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2023 Free Agency

Ward is old but finally Nick gets off his keyster amd makes a meaningful move. Should be a leader in the secondary. This is the kind of tier 2 or tier 3 moves he should be making, not guys that might not even make the team. Ridiculous start…slow improvement with Ward now keep it going with a Center and Zach Allen and we can move up to a C letter grade.
 
Porky said:
Ward is old but finally Nick gets off his keyster amd makes a meaningful move. Should be a leader in the secondary. This is the kind of tier 2 or tier 3 moves he should be making, not guys that might not even make the team. Ridiculous start…slow improvement with Ward now keep it going with a Center and Zach Allen and we can move up to a C letter grade.
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Broncos got Allen.
 
I’ll have to see the Ward contract but that’s a good start. Give me a decent center in free agency and I’m feeling alright about the FA class.

Could use a LB too can’t walk into the season with Kirksey as a starter
 
Can the first post of this thread be edited to track all FA signings and losses, or perhaps a new thread with a tracker?
 
Did a little more background on Ward. Dude cant stay healthy. 32 yrs old, missed 5 games last year, and has only had two healthy seasons. In other words, a perfect addition to Stingley. They can share hot tubs and training tables. Perfect Nick signing.
 
Does nobody like the Robert Woods signing? He was the top WR on the flaming thumbtacks last season, and they would have loved to have had Mills as their QB. Every season that Woods and Cooks played together, Woods was by far the most productive. If woods would have been on the Texans last season, he probably would have been the top WR for us. What Woods brings to the Texans is a solid veteran WR, that can mentor any rookie WR's, and gives us the freedom to get rid of Cooks.
 
vtech9 said:
Does nobody like the Robert Woods signing? He was the top WR on the flaming thumbtacks last season, and they would have loved to have had Mills as their QB. Every season that Woods and Cooks played together, Woods was by far the most productive. If woods would have been on the Texans last season, he probably would have been the top WR for us. What Woods brings to the Texans is a solid veteran WR, that can mentor any rookie WR's, and gives us the freedom to get rid of Cooks.
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It’s not a bad signing imo, just didn’t get the heart racing. He’s a good vet to bring in presuming cooks is traded. They are similar types of players.

A lot of people want a splashy signing and while they can be exciting, they are not always or often necessary. If the signings fit what the coaches want to do, then I am good.
 
Porky said:
Did a little more background on Ward. Dude cant stay healthy. 32 yrs old, missed 5 games last year, and has only had two healthy seasons. In other words, a perfect addition to Stingley. They can share hot tubs and training tables. Perfect Nick signing.
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He played in 16 games 2021, 14 in 2020, 13 in 2019. Not sure how you think he can’t stay healthy.
 
hookinreds said:
Broncos got Allen.
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The move means Allen will continue playing for Vance Joseph. Joseph was the defensive coordinator in Arizona for the past four seasons and now has the same job in Denver.

Allen joined the Cardinals as a 2019 third-round pick, so he’s played for Joseph his entire career. He had 47 tackles, 5.5 sacks, 10 tackles for loss, and 20 quarterback hits in 13 games for the Cardinals last season.
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djohn2oo8 said:
Probably more games played than Watt in his latter seasons. Also, Ward still played in 12 games. It’s nonsense to be that anal about 5 games.
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You think it's being anal and is nonsense to question a player's ability to get on the field for 5 games?
 
Lucky said:
Not to crap on a signing that hasn't happened, but Allen hasn't done much thus far in his career. I hope there's not a lot of $$$ involved.
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I would have been OK with him coming aboard but I'm OK with him going elsewhere as he did.
 
djohn2oo8 said:
Probably more games played than Watt in his latter seasons. Also, Ward still played in 12 games. It’s nonsense to be that anal about 5 games.
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missing nearly 1/3 of a season is anal? Do you call in sick 1/3 of the time and then tell your boss he is anal to wonder if you can be dependable?
 
Im ok with Ward for the intangibles, but like all the rest its a bandaid signing.

nobody is even talking about losing Ogbo Oko. An actual ascending player who balled out last half of the year and was our best dlineman. Nick needed to sign him, but let him walk and replaced him with guys that are less than Jags.

So far, this FA period is a wash at very best, if not an overall loss. Nick is making me want to piss in his cheerios right about now. Cal needs to put the fear of God into this crappy GM and get him to sign someone longterm that is a difference maker. He is presiding over arguably the worst roster in The NFL and you are giving us dollar store players on short term deals. Someone make this make sense!
 
Texansballer74 said:
They have some attacking pieces brother. They have there young quarterback already in place.
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I'm confused...Their young quarterback already in place. But Davis Mills is a POS, and with better stats in the 1st two year comparison.

Mills
83.8 QB Rating
28 Games
5782 Yds
33 TDs
25 Ints

Fields
80.8 QBRating
25 Games
4042 Yds
24 TDs
20 Ints

They have their young QB in place
Consensus is Mills is a POS
Go figure.
 
wildroot said:
I'm confused...Their young quarterback already in place. But Davis Mills is a POS, and with better stats in the 1st two year comparison.

Mills Fields
83.8 QB Rating 80.8 QB Rating
28 Games 25 games
5782 Yds 4042 Yds
33 TDs 24 TDs
25 Ints 20 Ints

They have their young QB in place
Mills is a POS
Go figure.
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Mills regressed while Field showed some growth.
 
In what way? Did he win a game in the 2nd half of the season?
11 TDs in the 1st half, 7 in the 2nd half.
1043 passing yds in 1st half, 1078 in 2nd half.
5 ints in the 1st half, 6 in the 13nd half.
Won 3 games in the 1st half, 0 in the 2nd half.
I don't see where he improved...I mean you can't just say he improved.
Wins/losses
TDs
Ints
Yds per game...
all better in the 1st half of season, down in the 2nd half, Fields regressed...but combined numbers not as good as Mills'.
 
Porky said:
so the Bears and Falcons are now good attractive teams but the Texans arent? This is the kind of mind numbing propaganda we are being fed and you are falling for it. Could it be that this team is run by a dysfunctional GM and hired by adysfunctional owner?
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Not necessarily propaganda man. Whether you agree or not, ATL and CHI are very attractive places to live & play……. over Houston…then there’s the division…Texans are currently bottoms in a decent division that should be getting tougher..The NFC South and North will likely be wide open especially with Rodgers potentially leaving GB…and whatever you think of Ridder and Fields, both those teams have their young qb in place…..THEN there’s the money.

like it or not, all that matters.
 
wildroot said:
In what way? Did he win a game in the 2nd half of the season?
11 TDs in the 1st half, 7 in the 2nd half.
1043 passing yds in 1st half, 1078 in 2nd half.
5 ints in the 1st half, 6 in the 13nd half.
Won 3 games in the 1st half, 0 in the 2nd half.
I don't see where he improved...I mean you can't just say he improved.
Wins/losses
TDs
Ints
Yds per game...
all better in the 1st half of season, down in the 2nd half, Fields regressed...but combined numbers not as good as Mills'.
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Watch the games.
 
wildroot said:
In what way? Did he win a game in the 2nd half of the season?
11 TDs in the 1st half, 7 in the 2nd half.
1043 passing yds in 1st half, 1078 in 2nd half.
5 ints in the 1st half, 6 in the 13nd half.
Won 3 games in the 1st half, 0 in the 2nd half.
I don't see where he improved...I mean you can't just say he improved.
Wins/losses
TDs
Ints
Yds per game...
all better in the 1st half of season, down in the 2nd half, Fields regressed...but combined numbers not as good as Mills'.
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Lol i see how u just ignored that 1200 yds & 9 TD’s rushing tho. & thats with him missing a few games. Fields was explosive as hell in the 2nd half of the season. He was Literally the only offensive weapon the Bears had offensively the 1st half until they traded for Claypool…& then he promptly went off.
 
Mr teX said:
Not necessarily propaganda man. Whether you agree or not, ATL and CHI are very attractive places to live & play……. over Houston…then there’s the division…Texans are currently bottoms in a decent division that should be getting tougher..The NFC South and North will likely be wide open especially with Rodgers potentially leaving GB…and whatever you think of Ridder and Fields, both those teams have their young qb in place…..THEN there’s the money.

like it or not, all that matters.
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AFC South at the bottom means that some players can shine (and eat their cake).

Which team is dominant in this division?

You get here, you have a chance to shine.
And therefore, making more money.
And there's no state tax.
 
wildroot said:
In what way? Did he win a game in the 2nd half of the season?
11 TDs in the 1st half, 7 in the 2nd half.
1043 passing yds in 1st half, 1078 in 2nd half.
5 ints in the 1st half, 6 in the 13nd half.
Won 3 games in the 1st half, 0 in the 2nd half.
I don't see where he improved...I mean you can't just say he improved.
Wins/losses
TDs
Ints
Yds per game...
all better in the 1st half of season, down in the 2nd half, Fields regressed...but combined numbers not as good as Mills'.
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I’d feel like you can criticise Fields all you want, but don’t see the point in defending Mills, the guy has been awful over 2 years, repeatedly been THE reason for the Texans being unable to drive the field, starting from a low base, has had a rabbit-in-headlights look about him so often when the slightest hint of pressure was applied like some of these meaningless games being on the line, and some of the most inaccurate downfield throws I’ve ever seen a professional QB make.

Happy with keeping him around on the roster while his contract is cheap, and who knows of push comes to shove and he has to play again at some point down the line, maybe he’ll have improved a lot and become a player worth having, but it’s highly unlikely.

Case Keenum has better long term prospects to be starter than Mills, so let’s not make a big thing that we are knocking down another loser like Fields to make Mills seem a worthwhile project.

And btw, a swing and a miss on a 3rd round QB is nothing to be ashamed of, just a shame it’s wasted 2 years.
 
wildroot said:
In what way? Did he win a game in the 2nd half of the season?
11 TDs in the 1st half, 7 in the 2nd half.
1043 passing yds in 1st half, 1078 in 2nd half.
5 ints in the 1st half, 6 in the 13nd half.
Won 3 games in the 1st half, 0 in the 2nd half.
I don't see where he improved...I mean you can't just say he improved.
Wins/losses
TDs
Ints
Yds per game...
all better in the 1st half of season, down in the 2nd half, Fields regressed...but combined numbers not as good as Mills'.
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You forgot that he was becoming more like Lamar Jackson in the second half.

I don't know if it will mean as much in the overall scheme.

But you never know how the NFL will change its rules to accommodate "entertainment".
 
76Texan said:
AFC South at the bottom means that some players can shine (and eat their cake).

Which team is dominant in this division?

You get here, you have a chance to shine.
And therefore, making more money.
And there's no state tax.
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Lol, if only it was as simple as you make it out.
Every year dudes like you try to point out the “no state income tax” as an advantage for FA to come play in Houston…& im not sure how it is in other sports, but i know at least in the NFL, These dudes have to pay taxes in every state they play in…so its not this great advantage y’all try to make it out to be.

As far as the other stuff,
no team is super dominant…but the division projects to be super tough in the coming years. both the Titans and Colts are legitimately decent qb play away from being really good teams…The jags appear to be on the upswing with Pederson and Lawrence. Indy will most definitely be in position to draft their guy of the future this upcoming draft..they also get a new HC.
 
Marcus said:
I’m sure that had absolutely nothing to do with Green being a rookie, Britt quitting, Cooks no longer giving a sh!t, etc.

Mills sucked because the team sucked.
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Mills sucked because he flat out sucked. Dude was having some major accuracy issues for more than Hal the season. His accuracy issues was on him sailing passes and then throwing it his receivers feet. That dude got benched because of it.
Y’all really needs to stop using the no talent to validate why Mills suck,
 
wildroot said:
Mills
83.8 QB Rating

Fields
80.8 QBRating
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OK. This is just a pet peeve of mine but... a QB Rating greater than 75 is getting into franchise level QBR. Except that what you've got down as QBR is almost definitely passer rating. QBR is based on subjective projections while passer rating is a old metric that's at least based on actual stats. And being in the 80's in passer rating these days is not good.
 
BullRushTX said:
Not gonna lie, this is underwhelming so far

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Quick review:

Woods - Veteran WR, more an indication of how thin the Wr corp has been. Expecting him to be okay at the end of the day.

Jimmy Ward- Direct system familiar with Ryans's defense

Beck- one player for FB and 3rd TE instead of two

Ridgeway- rotational run stuffer also system familiar

Winovich- rotational 4th DE, not sure what he really adds

Keenum- Veteran upgrade as a backup QB

Mike boone- scarily an upgrade at reserve running back, and probably should be 3rd on a depth chart

Overall, roster upgrades that do not move the excitement needle even if make the team better. probably don't mean a ton in direct wins and losses either.
 
wildroot said:
I'm confused...Their young quarterback already in place. But Davis Mills is a POS, and with better stats in the 1st two year comparison.

Mills
83.8 QB Rating
28 Games
5782 Yds
33 TDs
25 Ints

Fields
80.8 QBRating
25 Games
4042 Yds
24 TDs
20 Ints

They have their young QB in place
Consensus is Mills is a POS
Go figure.
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wow. Do you actually watch both guys?
 
Porky said:
missing nearly 1/3 of a season is anal? Do you call in sick 1/3 of the time and then tell your boss he is anal to wonder if you can be dependable?
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I wonder what % of the players in the NFL last year missed less than five games? Many got hurt and missed the season for a start.
 
Texansballer74 said:
It is so much easier to attract better talent when you’re winning or you have young up in coming team. Right now the Texans doesn’t have either one.
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Yea
Porky said:
Im ok with Ward for the intangibles, but like all the rest its a bandaid signing.

nobody is even talking about losing Ogbo Oko. An actual ascending player who balled out last half of the year and was our best dlineman. Nick needed to sign him, but let him walk and replaced him with guys that are less than Jags.

So far, this FA period is a wash at very best, if not an overall loss. Nick is making me want to piss in his cheerios right about now. Cal needs to put the fear of God into this crappy GM and get him to sign someone longterm that is a difference maker. He is presiding over arguably the worst roster in The NFL and you are giving us dollar store players on short term deals. Someone make this make sense!
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You know what Porky you really should consider taking up Pickleball or Bowling because I don't think you've got what it takes to be Texans fan, since you are already freakin out just a day into free agency.
Since you rattle so easily try something that's easier on your peace of mind and psyche, otherwise you'll be a total mess when the season starts for real and they begin playing football games.
 
Dejaview said:
I wonder what % of the players in the NFL last year missed less than five games? Many got hurt and missed the season for a start.
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I wonder if there is a stat that shows let’s say all starters in game 1, and then tracks how many miss time, how much, and then average it out so you say for example an nfl starter on average missed 1.6 games. That would actually be an interesting stat. It would give us a baseline for availability expectations. I’m a stats nerd so I’m probably the lone wolf on this lol.
 
Porky said:
I wonder if there is a stat that shows let’s say all starters in game 1, and then tracks how many miss time, how much, and then average it out so you say for example an nfl starter on average missed 1.6 games. That would actually be an interesting stat. It would give us a baseline for availability expectations. I’m a stats nerd so I’m probably the lone wolf on this lol.
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That’s a good idea and I like it. I think it would help everyone with expectations.
 
IDEXAN said:
Yea
You know what Porky you really should consider taking up Pickleball or Bowling because I don't think you've got what it takes to be Texans fan, since you are already freakin out just a day into free agency.
Since you rattle so easily try something that's easier on your peace of mind and psyche, otherwise you'll be a total mess when the season starts for real and they begin playing football games.
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lol. I used to be in a bowling league years ago. It got too pricey for me,plus my wife was always sick and we just got out of it but still love it when I do play. I still have my own ball, just need new shoes.

it’s funny you mention pickleball. I was just talking to my GF about it. I looked it up online and they don’t have it in the Woodlands. There is a place down in Spring. I would definitely give it a try. I’m nearing 60, but in pretty good physical condition. If any of you guys want to meet up for bowling or pickleball, I’d try it. Pickleball not so much in the summer though. Too damn hot!
 
wildroot said:
I'm confused...Their young quarterback already in place. But Davis Mills is a POS, and with better stats in the 1st two year comparison.

Mills
83.8 QB Rating
28 Games
5782 Yds
33 TDs
25 Ints

Fields
80.8 QBRating
25 Games
4042 Yds
24 TDs
20 Ints

They have their young QB in place
Consensus is Mills is a POS
Go figure.
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If Mills was a first round pick, as was Fields, with 2 different bad OC's and HC's with little help in a chaotic organization he would probably be given another year. He waited to the last game of the season to show some moxy and play making ability.
Still, I've seen enough of Mills and I'm looking forward to seeing a first round rookie QB with play making ability.
 
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AcresHomesTexan said:
Quick review:

Woods - Veteran WR, more an indication of how thin the Wr corp has been. Expecting him to be okay at the end of the day.

Jimmy Ward- Direct system familiar with Ryans's defense

Beck- one player for FB and 3rd TE instead of two

Ridgeway- rotational run stuffer also system familiar

Winovich- rotational 4th DE, not sure what he really adds

Keenum- Veteran upgrade as a backup QB

Mike boone- scarily an upgrade at reserve running back, and probably should be 3rd on a depth chart

Overall, roster upgrades that do not move the excitement needle even if make the team better. probably don't mean a ton in direct wins and losses either.
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This is the 2023 version of Nick Caserio's rearrangement of the chairs on the Titanic. One addition, trading for former Pats player, Shaq Mason who was going to be cut anyways.
 
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