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TexansBull said:
Way to miss the point.

The point is that QBs have sat and proved to develop. There is no harm to having a rookie QB sit and watch.

I don’t care one way or the other. Keenum can start. Mills can start. Stroud can start.

I ain’t going to sit here and act like I know more than the coaches.

And people getting sand in their vagina because Mills is playing with the ones, for the time being, is humorous.

Trust the process.

No excuses.
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There wasn't a point to miss. Plenty of QBs have proven to develop starting from day 1. It's just a matter of situation, work ethic, and talent.

There's no one in front of Stroud to be reason for him to sit. It doesn't help anyone to have Case or Mills starting football games for the Texans. Neither one of those guys are the future. Get your future QB out there, let him take his lumps, learn the game, and everybody will be that much better off in 2024 when the Texans might actually be ready to compete for something. But if you sit Stroud, then next season would basically be his rookie season and you push things back yet another year.

You say why rush him, I say why wait?
 
Lucky said:
Mills had a very confident air in interviews last offseason. The McAfee show for one that I can remember. Sounded like a guy ready to take control. That didn't happen in games. So, what Mills says in interviews and pressers doesn't carry a lot of weight with me.
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I see. I missed that interview.

I've never been on the Mills bandwagon but I have hoped he would have been "the answer" at quarterback. Seemed like a decent guy, I just never bought into the "given another year in college he would have been a 1st round pick" rhetoric.

I desperately hope Stroud is "the answer" at quarterback, Ryans is "the answer" at HC, and Caserio is "the answer" at GM. I haven't seen a complete Texans game in two or three years. My interest was very close to zero. If the people above fail, I know I'm done. And considering I'm 55 years old and was a die-hard Oilers fan from the 70's who lived for NFL on Sunday's and Monday nights, it would be sad to let it go. But I will. The game and the players attitudes have changed so much over the years, I don't see me hanging on to another rebuild in three or four years.
 
TexansBull said:
I can use your argument of not having darn good QBs in front of Stroud to take more time with him and let him sit. Without that mentorship why would you Do rush him to start. If he sits for a game or two or three or six how does that hurt him? It doesn’t. Starting early can Bortles him.
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Nevermind
 
TexansBull said:
Way to miss the point.

The point is that QBs have sat and proved to develop. There is no harm to having a rookie QB sit and watch.

I don’t care one way or the other. Keenum can start. Mills can start. Stroud can start.

I ain’t going to sit here and act like I know more than the coaches.

And people getting sand in their vagina because Mills is playing with the ones, for the time being, is humorous.

Trust the process.

No excuses.
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……ahhhh yes, the Texans have an exemplary record of developing their drafted QB’s into those that are highly desired by NFL teams. Before anyone can mention it…..Watson was an outlier for the Texans organization. Why? He pretty much developed himself by surviving the rush and making positive plays happen off script.
 
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TexansBull said:
Meh.

The marketing angle I get but the Texans weren’t worried about marketing when they had to answer questions about Easterby for a year.

There is different decision makers in control compared the Texans 5 years ago and 20 years ago.

I don’t see Texans feeling pressure.
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Really? Where was Cal 5 years ago? Prior to this past Draft, he mandated a QB.
 
Speedy said:
There wasn't a point to miss. Plenty of QBs have proven to develop starting from day 1. It's just a matter of situation, work ethic, and talent.

There's no one in front of Stroud to be reason for him to sit. It doesn't help anyone to have Case or Mills starting football games for the Texans. Neither one of those guys are the future. Get your future QB out there, let him take his lumps, learn the game, and everybody will be that much better off in 2024 when the Texans might actually be ready to compete for something. But if you sit Stroud, then next season would basically be his rookie season and you push things back yet another year.

You say why rush him, I say why wait?
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The bolded shows you missed the point. You think because there is no one in front of him to just throw him out there.

You act like he sits one game or three the whole season for 2024 is out the window.

You don’t throw someone out there to ruin their mental game just so fans can be entertained.

Let him be coached up. If he sits he sits. If he starts he starts.

First week of preseason.

Trust the process.

No excuses.
 
OptimisticTexan said:
……ahhhh yes, the Texans have an exemplary record of developing their drafted QB’s into those that are highly desired by NFL teams. Before anyone can mention it…..Watson was an outlier for the Texans organization. Why? He pretty much developed himself by surviving the rush and making positive plays happen off script.
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How many of the current coaches have been developing QB for the Texans in the past? You argument to use what happened in 2010, 2015, or any other period is irrelevant when judging if this coaching staff can develop Stroud.
 
TexansBull said:
Negative ghost rider.

As soon as Stroud was drafted people wanted him to start day one and get rid of Mills.

It’s a classic overreaction to events they have no control over.

People see Mills starting with the ones and get enraged.

They don’t trust the process.

Trust the process.

No excuses.
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We’re saying the same thing. “People” are people outside the organization; fans, media.

The Texans are running Mills with the 1st team, so far, as been reported. They don’t appear to be rushing the marketing campaign.
 
TexansBull said:
How many of the current coaches have been developing QB for the Texans in the past? You argument to use what happened in 2010, 2015, or any other period is irrelevant when judging if this coaching staff can develop Stroud.
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The McNair’s have been a pretty consistent factor…..maybe they’re the one’s pushing the GM and HC to roll out their shiny new penny.

I will go with my belief that Cal is comfortable with Caserio and Ryans calling the shots this year. If they decide to let Stroud develop a bit more before running him out there….then I’m on board.

Caserio and Ryans may have a plan that waits to run Stroud out there until they’ve had a chance to see how the offense is handling the new blocking scheme and playbook. Breaking this offense in during practice and Pre Season games is quite a bit different than the regular season games.

My vote is to be patient and bring Stroud along at the right pace.
 
OptimisticTexan said:
Breaking this offense in during practice and Pre Season games is quite a bit different than the regular season games.
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Exactly. Main reason is because defenses in the NFL rotate after the snap in ways impossible for college teams. Maybe the Texans can simulate that in “practice” along with a pass rush, while navigating growing pains of installing a new offense & defense, but… I wouldn’t bank on it.
 
Speedy said:
There wasn't a point to miss. Plenty of QBs have proven to develop starting from day 1. It's just a matter of situation, work ethic, and talent.

There's no one in front of Stroud to be reason for him to sit. It doesn't help anyone to have Case or Mills starting football games for the Texans. Neither one of those guys are the future. Get your future QB out there, let him take his lumps, learn the game, and everybody will be that much better off in 2024 when the Texans might actually be ready to compete for something. But if you sit Stroud, then next season would basically be his rookie season and you push things back yet another year.

You say why rush him, I say why wait?
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Well said! I just elected to say never mind. We don’t have the luxury of having a solid starter to elite HOF player in front of Stroud.
 
Speedy said:
There wasn't a point to miss. Plenty of QBs have proven to develop starting from day 1. It's just a matter of situation, work ethic, and talent.

There's no one in front of Stroud to be reason for him to sit. It doesn't help anyone to have Case or Mills starting football games for the Texans. Neither one of those guys are the future. Get your future QB out there, let him take his lumps, learn the game, and everybody will be that much better off in 2024 when the Texans might actually be ready to compete for something. But if you sit Stroud, then next season would basically be his rookie season and you push things back yet another year.

You say why rush him, I say why wait?
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Texans are coming off (2) robust 4-12 and 3-13-1 campaigns, and they had a nice off season and draft on paper, but the Texans have no need to second guess putting Stroud out there GM1? If Caserio and Ryans agree to hold him on the sideline for a few games, what’s the big deal? I guess chants for fire Caserio and Ryans would be next.
 
OptimisticTexan said:
Texans are coming off (2) robust 4-12 and 3-13-1 campaigns, and they had a nice off season and draft on paper, but the Texans have no need to second guess putting Stroud out there GM1? If Caserio and Ryans agree to hold him on the sideline for a few games, what’s the big deal? I guess chants for fire Caserio and Ryans would be next.
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Hey do y’all remember the Texans employed you’ll method with Savage and Watson? Bill O’Brien realized he made a mistake and quickly bench Savage who he drafted four years prior. Some of you same gents were saying the same exact things. Why rush Watson. Watson chump self came out there and showed y’all why you should’ve started him from the beginning. It also shows why you start working him with the 1s.

Beerlover I’m in agreement with you as well.
 
beerlover said:
I hear ya, he’s being overlooked. 2023 WR class got unceremoniously dumped on before it’s even had a chance to impact the NFL. Mostly undersized, quick & explosive playmakers. My money would be on Zay Flowers (Lamar Jackson’s soon to be favorite target) but Dell will most likely become CJ Stroud favorite go to weapon. CJ will blow by Bryce because of Dell and new free agent signings Dalton Schultz, Robert Woods, Devin Singletary. Carolina will run the rock like they always do. Chark & Theilen don’t get me nearly as excited.
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To me, the “team leader” in receptions is a three horse race between Nico, Schultz and Dell. If Nico plays every game, I give him the edge. If Metchie does not return to a consistent workload (cancer recovery, persistent hamstring issues) I give Dell the nod. If neither of those scenarios occur, I make Schultz the favorite.

I don’t expect Metchie to make much of an impact this season. Just judging off Quessenberry’s recovery, I think he’s another year away from being a reliable contributor. Which would mean Dell gets his snaps.
 
OptimisticTexan said:
Texans are coming off (2) robust 4-12 and 3-13-1 campaigns, and they had a nice off season and draft on paper, but the Texans have no need to second guess putting Stroud out there GM1? If Caserio and Ryans agree to hold him on the sideline for a few games, what’s the big deal? I guess chants for fire Caserio and Ryans would be next.
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The Texans will do what they do. None of us has control over that. Just giving my opinions just like everyone else. In my mind, there's no reason to sit Stroud, unless he's just stinking the joint up in camp and PS.

Arguments are being made about QBs who sit. And that's fine. I'm just pointing out there's plenty of examples of QBs succeeding who don't sit. There's no set in stone way to do it. But, in the argument being made about QBs who sit, the only ones that were mentioned all had legit options in front of them. Aaron Rodgers was not starting ahead of Bret Favre. And I doubt Rodgers saw many, if any, reps with the 1's while Favre was there. The Packers had that luxury. The Texans don't. They're averaging 3.6 wins per season the last 3 years. 3.5 the last 2 years with Mills primarily running the show. That's enough losing. If Mills was Alex Smith, coming off back-to-back 11 win seasons, maybe I'd feel differently about starting Stroud right away. But he's not. He's been one of the worst QBs in football 2 years running. IMO, there's no benefit to anybody to sit Stroud even 1 game in favor of Davis freaking Mills.

And my personal belief is that a QB getting "ruined" by throwing him out there right away is an overblown excuse. IMO, you either have the mental capability or you don't. And I believe a lot of that has to do with your work ethic. David Carr, Vince Young, they didn't put the work in. Peyton Manning, who started off bad, did put the work in. Trevor Lawrence looks like he's putting the work in. Kyler Murray, not so much. We'll see what becomes of Stroud, but with no real option standing in his way, I see no reason to postpone it a game or 3 or 8 or a full season or whatever. Get him out there and let's go. So what's the big deal with that? If the Texans see it differently then so be it. Just giving my opinion of what I think the best course of action is in the situation they're in. And that opinion is I think they'll be better off getting Stroud started ASAP.
 
Texansballer74 said:
Hey do y’all remember the Texans employed you’ll method with Savage and Watson? Bill O’Brien realized he made a mistake and quickly bench Savage who he drafted four years prior. Some of you same gents were saying the same exact things. Why rush Watson. Watson chump self came out there and showed y’all why you should’ve started him from the beginning. It also shows why you start working him with the 1s.

Beerlover I’m in agreement with you as well.
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To be fair, I don’t think you remember correctly. Most of us were against Savage starting over Watson because we had already seen what O’Brien did with Savage.

Most of us were impressed with what Kelly did with Mills. Most of us not very happy with what Pep did with Mills.

I want to see that Slowick can run the ball & create a pocket. We want to see DeMeco bring back the art of sure tackling.

None of us want our QB in a position to have to throw the ball 54 times against the 27th ranked offense.
 
Speedy said:
There wasn't a point to miss. Plenty of QBs have proven to develop starting from day 1. It's just a matter of situation, work ethic, and talent.

There's no one in front of Stroud to be reason for him to sit. It doesn't help anyone to have Case or Mills starting football games for the Texans. Neither one of those guys are the future. Get your future QB out there, let him take his lumps, learn the game, and everybody will be that much better off in 2024 when the Texans might actually be ready to compete for something. But if you sit Stroud, then next season would basically be his rookie season and you push things back yet another year.

You say why rush him, I say why wait?
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I choose situation. They will play it safe when time is right for little Johnny to come out to play with the bigger boys.
 
thunderkyss said:
To be fair, I don’t think you remember correctly. Most of us were against Savage starting over Watson because we had already seen what O’Brien did with Savage.
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With regard to Stroud, who besides the new QB coach (Jerrod Johnson) is going to be developing him? Ben McDaniels, Shane Day, and possibly the new OC, Bobby Slowick?
 
I completely forgot the Texans singed Shane Day. He was with Chargers and Herbert past couple of seasons but was let go when Joe Lombardi was fired. Pretty likable guy. Guys Texans have invested heavily in QB room, we should all have seen selecting QB early, also adding Jerrod Johnson and Jarrod James. Slowick has handpicked his guys to instill new wide zone offense.
 
beerlover said:
I completely forgot the Texans singed Shane Day. He was with Chargers and Herbert past couple of seasons but was let go when Joe Lombardi was fired. Pretty likable guy. Guys Texans have invested heavily in QB room, we should all have seen selecting QB early, also adding Jerrod Johnson and Jarrod James. Slowick has handpicked his guys to instill new wide zone offense.
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I like Day, he has a background with Lil Shanny and Mcvay. Bill Lazor is another guy who has a fair amount of OC experience, and from a different coaching tree to give a varied perspective or add new wrinkles to Slowik’s offense.
 
banned1976 said:
I desperately hope Stroud is "the answer" at quarterback, Ryans is "the answer" at HC
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This is the Texans best chance in over 10 year to build a winner. New coach. New QB. New defensive linchpin. I'm excited for what could be. But if this is screwed up, I'm not sure I have the patience (or the time on earth) to go thru another rebuild. I sense many are in this boat with me.
TexansBull said:
Did he or was it Bob?
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Did Bob return as a spector to demand a QB be drafted? If so, I'm glad he did.
 
Lucky said:
This is the Texans best chance in over 10 year to build a winner. New coach. New QB. New defensive linchpin. I'm excited for what could be. But if this is screwed up, I'm not sure I have the patience (or the time on earth) to go thru another rebuild. I sense many are in this boat with me.

Did Bob return as a spector to demand a QB be drafted? If so, I'm glad he did.
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Smoke more pot, change boats often. Works for me. :)

The Texans are what they are.
 
Lucky said:
But if this is screwed up, I'm not sure I have the patience (or the time on earth) to go thru another rebuild.
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The key is to prepare yourself now for the inevitable. Ignore that warm fuzzy feeling behind your navel. Remember all the gaffes that you didn't believe this team could commit, but did. Breathe in all the Texian/steelB half truths... know that though only half true, they are in fact half true.

Ignore your good sensibilities. Set your expectations low. Remember Easterby. Makes it difficult to be disappointed.

In short, understand you are not watching a documentary or drama, but a tragic comedy

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Lucky said:
This is the Texans best chance in over 10 year to build a winner. New coach. New QB. New defensive linchpin. I'm excited for what could be. But if this is screwed up, I'm not sure I have the patience (or the time on earth) to go thru another rebuild. I sense many are in this boat with me.

Did Bob return as a spector to demand a QB be drafted? If so, I'm glad he did.
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If DeMeco fails, I’m out. Football just isn’t for me anymore. Will not stick around to watch bad football. Or even worse, complain on here about management decisions before the bad football can even be played.
 
TheRealJoker said:
If DeMeco fails, I’m out. Football just isn’t for me anymore. Will not stick around to watch bad football. Or even worse, complain on here about management decisions before the bad football can even be played.
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I love football, basketball and baseball. But football is my first sports love, so it would be difficult for me to bounce like that. I would however, find another team to pull for.
 
Texansballer74 said:
I love football, basketball and baseball. But football is my first sports love, so it would be difficult for me to bounce like that. I would however, find another team to pull for.
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I can’t root for another team even if I tried idonno: So I’m in it for the long run even if Ryan and co fails cause I’ve already made peace that it could take 10 - 20years or more before we win our first chip:brickwall:
 
Texansballer74 said:
I love football, basketball and baseball. But football is my first sports love, so it would be difficult for me to bounce like that. I would however, find another team to pull for.
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I'm envious of people close to my age that can still enjoy all three sports. Once upon a time I could tell you, with pretty good accuracy, lineups of any team in any of those three sports. I was deeply involved in fantasy football, baseball, and basketball. If I wasn't at work, I was watching ESPN or a game. Something happened to me, I'm not sure exactly what but I lost all interest in the NBA about 15 years ago and MLB about 10 years ago. And I have no interest in watching any team other than the Texans. I have a very tenuous hold on the NFL.
 
Decim8 said:
I can’t root for another team even if I tried idonno: So I’m in it for the long run even if Ryan and co fails cause I’ve already made peace that it could take 10 - 20years or more before we win our first chip:brickwall:
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You can do it, if you believe in a special player and that player holds your undivided attention. Teams **** up all the time, very few constantly have the perfect mix (Chiefs are a prime example) but I would never pull for KC. A player who embodies everything can be transitional, even if you hate the city (LA or NY maybe Philadelphia).

I’m human. I carry grudges. Now we all have had to roll with the punches, as Texans fans, for far too long. I’m not sure if we have that transitional player (TBD) but we have a transitional coach in DeMeco Ryans. Love him. Loved Aaron Glenn and loved Jamie Sharper. Of course JJ Watt was the greatest Texan of all time, who didn’t hear among you root for him in Arizona? And he balled out to his last rep.

2023 Texan installment is just different. Hope one or more become those all time Texan greats. If Stingley fully recovers to 2019 that’s a special CB, Keyon Green a road grading LG, Will Anderson the second coming of Khalil Mack and CJ Stroud the franchise. You can still follow your player(s) and team you love (Texans).
 
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