was some of the ugliest football I've ever witnessed. Then suddenly they would begin to perform better. Under the mixed bag of stooges he ran from Fitzpatrick to Savage it never got great but they would string just enough together to limp into a 9-7 "AFC Champions" finish and then go home soon enough. We all saw that year after year. The one thing Watson brought was an ability to improvise. He brought wheels that kept plays alive and kept defenses honest and it made the Texans look better than they were. I don't know how good the guy is (or was) at following a playbook but when the play fell apart he became more dangerous.

Now, am I saying he's even been average since he was traded? No, I'm not saying that. I didn't even mention him in Cleveland and wasn't talking about his play since, well since he actually "played" here. If you saw that in my answer it's because your mind put it there. Even if my answer was "no" however that isn't the definition of anything. That's just a QB who hasn't played much football in a while, who is constantly battling injuries because (I bet) he's probably not keeping up with his conditioning, and who probably isn't all that motivated to work hard anyway because he's too busy diving into his "Scrooge McDuck Money Vault".

So since you want to talk about it (I didn't even bring it up) Yes, steelbtexan DeShaun Watson is NOW one seriously overrated QB. For some reason the Cleveland Browns didn't see this. Probably because it was concealed under the small mountain of red flags that were blocking their view.

I'm sure glad they went for it though.
They went just as far in the playoffs with Hoyer as they did with Derrick and a bunch of hollow empty stats didn't really mean much to the overall success of the franchise.

The great 4-12 season where he put up great stats should tell us that he was a stat guy whose game doesn't lead to wins in the NFL. I mean freaking Mills won as many games as Derrick did the yr after Derrick took his sabbatical. That should tell you all you need to know.

I'm glad things turned out the way they did although I have empathy for the women he was preying on. Why because you can't win championships with a guy like Derrick being your team's leader and the fact that this lead to Stroud/WA/Stingley etc.. instead of the one and done playoff teams lead by BOB and Derrick. You know young stars and young coaches where winning is the most important thing. Instead of chasing hoes and bringing baby's mamma's to practice when they weren't outright faking injuries to get out of practice. Looking at you Hopkins/Clowney.

The Texans are in such a better place since they were forced to flush all of the trash down the toilet. Finally they appear to have gotten a GM/HC/QB that are all on the same page and are singularly focused on winning for the first time since the franchises inception. Finally the future is bright down on Kirby.
 
Much as we joke, and in some cases don't joke, about Hannah honestly I think things started to change when Caserio was hired. Not to say he hasn't made mistakes but from the moment he walked in you could almost see Cal sign with relief and start thinking about all those X-Box games he has on his backlog he could catch up with now. Whether a decision was right or wrong you at least felt like it was Caserio's decision and he was calling the shots. Took two strikes but on the last coaching hire he finally hit a homerun and then they both hit a grand slam (CJ, WA, Dell) in their first draft.
Caserio also did well in the previous 2 yrs in the draft before last yrs draft.
 
They went just as far in the playoffs with Hoyer as they did with Derrick and a bunch of hollow empty stats didn't really mean much to the overall success of the franchise.

The great 4-12 season where he put up great stats should tell us that he was a stat guy whose game doesn't lead to wins in the NFL. I mean freaking Mills won as many games as Derrick did the yr after Derrick took his sabbatical. That should tell you all you need to know.

I'm glad things turned out the way they did although I have empathy for the women he was preying on. Why because you can't win championships with a guy like Derrick being your team's leader and the fact that this lead to Stroud/WA/Stingley etc.. instead of the one and done playoff teams lead by BOB and Derrick. You know young stars and young coaches where winning is the most important thing. Instead of chasing hoes and bringing baby's mamma's to practice when they weren't outright faking injuries to get out of practice. Looking at you Hopkins/Clowney.

The Texans are in such a better place since they were forced to flush all of the trash down the toilet. Finally they appear to have gotten a GM/HC/QB that are all on the same page and are singularly focused on winning for the first time since the franchises inception. Finally the future is bright down on Kirby.

Well then hell, how can we really think all that much of Stroud? We went no further in the playoffs with him than we did with Watson or Hoyer right? RIGHT? It almost seems like results beyond a certain point in the NFL might depend on more than just the Saint, Journeyman, or Devil playing QB. Sorry I even commented on your obsession. It was clearly a mistake. This is Texans Talk and Watson ain't a Texan anymore so I'm done on the subject. I too am glad he's gone. I too feel bad for the women he preyed on. He was a turd and is better off flushed. I think you confuse the person with the persons game and the persons game with the end results of the team but that's my opinion as opposed to yours. On the individual we're entirely in-step.
 
Caserio also did well in the previous 2 yrs in the draft before last yrs draft.

Again here we don't entirely agree but yeah, I can see good and bad in places. Davis Mills was worth a shot I guess. That he then reeled in Nico Collins and Brevin Jordan was kind of sweet. When you don't get a pick until the third round it's so hard to judge a guy on his early picks (he ain't got any!) but 3 "contributors" with one looking like a stud is pretty damn good. The next year is more of a mixed bag to me. Stingley plays well. If he doesn't exit the league too early it may even be worth the risk they took. Green is a non-factor and that can't happen in round one. Pitre looked great and then looked lost and Metchie gets another season to see if he can play football again. Love Christian Harris and I'm sad that Dameon Pierce doesn't seem to fit our new offense. These are not bad drafts though. It looks like he crushed 2023 but some of that may just come from working with smarter people in the room like DeMeco and his assistants .

Clearly getting input from Lovie Smith, Tim Kelly, and Jack Easterby wasn't helping matters much.
 
Well then hell, how can we really think all that much of Stroud? We went no further in the playoffs with him than we did with Watson or Hoyer right? RIGHT? It almost seems like results beyond a certain point in the NFL might depend on more than just the Saint, Journeyman, or Devil playing QB. Sorry I even commented on your obsession. It was clearly a mistake. This is Texans Talk and Watson ain't a Texan anymore so I'm done on the subject. I too am glad he's gone. I too feel bad for the women he preyed on. He was a turd and is better off flushed. I think you confuse the person with the persons game and the persons game with the end results of the team but that's my opinion as opposed to yours. On the individual we're entirely in-step.
It's good to agree to disagree.

I will leave this topic with this.

The teams that Hoyer/Derrick played on were much better squad's than what Stroud had to work with down on Kirby.

Nuk/OD/Foster/Andre/WFV etc... Give Stroud those kinds of weapons and this team is a SB contender.
 
People forget he was new to his role this year too. He made some errors in playcalling which should’ve been expected, but I think the biggest thing hampering him as a play caller is that he doesn’t have a run game he can lean on……..at least right now he doesn’t.

CJ made Slowik look a little better than he was as a play caller b/c he could still largely deliver the goods without a run game. Reality is Despite the numbers its qbs tend to put up, THE SHANAHAN VERSION OF THE WCO IS A RUN 1ST OFFENSE. Everything flows off the play action and you need to be able to run the ball to see this offense reach its full potential. Now when you have an elite level qb like Stroud, you can still get away with not having a great run game…in the regular season, but when the playoffs come around, you need the defense to equally fear your run and pass game.

Where Slowik and Meco for that matter need to get better is in adjusting. Slowik should’ve incorporated more of the quick & intermediate game in the 2nd half to augment what little run game we could muster. I also would’ve liked to see Pierce get a carry or 2 on some outside zone stuff as he is a load to bring down.
 
Again here we don't entirely agree but yeah, I can see good and bad in places. Davis Mills was worth a shot I guess. That he then reeled in Nico Collins and Brevin Jordan was kind of sweet. When you don't get a pick until the third round it's so hard to judge a guy on his early picks (he ain't got any!) but 3 "contributors" with one looking like a stud is pretty damn good. The next year is more of a mixed bag to me. Stingley plays well. If he doesn't exit the league too early it may even be worth the risk they took. Green is a non-factor and that can't happen in round one. Pitre looked great and then looked lost and Metchie gets another season to see if he can play football again. Love Christian Harris and I'm sad that Dameon Pierce doesn't seem to fit our new offense. These are not bad drafts though. It looks like he crushed 2023 but some of that may just come from working with smarter people in the room like DeMeco and his assistants .

Clearly getting input from Lovie Smith, Tim Kelly, and Jack Easterby wasn't helping matters much.
Injuries to Metchie/Stingley/Green derailed this class.

However Stingley played very well when he came back from injury and I think we should afford Green the same opportunity. I'm afraid Metchie is never going to be a difference make.

Hopefully Petrie will be better in his 2nd season in Ryans system. He was playing better the last few games after getting benched.

Caserio drafted Pierce for Lovie's system and he doesn't fit in Slowik's system. Hopefully he can find a way to become a contributor, but
I've got my doubts.
 
People forget he was new to his role this year too. He made some errors in playcalling which should’ve been expected, but I think the biggest thing hampering him as a play caller is that he doesn’t have a run game he can lean on……..at least right now he doesn’t.

CJ made Slowik look a little better than he was as a play caller b/c he could still largely deliver the goods without a run game. Reality is Despite the numbers its qbs tend to put up, THE SHANAHAN VERSION OF THE WCO IS A RUN 1ST OFFENSE. Everything flows off the play action and you need to be able to run the ball to see this offense reach its full potential. Now when you have an elite level qb like Stroud, you can still get away with not having a great run game…in the regular season, but when the playoffs come around, you need the defense to equally fear your run and pass game.

Where Slowik and Meco for that matter need to get better is in adjusting. Slowik should’ve incorporated more of the quick & intermediate game in the 2nd half to augment what little run game we could muster. I also would’ve liked to see Pierce get a carry or 2 on some outside zone stuff as he is a load to bring down.
If you want to fix the offense sign Trent Brown in FA andd draft Brian Thomas and Trey Benson. Also bring back Schultz and I would draft either Issac Rex or Jared Wiley at TE with one of those late rd picks.
 
Injuries to Metchie/Stingley/Green derailed this class.

However Stingley played very well when he came back from injury and I think we should afford Green the same opportunity. I'm afraid Metchie is never going to be a difference make.

Hopefully Petrie will be better in his 2nd season in Ryans system. He was playing better the last few games after getting benched.

Caserio drafted Pierce for Lovie's system and he doesn't fit in Slowik's system. Hopefully he can find a way to become a contributor, but
I've got my doubts.


Concerned that both Green and Pierce aren’t scheme fits. Feel like Linderbaum and Zion were both excellent fits for the Shanny scheme they’re running now but unfortunately not seen as fits in the Pep Hamilton gap scheme. Hope i’m wrong and Green can make it happen.

Metchie wasn’t drafted to be a difference maker. He’s never been a difference maker. He’s a reliable chain mover at his best. Another reason moving up for him was a head scratcher.

Pitre I hope is a sophomore slump and they can coach him up. Very disappointed that the big plays he made this season were given up to the other team. I thought he’d be an impact player this season. His starting job is not safe anymore. If the team can find an upgrade they should. Let him compete for those snaps.
 
CJ made Slowik look a little better than he was as a play caller b/c he could still largely deliver the goods without a run game. Reality is Despite the numbers its qbs tend to put up, THE SHANAHAN VERSION OF THE WCO IS A RUN 1ST OFFENSE. Everything flows off the play action and you need to be able to run the ball to see this offense reach its full potential. Now when you have an elite level qb like Stroud, you can still get away with not having a great run game…in the regular season, but when the playoffs come around, you need the defense to equally fear your run and pass game.
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I haven't talked about Derricks play since he got traded. At least that's what I remember, or if I did it was probably in relation to the draft picks.

Now many times I've brought up that he's a sexual predator, POS and I'm going to keep doing this because despite some wanting his actions to be swept under the rug, I want this POS actions to be kept out there for all to see in the court of public opinion.

As long as the mods don’t have an issue and you’re within rules talk about what you want. Message boards, social media etc, if you don’t like it keep scrolling.

When we drafted Stroud I was excited, ecstatic, you on the other hand had your doubts, (you’ve since had your heaping of crow) but I never once wanted you to shut up, I just disengaged and kept moving. Talk about the “oily baby pose one“ all you want.
 
I believe very few people would succeed in Carolina.

IF anyone goes there and succeeds given the circumstances... Id say they are a coaching legend.

IF Slow does go there then he is either confident his legacy starts now or he is an idiot.
Didn't they hire a new GM? What do we know about him?

It would be disingenuous to suggest the Panthers have never had success, or never will again.

They're in a bad situation now. Who knows how fast it will turn around?

There are only 32 of these jobs out there, it wouldn't be my first choice, but life changing money makes people do crazy things.
 
When the smoke clears from everyone playing musical coaches, I'm sure DeMeco and Casino will have put together a good coaching team. They did it once, so, theoretically, they should be able to do it again. DeMeco and CJ Stroud will attract good coaches.

In DeMeco we trust. Don't lose sight of that and you'll be fine. :)
 
Didn't they hire a new GM? What do we know about him?

It would be disingenuous to suggest the Panthers have never had success, or never will again.

They're in a bad situation now. Who knows how fast it will turn around?

There are only 32 of these jobs out there, it wouldn't be my first choice, but life changing money makes people do crazy things.
Never said they didnt have success or ever would again.

Simply that in its current state AND circumstances under a meddling owner that overrides the new coaches wants AND fires them in short time to do anything with that choice is a circumstance that is less than ideal for a coach.

Can it be turned around? Yes.
Can it be turned around when the owner picks against a coaches will so he has no say in direction of personnel? Yes, but it takes time, something Tepper did not give Riech time. I don't believe Riech was/is a great coach HOWEVER, Tepper hired him so he, at least at one point believed he was.

What is disingenuous is to hire a man and not give him room to work, the tools he says he needs.... or at the very least.... time to work with what you force on him. You use him as a scape goat for your failures.

"Life changing money" loses its meaning when those involved are already making comfortable salaries so its also disingenuous to act as if these coaches up until HC positions are just barely scraping by with minimum wage and are struggling to get by until that glorious day they make it to HC.

Until Tepper steos back or at the very least pulls his head out of his backside, the current HC position there is set up for failure without a crap ton of luck... or an amazing level of skill that allows one to turn spoiled potatoes into lemonade.
 
Didn't they hire a new GM? What do we know about him?

It would be disingenuous to suggest the Panthers have never had success, or never will again.

They're in a bad situation now. Who knows how fast it will turn around?

There are only 32 of these jobs out there, it wouldn't be my first choice, but life changing money makes people do crazy things.
Taking the Carolina job means you believe in Young.
 
Sometimes, change is good. Look what it did for the Ravens. Their offensive DNA is still bullyball. But the passing game has smoothed Jackson's rough edges. Much more comfortable in the pocket. Credit to new OC Todd Monken.
Why ain't that guy interviewing for HC positions?

I have no idea if he is or not.
 
Can it be turned around? Yes.
Can it be turned around when the owner picks against a coaches will so he has no say in direction of personnel? Yes, but it takes time, something Tepper did not give Riech time. I don't believe Riech was/is a great coach HOWEVER, Tepper hired him so he, at least at one point believed he was.

What is disingenuous is to hire a man and not give him room to work, the tools he says he needs.... or at the very least.... time to work with what you force on him. You use him as a scape goat for your failures.
I can imagine the Panthers fans saying similar things about Houston the last two years.
 
I can imagine the Panthers fans saying similar things about Houston the last two years.
Its what Panthers fans are saying now about their own owner/team as I was reading over down times and morbid curiosity what their consensus is after a season of Bryce.

I don't follow the Panthers so I trust the input of those that do.

The overwhelming consensus seems to be that Reich wanted the right guy in Stroud, but Tepper forced his hand on the wonder midget. Then held Reich accountable for the mistake he made.

I know coaches dont get 100% say but when you hire a man he says "A is the right choice, I want A" and you have an owner that says "You will take B and like it" then when your hire is proven right in his choice but you fire him because your mistake rather than being an owner that says "my mistake" (behind closed doors and giving the guy time to correct and reverse your blunder since an owner may not be able to admit error in public for such a blunder) that is NOT a mindset set up to be a desired destination for guys that know they can succeed and turn even the ugliest of wrecks into a work of art... but wont likely be given time if they go there.

Again, can it be fixed? Yes.
It wont be a pretty process and you need to give coaches the room to work. If you have an owner unwillimg to do that or give time then IMO failure is inevitable until enough people have made baby steps in the right direction, been fired and multiple coaches down the line THEN you can step in and possibly succeed.

Anyone at this point is likely their Crennel, Culley, Lovie....after the dumpster fire OB left this place. Yes. We went from 31st to playoffs, but we also didn't go from dumpster fire to sure victory either in one season, first the fire had to be put out, then debris cleared... then a new vision.

Maybe in 3 seasons they have their sudden turn around by hiring their Ryans.... just dont see it being their next hire unless Tepper has a major epiphany and allows those he hires to do what he pays them for. According to the fans, I have a better chance of winning the lottery, investing, becoming a billionaire, buying the Panthers and correcting the issues myself than Tepper putting his ego aside and learning/admitting his mistake and stepping back
 
The overwhelming consensus seems to be that Reich wanted the right guy in Stroud, but Tepper forced his hand on the wonder midget. Then held Reich accountable for the mistake he made
If the problem is truly as systemic as you're saying S2roud would have looked like the wrong pick.

If picking S2roud would have fixed all their problems, they aren't as bad off as their fans are saying.
 
It's not like Monken is a young whippersnapper. He's been around. This is his 3rd NFL OC gig. Sometimes it's just the right system for the right team.
Yeah, I just want to get him out of Baltimore so we can get back to the old can't win from the pocket Lamar.
 
If the problem is truly as systemic as you're saying S2roud would have looked like the wrong pick.

If picking S2roud would have fixed all their problems, they aren't as bad off as their fans are saying.
Would you say he would have looked as bad as Bryce though?

Lets say that the Panthers had taken Stroud. He likely wouldn't have recieved as much praise being drafted by the Panthers, but he certainly would have proven to be worthy of building around him.

However, since the owner stuck his nose in and its shown what Stroud CAN be in season one and the hope that would have offered his fan base he didnt even give the HC he chose time to build around Bryce, the QB he chose.

Just a mindset that you didn't turn this sewage into wine in less than one season. You're gone

IF I were a coordinator going into my first HC position Id like to think I had some belief in job security of at least one season and the best possible scenario for success or at the very least a circumstance that would offer me a body of work that provided opportunity for another headcoaching gig, if not immediately after. Not long after.

Now, ne myself where I am now Ud absolutely take the millions from Tepper, do as he said and go out the door half an abysmal season later retiring off into the sunset, but Id be taking the money and running.... coaching isnt my career.

Id think someone that worked their way up would have more ambition than to make one payday and vanish into obscurity.
 
Would you say he would have looked as bad as Bryce though?

Lets say that the Panthers had taken Stroud. He likely wouldn't have recieved as much praise being drafted by the Panthers, but he certainly would have proven to be worthy of building around him.

However, since the owner stuck his nose in and its shown what Stroud CAN be in season one and the hope that would have offered his fan base he didnt even give the HC he chose time to build around Bryce, the QB he chose.

Just a mindset that you didn't turn this sewage into wine in less than one season. You're gone

IF I were a coordinator going into my first HC position Id like to think I had some belief in job security of at least one season and the best possible scenario for success or at the very least a circumstance that would offer me a body of work that provided opportunity for another headcoaching gig, if not immediately after. Not long after.

Now, ne myself where I am now Ud absolutely take the millions from Tepper, do as he said and go out the door half an abysmal season later retiring off into the sunset, but Id be taking the money and running.... coaching isnt my career.

Id think someone that worked their way up would have more ambition than to make one payday and vanish into obscurity.
Again, you're explaining the situation DeMeco walked into.
 
Again, you're explaining the situation DeMeco walked into.
No, Meco walked into the situation with a #2 overall pick, which the Panthers HC will not have. After Crennel, Culley and Lovie Smith cleaned up the mess left by OB that can only be dealt with in time (given up draft picks for example) clear draft situation and job security due to the owner giving time, having a PR nightmare firing all three of those previous men. Meco also is an ex Texan meaning the fans instantly love the move furthering job security.

Both situations may both be red but one is an apple and the other a tomato. Both are fruits but if you cant see the differences I clearly cant help you see it.
 
Slowick is not ready for a HC’ing gig, but if an owner wants to roll the dice on a rookie coordinator…..then it’s their money and prerogative.

Personally, if I were Slowick I’d stay for another season and improve the consistency/play calling for the offense. This should help in regards to the money offered b/c each and every season a coaching vacancy should open.
Please let somebody hire him I got so tired of watching runs up the middle nearly every 1 & 2 downs for no gain. He wouldn’t let Stroud play his game
 
They have the #2 overall pick with what is generally viewed as a stronger QB Draft than year,
right ?
Does that scenario sound familiar: I bet it sounds real familiar to the Washington ownership ?
And of course Slowick is the guy most of all credited with making the most of that scenario in
Houston with last year's #2 pick.
I rest my case.
A couple of points and one with a different perspective that speaks to Slowik's genius. (1) Slowik and Peters worked together in SF and WASH has the most cap space available. (2) Everyone is talking about and making a big to-do about C. J. Stroud. The thing that stood out to me was Slowik took Nico Collins who for 2 years had been nothing more than just an average and ordinary WR and turned him into a premier WR in the NFL.
 
A couple of points and one with a different perspective that speaks to Slowik's genius. (1) Slowik and Peters worked together in SF and WASH has the most cap space available. (2) Everyone is talking about and making a big to-do about C. J. Stroud. The thing that stood out to me was Slowik took Nico Collins who for 2 years had been nothing more than just an average and ordinary WR and turned him into a premier WR in the NFL.

Or Stroud did…
 
A couple of points and one with a different perspective that speaks to Slowik's genius. (1) Slowik and Peters worked together in SF and WASH has the most cap space available. (2) Everyone is talking about and making a big to-do about C. J. Stroud. The thing that stood out to me was Slowik took Nico Collins who for 2 years had been nothing more than just an average and ordinary WR and turned him into a premier WR in the NFL.

Your second point is like reading the book and pretending to know everything about it by just reading the back cover.

For the first two years Nico battled injuries. He also was catching a ball from Davis Mills. Mills had trouble with basic sideline throws.

Also - Pep Hamilton and Tim Kelly we’re the OCs. Both not in the NFL currently because of their previous work. Slowik is going to look like DaVinci compared to those two who struggled with painting by number work sheets.

You know this though.

Every player gets better when you add a superstar to the roster. In all sports. It’s crazy to think otherwise.
 
Nico went from having a guy who couldn’t hit the broad side of a barn from 10 ft, to a guy that can hit a nailhead on the same barn from 50 feet.

I also think Slowik helped tremendously with scheming him open, something the previous staffs couldn’t seem to do.

it’s going to be a big loss if Slowik moves on. I don’t get the Slowik hate whatsoever. The guy took this offense from 31st to 12th with a rookie QB, nobody at RB, and a WR room among the leagues worst. What in the hell are you guys talking about? Utter nonsense.
 
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