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2023 TEXANS DRAFT DISCUSSION

Lucky said:
If some teams use the test against Stroud, they could be costing themselves a franchise QB.

My understanding is that the NFL began incorporating the S2 tests in 2016. Since then, there has been around 25 QBs considered top prospects entering their respective drafts. 25. That's the definition of a small sample size.
I get the company that created the test are pushing their product. But any scientific method would only consider a much larger pool of samples to come to a definitive conclusion. And the fact that a high score does not verify a QB to become elite seems like a red flag. "But Mahomes scored high!" "Burrow scored high!" A few QBs out of a small pool? That's cherry picking.
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I posted elsewhere that the Texans use their own version of the S2 and it is very comprehensive. That way you can eliminate the possibility of well poisoning.
If Texans do, you can be sure others do too.
 
I was looking to see if I could tell anything about Stroud's academics. Could not uncover his specific grade point averages. But I found some information that could help. Every year, Ohio State recognizes anywhere from ~60-125 of their football players for a scholar-athlete award. In order to attain this "honor," the player must have a grade point average of 3.0 out of 4.0. During his time at Ohio State, CJ Stroud has never made that list in any one year. Feel free to extrapolate.
 
Texansphan said:
I posted elsewhere that the Texans use their own version of the S2 and it is very comprehensive. That way you can eliminate the possibility of well poisoning.
If Texans do, you can be sure others do too.
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How did teams find QBs before the S2 and these other tests? Old fashioned methods like watching tape? What were they thinking back then, looking at actual football games? Barbaric!
 
A lot of things have to come together for a college QB to become a great NFL QB. I think the S2 only seems to tell whether that person has just one of the traits. So many other ways for a prospect to fall short of his potential. You could get him beat half to death ala David Carr before he can even acclimate to the game at this level. Dropped into a no-win situation? He could have the ability to identify what he needs to do but not react to it. Clicking a mouse isn't the same as moving your body where it needs to go. Physical tools might be lacking (height, arm strength). It doesn't seem like anything short of playing behind a monster OL with a ton of weapons can compensate for not having that ability to identify and correctly respond that the S2 measures. Coincidentally this is where a lot of big school QB's played. If there's anything to what the S2 measures it will probably be a long, long time before a guy does terrible on the test and then goes on the become a great NFL QB.
 
Will Levis: Don’t believe everything you read on the internet
Posted by Myles Simmons on April 26, 2023, 12:14 PM EDT

Earlier this week, betting markets moved the odds toward former Kentucky quarterback Will Levis to be drafted No. 1 overall by the Panthers.

That seemed to trace back to a Reddit post claiming that Levis was telling friends and family that Carolina informed him he’d be the top pick of this year’s draft.

Levis is in Kansas City for Thursday’s first round and was asked at an NFL Play 60 event about that post.
“I don’t want to speak on it too much. But just don’t believe everything you read on the internet,” Levis said, via Joe Person of TheAthletic.com.

Alabama’s Bryce Young has long been expected to be Carolina’s pick at No. 1 overall. On Tuesday, head coach Frank Reich said the Panthers had come to a consensus in their building on who the first pick will be. But that choice won’t become public until Carolina turns in the pick on Thursday night.

Levis is still expected to be one of the first quarterbacks off the board, perhaps as soon as No. 2 overall to the Texans. The Colts at No. 4 have also been heavily linked to Levis.

However, that is contingent on you believing what you read on the internet — which, of course, is where you’re reading this now.
 
Lucky said:
Let's try a possible real world example. Say a school has tested 25 kids in the past. It's some type of video game. And the analysis of these tests indicate that the kids that did poorly in testing did not do well in college. Some of the kids that did do well in the testing had very good grades in college. Some of the kids that tested well did poorly in college.

The school tests your son. He does poorly. Tell me honestly, are you going to take this seriously? "Get a job kid, not wasting tuition on you."
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I mean, I can point to several articles that say they've tested 117 QB's in the draft since 2016. Others that say they tested 27 starting - or recently starting - NFL QB's. I'm pretty sure the math says 85% of the starting QB's in the league and on average about 15 QB's per draft have done this test.

I'm not saying it is an end-all be-all assessment. I'm actually on record saying just the opposite. But the vast majority of eligible draftees over 8 cycles and the majority of starting NFL QBs at a given point in time is actually a significant statistical probability.

And we either put on our tin foil hat and believe there is a vast conspiracy against Stroud (dare we say, collusion) or we take all of these individual data points and start drawing reasonable conclusions.
 
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badboy said:
ok but why would McNairs cancel Stroud two weeks ago? Nothing has changed as I know it.
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Maybe they were OK with it until that time? The agent said something. Who knows. Wouldn't be the first time the McNairs screwed the team out of a great player because of hurt feelings (Duane Brown).

Again, tin foil. But if there master plan was to leave a cosmic void at the most important position in football, go defense, then try for a 3rd tier guy like Hooker or a reclamation project like Lance, then that raises some issues.
 
Porky said:
If the Texans pass on Stroud, there will be seismograph readings in Indy from Ballard and Steichen jumping up and down. If they pass on him as well, then I might start buying into the S2 crap. Right now, I think it's all smoke. It's lion season.

I'm going to work on my final mock later. At the moment, I've got Wilson at 1.2. I'll put some more thought into it, but if I'm the GM I'd take Stroud based on publicly known facts and demonstrated ability. Like Herv, they've yet to call me. Those bastards!
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I'd like this draft to be one where we don't make the very first pick someone with an injury.
Four of the consensus highest rankings are healthy - let's not try to be clever and reach for an injured guy.
 
Lucky said:
I just like that so many believe in the S2 test, when they have no idea of what it is. Just another example of a phenomena that has plenty of data points. Groupthink.
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Easy to dismiss anyone who doesn't agree with you as ignorant groupthink.
 
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Lucky said:
How did teams find QBs before the S2 and these other tests? Old fashioned methods like watching tape? What were they thinking back then, looking at actual football games? Barbaric!
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Well to be fair it sure didn’t work out for the best for many of teams doing it the old way. Been plenty of bust over the years
 
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Mollywhopper said:
Name a good nfl qb from Cal before Rodgers..

Name a good nfl qb from Texas Tech before Mahomes..

Name a good nfl qb from Tennessee before Manning..

Name a good nfl qb from Pitt before Marino..

And I don't wanna wait, it's gonna take too long..
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The irony of people wanting to pass on an Ohio State QB to tank and draft a USC QB.
 
sandman said:
I mean, I can point to several articles that say they've tested 117 QB's in the draft since 2016.
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So 117 is the magic number? If they tested 117 kids, you're not sending your son to college?

Can't we dismiss some of these that were never considered good enough to make it in the NFL based strictly on their play? I'm talking about narrowing down to the top prospects. The S2 decision tree is:

Score below 80th percentile? Yes -> You suck. No -> You may be good or you may suck.

Someone is supposed to take this seriously? And not just seriously, but make a $multi-million decision based off it?

Another reminder. The NFL is not the real world.
 
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If you're going "big swing" at QB, I'd much rather have Richardson for several reasons. That said, Levis is probably more pro-ready than Richardson, and it's entirely possible he's the best QB in this class long-term. There's no doubt he has some elite tools. I just think he's an asshole Ryan Leaf/Zach Wilson type. But NFL scouts and front offices are seeing something in this guy, so I'll cede to their expertise to some degree.

I just think he's a high risk/high reward guy and that CJ is the much safer, better pick at 1.2. I'll be slightly upset if it's Levis, especially at 1.2, but at least they will have taken a huge swing at the most important position in sports, and it will give this fanbase something it hasn't had in a while - hope.

If he's a clunker, then you'll be back in the QB pool in 2025. You have to give a 1st rd rookie two seasons to know if he can be the long-term answer unless he's so awful that it's just apparent early that he's never going to be the guy ala Josh Rosen.

Basically, I've got 4 possible choices at 1.2. Assuming no trade, it's 95% one of these 4 guys. The outlier could be Richardson or if they really want to blow some minds...Bijon. Neither seems even semi-likely. So, which of these 4 (or another choice) are you picking and why? No trade-downs allowed. Who you got?

CJ Stroud
Will Levis
Will Anderson
Tyree Wilson
 
Xopher said:
I don't care how accurate someone is with a clean pocket. I want them to be able to process under pressure. The singular time Stroud has done this was when he had over a month to prepare for a game. When he is pressured he is bad. The S2 reflects this. It is not an IQ test like the Wonderlic. I have aced the Wonderlic. I would bomb the S2. I do not want a "Good" QB at 1.2. So you'd rather have a dirt sandwich than a **** sandwich. I say both of those suck.
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I strongly disagree with the common assertion that Stroud was bad under pressure in college. I realize that it is based o hard data... My interpretation is that he excelled playing in rhythm and on time but tended to be much less effective making the off-schedule plays. A QB that processes things quickly should be a QB that is able to get to the open receiver and deliver the ball accurately and quickly... that is Stroud's game. I would be more interested in a side by side comparison of Stroud and Young, collecting data on all pass plays when the ball leaves the QBs hand in under 2.2 seconds. I don't think that pulling the ball down, scrambling around, and finding a WR downfield working to get open represents a QBs processing speed nor a QBs ability to successfully run an offense in the NFL... So, to me, this critique of Stroud is a repetitive one more related to his reluctance to make plays with his feet (which is an area where Young truly excels). Essentially, IMO, Stroud is getting criticized for playing the QB position too much like Peyton Manning and not enough like Michael Vick, and I don't understand that perspective.
 
Lucky said:
So 117 is the magic number? If they tested 117 kids, you're not sending your son to college?

Can't we dismiss some of these that were never considered good enough to make it in the NFL based strictly on their play? I'm talking about narrowing down to the top prospects. The S2 decision tree is:

Score below 80th percentile? Yes -> You suck. No -> You may be good or you may suck.

Someone is supposed to take this seriously? And not just seriously, but make a $multi-million decision based off it?

Another reminder. The NFL is not the real world.
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I mean, they are testing almost everyone trying to compete for a very, very specific job. Not quite the same as going off to college.

Maybe a more appropriate example would be telling your son not to apply to grad school because he had a lower GPA. Not everyone who got into grad school completed it. But no one got into grad school with a 2.0 GPA
 
The S2 sounds like another BS test that some company came up with con a bunch of analytics nerds. The Wonderlic (and IQ in general) are viewed as pseudoscience these days, had to get the new hotness.

Next you have to test the prospects for Thetans.
 
Lucky said:
I just think Stroud is the 2nd best QB in this draft. And he could prove me wrong and be the best. I don't think Stroud has the tools Trevor Lawrence had coming out. But he played as well as Lawrence did in college. For me, this pick is a no brainer. And if ownership can't get past the agent thing, they should have traded for the 1st pick when they had the chance.
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I like football & I like football players. I can find something good to like about all the guys in the drat & something to like about all the QBs.

I would not be upset with anyone the Texans pick.

I'm only arguing it doesn't make sense to me to draft a guy built like Erkhel with a top 2 pick.

Anybody else, I can rationalize in my mind & get behind it. For Erkhel I'm going to have to lie to myself (& I don't have a problem doing that) & tell myself he's a svelt 200lbs. Heck, while I'm lying I'll say he's a svelt 235lbs.
 
Porky said:
If you're going "big swing" at QB, I'd much rather have Richardson for several reasons. That said, Levis is probably more pro-ready than Richardson, and it's entirely possible he's the best QB in this class long-term. There's no doubt he has some elite tools. I just think he's an asshole Ryan Leaf/Zach Wilson type. But NFL scouts and front offices are seeing something in this guy, so I'll cede to their expertise to some degree.

I just think he's a high risk/high reward guy and that CJ is the much safer, better pick at 1.2. I'll be slightly upset if it's Levis, especially at 1.2, but at least they will have taken a huge swing at the most important position in sports, and it will give this fanbase something it hasn't had in a while - hope.

If he's a clunker, then you'll be back in the QB pool in 2025. You have to give a 1st rd rookie two seasons to know if he can be the long-term answer unless he's so awful that it's just apparent early that he's never going to be the guy ala Josh Rosen.

Basically, I've got 4 possible choices at 1.2. Assuming no trade, it's 95% one of these 4 guys. The outlier could be Richardson or if they really want to blow some minds...Bijon. Neither seems even semi-likely. So, which of these 4 (or another choice) are you picking and why? No trade-downs allowed. Who you got?

CJ Stroud
Will Levis
Will Anderson
Tyree Wilson
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This is assuming BY to Carolina:-
CJ Stroud
Will Anderson
It's down to those two.
 
badboy said:
Three possibilities IMO for face of team and we can have all three possibly.

Will Anderson a sacker and disruptor; impressively so if his 'down' year last season was Will protecting himself for NFL. If he did and picked 1.2 , it was beautiful strategm.

Bijan Robinson size and speed of a strong WR who fills slot in support of Metchie and outside occasionally with good hands, speed and bulk to absorb tackles from DBs. As an RB he can block for Pierce, Singletary and QB. A Texas boy to appeal to immense, diverse groups of fans.

Hooker quiets grumbles somewhat for not taking QB first two choices. Fans will rally around whomever the signal caller is.

Three faces, three possible superstars.
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This would be a GREAT first round!
 
Porky said:
If you're going "big swing" at QB, I'd much rather have Richardson for several reasons. That said, Levis is probably more pro-ready than Richardson, and it's entirely possible he's the best QB in this class long-term. There's no doubt he has some elite tools. I just think he's an asshole Ryan Leaf/Zach Wilson type. But NFL scouts and front offices are seeing something in this guy, so I'll cede to their expertise to some degree.

I just think he's a high risk/high reward guy and that CJ is the much safer, better pick at 1.2. I'll be slightly upset if it's Levis, especially at 1.2, but at least they will have taken a huge swing at the most important position in sports, and it will give this fanbase something it hasn't had in a while - hope.

If he's a clunker, then you'll be back in the QB pool in 2025. You have to give a 1st rd rookie two seasons to know if he can be the long-term answer unless he's so awful that it's just apparent early that he's never going to be the guy ala Josh Rosen.

Basically, I've got 4 possible choices at 1.2. Assuming no trade, it's 95% one of these 4 guys. The outlier could be Richardson or if they really want to blow some minds...Bijon. Neither seems even semi-likely. So, which of these 4 (or another choice) are you picking and why? No trade-downs allowed. Who you got?

CJ Stroud
Will Levis
Will Anderson
Tyree Wilson
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For me it's Anderson or Levis. Not going to get upset over either of them. Not high on Stroud and I just don't want to watch them take another guy high in the draft who "should be ready to go by training camp". Think about this team and its history. Tony Boselli was supposed to be ready to go by training camp. It's like that set the pattern up for our entire existence or something. Nothing against Wilson but I'm just not going to be excited about hearing how well his rehab beside Stingley is going. Can't do it.
 
PFT
Hendon Hooker’s stock rises, now favored to be a first-round pick
Posted by Michael David Smith on April 26, 2023, 3:33 PM EDT

Tennessee quarterback Hendon Hooker appears likely to be a first-round draft pick on Thursday night.

Early in the offseason Hooker was seen as more likely to be a second-round pick, but now the betting odds have Hooker favored to be a first-round pick.

Four quarterbacks — Alabama’s Bryce Young, Ohio State’s C.J. Stroud, Florida’s Anthony Richardson and Kentucky’s Will Levis — are locks to be first-round picks. Hooker is the wild card, although an increasing number of mock drafts (including PFT’s) have Hooker going not just in the first round, but in the first half of the first round.

Hooker was the SEC offensive player of the year last season, although there are concerns about his age (25) and his knee (he suffered a torn ACL in November). It appears that enough teams think the impressive college production outweigh those concerns that someone will take him within the first 31 picks.
 
CloakNNNdagger said:
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Hendon Hooker’s stock rises, now favored to be a first-round pick
Posted by Michael David Smith on April 26, 2023, 3:33 PM EDT

Tennessee quarterback Hendon Hooker appears likely to be a first-round draft pick on Thursday night.

Early in the offseason Hooker was seen as more likely to be a second-round pick, but now the betting odds have Hooker favored to be a first-round pick.

Four quarterbacks — Alabama’s Bryce Young, Ohio State’s C.J. Stroud, Florida’s Anthony Richardson and Kentucky’s Will Levis — are locks to be first-round picks. Hooker is the wild card, although an increasing number of mock drafts (including PFT’s) have Hooker going not just in the first round, but in the first half of the first round.

Hooker was the SEC offensive player of the year last season, although there are concerns about his age (25) and his knee (he suffered a torn ACL in November). It appears that enough teams think the impressive college production outweigh those concerns that someone will take him within the first 31 picks.
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sandman said:
I mean, they are testing almost everyone trying to compete for a very, very specific job. Not quite the same as going off to college.

Maybe a more appropriate example would be telling your son not to apply to grad school because he had a lower GPA. Not everyone who got into grad school completed it. But no one got into grad school with a 2.0 GPA
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Stroud had a 3.9 GPA. It’s the GRE he flunked. Except this GRE has been taken by 117 people and has not been proven to weed out all poor candidates. Will Levis is the 2.0 student that somehow aces the pre graduate school test.

How often does that happen? You own premise should show you how questionable the S2 really is
 
Lucky said:
Stroud had a 3.9 GPA. It’s the GRE he flunked. Except this GRE has been taken by 117 people and has not been proven to weed out all poor candidates. Will Levis is the 2.0 student that somehow aces the pre graduate school test.

How often does that happen? You own premise should show you how questionable the S2 really is
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I'm not defending the S2 as much as I am trying to add context to your derision of it.

You continue to make your argument from a general population perspective (i.e. - look at the thousands that go to college every year) so let me ask you this in an honest question: who else should they be testing to generate a baseline if not all of the QB's entering the draft for almost the last decade as well as a significant number of starting NFL QB's?

I'm fine if your argument was about the S2 being one of many data points to consider. I totally agree. But for a reason I don't seem to understand, you argue that it has no place in the overall assessment of a player.
 
dalemurphy said:
I strongly disagree with the common assertion that Stroud was bad under pressure in college. I realize that it is based o hard data... My interpretation is that he excelled playing in rhythm and on time but tended to be much less effective making the off-schedule plays. A QB that processes things quickly should be a QB that is able to get to the open receiver and deliver the ball accurately and quickly... that is Stroud's game. I would be more interested in a side by side comparison of Stroud and Young, collecting data on all pass plays when the ball leaves the QBs hand in under 2.2 seconds. I don't think that pulling the ball down, scrambling around, and finding a WR downfield working to get open represents a QBs processing speed nor a QBs ability to successfully run an offense in the NFL... So, to me, this critique of Stroud is a repetitive one more related to his reluctance to make plays with his feet (which is an area where Young truly excels). Essentially, IMO, Stroud is getting criticized for playing the QB position too much like Peyton Manning and not enough like Michael Vick, and I don't understand that perspective.
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It is based on the tape of his play. When under pressure he throws from the back of his feet. Fixable if you ask me.
 
sandman said:
I'm not defending the S2 as much as I am trying to add context to your derision of it.

You continue to make your argument from a general population perspective (i.e. - look at the thousands that go to college every year) so let me ask you this in an honest question: who else should they be testing to generate a baseline if not all of the QB's entering the draft for almost the last decade as well as a significant number of starting NFL QB's?

I'm fine if your argument was about the S2 being one of many data points to consider. I totally agree. But for a reason I don't seem to understand, you argue that it has no place in the overall assessment of a player.
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From S2's website.
  • Do these scores have anything to do with book smarts or intelligence?

    The S2 Eval measures the same brain systems that athletes engage during play, which are very different than what is measured in the classroom and on standard IQ tests. Decisions in the classroom and on tests of intelligence measure abilities in everyday sorts of thinking skills and when you have minutes or hours to process information and make decisions. Athletes make split-second decisions in sub-second time frames.

    We have tested incredible athletes who struggle in the academic classroom, but who can see, process, and react with incredible skill on the field. Similarly, just because someone excels in the classroom, those skills don’t always translate to the field. Whether you score high or low on specific skills in the S2 evaluation has very little relationship to academic performance or intelligence.
 
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Yeah, and it seems like people are just ignoring CJ's tape which shows he excels at that.

Will Levis aka Mr. Late. scored a 93, and has yet to anticipate a throw.

Oh but he scored well on the computer test. He is going to be a great player.

Thankfully, the Texans had the guys come in and were able to go through their own methods.
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Add in he’s inaccurate and a turnover machine. But he’s going to be great because the S2 test says so.

I can’t believe some people are taking that crap seriously. Wow

Why wasn’t anyone talking about this S2 crap during the 22 draft?
 
Lucky said:
Stroud had a 3.9 GPA. It’s the GRE he flunked. Except this GRE has been taken by 117 people and has not been proven to weed out all poor candidates. Will Levis is the 2.0 student that somehow aces the pre graduate school test.

How often does that happen? You own premise should show you how questionable the S2 really is
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Link?
 
Texans first-round predictions

Alexander: No. 2 QB C.J. Stroud, No. 12 WR Jaxon Smith-Njigba


I’ve gone back and forth between Alabama defensive end Will Anderson and Ohio State quarterback C.J. Stroud. But I had a source tell me on Wednesday that the Texans have been inquiring about Stroud and his background in recent days. More so than they had previously.


That’s not to say they aren’t inquiring about other players.

But the Texans are in desperate need of a quarterback, and this is their best chance to get one. The consensus among scouts and draft experts is that Bryce Young and Stroud are in a different tier than the other crop of quarterbacks, like Will Levis and Anthony Richardson.

I’m picking Smith-Njigba at No. 12 if he’s on the board. He was Stroud’s top target at Ohio State in 2021 and is said to be the best wide receiver in this draft. The Texans can fill another major need here. And every expert I trust and talk to say they ought to take him there.


Kubena: No. 2 QB C.J. Stroud, Ohio State No. 12 Edge Lukas Van Ness, Iowa


The Panthers have known who they’re going to pick since at least Tuesday. I believe it will be Bryce Young, although I still do believe the 2021 Heisman Trophy winner could be available for the Texans at No. 2. I have no indication the Texans do not like Stroud, a smooth passer whose penchant for precision and 85-to-12 touchdown-to-interception ratio make him the second-best QB available, if not the first. Yes, new coach DeMeco Ryans is defensive-oriented. But this draft is flush with edge rushers, and Van Ness could be available at No. 12.

Can the Texans afford to pass on a QB?

Alexander: I don’t think they can afford to pass on a quarterback. There’s no guarantee they’ll be picking among the top three next season. There’s no guarantee the top quarterbacks next year will be healthy. The Texans have to get a quarterback this year, and I think they should pick the best quarterback available.


The Texans were one of the worst passing teams in the league in 2022. And when you see a clear problem, you find a solution to fix that problem.


Fans are tired of the losing. The owners are, too. I understand, and agree you have to build an entire team. But quarterback is the most important position, and it’s not like the Texans would be reaching at No. 2.


The Texans can fix their problem this year.


Kubena: The Texans, like all NFL teams, know a quarterback is more essential to the success of a team than any other player. They have a prime opportunity to select one of two elite options at No. 2, and they could flex No. 12 to acquire Kentucky’s Will Levis or Florida’s Anthony Richardson in the next tier.


The Texans can’t guarantee they’ll hold such a high pick next year, and general manager Nick Caserio can’t guarantee he’ll be around to spend it. This isn’t last year, when the QB pool was down. This isn’t 2014, when Blake Bortles and Johnny Manziel were the only first-round choices. This isn’t 2006, when an offensive-minded coach (Gary Kubiak) believed he could revitalize a franchise quarterback (David Carr) taken with the team’s first-ever draft pick. This is a team whose needs are mostly offense-oriented, who ranked last in the league in yards per drive in each of the last two seasons, whose 2023 quarterbacks scored six touchdowns for the other team. I’d be greatly surprised if the Texans don’t pick a quarterback on day one, and if they don’t, they have a trade in mind.
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What to expect from Texans in 2023 draft: C.J. Stroud back in picture?

The Chronicle's Brooks Kubena and Jonathan M. Alexander break down the NFL draft for the...
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At 9 months, he is on schedule.

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CloakNNNdagger said:
Hooker suffered his ACL Nov. 19 2022 and underwent repair Dec. 12. According to all of my sources, his rehab is not ahead of schedule..........it is ON SCHEDULE. Players trying to come back prior to 7 months have been shown to be very high risk for subsequent injury. Seven months for Hooker will be July 12. Training Camp will begin 2 weeks later. Of course, he will be very limited in his offseason participation.

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Source: Tennessee quarterback Hendon Hooker visits Texans, to meet with several teams, ACL recovery ahead of schedule
Quarterback tore his ACL against South Carolina, expected back for start of NFL season

HOUSTON – University of Tennessee quarterback Hendon Hooker visited the Texans this week at NRG Stadium, according to a league source.
And the Volunteers standout, a Southeastern Conference Offensive Player of the Year and all-conference selection, has upcoming official visits with the Tennessee Titans, Indianapolis Colts, New York Giants and Tampa Bay Buccaneers and several others, per a source.

Hooker, 25, tore his anterior cruciate ligament against South Carolina in his final collegiate game, but has made significant progress in his rehabilitation, has resumed throwing and is expected to make a full recovery for the start of his rookie season.

“It’s going great,” Hooker said at the NFL scouting combine. “I plan to be healthy and 100 percent by camp time. There probably are some things I could so physically for teams, but I don’t want to take a chance. I would rather my knee be 100 percent. I am looking forward to a long career.”

Hooker, a Virginia Tech transfer who grew up in Greensboro, North Carolina, has excellent size at 6-foot-4, 222 pounds.

In his first season at Tennessee, he passed for 2,945 yards, 31 touchdowns and three interceptions with 616 rushing yards and five touchdown runs. He led the conference in adjusted passing yards per attempt and passing efficiency rating.

Hooker finished fifth in the Heisman trophy award balloting last season, leading the Vols to a 52-49 win over Alabama as he passed for 385 yards, five touchdowns and one interception.
He passed for 3,127 yards, 27 touchdowns and two interceptions and rushed for 430 yards and five touchdowns.

Hooker has been mentored by Hall of Fame quarterback Peyton Manning, receiving advice from him and Eli Manning.

“Anything that I have ever asked him, he has given me a great answer,” Hooker said. “I once asked him and Eli what it takes to make teammates have the same hunger and drive that you do, and they gave me some great answers. I won’t let the secret sauce out, but I applied those and they helped me out this season.”
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Lucky said:
I just like that so many believe in the S2 test, when they have no idea of what it is. Just another example of a phenomena that has plenty of data points. Groupthink.
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With any test there are pros and cons.

I don’t believe what a person scores on a test determines what they can do in real life situations.

First responders train and test for situations and until they are actually in it they know nothing.

Same with any field.

There are certain instincts people have in live action that over in any kind of virtual reality experience. I think we all know that person that is book smart but can’t do a job.

I don’t put a lot a weight in the S2, Wonderlic or GPA.

Prove on the workplace/field.

I say that too as someone who isn’t too fond of drafting Stroud.

The coaches will be able to tell if he knows football or be able to read a defense.

S2 is just one measure but may be only 5% of a full evaluation.
 
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Lucky said:
Why does that test trump a great college career?
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Because no QB that's ever scored poorly on the S-2 has had a successful NFL career. But Stroud is the outlier and you have to deal with his agent, plus he's been proven to be all about money, not championships and his word isn't his bond. Otherwise he's a great guy.
 
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