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#12 Pick

Mr teX

Mr teX

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I think we all need to move on from the #2 pick as pretty much all of us believe the Texans are going qb there. I think the more intriguing pick is #12. With that in mind, what do you guys think we'll do at #12 assuming they pick the qb at 2?
 
i would've said only edge rusher at 12 before today. I think WR along with edge rusher is on the table with the Cooks trade now tho.
 
Mr teX said:
i would've said only edge rusher at 12 before today. I think WR along with edge rusher is on the table with the Cooks trade now tho.
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I had a high expectation for this to be a WR even before the Cooks trade because I expected Cooks to get moved at some point anyway.

But I wouldn't be surprised by an edge rusher. God knows we need a couple of those.
 
justmy2cents said:
1) the sexy pick is Bjan Robinson 2) the prudent pick is Quentin Johnson 3) logical pick is Calijah Kancey or Lukas Van Ness
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You gotta admit, it is hard to pass up on multi-talented players - like killing two birds with one stone.
Kancey may be good, but he is not going to be an every down player as with most big DL.
 
justmy2cents said:
1) the sexy pick is Bjan Robinson 2) the prudent pick is Quentin Johnson 3) logical pick is Calijah Kancey or Lukas Van Ness
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Johnson probably has the highest ceiling of all the WRs, could be really special with good coaching. Bjan would be fantastic, but I doubt he makes it to 12.

12 is a much more appealing trade down pick than 2, so that is a strong possibility.
 
Double Barrel said:
Take BPA. This team will most likely have a need at whatever position it will be.
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I said the same thing last year. They could go BPA straight down the board.

This year, I'd take Tackle off the list at the top of the draft. I'm also not feeling as much need to draft CBs. Other than that, yeah.

But then you hit the whole thing about everyone having their own subjective measurements for who the BPA actually is.
 
55% chance WR, 35% DE/Edge, 5% Bijon, 5% other position. I'm assuming they aren't signing another FA or making some sort of trade at this point.

I had it close to equal with edge and WR b4 FA, but the fact that they went "old vet" in FA with Woods, and then traded Cooks leaves that cupboard remarkably bare. Other than QB, it's the worst group on the team. You can't count on Metchie. He's a bonus if he kicks butt. The individual players available will play a role in the 1.12 selection, but if a WR isn't picked there, they will grab one at 2.33.

I'm leaning toward JSN, but I could buy into Q Johnston too. Those are really my only guys at 1.12 at WR. At 2.33, I like Zay Flowers if he makes it that far.
 
I’m hoping edge rusher or trade down.

Problem with the WRs at 12 is it seems like they would excel as slot WRs and Metchie was drafted for that role. Other than Johnston the others are slot guys or slight of frame like Hyatt. I don’t really see the alpha WR. Not to say none of them can become that.

And i’m in the minority but I am happy with the WR room THIS SEASON without needing to spend a premium pick on it. There will be two first round picks next season to address if its clear they need to. Add a speed guy if you want round 4 or Mingo if he’s there to audition for the Deebo role. But I want to see how this mix of WRs pan out to use #12 to address the trenches.

All that being said, I expect WR taken because it sells tickets with a shiny franchise QB. But I am holding out hope that DeMeco gets what he wants which is a badass edge rusher of which there are plenty to choose from.

But this is going to be a run-oriented football team and they just added a top 10 TE. Look at this group and compare them to the group the Jags trotted out opening day last season. I would put the potential of this group as good or better than the Jags with Christian Kirk/Zay Jones/Evan Engram and Etienne at RB.
 
IMO, the 12 pick and the 33 pick are reversible. If you take a WR at 12 then edge at 33. If edge at 12 then WR at 33. It will depend on the quality of the player at 12 as to which is picked first. Personally, I'm hoping for WR at 12, but would be more than ok with edge.
 
JB said:
I think he'll be gone also, but if QB's go early someone will drop
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Murphy is looking like a likely pick at 12.
It's possible they might jump on QJ if he's there, but I'm thinking they need a decent pass rusher or even two. They have worked a few nice FAs into this offense and might roll with what they have now - except for one last glaring need at Center.
I'm really stoked with the Schultz and Singletary signings. And Shaq Mason.
Can't wait to watch our running game.
 
badboy said:
That was before his injury in 2022 season, correct?
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Lets go back to Deshaun Watson. He got hurt in his senior year and played with a torn ACL. When he got drafted he absolutely EXPLODED for us (until he tore it again). But my point is that Jaxon can play and this kid has chemistry with Stroud. Jaxon WITH 2 Pro receivers around him (Chris Olave and Garrett Wilson) still managed to put up 1606 yards receiving as a 3rd slot receiver. Then with him as the Number 1 receiver (Rose Bowl Game), he puts up 15 receptions, for three touchdowns and 347 YARDS. When this kid is fully healthy. HE IS HIM!
Here are his highlights from the Rose Bowl.
 
Yup, either way we're getting a college duo. Either CJ/JSC or Bryce/Metchie. I'd bet money it's one or the other. Leaning toward Bryce simply because I feel Panthers more likely go CJ.

Still concerned Metchie will never reach his capabilities but crossing all fingers and toes.
 
Porky said:
Yup, either way we're getting a college duo. Either CJ/JSC or Bryce/Metchie. I'd bet money it's one or the other. Leaning toward Bryce simply because I feel Panthers more likely go CJ.

Still concerned Metchie will never reach his capabilities but crossing all fingers and toes.
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This team still needs a WR1, but Metchie's strength is his route running so expecting him to be a very solid WR2 even if from the slot.
 
sandman said:
This team still needs a WR1, but Metchie's strength is his route running so expecting him to be a very solid WR2 even if from the slot.
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I'm just expecting him to live a full and decent life. Anything he gives to the Texans or another team is just icing on top of the cake. Let's not lose sight of his cancer diagnosis. And all due respect to modern medicine, but these cancer treatments are very tough on a body. I'm rooting for him, I'd love to see him ball out. But am I expecting it? Not really. I think Nick and company need to consider him like manna from heaven. If it works, he's a good problem to have. If he can't cut it due to the cancer/treatments/recovery time needed...then it's expected and you move on for 2023 and hope for next year or just cut him loose if you must.
 
Mr teX said:
I think we all need to move on from the #2 pick as pretty much all of us believe the Texans are going qb there. I think the more intriguing pick is #12. With that in mind, what do you guys think we'll do at #12 assuming they pick the qb at 2?
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I am all in on a top cb pick 12 .
 
sandman said:
This team still needs a WR1, but Metchie's strength is his route running so expecting him to be a very solid WR2 even if from the slot.
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Three potential solutions could be there for the solution.

1. Use Nico Collins to obtain Denzel Mims from the Jets. This could be a win for both teams.

2. Use the 12th pick on Quentin Johnston, and move Mims to WR2.

3. Trade the 12th and pick Jalin Hyatt later in RD1. Mims is WR1 and Hyatt is WR2b.

It puts size and speed outside while giving Metchie the slot to work from.
 
OptimisticTexan said:
Three potential solutions could be there for the solution.

1. Use Nico Collins to obtain Denzel Mims from the Jets. This could be a win for both teams.

2. Use the 12th pick on Quentin Johnston, and move Mims to WR2.

3. Trade the 12th and pick Jalin Hyatt later in RD1. Mims is WR1 and Hyatt is WR2b.

It puts size and speed outside while giving Metchie the slot to work from.
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I have to respect your dedication to the idea of trading Collins for Mims. It borders on obsessive at this point.


:bravo:
 
The Pencil Neck said:
I have to respect your dedication to the idea of trading Collins for Mims. It borders on obsessive at this point.


:bravo:
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The Texans need a WR1 with take the top off defenses speed…..the Jets just happen to have one.

Texans have a big possession WR2 who hasn’t stayed healthy to this point in his young career, but could fill a need for the Jets.

I liked Denzel Mims when he was in the draft…..getting him and that 4.3-40 speed later with little to no wear on the tires, it might border on obsessive, but it would be a great move for the Texans.
 
Porky said:
What has Mims done as a pro?
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Not a darn thing. They’ve not utilized a weapon they drafted.

He was drafted 59th overall in 2020. Missed camp due to a hamstring injury. Put on IR and didn’t return until WK7 to make his debut.

Both 2021-2022 he found himself in the HC’s doghouse and under utilized. Not much word as to why this happened.

Biggest note against him was some concentration drops during his first three seasons. Based on the amount of targets over that span….not a big enough issue.

Jets drafted two more WR’s higher in the draft 2021 and 2022:
2021 / RD2-34: Elijah Moore (Ole Miss)
2022 / RD1-10: Garrett Wilson (Ohio St)

What I did like from his (3) seasons were his average per catch; 20- 15.5 / 21- 16.6 / 22- 16.9. Need to get him the ball more often, and you can’t do that having him ride the bench. New coach Hackett feels like the team can salvage Mims, but I’m guessing a good option might open them up to trade talks.

Nico Collins was my big target in the draft. Nico has looked good when he stayed on the field. Solid possession receiver and good Red Zone target. Nico’s negative is his ability to stay healthy.
2021: G- 14 / GS- 8
2022: G- 10 / GS- 7

Maybe a change of scenery helps both players reach their original potential.
 
OptimisticTexan said:
Not a darn thing. They’ve not utilized a weapon they drafted.

He was drafted 59th overall in 2020. Missed camp due to a hamstring injury. Put on IR and didn’t return until WK7 to make his debut.

Both 2021-2022 he found himself in the HC’s doghouse and under utilized. Not much word as to why this happened.

Biggest note against him was some concentration drops during his first three seasons. Based on the amount of targets over that span….not a big enough issue.

Jets drafted two more WR’s higher in the draft 2021 and 2022:
2021 / RD2-34: Elijah Moore (Ole Miss)
2022 / RD1-10: Garrett Wilson (Ohio St)

What I did like from his (3) seasons were his average per catch; 20- 15.5 / 21- 16.6 / 22- 16.9. Need to get him the ball more often, and you can’t do that having him ride the bench. New coach Hackett feels like the team can salvage Mims, but I’m guessing a good option might open them up to trade talks.

Nico Collins was my big target in the draft. Nico has looked good when he stayed on the field. Solid possession receiver and good Red Zone target. Nico’s negative is his ability to stay healthy.
2021: G- 14 / GS- 8
2022: G- 10 / GS- 7

Maybe a change of scenery helps both players reach their original potential.
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I’d do the standard 6th with a 7th round and player in return deal for Mims. Nothing more, nothing less.
 
OptimisticTexan said:
Not a darn thing. They’ve not utilized a weapon they drafted.

He was drafted 59th overall in 2020. Missed camp due to a hamstring injury. Put on IR and didn’t return until WK7 to make his debut.

Both 2021-2022 he found himself in the HC’s doghouse and under utilized. Not much word as to why this happened.

Biggest note against him was some concentration drops during his first three seasons. Based on the amount of targets over that span….not a big enough issue.

Jets drafted two more WR’s higher in the draft 2021 and 2022:
2021 / RD2-34: Elijah Moore (Ole Miss)
2022 / RD1-10: Garrett Wilson (Ohio St)

What I did like from his (3) seasons were his average per catch; 20- 15.5 / 21- 16.6 / 22- 16.9. Need to get him the ball more often, and you can’t do that having him ride the bench. New coach Hackett feels like the team can salvage Mims, but I’m guessing a good option might open them up to trade talks.

Nico Collins was my big target in the draft. Nico has looked good when he stayed on the field. Solid possession receiver and good Red Zone target. Nico’s negative is his ability to stay healthy.
2021: G- 14 / GS- 8
2022: G- 10 / GS- 7

Maybe a change of scenery helps both players reach their original potential.
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Why would the Jets trade for an oft injured player? That is such a Texans move.
 
sandman said:
Why would the Jets trade for an oft injured player? That is such a Texans move.
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Both teams would be trading for players who've not reached their projected upside. Jets could use a possession receiver and the Texans could use WR1/WR2 type.
 
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