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CJ Stroud Success Level (Mark it down)

Where do you think CJ Strouds success level will be in THREE years.

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Lucky said:
That's why we got Will Anderson. See if their passer rating goes down with pressure.
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Even so, we're only 1 team that they will face. I'm much more concerned about the myriad of pass rushers other teams have that Stroud will face weekly............and how Stroud's passer rating under pressure is affected. Stroud has a significant curse he has to overcome in order to become a successful OSU QB in the NFL...........as well as the potential QB curse of a very low S2 Cognition Test score. He's a Texan now, and I will be pulling hard for him to excel in every way. But I hope nobody minds if I remain very guarded about putting down any of my valuable chips before he disproves these predictive "curses."
 
BattleRedBlud said:
I know some around here are pretty Jaded when it comes to the McNairs. I just cannot bring myself to dislike Cal however. Yes, maybe he was brought up with the money mindset of his father, but I am sensing an evolution in the ownership thought process. Whether you give Cal that credit of Hannah I do not know, but I think ownership cares more about building a contender than some are giving them credit for. DO they know how? Probably not, but I think they are now listening. And with the correct people now coaching this team, I think they are also learning. I see good times ahead for the organization and fans.
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2 decades and they're still learning?

Cant tell you how many times I've read this over the decades.

They've learned very well.
 
sandman said:
And yet Mahomes sat for his entire rookie season after the Chiefs gave up significant draft capital to move up for him.
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1) Stroud is a more highly rated prospect than Mahomes coming out.

2) Alex Smith was QB and he was an above average top 10-15 type starter. That is not Davis Mills at this point. Though to be fair, former #1 pick Alex Smith was a late bloomer.
 
Stroud, after landing with the Texans at No. 2, reflected on the situation in comments to Peter King of Football Morning in America.

“A lot of people haven’t played the sport, and I mean critics are gonna critique," Stroud told King. “For me I know the film speaks for itself. Everything that I’ve done in college, I’ve been very consistent. I think I’ve been one of the most consistent players in college football for the last two years. If you turn on the tape, you can see, you can answer the questions. But those who don’t understand tape might want to go to other things and analyze other things. They’re more than welcome to do such. But the people who are making the choices and the picks, they knew what I can do. They understood the IQ that I do have.”

The thing that stuck the most for Stroud, even if it didn’t was a low S2 score. Stroud continued to push back on the idea that he lacks football smarts.

“I have a great memory when it comes to football,” Stroud told King. “I feel like there’s different ways to be geniuses. You don’t just have to be book smart. You can be analytics smart. You can be numbers smart. You can be football smart. I really think that there’s different types of ways to be smart. That’s something that I pride myself on. And I am book smart. I did have over a 3.0 in college. I had over a 3.0 in high school. I know that I can think. I can process very, very fast. The film, you can see me going from first option to second and then back to one and then to three to four if I have to. I can check down. I can use my feet.”
 
CloakNNNdagger said:
“I have a great memory when it comes to football,” Stroud told King. “I feel like there’s different ways to be geniuses. You don’t just have to be book smart. You can be analytics smart. You can be numbers smart. You can be football smart. I really think that there’s different types of ways to be smart. That’s something that I pride myself on. And I am book smart. I did have over a 3.0 in college. I had over a 3.0 in high school. I know that I can think. I can process very, very fast. The film, you can see me going from first option to second and then back to one and then to three to four if I have to. I can check down. I can use my feet.”
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Stroud needs to learn to know when to stop talking. Funny, in all of his years in college, he never once made it on the OSU Scholar-Athlete's Academic Award list..............a list that requires a grade point average =/>3.0 during an academic year.

From last Wednesday:

CloakNNNdagger said:
I was looking to see if I could tell anything about Stroud's academics. Could not uncover his specific grade point averages. But I found some information that could help. Every year, Ohio State recognizes anywhere from ~60-125 of their football players for a scholar-athlete award. In order to attain this "honor," the player must have a grade point average of 3.0 out of 4.0. During his time at Ohio State, CJ Stroud has never made that list in any one year. Feel free to extrapolate.
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CloakNNNdagger said:
Even so, we're only 1 team that they will face. I'm much more concerned about the myriad of pass rushers other teams have that Stroud will face weekly............and how Stroud's passer rating under pressure is affected. Stroud has a significant curse he has to overcome in order to become a successful OSU QB in the NFL...........as well as the potential QB curse of a very low S2 Cognition Test score. He's a Texan now, and I will be pulling hard for him to excel in every way. But I hope nobody minds if I remain very guarded about putting down any of my valuable chips before he disproves these predictive "curses."
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To be fair, most of us are very guarded where Stroud is concerned. That said at least you haven't shut the door on the fact that it is still possible he can beat these curses you mentioned. Some here would rather argue against that possibility until they are blue in the face, and look silly doing it.
 
steelbtexan said:
It has everything to do with the McNair family. Cal was by his dads side every step of the way and learning for those 2 decades, in a Smokey and the Bandit kind of way.
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Was he? I just figured from reading these boards that he was along for the ride. Enjoying the grandiose lifestyle of a millionaire and playing video games in the basement. I have no reason to think he gave any kind of a hoot what this team did, until the day it was placed in his hands, and he screwed it all to hell. From that all time low, he has made strides as an owner. It is evident and noticeable by all who want to see it.
 
BattleRedBlud said:
Was he? I just figured from reading these boards that he was along for the ride. Enjoying the grandiose lifestyle of a millionaire and playing video games in the basement. I have no reason to think he gave any kind of a hoot what this team did, until the day it was placed in his hands, and he screwed it all to hell. From that all time low, he has made strides as an owner. It is evident and noticeable by all who want to see it.
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He was always around in lesser roles, as his dad sold their billion dollar company to Enron to pay for the Texans. Based on everything I can find, the first time he started showing up around the decision making table was 2006 with Kubiak and Smith being brought in. So a bit of a mystery what he did during the expansion years. Was named Vice Chairman in 2009. Chairman in 2012 when his dad got sick. He had a decade of official visible senior leadership roles in the organization before his dad passed.
 
Speedy said:
You don't have to. There's a great tool here called ignore. Of course it doesn't work all that well when 90% of the board just can't stop responding to the nonsense.
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You can't get away from it unless you leave the board
 
JB said:
You can't get away from it unless you leave the board
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I suppose, but at least you don't have to subject yourself to that garbage actually seeing it in black and white (or red and gray if you're in Angry Baby mode), but to each their own I guess.
 
Speedy said:
I suppose, but at least you don't have to subject yourself to that garbage actually seeing it in black and white (or red and gray if you're in Angry Baby mode), but to each their own I guess.
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Like you said, even on ignore you're gonna read it anyway
 
sandman said:
He was always around in lesser roles, as his dad sold their billion dollar company to Enron to pay for the Texans. Based on everything I can find, the first time he started showing up around the decision making table was 2006 with Kubiak and Smith being brought in. So a bit of a mystery what he did during the expansion years. Was named Vice Chairman in 2009. Chairman in 2012 when his dad got sick. He had a decade of official visible senior leadership roles in the organization before his dad passed.
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So in other words, he had ample time to learn something. Maybe there is something to Cal playing video games all day theory after all. Even so, I think, in my opinion, he is showing effort lately. I can't hate on him for that.
 
KoolAid Sipper said:
Get a decent center and the OL is more than capable of holding it's own. However, let's not fool ourselves, it doesn't matter how good the run game is, you're not going to run past Mahomes/Burrow/Allen.
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Your running game is going to keep Mahomes/Allen/Burrow off the field and burn the clock. The more time they have the more chances they have to score. (See 51-7) As long as your running game is scoring 7 points of course.
 
JB said:
Like you said, even on ignore you're gonna read it anyway
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Well, I don't see his actual comments, but yeah, I can still gather what's being said by EVERYONE responding to the same BS posted 95 times a day in every thread on this board.

And I really don't understand why everyone keeps playing that game. It's a pointless, futile exercise that goes nowhere and is just regurgitated over and over and over and over. You guys never get tired of that ****? But like I said, to each his own.
 
@steelbtexan I don't mean nothing with the back and forth. Its just difference of opinions is all. I'll bow out of the conversation here and just hope for the best with this team. :toast2:
 
Speedy said:
Well, I don't see his actual comments, but yeah, I can still gather what's being said by EVERYONE responding to the same BS posted 95 times a day in every thread on this board.

And I really don't understand why everyone keeps playing that game. It's a pointless, futile exercise that goes nowhere and is just regurgitated over and over and over and over. You guys never get tired of that ****? But like I said, to each his own.
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There's lots of laughs to be had along with the frustration
 
Speedy said:
It's a pointless, futile exercise that goes nowhere and is just regurgitated over and over and over and over. You guys never get tired of that ****? But like I said, to each his own.
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Speedy said:
Well, I don't see his actual comments, but yeah, I can still gather what's being said by EVERYONE responding to the same BS posted 95 times a day in every thread on this board.

And I really don't understand why everyone keeps playing that game. It's a pointless, futile exercise that goes nowhere and is just regurgitated over and over and over and over. You guys never get tired of that ****? But like I said, to each his own.
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JB said:
Like you said, even on ignore you're gonna read it anyway
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After watching the Watson drama/idiocy and incompetence of the BOB, Easterby, Culley and Lovie eras, I thought it would be a fresh start for this forum. Based on the current threads, it appears that we are back to the same tired QB discussions that dominated this forum during much of Watson's time in Houston.

Stroud hasn't taken one snap and Demeco hasn't coached one game and narratives are already being recycled. I guess the more things change, the more they stay the same on TT.
 
Can’t wait for next season to start! We’re approaching the “dead zone” but before we do, there will be Texan Rookie Minicamp. Believe (please correct me if wrong) May 12th-15th. With all the travel and draft demands, these guys need to get back on schedule and back in football shape while staying safe, injury free.
 
The1ApplePie said:
The Chiefs had Alex Smith, a solid veteran QB, at the helm. With all respect to him, Case isn't Smith, and don't even mention Mills. The Texans will have to either start CJ right away, or put him in after a few games.

Looks like CJ, Richardson, and Young will all start right away. Levis and Hooker will probably sit a year.
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What’s the goal next year? Win the division? Do you think CJ gives us the best chance to win?

Can you think of any good reason to let him sit for a year?

If the Texans decide to start Case, what do you imagine would be the reason?
 
Earl34 said:
Stroud hasn't taken one snap and Demeco hasn't coached one game and narratives are already being recycled. I guess the more things change, the more they stay the same on TT.
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& on the other side, we’re winning the division.
 
thunderkyss said:
But it’s not steelbtexan’s fault. It makes no sense to engage, but people can’t help themselves.

they take the bait every freaking time
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That's like saying it's not the crook's fault for breaking into my car because it made no sense for me to own a nice car.

I mean, we just had draft day (Adult Christmas). Us kids want to celebrate and play with our new playstation. But every time we try, a couple of the kids have to degrade it and tell us the XBox is so much better. Gets so old.
 
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BattleRedBlud said:
If the bait is being tired of seeing the same narrative over and over with no basis in reality, then I guess I am guilty of taking the bait.
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What’s worse is that they’ll complain that it goes on forever in multiple threads.

& it’s because they can’t let it go.

Look, if somebody told me they’d kick Jlo out of the bed, I’m not going to argue with the idiot. He’s not all there, he’s trolling me, or he’s playing for the other team, therefore his opinion doesn’t reflect reality.
 
thunderkyss said:
What’s the goal next year? Win the division? Do you think CJ gives us the best chance to win?
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I don't know about winning the division, though stranger things have happened. And yes, at this moment, without having seen the dude even take a preseason snap, I do think he gives us the best chance to win, because I have seen the others.

thunderkyss said:
Can you think of any good reason to let him sit for a year?
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Nope.

thunderkyss said:
If the Texans decide to start Case, what do you imagine would be the reason?
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Apart from injury, bad practices, bad preseason, neither of which I believe will happen.
 
CloakNNNdagger said:
Even so, we're only 1 team that they will face. I'm much more concerned about the myriad of pass rushers other teams have that Stroud will face weekly............and how Stroud's passer rating under pressure is affected. Stroud has a significant curse he has to overcome in order to become a successful OSU QB in the NFL...........as well as the potential QB curse of a very low S2 Cognition Test score. He's a Texan now, and I will be pulling hard for him to excel in every way. But I hope nobody minds if I remain very guarded about putting down any of my valuable chips before he disproves these predictive "curses."
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The draft is over, so I'm not going to get mired in the pre-draft pseudo analysis. I don't know if you have seen the raw data from PFF that indicates Stroud has issues with pressure (more than other QBs in this class). I have not. I have read analysis from ESPN that Stroud's QBR under pressure was the highest of all the top QBs in the draft, and 3rd in QBR when blitzed (slightly behind Young and Hooker). This so called curse is highly debatable. Regarding the S2 test, I would think someone like yourself would not put that much faith in a study with such a small sample size.

I always use my eyes. If the numbers match what I see, then they are validated. When I see Stroud (or Bryce Young), I see a QB. When I see guys like Richardson and Levis, I see guys who are pretending to be QBs because someone thinks they should play QB. I know where to put my chips.
 
steelbtexan said:
Richardson and Levis have cannons for arms, Stroud has a good arm.

ROTY and HOF'er? Wow, LMAO
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Levis can’t read defenses. He makes poor decisions and has inconsistent accuracy. Wasn’t he sacked 36x senior year? Slid down in the draft because of his predraft antics lol. Glad he’s playing for our rival.

Richardson is inconsistent. Not enough experience. I don’t see superstar in him. Colts were desperate
 
michaelm said:
You spent the past year saying Mills could be a good QB, but surely you have to agree that Stroud is better in every category.
Literally every category, even performance under pressure.
And I'm not pointing fingers when it comes to Mills. I was right there with you being wrong af about Mills prospects as a starter.
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Steelb can be funny like that.

He would say he wants a generational talent at QB, but in the next sentence he would say he hopes Mills can buck the trend so that the Texans would have one less thing to worry about.

On the one hand, he will say "don't settle for a mediocre QB", it will set your team back many years.

On the other hand, he continues to say that having Mills turn out to be a stud would be great.

Of course, it would.
But he didn't even realized that he was promoting a proposition that he's always been against.

Mediocrity.
 
corry said:
For all the S2 truthers. There were multiple NFL teams that decided they were willing to mortage their future for Stroud if that is any indication.
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And yet the Titans were the only other team that had a plan in place to trade up with Arizona if Stroud was available at 3
 
Lucky said:
The draft is over, so I'm not going to get mired in the pre-draft pseudo analysis. I don't know if you have seen the raw data from PFF that indicates Stroud has issues with pressure (more than other QBs in this class). I have not. I have read analysis from ESPN that Stroud's QBR under pressure was the highest of all the top QBs in the draft, and 3rd in QBR when blitzed (slightly behind Young and Hooker). This so called curse is highly debatable. Regarding the S2 test, I would think someone like yourself would not put that much faith in a study with such a small sample size.

I always use my eyes. If the numbers match what I see, then they are validated. When I see Stroud (or Bryce Young), I see a QB. When I see guys like Richardson and Levis, I see guys who are pretending to be QBs because someone thinks they should play QB. I know where to put my chips.
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I appreciate your response.

There is no raw data regarding Stroud's performance under pressure presented by either PFF OR ESPN.

I have previously pointed out in posts that there is question as to the validity of the S2 Cognition Test (including specifically the small sample size [posting that when the sample size of the Wonderlic test in the 70's was already much larger than the present S2 test, the test was felt to be valid in predicting success.......but by the time the test was carried out for 5 decades, it's predictive value went the way of the DoDo])..........even the S2 test creator has said as much.

For the above reasons, if you note, I have placed the word "curse" in quotes.

In no way have I closed any doors on Stroud. Although you may not, I feel very comfortable with my previous post's "wait and see" concluding statement:

But I hope nobody minds if I remain very guarded about putting down any of my valuable chips before he disproves these predictive "curses."
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