So just start Keenum. Play the QB that gives you the best chance to win.
From last week -
If it were my decision, Keenum would be the starter for now with CJ being #2
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So just start Keenum. Play the QB that gives you the best chance to win.
If it were my decision, Keenum would be the starter for now with CJ being #2
If you start Stroud now, Stroud will be the QB with the best chance to win in the 2nd half of the season. He's got to learn his lessons at some point.
Facts!Start CJ he’s the future.
Game reps are invaluable!
Like I said, I'm rooting for the guy. I don't see it as overstated. Everything seems to be revealing what's been said.I think the concerns over his diminished performance under pressure or relying on elite WR's for success are overstated. He'll be fine.
No kidding. Sheesh. 2 buddies went to game but left before halftime.A lot of the players currently on the field won't be making the team.
I don't think anyone's panicking. I'm saying we are just Irritated on these players not being better than they appear to be..Let's don't Panic over a pre season game with mostly back ups....Right?
He made a play under pressure when a defender penetrated and was about to sack him. Stroud pump faked and passed to (I believe) Schultz. He turned a sack into a gain.
I think the concerns over his diminished performance under pressure or relying on elite WR's for success are overstated. He'll be fine.
CJ is starting. There's no way at this date to take Case from a distant 3rd and then suddenly give him first team reps every day.
I'm not taking a position on what is best; I'm just saying logistically and logically speaking, there is a zero chance Case starts the season as the starter.
I'd hate to have him start then get benched .... that might be the worst option.
Pretty much saying the same thing. The things he did well in college we've seen him do well in the preseason games. The things he didn't do well in college, albeit a small sample size, he hasn't done well in the preseason games, albeit a small sample size.He played pretty darn smart in college. Didn’t have a lot of interception nor was he sacked a lot.
I'm concerned as well. I think very highly of Devin Singletary, but he doesn't look like a man among boys when he's going against the scrubs. Something ain't right with the run game.My biggest concern coming out of this game is running the ball and stopping the run. The offensive running game in particular with the starters in was unproductive and this team will live and die by the run this season.
Saturday I think we watched him do good things under pressure, things that were more reminiscent of his Georgia game vs most of his other tape. Hell even against New England he did some good things under pressure (along with some bad). We've seen him consistently know where his hot route is when the blitz is coming and while he did hold the ball too long a couple of times against the Pats he got the ball out much faster against the Dolphins. Ended up with a time to throw of 2.21 seconds which would have ranked 1st in the NFL last year. Obviously a small sample size and there's no chance that holds true throughout the year but even in the span of 1 week we saw a lot of improvement from StroudI disagree, I believe those concerns are legitimate, especially when you consider the fact that he had the largest differential in passer rating of any QB in the entire NCAA last year between pressure 41 and no pressure 151.
You also cannot discount the talent he had around him was routinely better players / athletes than the guys on the other side if the field.
The New England performance showed us much the same as the college numbers and complicated that by his holding the ball much too long.
He really needs to take a large leap forward to start the season as the #1.
I'd hate to have him start then get benched .... that might be the worst option.
I believe NFL owners giving up a preseason game put more emphasis on intense practices. They will get what they want one way or another.Just an aside comment regarding injuries...............I'm not sure that it is such a great idea to have joint practices, especially 2 in 1 week. The intensity in these practices comes close to that seen in games (which seems to be part of what coaches are wanting to get out of them.) However, many players are getting banged up in these intense practices and many are expected to play in a game just a couple of days later, leading to more or extended injuries. If the short week Thursday Night Football is not a "healthy" option, then the joint practices, especially 2 in 1 week is a worse idea. The NFL will eventually decrease the number of preseason games, while finding a way to heavily monetize joint practices.............and extend the season to 18 regular games.
True but only Janice McNair and I have each other's cell number.I’ll bet you all 32 NFL teams read this forum, too, they are all doubtless extremely interested in everything that gets written about them, but I bet it’s more for marketing reasons than coaching.
It's part of the struggle between Coach and owner.Why is he being so difficult/secretive with naming his starting quarterback?
Quite a few are panicking as well as overthinking something that was said before we drafted CJ.I don't think anyone's panicking. I'm saying we are just Irritated on these players not being better than they appear to be..
Deshaun, is that you?Ball placement is key.... put your balls in the wrong place and bad things happen.
Great that's good info. Any idea of snap counts for those linemen?
He looked pretty good in Buffalo.I'm concerned as well. I think very highly of Devin Singletary, but he doesn't look like a man among boys when he's going against the scrubs. Something ain't right with the run game.
TBF, I am not sure how many great QBs didn't struggle preseason game two but I bet someone knows ..With that in mind I find it hard to believe anyone who says they saw improvement in CJ.
Cj looked good Saturday, that's true. He didn't look good last week. So I get that part of it.
But we already knew he looks good when he's well protected. Yesterday he was well protected.
He looked like rookie Keenum last week under ridiculous amount of pressure.
Everyone struggles under pressure. I understand, but the great QBs, even though they'll struggle from time to time, they generally play well under pressure. They've done so consistently.
That's not Stroud's reputation.
Not really, you saw a very small sample size in his first preseason game. And the way the right side was blocking, not even a vet would’ve done any better.Pretty much saying the same thing. The things he did well in college we've seen him do well in the preseason games. The things he didn't do well in college, albeit a small sample size, he hasn't done well in the preseason games, albeit a small sample size.
I explicitly said it was a small sample size.Not really, you saw a very small sample size in his first preseason game.
Teams are going to blitz Stroud heavy until he shows he will make them pay for itTexans make-shift OL in the first two pre-season games have been blitzed heavily. Good dose of reality for these players to learn from. I believe once the starters are on the field, there'll be a much better scheme against blitzes. I also believe the Texans have a few pieces that could make defenses pay for blitzing too much by scheming in quick slants to Dell, Metchie, Collins, or Schultz.
You can’t truly go off of that is what I’m saying. Too small of a sample size.Let me start over.
I explicitly said it was a small sample size.
What do you think Cj Stroud needs to improve on?
Teams are going to blitz Stroud heavy until he shows he will make them pay for it
Yes they did. The noise coming out of camp was DP improved on his blocking. But the other day he did a terrible job along with the other backs. The offensive line so far is struggling on both fronts, run/pass pro......are they blitzing Stroud because he's a rookie or they know the OL can't stop them? I believe the first couple of blitz calls are to shake up the rookie QB. When they realize the OL can't contain the blitz and there's zero run game to take into consideration.....then it's all engines ahead on blitzes. The backs also looked like they missed the majority of their blitz assignments.
True, but PFF said the ol did a great job in pass pro. LoLYes they did. The noise coming out of camp was DP improved on his blocking. But the other day he did a terrible job along with the other backs. The offensive line so far is struggling on both fronts, run/pass pro.
I believe the only guy he was missing from his starting Oline was Tytus Howard...all the rest are your projected starters. I think there needs to be some communication clear up on oline assignments so that the entire line slides and protects as needed.Texans make-shift OL in the first two pre-season games have been blitzed heavily. Good dose of reality for these players to learn from. I believe once the starters are on the field, there'll be a much better scheme against blitzes. I also believe the Texans have a few pieces that could make defenses pay for blitzing too much by scheming in quick slants to Dell, Metchie, Collins, or Schultz.
Scruggs is a rookie, he's learning on the job.I believe the only guy he was missing from his starting Oline was Tytus Howard...all the rest are your projected starters. I think there needs to be some communication clear up on oline assignments so that the entire line slides and protects as needed.
I think I can when it reinforces what's been said of him coming out of college. & that's all I'm saying.You can’t truly go off of that is what I’m saying. Too small of a sample size.
They're all learning a new system. Scruggs might have been right.Scruggs is a rookie, he's learning on the job.
Schultz is more of a guy who can excute a play rather than being a playmaker.Schultz is an above average TE, IMO. They (TE's) just need to be more a part of the game plan.
Yeah but did you watch those games? Can’t go off of what others said, especially when it wasn’t a large sample size even then. Again his interception were extremely low at 12 out of 830 attempts. One would think that number would be high right. He was only sacked 12 times. It’s being overstatedI thunk I can when it reinforces what's been said of him coming out of college. & that's all I'm saying.
I want to see him perform well under pressure more consistently than he's has in the past.
In this offense, it looks like the Center makes the declaration for the shift and blocking assignments. I asked about that after the first pre-season game because i wasn't sure who was at fault for some of the blown blocking calls, but after the Dolphins game, it's apparent that it was Scruggs making mistakes on line shifts and leaving guys unblocked who shouldn't have been left unblocked. I think if we can get that cleaned up, our line is going to look a LOT better and give Stroud a cleaner pocket within which to do his thing.
Yeah but did you watch those games? Can’t go off of what others said, especially when it wasn’t a large sample size even then. Again his interception were extremely low at 12 out of 830 attempts. One would think that number would be high right. He was only sacked 12 times. It’s being overstated View attachment 12487
You can’t truly go off of that is what I’m saying. Too small of a sample size.
Just going to honest...
There seems to be a certain segment here that fight back against even the smallest critique of Stroud even in cases where it might not even really be a critique.
I mean, even in the screenshot you posted it says right there that Stroud himself wishes he'd have used his legs more.
He's young and imperfect. Its ok. I dont think anyone is calling him a scrub.
If he struggled on that level he would’ve been sacked more and had more turnovers.
I don't want to go back & watch college football games I wasn't interested in when they were live. I want to watch the guy play & say, "I don't know where they got that from." Instead I'm watching saying, "The scouts were right, he needs to work on that."My stance is go look at his games verses going off of what a few geeks from the media or wannabe podcast experts.
Just saw this. I'm pretty sure I was thinking of Brown. Been calling him Moore all preseason for some reason.You'll have to help me out here. I don't recognize the name and checked the roster. I don't find a Moore on the roster. You have a number? I'll have to go back and look. I remember one well thrown ball that the db got his hand around in front to knock it away on a very good defensive play, but don't recall any drops. I'll have to go back and look, later.