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#12 Pick

leebigeztx said:
Watson line was just as bad as Carr line. The huge difference is Watson could escape whereas Carr would fold up like a cheap suit. I mean he broke Carr record of being sacked the most in a season. Imo, they have spent enough high resources on the oline. 3 1st rd picks, traded for another oline player. Texans don't have a top 50 wr on the roster. No speed, no 1 v 1 beaters.
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This is not true.

Pro Football Reference Most Sacked in a Season

1st and 3rd place go to Carr. Watson's worst season only got him to 5th.

EDIT: Adding the bold.
 
What about trading up to 3? Looks like 3 12 + 32 + next years 1 should get it done? If you need an edge rusher, why not?

Seems like Arizona could be in a position to get out of 3. You might be in a position to get some of it back and have some control if another team wants a qb and get to ruin whatever plans indy has.
 
Texanmike02 said:
What about trading up to 3? Looks like 3 12 + 32 + next years 1 should get it done? If you need an edge rusher, why not?

Seems like Arizona could be in a position to get out of 3. You might be in a position to get some of it back and have some control if another team wants a qb and get to ruin whatever plans indy has.
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That's what I been thinking. Your QB is there @ #2, you take Anderson, then trade back up to #3 with Arizona.
You take away Arizona's pick and then they have to rethink. If they do it, you get the best pass rusher and your QB!
Works for me.
 
Texansphan said:
That's what I been thinking. Your QB is there @ #2, you take Anderson, then trade back up to #3 with Arizona.
You take away Arizona's pick and then they have to rethink. If they do it, you get the best pass rusher and your QB!
Works for me.
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Yeah. And if you do it before the draft maybe somebody falls in love with a different qb and you get your capital back.
 
Lucky said:
Look at how easy the game of football is to Bijan Robinson. Do I need to use a burst of speed? OK. How about I make this spin move? Or this 90 degree cut? Oh, I need to highpoint this ball and make a fingertip catch? No big deal.

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And many on here would take a WR over him at 12. He’s the best offensive weapon in this draft and it’s not even close.
 
mussop said:
And many on here would take a WR over him at 12. He’s the best offensive weapon in this draft and it’s not even close.
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If you want to add a weapon to the offense then you add Robinson over any other skill player if he’s there at 12. There are good WRs available but none that will impact a DC’s gameplan like Robinson. Yes, the team has Pierce and Singletary, which is great. But adding Robinson makes it the best RB room in the NFL.

And your top two backs are on their rookie contracts with fresh legs. If you choose to go that route of course…
 
TheRealJoker said:
If you want to add a weapon to the offense then you add Robinson over any other skill player if he’s there at 12. There are good WRs available but none that will impact a DC’s gameplan like Robinson. Yes, the team has Pierce and Singletary, which is great. But adding Robinson makes it the best RB room in the NFL.

And your top two backs are on their rookie contracts with fresh legs. If you choose to go that route of course…
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That's why I can see them taking a TE instead of a top RB - they already have a good RB corp but now add a quality TE and you can have one on both sides of the hashmarks.
Still, they could definitely do with some major upgrades in the receiving Corp.
Jalin Hyatt could be a nice weapon and a step in the right direction.
 
Texansphan said:
That's why I can see them taking a TE instead of a top RB - they already have a good RB corp but now add a quality TE and you can have one on both sides of the hashmarks.
Still, they could definitely do with some major upgrades in the receiving Corp.
Jalin Hyatt could be a nice weapon and a step in the right direction.
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They already added a quality TE
 
TheRealJoker said:
If you want to add a weapon to the offense then you add Robinson over any other skill player if he’s there at 12. There are good WRs available but none that will impact a DC’s gameplan like Robinson. Yes, the team has Pierce and Singletary, which is great. But adding Robinson makes it the best RB room in the NFL.

And your top two backs are on their rookie contracts with fresh legs. If you choose to go that route of course…
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So if we drafts B Rob at 12, does he become the starting RB?
 
Texansphan said:
That's why I can see them taking a TE instead of a top RB - they already have a good RB corp but now add a quality TE and you can have one on both sides of the hashmarks.
Still, they could definitely do with some major upgrades in the receiving Corp.
Jalin Hyatt could be a nice weapon and a step in the right direction.
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I think they will go either Wr or DE.
 
mussop said:
And many on here would take a WR over him at 12. He’s the best offensive weapon in this draft and it’s not even close.
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longevity of position and need play a huge role. If they were truly considering Bijon they would have never signed Devon. Its not complicated.Odds are very low for Bijan at 12. If he dropped to 33 that’s different but dont see him making it there.
 
Nobody expected Caserio to take Mills two years ago with his first pick, and last year nobody expected Caserio would take Stingley with his first pick either. But this year, everybody expects him to take a QB with that 1st pick. What happens if he pulls a Caserio on us and does something unexpected again? More interestingly, what on earth would that be?
 
Texansphan said:
I would say no earlier than #33, but if you go back through our conversation, you will better understand.
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Except this whole thread including our conversation has been about pick #12... at least I thought it was
 
Thorn said:
Nobody expected Caserio to take Mills two years ago with his first pick, and last year nobody expected Caserio would take Stingley with his first pick either. But this year, everybody expects him to take a QB with that 1st pick. What happens if he pulls a Caserio on us and does something unexpected again? More interestingly, what on earth would that be?
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Edge rusher at #2... Anderson is the best
 
Thorn said:
I'd love it if that happened. Upset a lot of folks though. He'd probably end up taking the best-of-the-rest QBs at either 1.12 or the 2nd round which, of course, would really stir this board up. :lol:
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Wouldn't that be fun?
 
JB said:
So you would rather take another TE that high even if he's an inferior talent to the RB?
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We already have a satisfactory upgrade at RB and it can be argued the TE corp has too, but like I have already stated, one on either side of the line would create some problems for defenses
Would you prefer a RB or a TE at #12?
 
Mollywhopper said:
I agree that Bijan at 12 in all imaginable likelihood is the BPA at 12. That's not really the argument though, imo, enough to make him the pick there.

BPA vs need is the usual argument. And I'd also agree that this team needs as much talent and should be shooting for BPA as often as possible. The problem is that RB is really a whole other animal nowadays. And 100% yes, Robinson can do some more things than than the classic workhorse RB. Receiving out of the backfield, lining up out wide, etc. Nonetheless there's a reason the position has been devalued in recent years. It just takes a toll. BPA vs RB really amounts to BPA vs luxury anymore, and we're at least a year or two away from considering a luxury pick at 12 or better.

I firmly believe Bijan could immediately make the offense better. Unquestionably. The problem rears it's head at the crossroads of where the team as a whole becomes truly contender worthy versus when the decision has to be made on whether to give, and how much the cost, him a second contract. We're talking 4-ish years, at best, before deciding to dump loads of money into a rapidly depreciating asset, which should coincide with just the time the team would hopefully be hitting it's full stride as an AFC standout.

Should they take a QB at 2 like most assume, and should that QB be truly the one, then we're hoping in his year two that we can really push not just the AFC south but the AFC playoffs for everything their worth. That would be fun, of course. Now enter that year 3, and assuming Robinson has been balling out then the contract chatter will already be running high - alongside that of his QB draft classmate. And alongside financially that of whatever 'final' pieces may be in consideration. Given the nature of the position I wonder who the oddman out could be? Dallas had this exact same dilemma. That didn't look fun, and I don't envy having what was a seemingly inevitable outcome.

Bijan is a rare breed for sure. But so seemed Christian McCaffrey. So seemed Saquon Barkley. So seemed Dalvin Cook. These guys do happen. What also happens is Nick Chubb, Miles Sanders, Aaron Jones, Kenneth Walker, Joe Mixon, and Jonathan Taylor. Solid as f*ck dudes you can get later.

And funny enough at the end of the day... not a single one have won a SB.
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Pierce and Singletary seal the issue imo

Would Bijan earn more trying to be the next Deebo rather than the next stud rb?
 
Texansphan said:
We already have a satisfactory upgrade at RB and it can be argued the TE corp has too, but like I have already stated, one on either side of the line would create some problems for defenses
Would you prefer a RB or a TE at #12?
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If the RB is Bijan Robinson him over any TE. He will cause much bigger problems for defenses and that isn't in doubt
 
Porky said:
longevity of position and need play a huge role. If they were truly considering Bijon they would have never signed Devon. Its not complicated.Odds are very low for Bijan at 12. If he dropped to 33 that’s different but dont see him making it there.
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Bijan would fit with a team in contention right now like Philly or Dallas. The Texans are at least 3 years away from legit status and that depends on the qb. The rbs have 3-5 years now days, see Zeke.
 
leebigeztx said:
Bijan would fit with a team in contention right now like Philly or Dallas. The Texans are at least 3 years away from legit status and that depends on the qb. The rbs have 3-5 years now days, see Zeke.
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Bijan is much closer to McCaffrey than to Elliot. McCaffrey still going strong after 6. Even with a shortened career, I would much rather have him than any TE
 
Thorn said:
Nobody expected Caserio to take Mills two years ago with his first pick, and last year nobody expected Caserio would take Stingley with his first pick either. But this year, everybody expects him to take a QB with that 1st pick. What happens if he pulls a Caserio on us and does something unexpected again? More interestingly, what on earth would that be?
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Caserio will take Will Levi's.
 
Porky said:
longevity of position and need play a huge role. If they were truly considering Bijon they would have never signed Devon. Its not complicated.Odds are very low for Bijan at 12. If he dropped to 33 that’s different but dont see him making it there.
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Yea I'd go long with that analysis. We so need a #1 WR and an edge-rusher bad so I'd expect them to draft one of those positions at 12.
I'm very set against drafting a running back too high - I think it' crazy to use a top 5 pick on a back in these days of such domination by the passing game, but outside of the top picks if the backs seems really special and is as versatile as the UT back would seem to be then he might be worthy of the top half of the first round.
 
Levis is dropping by all accounts. He’s had a poor run up to the draft and supposedly has not interviews-end very well. Speculation I know. That said I could see Vegas taking a chance with him if Richardson is gone. I could also see Levis slipping all the way out of the first rd.
 
beerlover said:
Hopefully Levis is @ #12 or Richardson (less than 50%) but if one there, could take a lucrative trade down offer.
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Interesting.

We should be rooting for Rodgers not to sign with the jets then.
 
Drafting Bijan at #12 is a no brainer as he will make a QB's options a dream while the defense will be spinning like a broken shopping cart
 
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