Davis Mills getting no respect

[steelbtexan]

Not when he’s throwing at their feet or sailing passes. Man stop the madness

He wouldn't be because those guys get separation.

The Texans skill guys cant.

Look how much better Tua looked this yr with Hill. People were saying the same things about Tua that they're saying about Mills. Hill joins the Dolphins and Tua becomes a MVP candidate. Not because of Mills, because I want competition brought in to compete with Mills (Not through the draft) but I hope Ryans wants Hyatt because he's got game changing speed and wiggle.

Something the Texans org hasn't had in yrs.

 

[michaelm]

I remember before Lovie was hired stating that Tim Kelly should be retained for the sake of Mills development.
Then, when Pep was named OC, I came and admitted that I had been wrong about retaining Kelly.
Welp, I'm back again to say that I was wrong about Pep and retract my declaration of error in wanting Kelly retained.

As it turned out, my original thought was correct. Kelly should have been retained for Mills development. Although admittedly the team would still likely be exactly where it is now but without Mills having to go through three OC in three seasons

 

[steelbtexan]

We’ve all seen him make a few plays. But when it was money time, he choked. That was not on his teammates.

Brother that’s all well and good. I can’t help you there. Quite of few experts thinks a player like Stroud could possibly help turn this ship around. Even Carr could come in here and possibly help this team out. At least with him you’re getting a quality veteran to lead you ship.

Do you want this ship to keep sinking? If not you will have to do one or the other. We can’t stand Pat knowing this league is centered around the quarterback.

Personally I want them to do what’s best for this team. Whatever’s best to not only help Coach Ryans to succeed but the entire team/organization.

Right now I believe they have put together a dynamic coaching staff. Now it’s time to go get players. And IMO, it starts with the most important position on the field. And TK that’s the quarterback’s position. The four best teams in the playoffs had outstanding quarterbacks.

Then draft the next Purdy

Adian O'Connell, instead of guys that will be lucky to be top 10 QB's for different reasons in 5 yrs.

 

[Texansballer74]

He wouldn't be because those guys get separation.

The Texans skill guys cant.

Look how much better Tua looked this yr with Hill. People were saying the same things about Tua that they're saying about Mills. Hill joins the Dolphins and Tua becomes a MVP candidate. Not because of Mills, because I want competition brought in to compete with Mills (Not through the draft) but I hope Ryans wants Hyatt because he's got game changing speed and wiggle.

Something the Texans org hasn't had in yrs.

Never mind dude. Lmao and Smh at the same freaking time.

 

[steelbtexan]

Never mind dude. Lmao and Smh at the same freaking time.

What was your opinion of Tua before Hill/Waddle were brought in? Be honest.

Yes I LOL at you, any old QB will do for you.

Your the guy who is at the club at 2 am and picks up the fat girl. Why? Because all of the girls look prettier at closing time.

 

[Texansballer74]

What was your opinion of Tua before Hill/Waddle were brought in? Be honest.

Yes I LOL at you, any old QB will do for you.

Your the guy who is at the club at 2 am and picks up the fat girl. Why? Because all of the girls look prettier at closing time.

Hey big dog you got it. Mills is a top level quarterback. It’s everyone else’s fault but his.

 

[thunderkyss]

Quite of few experts thinks a player like Stroud could possibly help turn this ship around.

Expert clickbaiters. The true experts haven’t spoken & won’t until the draft.

Even Carr could come in here and possibly help this team out. At least with him you’re getting a quality veteran to lead you ship.

Only aversion to Carr I stated was money. I don’t want to pay him. But I’d rather they bring a guy like Carr, even Garoppolo before they pay Tunsil again.

that would be smart money

And IMO, it starts with the most important position on the field. And TK that’s the quarterback’s position.

Agree with the premise. QB is the most important position.

Rick built a really good team & finally adde the QB we needed. I wish Bob would have included his GM to find the right HC for the team he built.

that’s what we need to do again. DeMeco can build a solid foundation for a QB.

I think he can get this team to the AFCCG before his second contract if he starts with the team. Then add a QB.

not likely to ever get there if we start with the QB.

The four best teams in the playoffs had outstanding quarterbacks.

Really? Brock Purdy is an outstanding QB?

Joe Burrow was the most sacked QB in 2021. How do you think Bryce Young would handle that?

In one game in his whole career CJ Stroud showed us he can do what Joe Burrows does. Is that enough to take him 1.2?

truly, whatever the Texans want to do, I’m down. But between us girls I’ll keep arguing my pov until the Texans do what they are going to do.

 

[steelbtexan]

Hey big dog you got it. Mills is a top level quarterback. It’s everyone else’s fault but his.

I'm not saying this at all.

What I'm saying is what Lee Big said last yr.

Bring in a guy like Minshew to compete with Mills and draft a QB in 2024. Who cares if they lose a bunch of games next yr, they aren't making the playoffs next yr anyways. Best to position yourself for a true franchise QB in 2024.

I can guarantee you Cal/Caserio aren't looking at things like this and will be picking a QB at 1-2. Why? Gotta put butts in the seats..

 

[thunderkyss]

I can guarantee you Cal/Caserio aren't looking at things like this and will be picking a QB at 1-2. Why? Gotta put butts in the seats..

I hope DeMeco & Caserio can talk some sense into him.

 

[Texansballer74]

Expert clickbaiters. The true experts haven’t spoken & won’t until the draft.

Only aversion to Carr I stated was money. I don’t want to pay him. But I’d rather they bring a guy like Carr, even Garoppolo before they pay Tunsil again.

that would be smart money

Agree with the premise. QB is the most important position.

Rick built a really good team & finally adde the QB we needed. I wish Bob would have included his GM to find the right HC for the team he built.

that’s what we need to do again. DeMeco can build a solid foundation for a QB.

I think he can get this team to the AFCCG before his second contract if he starts with the team. Then add a QB.

not likely to ever get there if we start with the QB.

Really? Brock Purdy is an outstanding QB?

Joe Burrow was the most sacked QB in 2021. How do you think Bryce Young would handle that?

In one game in his whole career CJ Stroud showed us he can do what Joe Burrows does. Is that enough to take him 1.2?

truly, whatever the Texans want to do, I’m down. But between us girls I’ll keep arguing my pov until the Texans do what they are going to do.

Yes Purdy who plays in a quarterback friendly offensive system. That’s a testament of Shanny offensive mindset.

That is a false, Stroud has had a lot of successful games in his two year collegiate career.

Man you don’t know how Young would handle being sacked that many times. Why even ask that question? Really no one knows right? And how do you know he would be sacked that many times?

And I’m going to continue to argue my point as well.

Sometimes it’s best to let things play out.

 

[Texansphan]

Since passing is his weakness, then why is on this team, or in the NFL for all that matters. One dimensional is not a recipe for success in the NFL. You’ll need the threat of the psss to keep defenses honest. Or they will stack the box, like that did last season to stop the run.

Who said one dimensional? Ah, that's right, you.
A powerful running game forces teams to crowd the line to prevent first downs. When they do, that opens up the passing game - the very definition of multi-dimensional in football terms and exactly what every team strives for.

 

[Number19]

Who said one dimensional? Ah, that's right, you.
A powerful running game forces teams to crowd the line to prevent first downs. When they do, that opens up the passing game - the very definition of multi-dimensional in football terms and exactly what every team strives for.

Except the WCO. It uses the short passing game to open up running lanes.

 

[Texansphan]

Except the WCO. It uses the short passing game to open up running lanes.

Yep, the running game.

 

[steelbtexan]

Except the WCO. It uses the short passing game to open up running lanes.

And is QB friendly.

I'll tell you what will open up the offense and let Pierce roam.

These kinds of guys

Hyatt/Dell/Scott

Achane/Tucker/Robinson

Musgrave/Kincaid/Washington

 

[Texansballer74]

Who said one dimensional? Ah, that's right, you.
A powerful running game forces teams to crowd the line to prevent first downs. When they do, that opens up the passing game - the very definition of multi-dimensional in football terms and exactly what every team strives for.

Because that’s being one dimensional. A powerful running game isn’t winning skit in today’s NFL. Tennessee has had the best back for at least 4 years straight and wtf has they won? The Cowboys had the best run blocking line for years when Zeke was healthy and those jokers haven’t won crap. Their line now with with Pollard and Zeke isn’t enough. Dak folds and the entire team folds like a cheap lawn chair every darn year.

You need balance is what I said, not that one dimensional stuff you’re ALLUDING too.

 

[steelbtexan]

Because that’s being one dimensional. A powerful running game isn’t winning skit in today’s NFL. Tennessee has had the best back for at least 4 years straight and wtf has they won? The Cowboys had the best run blocking line for years when Zeke was healthy and those jokers haven’t won crap. Their line now with their running game with Pollard and Zeke isn’t enough. Dak folds and the entire folds like a cheap lawn chair every darn year.

You need balance is what I said, not that one dimensional stuff you’re ALLUDING too.

Speed opens up the run game.

 

[banned1976]

Personally I want them to do what’s best for this team. Whatever’s best to not only help Coach Ryans to succeed but the entire team/organization.

Me too. That's why I want them to build from the line of scrimmage first. They didn't do that last year or made a half-assed effort at best.

Mills was drafted in the third round two years ago to be a placeholder until the rebuild had some momentum. The Texans won the same amount of games in 2022 as they did in 2021. That tells me we ain't there yet. And you can blame Mills for some of it (I certainly do) but the defense sucks and so does the interior of the o-line.

You may want to see a smallish quarterback come in here and feel like he has to do everything in his rookie year but I don't. Young doesn't have the elite escapability as Watson and I know you were pounding the tables for Watson to play right out the gate. Young won't hold up as well and even Watson got beat up his rookie year against the Giants. Which was the beginning of the end of his rookie campaign.

 

[thunderkyss]

Yes Purdy who plays in a quarterback friendly offensive system. That’s a testament of Shanny offensive mindset.

So the 4 top teams did not have “outstanding” QBs. That’s the point.

I’m not going to try to compare Young/Stroud to Hurts/Mahomes because like the 49ers, those teams are as complete an NFL team as you’ll find.

That is a false, Stroud has had a lot of successful games in his two year collegiate career.

Successful games & playing like Burrows aren’t the same thing. From what the “experts” are saying, Stroud didn’t play well under pressure except that last game against the Bulldogs

Man you don’t know how Young would handle being sacked that many times. Why even ask that question?

why would I ask? You brought up the four best teams in the NFL. Young will be sacked a lot here in Houston. Water’s wet, sky’s blue.

 

[Texansphan]

Because that’s being one dimensional. A powerful running game isn’t winning skit in today’s NFL. Tennessee has had the best back for at least 4 years straight and wtf has they won? The Cowboys had the best run blocking line for years when Zeke was healthy and those jokers haven’t won crap. Their line now with their running game with Pollard and Zeke isn’t enough. Dak folds and the entire folds like a cheap lawn chair every darn year.

You need balance is what I said, not that one dimensional stuff you’re ALLUDING too.

Please show me where I said we don't need a passing game.

"Who said one dimensional? Ah, that's right, you.
A powerful running game forces teams to crowd the line to prevent first downs. When they do, that opens up the passing game - the very definition of multi-dimensional in football terms and exactly what every team strives for."

Repeated for clarity - and quit the strawman arguments.

 

[thunderkyss]

Except the WCO. It uses the short passing game to open up running lanes.

Like hell it does.

Many versions of the WCO. The Shanahan/Kubiak/Shanahan ZBS model we’re looking at starts with the run. Being able to run effectively. More than that it’s about making passing plays look like running plays until it’s too late for defenses to recover.

 

[thunderkyss]

Me too. That's why I want them to build from the line of scrimmage first. They didn't do that last year or made a half-assed effort at best.

Defensively I agree with you

offensively not so much. Cann can play & he played well. The Tackles played well.

Green wasn’t cheap, was considered one of the best IOL in the draft.

that’s 4 out of 5 spots. Any coaching staff should be able to make that work. 1st year in their new system I think they did well. 12 teams gave up more sacks than Houston.

That’s improvement.

 

[OptimisticTexan]

How important is a respected running game?

I’d say, look at Dan Marino’s Dolphins career. One of the best OL’s annually, gave up the least amount of sacks more often than not, and possessed small but terrifying WR’s. The Dolphins had a full blown high octane passing game that was ahead of it’s time.

The only thing that prevented the Dolphins and Marino from hoisting the Lombardi Trophy…..they had zilch in regards to a running game. Defenses had no one to fear.

I’m thinking there is more to having a solid running game than meets the eye….regardless of the era.

Texans OL didn’t pass the eye test. The independent stats may say otherwise, but the eye test saw this OL getting shoved around and pushed back into the pocket on far too many occasions. I’d like to see road graders on the interior with pass protectors on the outside. I’m not 100% sold on Howard as a RT, but his RG counterparts, in past seasons, have been poor to below average. The dominoes continue to tumble from outside to the center. The Texans center position on the line has been poor for quite some time, so it doesn’t help the guards if the center can’t get his job done.

Texans need to start with a center who can absolutely control that space. Whether they do this with a veteran or by drafting the best center…..it’s a must in laying down the foundation for this new OL.

They need an OG that can play with an attitude and a controlled mean streak so the running game can keep the passing game clean.

Texans will need a couple of new RB’s to compliment Pierce and take the load off him while upping the load on defenses to stop the running game.

Get this right, and the passing game comes alive b/c teams will think twice about stacking the box or running blitz crazy attacks. Defenses were stacking the box and blitzing at will on the Texans last season……to the point that they faced far too many 1st, 2nd, 3rd, and long situations. It didn’t help that ultra conservative coaches were roaming the sideline.

 

[Texansballer74]

Me too. That's why I want them to build from the line of scrimmage first. They didn't do that last year or made a half-assed effort at best.

Mills was drafted in the third round two years ago to be a placeholder until the rebuild had some momentum. The Texans won the same amount of games in 2022 as they did in 2021. That tells me we ain't there yet. And you can blame Mills for some of it (I certainly do) but the defense sucks and so does the interior of the o-line.

You may want to see a smallish quarterback come in here and feel like he has to do everything in his rookie year but I don't. Young doesn't have the elite escapability as Watson and I know you were pounding the tables for Watson to play right out the gate. Young won't hold up as well and even Watson got beat up his rookie year against the Giants. Which was the beginning of the end of his rookie campaign.

I’ve been saying Stroud would be my pick.

 

[Texansphan]

How important is a respected running game?

I’d say, look at Dan Marino’s Dolphins career. One of the best OL’s annually, gave up the least amount of sacks more often than not, and possessed small but terrifying WR’s. The Dolphins had a full blown high octane passing game that was ahead of it’s time.

The only thing that prevented the Dolphins and Marino from hoisting the Lombardi Trophy…..they had zilch in regards to a running game. Defenses had no one to fear.

I’m thinking there is more to having a solid running game than meets the eye….regardless of the era.

Texans OL didn’t pass the eye test. The independent stats may say otherwise, but the eye test saw this OL getting shoved around and pushed back into the pocket on far too many occasions. I’d like to see road graders on the interior with pass protectors on the outside. I’m not 100% sold on Howard as a RT, but his RG counterparts, in past seasons, have been poor to below average. The dominoes continue to tumble from outside to the center. The Texans center position on the line has been poor for quite some time, so it doesn’t help the guards if the center can’t get his job done.

Texans need to start with a center who can absolutely control that space. Whether they do this with a veteran or by drafting the best center…..it’s a must in laying down the foundation for this new OL.

They need an OG that can play with an attitude and a controlled mean streak so the running game can keep the passing game clean.

Texans will need a couple of new RB’s to compliment Pierce and take the load off him while upping the load on defenses to stop the running game.

Get this right, and the passing game comes alive b/c teams will think twice about stacking the box or running blitz crazy attacks. Defenses were stacking the box and blitzing at will on the Texans last season……to the point that they faced far too many 1st, 2nd, 3rd, and long situations. It didn’t help that ultra conservative coaches were roaming the sideline.

Nice assessment - that's how I saw it too.
A rookie Center may take time to settle in so a decent vet may be in order for immediate success and yes, Pierce with another bull back there would absolutely help not only Pierce and the passing game, but the QB and the Oline as well.

 

[Texansphan]

Defensively I agree with you

offensively not so much. Cann can play & he played well. The Tackles played well.

Green wasn’t cheap, was considered one of the best IOL in the draft.

that’s 4 out of 5 spots. Any coaching staff should be able to make that work. 1st year in their new system I think they did well. 12 teams gave up more sacks than Houston.

That’s improvement.

A top center who can come in and be captain of that Oline would make a huge difference. Time to gel will tell the story.

 

[TheRealJoker]

Defensively I agree with you

offensively not so much. Cann can play & he played well. The Tackles played well.

Green wasn’t cheap, was considered one of the best IOL in the draft.

that’s 4 out of 5 spots. Any coaching staff should be able to make that work. 1st year in their new system I think they did well. 12 teams gave up more sacks than Houston.

That’s improvement.

OL would have looked a lot different if they signed Ethan Pocic instead of Scott Quessenberry as Britt’s insurance. Crazy they got the same vet minimum contract.

Texans likely would have won a few more games however with steady play at center.

 

[vtech9]

Before Cooks mailed it in the dude couldn’t hit the side of the barn standing right next to it.

And the time table shows Cooks quit way after the biweek. More than Half the season was played already.

Dude, stop with this stuff. Cooks was dropping passes in the first game of the season.

 

[DocBar]

How important is a respected running game?

I’d say, look at Dan Marino’s Dolphins career. One of the best OL’s annually, gave up the least amount of sacks more often than not, and possessed small but terrifying WR’s. The Dolphins had a full blown high octane passing game that was ahead of it’s time.

The only thing that prevented the Dolphins and Marino from hoisting the Lombardi Trophy…..they had zilch in regards to a running game. Defenses had no one to fear.

I’m thinking there is more to having a solid running game than meets the eye….regardless of the era.

Texans OL didn’t pass the eye test. The independent stats may say otherwise, but the eye test saw this OL getting shoved around and pushed back into the pocket on far too many occasions. I’d like to see road graders on the interior with pass protectors on the outside. I’m not 100% sold on Howard as a RT, but his RG counterparts, in past seasons, have been poor to below average. The dominoes continue to tumble from outside to the center. The Texans center position on the line has been poor for quite some time, so it doesn’t help the guards if the center can’t get his job done.

Texans need to start with a center who can absolutely control that space. Whether they do this with a veteran or by drafting the best center…..it’s a must in laying down the foundation for this new OL.

They need an OG that can play with an attitude and a controlled mean streak so the running game can keep the passing game clean.

Texans will need a couple of new RB’s to compliment Pierce and take the load off him while upping the load on defenses to stop the running game.

Get this right, and the passing game comes alive b/c teams will think twice about stacking the box or running blitz crazy attacks. Defenses were stacking the box and blitzing at will on the Texans last season……to the point that they faced far too many 1st, 2nd, 3rd, and long situations. It didn’t help that ultra conservative coaches were roaming the sideline.

This is literally the description of the Shannahan offense. Every set looks the same. Can't tell run or pass by formation until after the snap. It has its strengths and weaknesses. I agree as far as needing a new center. I don't care if they add one in FA or the draft, or both. Green will be fine in a ZBS, so add RG late in the draft and sign one in FA. OL and front 7 need to be the focus of this draft. I'd draft more heavily on the D side of the ball. LB, DL, ED. Pick your spots with C & G, BPA if a front 7 player is graded lower on your board. Not a lot of reaches, let the draft come to you. BPA at positions of need. QB wouldn't be my #1 area of need.

 

[steelbtexan]

This is literally the description of the Shannahan offense. Every set looks the same. Can't tell run or pass by formation until after the snap. It has its strengths and weaknesses. I agree as far as needing a new center. I don't care if they add one in FA or the draft, or both. Green will be fine in a ZBS, so add RG late in the draft and sign one in FA. OL and front 7 need to be the focus of this draft. I'd draft more heavily on the D side of the ball. LB, DL, ED. Pick your spots with C & G, BPA if a front 7 player is graded lower on your board. Not a lot of reaches, let the draft come to you. BPA at positions of need. QB wouldn't be my #1 area of need.

Totally agree with you about letting the draft come to you.

I really hope Ryan's comes out of this draft with 4 long time starters, a 5th would be awesome. If there was somebody like Henley sitting there late in the 3rd, I would use 4-103 and a 5th to trade up and get him.

 

[76Texan]

I didn’t realize Aristotle was a communist.

I'm not sure what you're trying to say here.

I know what I meant just as those who believe that communism was wrong when it tried to use the ends to justify the means.

And history consistently shows that it doesn't work that way.

Communism wanted to do away with people owning properties for one.
It promoted common properties owned by the states on which the labors work and share the crop.

The problem is it doesn't account for people who work harder.
How many people want to work hard when they know they're going to get the same share as the slackers.

But the bigger problem with communism was that its land reform attempts killed a lot of people, many of them were innocent; most didn't deserve to die.

But communism said that the ends justify the means so they tried to argue that in order to achieve the final goal (the ends), some land owners had to be sacrificed (killed) since they own too much land that should have gone to the people.

I don't know how much you know about the Vietnam War, but this is a starter:

Land reform in Vietnam - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

The number of casualties are highly disputable.

It would take a lot of explanation on my part to tell you about how bad it really was.

I will just tell you this.
A few years ago, Hanoi tried to have an exhibition on land reform.
It received so many negative comments from the people that the exhibit was shut down very shortly.

It was a big reason why there was a mass migration movement mostly in 1954 to the south; my parents were among those migrants.

My parents were willing to let the four of we siblings to go on our own to land unknown; my older sister was not quite 18 at the time.

....

I really have no idea why you would bring Aristotle into this.

 

[76Texan]

Do you think Mills could have been more successful with an extra 20-30 yards per game on the ground last season? A few more first downs per game can make a huge difference - especially in key moments.

Sure, any QB would helped.

But look here.

Justin Herbert's rookie season.
(I had already shown that his Oline was bad).

The top two RBs combined for 227 carries for 884 yards and 3 TDs.

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Pierce, by himself, had 220 carries for 939 yards, and 4 TDs.

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Herbert, in his rookie season had shown the ability to raise the offense above expectations.

(I had already shown that he did not have as many weapons available as Phillip River the prior year).

And I'm comparing the rookie Herbert with a second-year man in Mills here.

 

[76Texan]

Truth. Herbert can play. But not having all his weapons on field together and for him to still do that well….. sounds like some good coaching to me. Somewhere. Someone is coaching him up

Yeah well, Pep Hamilton was Herbery's QB coach, so some of us had hoped that he can help Mills (including myself).

From the beginning, I had said that Mills was not a bad pick in the third (but only on some team that already had an established QB and consistently competitive already).

People keeps telling me that Mills could have done better with a better supporting cast.

Practically all those peeps also said that they want to build from the trench and with better weapons.

They're contradicting themselves.

 

[76Texan]

I THOUGHT HE WAS GOING TO JAIL. Which he should have.

I also was wrong when I thought the NFL cared about what's right and wrong, in addition to their image.

No I didn't underestimate Derrick's skills on the field. The Haslem's did. You will see in good time.

You're making things up.

When Watson first wanted out; there was none of these bad things.

You didn't think he was worth anything back then.

 

[76Texan]

SMDH

It rhymes perfectly, you are either too hard headed or have reading comprehension problems to understand.

But you want Mills to lead this team to the SB?

 

[76Texan]

Ends to a means in this case has nothing to do with communism. Nice try at deflecting though.

I was just telling TK that the term was so bad to me (and those who left the country because of communism), just a mentioning of it brings back bad thoughts.

I don't think you can comprehend it until you live in such a time.

Personally, if I may say so, I do feel simpathy for the people of Ukraine.

9-11 was bad.
But I grew up hearing bombings from the outskirt and cannon fires like consistently, and terrorist attempts and localized bombings all through childhood.

But never mind it.
Really.
This is not a forum for that.

 

[76Texan]

Is this a football forum or a Tony Robbins seminar?

We all have stories over stuff we've had to overcome in life.

I was an abused child.

You should read the story I wrote for my teacher.

Could you share it?

Do you know that on the original forum, there was a much bigger sense of a community.

Texans fans are diverse.

We had a fair number of female fans and youngsters (that we love to nurture for the love of the game).

We had a number of die-hard fans from opposing teams who really loved to frequent the Texans forum.

It was truly a fan forum where we all shared our love for the team and the game.

They gradually disappear from the forum after the merger.
I know it was unintentionally on Kevin's part.

But it is what it is.

Such a shame.

 

[JB]

I thought there was no more NSZ and politics and stuff like that

Certainly not in a football thread

 

[76Texan]

Could you share it?

Do you know that on the original forum, there was a much bigger sense of a community.

Texans fans are diverse.

We had a fair number of female fans and youngsters (that we love to nurture for the love of the game).

We had a number of die-hard fans from opposing teams who really loved to frequent the Texans forum.

It was truly a fan forum where we all shared our love for the team and the game.

They gradually disappear from the forum after the merger.
I know it was unintentionally on Kevin's part.

But it is what it is.

Such a shame.

To me, this has been the worst thing that could have happened to a forum.

We lost so many fans on the forum who could bring so many different voices.

We lost the sense of a community where we can all share the love for the game, the team.

It's now just a bunch of guys flexing their thing on their own term.

 

[DocBar]

How important is a respected running game?

I’d say, look at Dan Marino’s Dolphins career. One of the best OL’s annually, gave up the least amount of sacks more often than not, and possessed small but terrifying WR’s. The Dolphins had a full blown high octane passing game that was ahead of it’s time.

The only thing that prevented the Dolphins and Marino from hoisting the Lombardi Trophy…..they had zilch in regards to a running game. Defenses had no one to fear.

I’m thinking there is more to having a solid running game than meets the eye….regardless of the era.

Texans OL didn’t pass the eye test. The independent stats may say otherwise, but the eye test saw this OL getting shoved around and pushed back into the pocket on far too many occasions. I’d like to see road graders on the interior with pass protectors on the outside. I’m not 100% sold on Howard as a RT, but his RG counterparts, in past seasons, have been poor to below average. The dominoes continue to tumble from outside to the center. The Texans center position on the line has been poor for quite some time, so it doesn’t help the guards if the center can’t get his job done.

Texans need to start with a center who can absolutely control that space. Whether they do this with a veteran or by drafting the best center…..it’s a must in laying down the foundation for this new OL.

They need an OG that can play with an attitude and a controlled mean streak so the running game can keep the passing game clean.

Texans will need a couple of new RB’s to compliment Pierce and take the load off him while upping the load on defenses to stop the running game.

Get this right, and the passing game comes alive b/c teams will think twice about stacking the box or running blitz crazy attacks. Defenses were stacking the box and blitzing at will on the Texans last season……to the point that they faced far too many 1st, 2nd, 3rd, and long situations. It didn’t help that ultra conservative coaches were roaming the sideline.

You can also look at the Oilers in the run & shoot era. Couldn't hold leads because they couldn't run out the clock with the run game. They had an absolute refusal to use a full back.

 

[DocBar]

Like hell it does.

Many versions of the WCO. The Shanahan/Kubiak/Shanahan ZBS model we’re looking at starts with the run. Being able to run effectively. More than that it’s about making passing plays look like running plays until it’s too late for defenses to recover.

The WCO the Texans will be using can use either the run to open up the passing game or the passing game to open up the run. They script the first 15-20 plays to see how the defense is game planned and adjust accordingly.

 

[DocBar]

Yeah well, Pep Hamilton was Herbery's QB coach, so some of us had hoped that he can help Mills (including myself).

From the beginning, I had said that Mills was not a bad pick in the third (but only on some team that already had an established QB and consistently competitive already).

People keeps telling me that Mills could have done better with a better supporting cast.

Practically all those peeps also said that they want to build from the trench and with better weapons.

They're contradicting themselves.

I fail to see the contradiction here. If anything, they are being redundant.

 

[Texansballer74]

The WCO the Texans will be using can use either the run to open up the passing game or the passing game to open up the run. They script the first 15-20 plays to see how the defense is game planned and adjust accordingly.

So did they come out and say they’ll be running the WCO? Or are we assuming that’s what they will be running?

 

[Texansphan]

To me, this has been the worst thing that could have happened to a forum.

We lost so many fans on the forum who could bring so many different voices.

We lost the sense of a community where we can all share the love for the game, the team.

It's now just a bunch of guys flexing their thing on their own term.

There are some women in these fora too.
We don't see a lot of them as the discussion can get a little aggressive at at times.

 

[Number19]

So did they come out and say they’ll be running the WCO? Or are we assuming that’s what they will be running?

It's an assumption with a high degree of certainty. I mean, the team hires a HC and an OC from a team which runs the WCO. What else should be assumed?

 

[Texansballer74]

It's an assumption with a high degree of certainty. I mean, the team hires a HC and an OC from a team which runs the WCO. What else should be assumed?

Hey I was just asking.

So can we assume they’ll draft a quarterback with their first pick? And draft a legit receiver possibly built like Deebo or Metcalf with the 12 overall pick?

 

[Texansphan]

It's an assumption with a high degree of certainty. I mean, the team hires a HC and an OC from a team which runs the WCO. What else should be assumed?

If they draft a QB, it's a fairly safe bet as the WCO is QB friendly. The pieces of the puzzle seem to be coming together.

 

[vtech9]

But you want Mills to lead this team to the SB?

This is where you are misunderstanding. Nobody has said they want Mills to lead the Texans to a Super Bowl. They would be happy if it happened, but not what they said. They are saying they would rather have Mills play this next season, so the team will be bad enough to be able to get one of the QB's in the 2024 draft that are considered better than any QB available in this draft. They are saying they want one of the 2024 draft class QB's to take us to the Super Bowl, and just want Mills to hold us over until that draft.

 

[DocBar]

He wouldn't be because those guys get separation.

The Texans skill guys cant.

Look how much better Tua looked this yr with Hill. People were saying the same things about Tua that they're saying about Mills. Hill joins the Dolphins and Tua becomes a MVP candidate. Not because of Mills, because I want competition brought in to compete with Mills (Not through the draft) but I hope Ryans wants Hyatt because he's got game changing speed and wiggle.

Something the Texans org hasn't had in yrs.

So Tua's progress in 2022 is strictly due to getting another fast receiver? Coaching and scheme change had nothing to do with it? Amazing!

 

[steelbtexan]

So Tua's progress in 2022 is strictly due to getting another fast receiver? Coaching and scheme change had nothing to do with it? Amazing!

All of the sudden he has weapons to work with and becomes an MVP candidate before injury. I'm sure better coaching helped, but so did having the most feared WR in the NFL. Speed kills

I'm hoping the Texans follow this model. With Ryans/Slowik/drafting either Hyatt/Dell/Iosivas and Achane/Tucker.

Put these guys together with Slowik and I dont see why the Texans cant have a productive offense next yr. Maybe not on the level of a McDaniel offense due to being young, but still much more productive than what we've seen over the last few yrs.

 

[cuppacoffee]

Davis Mills will be the Texans starting QB for the next two years-minimum.

Probably longer.

Eat your heart out haters.

I'll try to attend the last tailgate next season with a smoker full of bbq crow for all the haters.

Hope they like Tex Joy rub and my doctored up Cattleman's BBQ sauce.

Couple of you are required to come back for seconds.