#12 Pick
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The Pencil Neck
Hall of Fame
My expectation is for #12 to be a WR, with a possibility of an Edge rusher, and an outside chance of Bijan Robinson.
If they do not go QB at #2, there's a chance we could do that here if one falls.
If they do not go QB at #2, there's a chance we could do that here if one falls.
The Pencil Neck
Hall of Fame
I had a high expectation for this to be a WR even before the Cooks trade because I expected Cooks to get moved at some point anyway.
But I wouldn't be surprised by an edge rusher. God knows we need a couple of those.
1) the sexy pick is Bjan Robinson 2) the prudent pick is Quentin Johnson 3) logical pick is Calijah Kancey or Lukas Van Ness
Texansphan
Football connoisseur
You gotta admit, it is hard to pass up on multi-talented players - like killing two birds with one stone.
Kancey may be good, but he is not going to be an every down player as with most big DL.
The1ApplePie
Hall of Fame
Johnson probably has the highest ceiling of all the WRs, could be really special with good coaching. Bjan would be fantastic, but I doubt he makes it to 12.
12 is a much more appealing trade down pick than 2, so that is a strong possibility.
Take BPA. This team will most likely have a need at whatever position it will be.
Thorn
Dirty Old Man
They could draft BPA the entire next two drafts and not hit them all.
The Pencil Neck
Hall of Fame
I said the same thing last year. They could go BPA straight down the board.
This year, I'd take Tackle off the list at the top of the draft. I'm also not feeling as much need to draft CBs. Other than that, yeah.
But then you hit the whole thing about everyone having their own subjective measurements for who the BPA actually is.
Porky
Hall of Fame
55% chance WR, 35% DE/Edge, 5% Bijon, 5% other position. I'm assuming they aren't signing another FA or making some sort of trade at this point.
I had it close to equal with edge and WR b4 FA, but the fact that they went "old vet" in FA with Woods, and then traded Cooks leaves that cupboard remarkably bare. Other than QB, it's the worst group on the team. You can't count on Metchie. He's a bonus if he kicks butt. The individual players available will play a role in the 1.12 selection, but if a WR isn't picked there, they will grab one at 2.33.
I'm leaning toward JSN, but I could buy into Q Johnston too. Those are really my only guys at 1.12 at WR. At 2.33, I like Zay Flowers if he makes it that far.
I had it close to equal with edge and WR b4 FA, but the fact that they went "old vet" in FA with Woods, and then traded Cooks leaves that cupboard remarkably bare. Other than QB, it's the worst group on the team. You can't count on Metchie. He's a bonus if he kicks butt. The individual players available will play a role in the 1.12 selection, but if a WR isn't picked there, they will grab one at 2.33.
I'm leaning toward JSN, but I could buy into Q Johnston too. Those are really my only guys at 1.12 at WR. At 2.33, I like Zay Flowers if he makes it that far.
Texansballer74
The Marine
I’m thinking they’ll trade back and acquire an additional pick in the 2nd round.
I’m hoping they draft either Johnston or Jaxon.
I’m hoping they draft either Johnston or Jaxon.
lukecolley1011
Practice Squad
Depends, if they draft Stroud I think itll be smart to pick Njigba. His stats in the rose bowl are just insane.
Mr teX
Hall of Fame
Keep forgetting about this dude b/c he didn't play last year. Known more as a polished route runner ,Adding JSN in with a young offensive core of Bryce, Pierce Metchie & Nico...Would
that.
dalemurphy
Hall of Fame
Upgrade the run game, pass protection, receiving options, and make the rookie QB better by drafting TE Darnell Washington.
badboy
Hall of Fame
That was before his injury in 2022 season, correct?
TheRealJoker
Hall of Fame
I’m hoping edge rusher or trade down.
Problem with the WRs at 12 is it seems like they would excel as slot WRs and Metchie was drafted for that role. Other than Johnston the others are slot guys or slight of frame like Hyatt. I don’t really see the alpha WR. Not to say none of them can become that.
And i’m in the minority but I am happy with the WR room THIS SEASON without needing to spend a premium pick on it. There will be two first round picks next season to address if its clear they need to. Add a speed guy if you want round 4 or Mingo if he’s there to audition for the Deebo role. But I want to see how this mix of WRs pan out to use #12 to address the trenches.
All that being said, I expect WR taken because it sells tickets with a shiny franchise QB. But I am holding out hope that DeMeco gets what he wants which is a badass edge rusher of which there are plenty to choose from.
But this is going to be a run-oriented football team and they just added a top 10 TE. Look at this group and compare them to the group the Jags trotted out opening day last season. I would put the potential of this group as good or better than the Jags with Christian Kirk/Zay Jones/Evan Engram and Etienne at RB.
Problem with the WRs at 12 is it seems like they would excel as slot WRs and Metchie was drafted for that role. Other than Johnston the others are slot guys or slight of frame like Hyatt. I don’t really see the alpha WR. Not to say none of them can become that.
And i’m in the minority but I am happy with the WR room THIS SEASON without needing to spend a premium pick on it. There will be two first round picks next season to address if its clear they need to. Add a speed guy if you want round 4 or Mingo if he’s there to audition for the Deebo role. But I want to see how this mix of WRs pan out to use #12 to address the trenches.
All that being said, I expect WR taken because it sells tickets with a shiny franchise QB. But I am holding out hope that DeMeco gets what he wants which is a badass edge rusher of which there are plenty to choose from.
But this is going to be a run-oriented football team and they just added a top 10 TE. Look at this group and compare them to the group the Jags trotted out opening day last season. I would put the potential of this group as good or better than the Jags with Christian Kirk/Zay Jones/Evan Engram and Etienne at RB.
GanadoUHCoog
Waterboy
They will pick top rated edge rusher left if I had to put $ on it.
I’d love to have a healthy Njigba as well. Emphasis on the healthy..
badboy
Hall of Fame
If njigba-smith hadn't been injured, I would have been okay with him at pick two.
He’s a special talent for sure..
Texansphan
Football connoisseur
I think he'll be gone also, but if QB's go early someone will drop
Texansphan
Football connoisseur
Murphy is looking like a likely pick at 12.
It's possible they might jump on QJ if he's there, but I'm thinking they need a decent pass rusher or even two. They have worked a few nice FAs into this offense and might roll with what they have now - except for one last glaring need at Center.
I'm really stoked with the Schultz and Singletary signings. And Shaq Mason.
Can't wait to watch our running game.
Marcus
Windmill cancer survivor
LOL.. that’s why draft day is so much fun. Watching all of you draftniks jump out of windows with grief every year is so entertaining.
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Texansphan
Football connoisseur
Yep - we got to get more pressure on the QB and give our spiffy DBs a chance at the rock.
lukecolley1011
Practice Squad
Lets go back to Deshaun Watson. He got hurt in his senior year and played with a torn ACL. When he got drafted he absolutely EXPLODED for us (until he tore it again). But my point is that Jaxon can play and this kid has chemistry with Stroud. Jaxon WITH 2 Pro receivers around him (Chris Olave and Garrett Wilson) still managed to put up 1606 yards receiving as a 3rd slot receiver. Then with him as the Number 1 receiver (Rose Bowl Game), he puts up 15 receptions, for three touchdowns and 347 YARDS. When this kid is fully healthy. HE IS HIM!
Here are his highlights from the Rose Bowl.
Mr teX
Hall of Fame
Young and Metchie had a few years together as well.
So if CJ is the pick and we wind up with JSN We’re destined to get a duo.
sandman
Brexit Advisor
That was Young's Heisman year. Metchie had 96/1142/8. And he was WR2. I would take that.
Porky
Hall of Fame
Yup, either way we're getting a college duo. Either CJ/JSC or Bryce/Metchie. I'd bet money it's one or the other. Leaning toward Bryce simply because I feel Panthers more likely go CJ.
Still concerned Metchie will never reach his capabilities but crossing all fingers and toes.
Still concerned Metchie will never reach his capabilities but crossing all fingers and toes.
sandman
Brexit Advisor
This team still needs a WR1, but Metchie's strength is his route running so expecting him to be a very solid WR2 even if from the slot.
Porky
Hall of Fame
I'm just expecting him to live a full and decent life. Anything he gives to the Texans or another team is just icing on top of the cake. Let's not lose sight of his cancer diagnosis. And all due respect to modern medicine, but these cancer treatments are very tough on a body. I'm rooting for him, I'd love to see him ball out. But am I expecting it? Not really. I think Nick and company need to consider him like manna from heaven. If it works, he's a good problem to have. If he can't cut it due to the cancer/treatments/recovery time needed...then it's expected and you move on for 2023 and hope for next year or just cut him loose if you must.
I am all in on a top cb pick 12 .
OptimisticTexan
2023 / Rebuilding Block 3 / Go Texans
Three potential solutions could be there for the solution.
1. Use Nico Collins to obtain Denzel Mims from the Jets. This could be a win for both teams.
2. Use the 12th pick on Quentin Johnston, and move Mims to WR2.
3. Trade the 12th and pick Jalin Hyatt later in RD1. Mims is WR1 and Hyatt is WR2b.
It puts size and speed outside while giving Metchie the slot to work from.
The Pencil Neck
Hall of Fame
I have to respect your dedication to the idea of trading Collins for Mims. It borders on obsessive at this point.
OptimisticTexan
2023 / Rebuilding Block 3 / Go Texans
The Texans need a WR1 with take the top off defenses speed…..the Jets just happen to have one.I have to respect your dedication to the idea of trading Collins for Mims. It borders on obsessive at this point.
Texans have a big possession WR2 who hasn’t stayed healthy to this point in his young career, but could fill a need for the Jets.
I liked Denzel Mims when he was in the draft…..getting him and that 4.3-40 speed later with little to no wear on the tires, it might border on obsessive, but it would be a great move for the Texans.
Texansballer74
The Marine
TheRealJoker
Hall of Fame
He’s not a WR1. If he were, he’d have been playing more.
OptimisticTexan
2023 / Rebuilding Block 3 / Go Texans
Not a darn thing. They’ve not utilized a weapon they drafted.
He was drafted 59th overall in 2020. Missed camp due to a hamstring injury. Put on IR and didn’t return until WK7 to make his debut.
Both 2021-2022 he found himself in the HC’s doghouse and under utilized. Not much word as to why this happened.
Biggest note against him was some concentration drops during his first three seasons. Based on the amount of targets over that span….not a big enough issue.
Jets drafted two more WR’s higher in the draft 2021 and 2022:
2021 / RD2-34: Elijah Moore (Ole Miss)
2022 / RD1-10: Garrett Wilson (Ohio St)
What I did like from his (3) seasons were his average per catch; 20- 15.5 / 21- 16.6 / 22- 16.9. Need to get him the ball more often, and you can’t do that having him ride the bench. New coach Hackett feels like the team can salvage Mims, but I’m guessing a good option might open them up to trade talks.
Nico Collins was my big target in the draft. Nico has looked good when he stayed on the field. Solid possession receiver and good Red Zone target. Nico’s negative is his ability to stay healthy.
2021: G- 14 / GS- 8
2022: G- 10 / GS- 7
Maybe a change of scenery helps both players reach their original potential.
TheRealJoker
Hall of Fame
I’d do the standard 6th with a 7th round and player in return deal for Mims. Nothing more, nothing less.
sandman
Brexit Advisor
Why would the Jets trade for an oft injured player? That is such a Texans move.
OptimisticTexan
2023 / Rebuilding Block 3 / Go Texans
Both teams would be trading for players who've not reached their projected upside. Jets could use a possession receiver and the Texans could use WR1/WR2 type.
sandman
Brexit Advisor
I get that. Just saying that a big part of Collins not reaching his potential is his availability. He's missed 10 games in two seasons.
He's not underutilized. He's unavailable.