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steelbtexan said:
Not surprised.

Bengals season is over.

Who do they bring in? Matt Ryan or Carson Wentz?
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I think Davis Mills would be good to fill in.

I don’t think we could get a 3rd but maybe a 4th or 5th would be reasonable.

But then again - the way Stroud is being sacked and Stroud already has a bad shoulder, the Texans may want to hold onto him.
 
IDEXAN said:
It's "not out of the question" that Aaron Rodgers could return this season, sources said, but he has not and will not put a specific timeline on his return.

Rams running back Cam Akers tore his Achilles and came back faster than virtually any professional athlete: just under five months. Rodgers tore his Achilles on Sept. 11 -- exactly five months before this season's Super Bowl in Las Vegas.
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Sources: Possibility QB Rodgers returns this year

It's "not out of the question" that Aaron Rodgers could return this season from his torn Achilles, sources said, though the play of the Jets and Zach Wilson could influence the timeline.
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I dunno is that possibility, eh I mean a realistic possibility ?
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The technique used on Akers and Rodgers has been around since 2014. It requires a specialized foreign body implant. It has shown to give a stronger repair in that the tension of the repair is distributed widely compared to the standard technique. It must be performed with open technique, not by minimal invasive approach. When it works, it can work very well. But it has its own significant host of potential complications. Most studies include mostly older patients, not a large group of athletes. Consistency is yet to be proven in an elite athlete. Akers did manage to return in 5 1/2 months, but his return performances that season/postseason was certainly less than impressive. It wasnt until midseason last year that he showed significant carries and commendable performance.
 
Just as I thought Jerruh couldn't make a more stupid comment, he outdoes himself.........

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Jerry Jones attempts to justify NFL’s use of artificial turf
By Mike Florio
Published September 18, 2023 11:57 AM

Players prefer grass to turf. Generally, and specifically. Indeed, we’re still waiting to see or hear from even any one current player who prefers fake to real.

Cowboys quarterback Dak Prescott made his preference for grass clear last week, linking his 2020 broken ankle to the turf at AT&T Stadium. On Sunday, the man who owns the stadium and the field and the plastic grass was asked about the issue.

“We’ll continue to do really what we’ve always done,” Cowboys owner Jerry Jones told reporters after the 30-10 win over the Jets. “That is evaluate, and we do. I’ve served over 30 years on a lot of committees that go over the impact of grass as it pertains to injury and it looks like the obvious answer what it is, but that’s not what it is.”

The NFL loves to make the obvious into something non-obvious, whenever the obvious motivation is to save some money. Which is what Jones is doing by using a surface that permits quick and easy shifting for other events that generate revenue on the 350 or so days per year when the Cowboys aren’t using the place.

The weakest plank for the NFL in its flimsy effort to justify less-safe playing surfaces comes from the willingness of Jones and his ilk to bow down to FIFA and install a grass pitch for World Cup soccer. He apparently wasn’t asked about that on Sunday.

Perhaps, if this debate continues, he will be pressed to address the question of why he’s willing to spend the money for a grass field when the men playing on it are not his employees who would prefer playing on grass.
 
CloakNNNdagger said:
The technique used on Akers and Rodgers has been around since 2014. It requires a specialized foreign body implant. It has shown to give a stronger repair in that the tension of the repair is distributed widely compared to the standard technique. It must be performed with open technique, not by minimal invasive approach. When it works, it can work very well. But it has its own significant host of potential complications. Most studies include mostly older patients, not a large group of athletes. Consistency is yet to be proven in an elite athlete. Akers did manage to return in 5 1/2 months, but his return performances that season/postseason was certainly less than impressive. It wasnt until midseason last year that he showed significant carries and commendable performance.
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As always thanks for your professional expertise C&D.
 
TexansBull said:
I think Davis Mills would be good to fill in.

I don’t think we could get a 3rd but maybe a 4th or 5th would be reasonable.

But then again - the way Stroud is being sacked and Stroud already has a bad shoulder, the Texans may want to hold onto him.
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We got Case here if Stroud goes down. Don’t ever need to see Mills again and if the Texans can get anything for him, do that yesterday.
 
TexansBull said:
I think Davis Mills would be good to fill in.

I don’t think we could get a 3rd but maybe a 4th or 5th would be reasonable.

But then again - the way Stroud is being sacked and Stroud already has a bad shoulder, the Texans may want to hold onto him.
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If we can get a fourth round pick for Davis Mill I'm going for it!
 
Texansballer74 said:
Chubb’s injury. Probably career ending.
View attachment 12675his 2nd
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This is 2nd multiligament knee injury. It's the same leg in which Chubb tore the PCL (posterior cruciate ligament), MCL (medial collateral) and LCL (lateral collateral) and suffered cartilage damage in a game against Tennessee in 2015 while he was at Georgia.

I worry about the circulation to his lower leg.
 
CloakNNNdagger said:
This is 2nd multiligament knee injury. It's the same leg in which Chubb tore the PCL (posterior cruciate ligament), MCL (medial collateral) and LCL (lateral collateral) and suffered cartilage damage in a game against Tennessee in 2015 while he was at Georgia.

I worry about the circulation to his lower leg.
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Are you referring to compartment syndrome? I’m wondering if knee replacement is the better option, just to live a normal life.
 
CloakNNNdagger said:
This is 2nd multiligament knee injury. It's the same leg in which Chubb tore the PCL (posterior cruciate ligament), MCL (medial collateral) and LCL (lateral collateral) and suffered cartilage damage in a game against Tennessee in 2015 while he was at Georgia.

I worry about the circulation to his lower leg.
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Fortunately the word I've gotten is that the popliteal artery is intact and his lower leg circulation appears to be good.
 
It will be interesting to see if the League does what it would do to punish any other player for such actions as Watson demonstrated last night.

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NFL will evaluate and discuss “all plays” involving Deshaun Watson infractions on Tuesday
Published September 19, 2023 09:24 AM

Browns quarterback Deshaun Watson had a rough Monday. He could also have a rough Tuesday.
Watson committed not one but two egregious facemask fouls in Pittsburgh, grabbing a pursuing defender by the cage and throwing him to the ground. As Chris Simms and I discussed on
Tuesday’s PFT Live, Watson seemed to be frustrated — either by the fact that he can no longer run away from pursuing defenders or by whatever opposing players are saying to him in close quarters about his off-field issues, or both.

When has any player had two blatant facemask fouls in one game? When has a quarterback ever had one? It’s one of the original safety rules, dating back to long before the years when the NFL downplayed and denied the risks of concussions.

Even a minor grab and tug of a face mask gets penalized and fined. Watson took it to the next level, twice, throwing players down to the turf.

Then there was Watson’s shove of an official during the scrum that broke out after his first facemask penalty. (And, yes, it was a shove.) Contact with an official always requires ejection.

It could, coupled with everything else, result in a suspension — in theory.
Would the NFL suspend a franchise quarterback (or at least a quarterback who is paid like one)?

The officials might have looked the other way when he should have been ejected. Will the powers-that-be be influenced by his status and importance to his team and the game in fashioning a penalty?

Whatever happens, someone needs to calm him down. Something got under his skin last night, and it stayed there. Future opponents will surely try to replicate that, each and every week, until he shows that it’s not frustrating him.
 
Deshaun Watson shoved an official, wasn’t ejected or flagged
By Michael David Smith
Published September 19, 2023 06:41 AM

Browns quarterback Deshaun Watson got away with shoving an official during Monday night’s game.

In the third quarter, Watson was flagged for unnecessary roughness for grabbing the facemask of Pittsburgh’s Kwon Alexander and holding onto it even after both players were out of bounds on the Steelers’ sideline. After the play, Watson lingered near the sideline and exchanged words with the Steelers.

At that point umpire Barry Anderson stepped in front of Watson and tried to direct him back to the field, and Watson shoved Anderson to the side to continue jawing with Steelers players.

Watson was not flagged for the shove, even though the NFL rulebook says under the “Prohibited acts” section that “Under no circumstance is a player allowed to shove, push, or strike an official” and that “The player shall be disqualified from the game.”

The officials would have been well within their authority to eject Watson for the action, and the fact that he wasn’t even assessed a penalty seems like a blown call. The league office may hand down its own discipline.
 
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Browns QB Deshaun Watson on '(expletive)' performance against Steelers: 'Not good enough'
Published: Sep 19, 2023 at 08:09 AM
Kevin Patra
Around the NFL Writer

The Cleveland Browns' $230 million quarterback played like a $12 quarterback in Monday night's 26-22 loss to rival Pittsburgh.

Deshaun Watson accounted for three of the Browns' four turnovers, including a first-play pick-six and a game-losing fumble returned for a touchdown by T.J. Watt. Watson was also called for two massive 15-yard facemask penalties. The high-priced quarterback knows he can't make those mistakes for the Browns to be successful.

"Still coming along," Watson said after the game when asked how he feels he's playing right now. "I feel like, tonight, it was s----- as far as that. There's some plays that we capitalized and we did good, but as far as my part, it's not good enough. I put that on me. The first play, yeah, we can get into the tactics of receiver running out and putting the ball out, and this, that and the third, but I got to give him a better ball. The forced fumble for a touchdown for them. We can say, 'This guy can do this,' but I've got to protect the ball. We're not going to put it on anyone else. You put it on me. I can take the full blame, I can take the criticism and I'm going to do that."
 
Surprise, surprise!!!!!!!!!!!!! "INADVERTENT CONTACT"!!!!

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NFL: Deshaun Watson’s contact with official “did not rise to the level of a foul”
By Mike Florio
Published September 19, 2023 01:12 PM

The NFL has a very strict and clear rule regarding player contact with officials. Unless it doesn’t.

Here’s the rule: “Under no circumstance is a player allowed to shove, push, or strike an official in an offensive, disrespectful, or unsportsmanlike manner. The player shall be disqualified from the game, and any such action must be reported to the Commissioner, who may impose further discipline.”

On Monday night, during a sideline skirmish after the first of two flagrant facemask fouls by Browns quarterback Deshaun Watson (technically, he could have been ejected for either one), Watson shoved an official away from him. He was not ejected.

“In the judgment of the officials, the contact did not rise to the level of a foul,” the NFL explained on Tuesday. “The officials are called upon to maintain order on the field, and sometimes while performing those duties, there is inadvertent contact between players and officials.”

The rule doesn’t have an “inadvertent contact” exception. however. If a player is shoving people in his immediate vicinity and inadvertently shoves an official, that’s still a violation.

Even if there is an “inadvertent contact” exception, what about the contact was inadvertent? An official was trying to push Watson in a direction he didn’t want to go, so Watson eventually pushed the official away.

Watch the video. An official was in Watson’s face, pushing him away from the Pittsburgh sideline. Once Watson had enough, he shoved the official away.

The easy explanation is that the NFL didn’t want to deprive one team of its starting quarterback during a prime-time, standalone game. Last year, the NFL expressly cited the link between the availability of starting quarterbacks and high TV ratings in explaining the hair trigger for roughing the passer fouls.

apparently going to take a lot for a starting quarterback to get ejected. Indeed, if anyone else had done what Watson did (other than Steelers quarterback Kenny Pickett) he surely would have been suspended.
 
When asked about the facemask calls..............SMH.......

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"I apologized to the team. That’s a 15-yard penalty for us, and it set us back," Watson said. "Both times was my fault. As far as the face mask and things like that, I’m stiff-arming just like everyone else.

"I got to do a better job of hitting them with the palm, I guess. And just releasing as much as I can, so we don’t get those penalties."
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Speedy said:
Well, to be fair, that’s exactly why the NFL doesn’t want to pay RBs higher salaries.
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I don't think it's specifically because of injuries, injuries happen to players of all positions.

I think it's more about how fungible RBs are, particularly earlier in their careers, and especially as that relates to their contract value to production ratio.

The injury aspect is a factor, but I believe that's more taken into account in terms of wear and tear after playing the position for so many years as a guy starts getting older and is looking to cash in on a higher value 2nd or 3rd contract. And then we get back to being able to simply find a younger/cheaper option that is in more plug and play abundance than any other position in the game.

I wonder if there might be a solution, if it were to allow RBs to negotiate for their 2nd contracts a year or two earlier than other positions, and limiting them to only 1 or 2 franchise tags at most. Waiting until after their 3rd year to re-up and being able to be tagged 3 times could potentially make a player 28 before their 2nd contract, which is a death knell for the position in negotiations.

Of course the entire union would have to be in agreement to begin with and that may just be a bridge too far. It may just ultimately be a market situation like any other that will either change over time or it won't.
 
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djohn2oo8 said:
Players on opposing defenses will notice and up the ante on him.
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One of my Philly media acquaintances has related to me that there were Steelers players were shouting out reminders to Watson throughout the game as to his perversions and that he should be wearing a different type orange uniform and they're going to kill him because he plays like "*****" and how he sucks as much as a quarterback as a he does a person.

I suspect the Steelers players won't be the last to entertain Watson's ears during future games.
 
Mollywhopper said:
I don't think it's specifically because of injuries, injuries happen to players of all positions.

I think it's more about how fungible RBs are, particularly earlier in their careers, and especially as that relates to their contract value to production ratio.

The injury aspect is a factor, but I believe that's more taken into account in terms of wear and tear after playing the position for so many years as a guy starts getting older and is looking to cash in on a higher value 2nd or 3rd contract. And then we get back to being able to simply find a younger/cheaper option that is in more plug and play abundance than any other position in the game.

I wonder if there might be a solution, if it were to allow RBs to negotiate for their 2nd contracts a year or two earlier than other positions, and limiting them to only 1 or 2 franchise tags at most. Waiting until after their 3rd year to re-up and being able to be tagged 3 times could potentially make a player 28 before their 2nd contract, which is a death knell for the position in negotiations.

Of course the entire union would have to be in agreement to begin with and that may just be a bridge too far. It may just ultimately be a market situation like any other that will either change over time or it won't.
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The RBs though take the most punishment of any position. And not just all the hits by defenders but hitting the ground too, 15, 18, 20 or more times per game. That's why their shelf life is so short. So not specific to injuries per se, it's just that the tread on the tires thins quickly.

And no, I have no clue what the solution is.
 
DanielTx said:
www.carolinahuddle.com

Bryce Young sucks

Trash qb
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I didn't watch the game.

But watching these highlights, looks like the Saints secondary had everything on lockdown. He's just got so much time in the pocket. Neither AR15 or Stroud has that kind of protection.

Still, he's not making bad decisions with the ball. A lot of stuff to clean up, those fumbles... but I'd like to see the All-22 before I say more.
 
thunderkyss said:
I didn't watch the game.

But watching these highlights, looks like the Saints secondary had everything on lockdown. He's just got so much time in the pocket. Neither AR15 or Stroud has that kind of protection.

Still, he's not making bad decisions with the ball. A lot of stuff to clean up, those fumbles... but I'd like to see the All-22 before I say more.
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I watched the game half-heartedly.
B Young didn't seem to be very comfortable or cool.
Seems like he's thinking too much at times.
 
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