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Preseason - TEXANS @ New England

zshawn10 said:
Great breakdown of the INT

https://twitter.com/x/status/1689840132948471809
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Great view of the play though I do not totally agree with the break down.
At least he did mention that CJ also looked left.

The play design didn't help the QB.
Look at how the slot receiver ran his route.
The way he stemmed to the outside helped drawing the safety closer to where the pass was going to be.

It was just a bad play design or execution.
You need to draw up a play where one receiver can lure the safety away from the other receiver.

That was either a bad play design or a poor execution by the receiver(s).

When you see a safety in position to defend two receivers, you know something is not going right for the offense.
 
Again, Stroud indisputably had an abyssmal QB rating.........something we hope he does not pattern after in the future. But for those who want to point to the supposed OL poor performance...............

The metric of the QB RATING takes into account all of a quarterback's contribution to a game, including passing, rushing, sacks, penalties, touchdowns, and turnovers. Moreover, each play is weighted based on its "difficulty", the context of the game, and the strength of the opposing defense.

A poor performance by an OL does not play into the QB rating.......only the QB's response to that play.
 
76Texan said:
Great view of the play though I do not totally agree with the break down.
At least he did mention that CJ also looked left.

The play design didn't help the QB.
Look at how the slot receiver ran his route.
The way he stemmed to the outside helped drawing the safety closer to where the pass was going to be.

It was just a bad play design or execution.
You need to draw up a play where one receiver can lure the safety away from the other receiver.

That was either a bad play design or a poor execution by the receiver(s).

When you see a safety in position to defend two receivers, you know something is not going right for the offense.
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You don't throw the ball there.
 
steelbtexan said:
Nope, he needs to see coverages he's never seen before and get use to the speed of an NFL game. He's the Texans QB and I think they have a really good defense this year. Now is the time to get him experience.

BTW, he played with a better ol, receivers at OSU than he played with tonight and he needs to get used to his team not having way more talent than the he plays against in the NFL.
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Yes and no.

I didn't see his Oline at Ohio St. as formidable. They did have some good ones, but you know you need a whole unit.

Actually, if you don't like a guy who plays hero ball like Watson or Josh Allen, etc., you should like CJ.

I just hope he learns all the nuances of the position; most importantly how to read defenses.
 
76Texan said:
Yes and no.

I didn't see his Oline at Ohio St. as formidable. They did have some good ones, but you know you need a whole unit.

Actually, if you don't like a guy who plays hero ball like Watson or Josh Allen, etc., you should like CJ.

I just hope he learns all the nuances of the position; most importantly how to read defenses.
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For the record I'm not a fan of Stroud the person or the player. This doesn't mean I won't root for him to succeed. He's got a lot of work to do to become a viable starter level QB. Hopefully he will figure it out.
 
CloakNNNdagger said:
Hmm............checking down on 3rd and 21..................interception on 3rd and 21..........which one should I choose?........... 🤔
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Of course nobody wants an Int., but I'll tell you this.

Elway had wanted Keenum to rip it in his lone season in Denver.
Toward the middle of the season (as the Broncos were stuck in the middle), and even as that defense was the fourth highest-paid defense, plus a mint rusher in Chubb.
That defense ended up 13th in point against and 22nd in yard against.
Let me remind you that it was the 4th highest paid defense, plus a 5th pick in Bradley Chubb (instead of Quentin
steelbtexan said:
Yet Dell looked like the best WR on the field with the other QBs. Plain and simple Stroud made a rookie mistake and that's to be expected in his first NFL game.
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Don't be a hater.
Dell wasn't put in an easy position to make the catch and go on that play.
In reality, oftentimes, I stopped responded to you, not because I think you're right, but because you became too judgemental.
 
steelbtexan said:
I don't want Mills starting, but Stroud looked like a rookie. Hopefully he improves.
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Me….I’d have zero issues with Mills starting the season, and staying there as long as his play dictates leaving him in there.

I’ve never heard of a rookie QB going bad on the shelf after enjoying a developmental season on the sideline. Especially, if he had someone like Keenum mentoring him in the sideline.

One of a few things could happen from this approach:
1. Mills could suck and he’s back to square one and in hopes the Texans would be willing to take a RD7 pick versus getting cut.
2. Mills begins where he left off after his first season. Texans then find themselves in an enviable position b/c should have improved his trade value….maybe leading up to the trade deadline or he’s playing well enough to finish the season as the starter.
3. Stroud is ready to truly compete for the QB1 spot in season two, and Caserio is the position of being able to draft another developmental QB in RD3 or later.

Bottom line…..it’s not the end of the world. I’ve been a huge proponent of developing a young QB the right way, versus going back to the Texans, “How to Develop Your Rookie QB” book.
 
TxnsJuggernaut1 said:
If our scrubs were taking on their scrubs it all evens out. I feel confident that Keenum can play well with our best players if he for some reason has to do so!
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For this team this year, Keenum gives the team the best chance of winning. Highest floor player. This team will be winning games by controlling time of possession, running the ball effectively and playing strong defense. A game manager who wont make bad decisions will win more games this year.

Mills has been the one directly in competition during camp but I think it could be a case of the team wanting to increase his trade value. The team knows what they have in Keenum and knows he doesn’t need as many reps to maintain the level of play expected of him.

We all know who the highest ceiling QB on the roster is, but he’s gotta develop. We’ll see whether the team wants him to learn on the job or to sit and watch a vet like Keenum or Mills.
 
Brisco_County said:
Let's not fool ourselves; Stroud didn't flounder tonight because of the O-line, it was because he's a 21 year old kid and these were his first snaps in a professional league. I remember when I was 21. I was an idiot. I can't imagine trying to lead professional vets at that age.
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Dude i'm 56 and can't even remember being 21. Was living on Shiner beer balls and red haired sensomelia.
 
OptimisticTexan said:
Me….I’d have zero issues with Mills starting the season, and staying there as long as his play dictates leaving him in there.

I’ve never heard of a rookie QB going bad on the shelf after enjoying a developmental season on the sideline. Especially, if he had someone like Keenum mentoring him in the sideline.

One of a few things could happen from this approach:
1. Mills could suck and he’s back to square one and in hopes the Texans would be willing to take a RD7 pick versus getting cut.
2. Mills begins where he left off after his first season. Texans then find themselves in an enviable position b/c should have improved his trade value….maybe leading up to the trade deadline or he’s playing well enough to finish the season as the starter.
3. Stroud is ready to truly compete for the QB1 spot in season two, and Caserio is the position of being able to draft another developmental QB in RD3 or later.

Bottom line…..it’s not the end of the world. I’ve been a huge proponent of developing a young QB the right way, versus going back to the Texans, “How to Develop Your Rookie QB” book.
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You can't market Stroud if he's sitting on the bench. He's gonna start. Ownership directive
 
TheRealJoker said:
Stroud’s “best play” of the night came in handling the post game press conference. Self deprecating humor will go a long way in keeping the sports media on your side through the typical rookie growing pains.
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This shouldn't matter. His play good or bad will speak for itself.
 
sprtsfanatic said:
Even Mills had a better Oline the past 2 years than Stroud had for his 2 series. 76 was literally blocking air and running around in circles like a dog chasing his own tail. He got blown up on every snap...that was embarrassing.
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The same ol that was protecting Mills last night. Stroud is going through the learning process that Mills has already gone through. The play the pick happened on was a defense that looked like a 2 high safety look but it wasn't. Stroud probably hasn't ever seen that coverage in his life. He's learning and playing against a Belichick defense in his first game is probably the best thing that could ever happen to Stroud.
 
Buckeye Homer said:
On another note New England's rookie QB had a nice night dinking and dunking on us.

New England Passing
Bailey Zappe
Malik Cunningham
Trace McSorley
TEAM
C/ATTYDSTDINTSACKS
12/1479002-8
3/419000-0
1/34001-8
16/2186003-16
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That's not a nice night. That's an offensive nightmare. If we could keep opposing QBs to 16/21 for 86 yards, we would be the greatest defense ever. Last year, the Eagles kept their opponents to about 180 ypg, and they were the stingiest defense against the pass in the NFL.
 
TheRealJoker said:
Nobody is allowed to hit Stroud in practice. The Patriots were allowed to do so tonight. That’s the biggest difference.
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CJ had his first look at the speed of the game. Being a pocket passer that speed comes more quickly if there is not a pocket. He got his pilot license in TC then got strapped into a jet fighter. He should have been given a more suitable Cessna. Edit. It would have been better to let him watch for three quarters then play the fourth.
 
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CloakNNNdagger said:
Again, Stroud indisputably had an abyssmal QB rating.........something we hope he does not pattern after in the future. But for those who want to point to the supposed OL poor performance...............

The metric of the QB RATING takes into account all of a quarterback's contribution to a game, including passing, rushing, sacks, penalties, touchdowns, and turnovers. Moreover, each play is weighted based on its "difficulty", the context of the game, and the strength of the opposing defense.

A poor performance by an OL does not play into the QB rating.......only the QB's response to that play.
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But, this is different from the Passer Rating, you more normally see. QBR is compiled by ESPN. Passer Rating, I believe, is an NFL stat.
(edit) QBRs are graded between 0 and 100. If the rating exceeds 100, then this is a Passer Rating.

Mills was 126.7; Keenum was 103.0 and Stroud was 17.7. So these are Passer Ratings.
 
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Thorn said:
I expect Stroud to display rookieness for a while longer. Rookie QBs always have problems adjusting. It's way to early to make any judgements on Stroud yet.
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Agreed. Our shiny new car just got its first door ding. Doesn't mean it's not a good car - yet.
 
Buckeye Homer said:
Exactly right.

It's the job of the coaches to develop Stroud and I believe they mishandled his playing time tonight and missed an opportunity to give him some experience and development. I hope this won't be a trend.
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Unfortunately this is the way it's done, as if them people who do this for a living know something we don't.
 
lb543 said:
I think we have ourselves a quarterback controversy.
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I didn't see all the game but I saw CJ with a poor OL throw 4 passes, 1 being an INT. Mills and Case looked better when they were in than CJ. However, was it all CJ or an awful OL or both? Hard to figure out in 4 passes. I also saw CJ have to take off a few times and I don't think it was scripted. I think the OL was just that bad and that he either had to take sacks or try to get some momentum with his legs. Time will tell.

The major bright side is the D looked improved and Tank Dell made some very nice plays.
 
Earl34 said:
Wow. After only four passes and not even a full quarter, we are already applying the Stroud apologists label?

I guess the lines are already being drawn for the Mills only fans and Stroud apologists. Are we also going to create a Christ Junior (CJ) in Cleats label for Stroud supporters? SMH.
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I wasn't responding to Stroud's performance. I was responding to Texansballer74.
 
Earl34 said:
Wow. After only four passes and not even a full quarter, we are already applying the Stroud apologists label?

I guess the lines are already being drawn for the Mills only fans and Stroud apologists. Are we also going to create a Christ Junior (CJ) in Cleats label for Stroud supporters? SMH.
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Bro talk about being overzealous like a mutha joker. And crazy thing we already knew who it would be.

My homie told me years ago, Houston has by far the worst fanbase out there. I argued him down but have come to the realization that he was spot on.
 
Dejaview said:
It is. I was just pontificating with a brevity of clarity the manner in which Doaks converts his vertical predisposition to gain speed into a horizontal planar configuration to redistribute his potential energy into a driving momentum to get an extra yard.
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Spencer is that you? I'm a HUGE fan! Can we watch the next game together so you can say "Smoke through a keyhole" and I can take a shot? I need to hear you say it!
 
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Earl34 said:
Wow. After only four passes and not even a full quarter, we are already applying the Stroud apologists label?

I guess the lines are already being drawn for the Mills only fans and Stroud apologists. Are we also going to create a Christ Junior (CJ) in Cleats label for Stroud supporters? SMH.
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Should someone tell them that it was only a preseason game?

No don’t. Likes see how this develops.

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KA4Texan said:
While I agree, it's also good to know how he will handle the pressure.

Better to learn now than regular season.
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There were a few of us who didn't want to pick Stroud with his numbers against pressure as the #1 issue.

The numbers in a clean pocket were spectacular while the numbers under pressure were disasterous. - a passer rating of ~151 with a clean pocket dropping to ~41 when under pressure.

The results aren't a surprise to me for a rookie taking his first snaps - the pressure is going to be there more often than not in the NFL. He's got to learn how to deal with it - Or else...
 
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