Davis Mills getting no respect

[steelbtexan]

Mills played QB in 13 games in 2021......exactly how much game film did they need to expose them? He had 8 games on film for DC's before he exposed defenses over last 5 games, not to mention the nice game he had against the Patriots before he hit those final 5 games. If teams were going to expose him, it would've happened before the final 5 games of the 2021 season.

Worst thing for a rookie QB with 22 starts under his belt between CFB and the NFL is to dump the staff (it had to be done regardless....it shouldn't have been Lovie) and bring in a new playbook and an ultra conservative approach. It didn't help that Collins went out with an injury and Cooks quit on the team. As for Cooks, he wasn't taking the tops off any defenses in 2022 like he had done in 2021. Mills had a lot of bad throws, but is somewhat expected by a 2nd year QB in a new system. Not an excuse but simply an observation.

Mills has an NFL arm and can fire lasers when needed. He did toss 15 picks, but he also tossed 17 TD's.....a good with the bad scenario. The biggest issue with Mills was the Texans organization and coaching staff. He had no business stepping onto an NFL in 2021. Texans should've had (2) veterans while Mills ran the scout team for at least a season......on the other hand, that might've gave him a tremendous amount of confidence. Ryans stated for the record, "We have to add more to that position. The quarterback is one piece to a team ". That statement in no way was aimed at Davis Mills but at the position in general. Everything posted by members has been speculation including my post(s). Mills and the drafted QB must have a veteran to lean on in 2023....my choice would be Jimmy Garoppolo b/c of his knowledge of the offense Ryans may be bringing to the Texans. Jimmy G would be a great mentor for both Mills and the new QB, and a sound starter until his annual injury happens. Hopefully that wouldn't happen inside the 8th game of the season b/c those starts would be excellent for Mills or the new QB.

The Texans have never gotten this right, but this opportunity is finally presenting itself at the right time, and with a new staff coming on board. Maybe this time they'll get it right.

Great post

 

[ben.aires.smith]

Donno if this means anything. But the media narrative is definitely starting to shift since Ryans was announced as the HC. For the time time, media floating the possibility of Mills being in position to start again in 2023, and some draftniks/scouts floating the possibility that the Texans do not take a QB at #2. Could 100% be misdirection, or not. Easier to see this being the case with Ryans being a defensive guy and coming from the SF, which built the roster and succeeded with interchangable QB play.

 

[Texan Asylum]

Mills played QB in 13 games in 2021......exactly how much game film did they need to expose him? He had 8 games on film for DC's before he exposed defenses over last 5 games, not to mention the nice game he had against the Patriots before he hit those final 5 games. If teams were going to expose him, it would've happened before the final 5 games of the 2021 season.

Worst thing for a rookie QB with 22 starts under his belt between CFB and the NFL is to dump the staff (it had to be done regardless....it shouldn't have been Lovie in the first place) and bring in a new playbook and an ultra conservative approach. It didn't help that Collins went out with an injury and Cooks quit on the team. As for Cooks, he wasn't taking the tops off any defenses in 2022 like he had done in 2021. Mills had a lot of bad throws, but it's somewhat expected by a 2nd year QB in a new system. Not an excuse but simply an observation.

Mills has an NFL arm and can fire lasers when needed. He did toss 15 picks, but he also tossed 17 TD's.....a good with the bad scenario. The biggest issue with Mills was the Texans organization and coaching staff. He had no business stepping onto an NFL in 2021. Texans should've had (2) veterans while Mills ran the scout team for at least a season......on the other hand, that might've gave him a tremendous amount of confidence. Ryans stated for the record, "We have to add more to that position. The quarterback is one piece to a team ". That statement in no way isolated Davis Mills, but at the position in general. Everything posted by members has been speculation including my post(s). Mills and the drafted QB must have a veteran to lean on in 2023....my choice would be Jimmy Garoppolo b/c of his knowledge of the offense Ryans may be bringing to the Texans. Jimmy G would be a great mentor for both Mills and the new QB, and a sound starter until his annual injury happens. Hopefully that wouldn't happen inside the 8th game of the season b/c those starts would be excellent for Mills or the new QB.

The Texans have never gotten this right, but this opportunity is finally presenting itself at the right time, and with a new staff coming on board. Maybe this time they'll get it right.

Excellent points and post.

 

[ben.aires.smith]

Mills played QB in 13 games in 2021......exactly how much game film did they need to expose him? He had 8 games on film for DC's before he exposed defenses over last 5 games, not to mention the nice game he had against the Patriots before he hit those final 5 games. If teams were going to expose him, it would've happened before the final 5 games of the 2021 season.

Worst thing for a rookie QB with 22 starts under his belt between CFB and the NFL is to dump the staff (it had to be done regardless....it shouldn't have been Lovie in the first place) and bring in a new playbook and an ultra conservative approach. It didn't help that Collins went out with an injury and Cooks quit on the team. As for Cooks, he wasn't taking the tops off any defenses in 2022 like he had done in 2021. Mills had a lot of bad throws, but it's somewhat expected by a 2nd year QB in a new system. Not an excuse but simply an observation.

Mills has an NFL arm and can fire lasers when needed. He did toss 15 picks, but he also tossed 17 TD's.....a good with the bad scenario. The biggest issue with Mills was the Texans organization and coaching staff. He had no business stepping onto an NFL in 2021. Texans should've had (2) veterans while Mills ran the scout team for at least a season......on the other hand, that might've gave him a tremendous amount of confidence. Ryans stated for the record, "We have to add more to that position. The quarterback is one piece to a team ". That statement in no way isolated Davis Mills, but at the position in general. Everything posted by members has been speculation including my post(s). Mills and the drafted QB must have a veteran to lean on in 2023....my choice would be Jimmy Garoppolo b/c of his knowledge of the offense Ryans may be bringing to the Texans. Jimmy G would be a great mentor for both Mills and the new QB, and a sound starter until his annual injury happens. Hopefully that wouldn't happen inside the 8th game of the season b/c those starts would be excellent for Mills or the new QB.

The Texans have never gotten this right, but this opportunity is finally presenting itself at the right time, and with a new staff coming on board. Maybe this time they'll get it right.

And Nico got hurt, Pierce got hurt, Green got hurt and Cooks got hurt/quit for a few games. We were literally like an XFL roster on offense. Shouldn't be used as a total excuse for Mills play, but it was certainly a factor. If Stroud was here last year in these conditions, we'd be calling him a bust after Year 1.

 

[Number19]

And Nico got hurt, Pierce got hurt, Green got hurt and Cooks got hurt/quit for a few games. We were literally like an XFL roster on offense. Shouldn't be used as a total excuse for Mills play, but it was certainly a factor. If Stroud was here last year in these conditions, we'd be calling him a bust after Year 1.

You left out one potentually important injury, Mills got hurt.

 

[JB]

He's the best scout I've ever seen. Lmao

In hindsight?

 

[Dejaview]

Exactly!

edit: aiming the ball leads to disaster

There was a pretty good baseball player a few years ago, can’t remember his name, that ruined a career because he got mental and couldn’t throw to first base. Sounds like if this is what DM is dealing with he’s going to have to defeat it.

 

[Texazan]

There was a pretty good baseball player a few years ago, can’t remember his name, that ruined a career because he got mental and couldn’t throw to first base. Sounds like if this is what DM is dealing with he’s going to have to defeat it.

Chuck Knoblauch

 

[76Texan]

Mills wasn't ranked 32nd.

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Just 44th.
Ouch.

 

[76Texan]

36th on PFN

 

[steelbtexan]

36th on PFN

Doesn't surprise me at all considering what he had to work with.

You can expect about the same if Ryans decides to fix the defense this offseason and doesn't add a center/weapons around the new QB.

 

[thunderkyss]

Mills wasn't ranked 32nd.

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Just 44th.
Ouch.

Here’s the list from 2021. Look at Trevor Lawrence & Geno Smith.

I honestly don’t care about Mills. But, all I’m looking for QB wise, for the Texans is a guy that won’t give games away. Mills wasn’t that guy in 2022.

A rookie is not likely to be that guy.

We don’t have the money for Carr, Garoppolo & we shouldn’t spend money on Brisett/Dalton

so where does that leave us?

Draft a QB, sure. Sign a vet, sure. But if, imo, we’re not rushing for 80 yards/game from the RBs I don’t want my drafted QB in the game. I don’t care how bad Mills is. I don’t care how bad the FA vet is. I don’t care how bad the guy we pick up off the street mid-season is.

If we can’t help our QB with a run game, I don’t want to see a rookie, whether we traded up to get him, took him with 1.2 or picked him up later, on the field until we can.

& if these yahoos think the rookie QB is going to fix the run game issues we’ve had for years, then we’re in for a long rebuild that hasn’t started yet & won’t start until we clean house.

 

[steelbtexan]

Here’s the list from 2021. Look at Trevor Lawrence & Geno Smith.

I honestly don’t care about Mills. But, all I’m looking for QB wise, for the Texans is a guy that won’t give games away. Mills wasn’t that guy in 2022.

A rookie is not likely to be that guy.

We don’t have the money for Carr, Garoppolo & we shouldn’t spend money on Brisett/Dalton

so where does that leave us?

Draft a QB, sure. Sign a vet, sure. But if, imo, we’re not rushing for 80 yards/game from the RBs I don’t want my drafted QB in the game. I don’t care how bad Mills is. I don’t care how bad the FA vet is. I don’t care how bad the guy we pick up off the street mid-season is.

If we can’t help our QB with a run game, I don’t want to see a rookie, whether we traded up to get him, took him with 1.2 or picked him up later, on the field until we can.

& if these yahoos think the rookie QB is going to fix the run game issues we’ve had for years, then we’re in for a long rebuild that hasn’t started yet & won’t start until we clean house.

You don't think the rebuild started the moment Derrick got traded, followed by hiring Ryan's?

 

[cuppacoffee]

No, the divide comes when you have people lobbying so hard for players that aren't good. All these excuses with words like better coaching or fixable, I just don't get the need to push for and get behind guys like that. There's much better than Davis Mills out there, regardless of coaching, fixability or whatever other excuses you want to make.

Pep Hamilton was promoted to OC so that Mills would have some familiarity. It didn't work. In fact, he appeared to regress. He's not good.

Speaking of poor excuses.

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..


Whew! Now that I have caught my breath.

Are you serious?

 

[76Texan]

Here’s the list from 2021. Look at Trevor Lawrence & Geno Smith.

I honestly don’t care about Mills. But, all I’m looking for QB wise, for the Texans is a guy that won’t give games away. Mills wasn’t that guy in 2022.

A rookie is not likely to be that guy.

We don’t have the money for Carr, Garoppolo & we shouldn’t spend money on Brisett/Dalton

so where does that leave us?

Draft a QB, sure. Sign a vet, sure. But if, imo, we’re not rushing for 80 yards/game from the RBs I don’t want my drafted QB in the game. I don’t care how bad Mills is. I don’t care how bad the FA vet is. I don’t care how bad the guy we pick up off the street mid-season is.

If we can’t help our QB with a run game, I don’t want to see a rookie, whether we traded up to get him, took him with 1.2 or picked him up later, on the field until we can.

& if these yahoos think the rookie QB is going to fix the run game issues we’ve had for years, then we’re in for a long rebuild that hasn’t started yet & won’t start until we clean house.

In Philip Rivers' last season with the Chargers, their offensive line ranked 29th.
The top two RBs combined for 85.8 ypg.
Rivers had the worse year of his career.

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Enter the rookie Justin Herbert.
The Offensive Line ended up last in the league.
The Chargers lost their no. 1 RB, Melvin Gordon.
Their top two backs combined for 78.3 ypg.

The top 3 weapons were the same (Keenan Allen, Mike Williams, and Hunter Henry.)
If anything, these three guys played injured more often and combined to miss more games.

This should spell disaster for a rookie QB, but no, Herbert shined through all of it.

Like I said before, if the rookie is ready; he can play.

 

[thunderkyss]

This should spell disaster for a rookie QB, but no, Herbert shined through all of it.

Cool. If the goal was to spit shine QBs.

there were rumors about Staley getting fired. They fired the OC. QB looks shiny.

thanks for the example

 

[76Texan]

Cool. If the goal was to spit shine QBs.

there were rumors about Staley getting fired. They fired the OC. QB looks shiny.

thanks for the example

In 2020, the Chargers were under Anthony Lynn (as the HC).

Whatever the Chargers did since then have no bearing to the example.

 

[thunderkyss]

In 2020, the Chargers were under Anthony Lynn (as the HC).

Whatever the Chargers did since then have no bearing to the example.

What are you saying?

85 ypg isn’t a high enough bar? Ok. I agree. Let’s make it 110.

Are you saying the Chargers was made better by adding Herbert to a team that avg’d 85ypg the year before? How is that relevant to what I said?

Do we want a shiny QB or a championship game team?

 

[76Texan]

What are you saying?

85 ypg isn’t a high enough bar? Ok. I agree. Let’s make it 110.

Are you saying the Chargers was made better by adding Herbert to a team that avg’d 85ypg the year before? How is that relevant to what I said?

Do we want a shiny QB or a championship game team?

Of the Bengals offensive line in Burrow' rookie year (2020), only two remained in 2021 and played in the SB (one of them is another fellow rookie of Burrow).

The Bengals offensive line ranked 30th in 2020.

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Joe Mixon average 75.3 ypg in 2021.

My point is that if the rookie QB is ready, he can play.

Just like Watson when he was a rookie.
Look at the Texans offensive line in 2017.

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[Texansballer74]

Doesn't surprise me at all considering what he had to work with.

You can expect about the same if Ryans decides to fix the defense this offseason and doesn't add a center/weapons around the new QB.

So it wasn’t his fault huh. It was the cast around him sailing passes over their heads. It was their fault he was throwing at their darn feet. It was their fault he refused to go through his progressions. It was everyone else’s fault he wouldn’t run the ball when it was available. Bump stepping up in the pocket huh. Lol yeah it was it was the cast around him.

 

[Texansballer74]

Here’s the list from 2021. Look at Trevor Lawrence & Geno Smith.

I honestly don’t care about Mills. But, all I’m looking for QB wise, for the Texans is a guy that won’t give games away. Mills wasn’t that guy in 2022.

A rookie is not likely to be that guy.

We don’t have the money for Carr, Garoppolo & we shouldn’t spend money on Brisett/Dalton

so where does that leave us?

Draft a QB, sure. Sign a vet, sure. But if, imo, we’re not rushing for 80 yards/game from the RBs I don’t want my drafted QB in the game. I don’t care how bad Mills is. I don’t care how bad the FA vet is. I don’t care how bad the guy we pick up off the street mid-season is.

If we can’t help our QB with a run game, I don’t want to see a rookie, whether we traded up to get him, took him with 1.2 or picked him up later, on the field until we can.

& if these yahoos think the rookie QB is going to fix the run game issues we’ve had for years, then we’re in for a long rebuild that hasn’t started yet & won’t start until we clean house.

Have we not seen a rookie help out the running game right here in Houston. The running game improved with a freaking rookie named Watson. So those yahoos might know what they’re talking about.

 

[thunderkyss]

Of the Bengals offensive line in Burrow' rookie year (2020), only two remained in 2021 and played in the SB (one of them is another fellow rookie of Burrow).

Coming out of college, where do you rank these guys

Burrows, Young, Stroud, Watson, Herbert

My point is that if the rookie QB is ready, he can play.

Just like Watson when he was a rookie.
Look at the Texans offensive line in 2017.

imo Watson & Burrows would be better QBs today had they gone to better teams.

Are you arguing Young can take last year’s team to the Super Bowl?

 

[thunderkyss]

Have we not seen a rookie help out the running game right here in Houston. The running game improved with a freaking rookie named Watson. So those yahoos might know what they’re talking about.

I’m sorry. I guess I should restate in every post that I want a championship team.

 

[steelbtexan]

So it wasn’t his fault huh. It was the cast around him sailing passes over their heads. It was their fault he was throwing at their darn feet. It was their fault he refused to go through his progressions. It was everyone else’s fault he wouldn’t run the ball when it was available. Bump stepping up in the pocket huh. Lol yeah it was it was the cast around him.

I'm just saying no QB could've been successful with what he had to work with and I tried to tell you this before the season started.

I just hope whoever the new QB is, that he's held to the Mills standard. I'm going set this as the standard for QB play.to the Mills standard.

Everything that goes wrong is the QB's fault standard, regardless of whether he's a rookie or not. After all Mills has barely played what equates to a full season with what according to some of y'all is way worse coaching than what the new QB is going to have. So the rookie should be awesome within the 1st 5-6 starts.

 

[76Texan]

Coming out of college, where do you rank these guys

Burrows, Young, Stroud, Watson, Herbert


imo Watson & Burrows would be better QBs today had they gone to better teams.

Are you arguing Young can take last year’s team to the Super Bowl?

Don't get ahead of yourself.

What I'm saying now is the same as I had told you many moons ago.

That if you think a guy can be your franchise QB, you should really consider spending a first rounder on him.

And this was with Russell Wilson.

I didn't know if he was going to take a team to the SB, but my thought was that he can be my franchise QB.

Heck. I don't thinknPete Carroll can guarantee anything back then.

It's just that he saw an opportunity and he let the rookie start right away.

I rest my case.

 

[76Texan]

I'm just saying no QB could've been successful with what he had to work with and I tried to tell you this before the season started.

I just hope whoever the new QB is, that he's held to the Mills standard. I'm going set this as the standard for QB play.to the Mills standard.

Everything that goes wrong is the QB's fault standard, regardless of whether he's a rookie or not. After all Mills has barely played what equates to a full season with what according to some of y'all is way worse coaching than what the new QB is going to have. So the rookie should be awesome within the 1st 5-6 starts.

The Texans finished Mill's rookie year with a 4-12 record.

Right up to now, you're still trying to tell us that Nick Caserio has been doing a good job.

But here, you're saying that Mills didn't have much to work with.

And you wonder why I said you've been talking out both sides of your mouth.

 

[76Texan]

I'm just saying no QB could've been successful with what he had to work with and I tried to tell you this before the season started.

I just hope whoever the new QB is, that he's held to the Mills standard. I'm going set this as the standard for QB play.to the Mills standard.

Everything that goes wrong is the QB's fault standard, regardless of whether he's a rookie or not. After all Mills has barely played what equates to a full season with what according to some of y'all is way worse coaching than what the new QB is going to have. So the rookie should be awesome within the 1st 5-6 starts.

I've been showing examples of rookie QBs coming into less than perfect conditions: Herbert, Burrow, Allen.

Nobody expected them to be miracle workers.

But that really has nothing to do with Mills.

I keep asking, do you (guys) really envision Mills leading the Texans to a SB appearance?

The most funny thing with you, steelb, is that you even propose that with Mills, the Texans have a good chance to land either Caleb Williams or Maybe in the next draft.

I mean, what a great vote of confidence to Mills.

 

[thunderkyss]

It's just that he saw an opportunity and he let the rookie start right away.

I rest my case.

Good job. Who were you arguing?

 

[thunderkyss]

I keep asking, do you (guys) really envision Mills leading the Texans to a SB appearance?

Has anyone answered in the affirmative?

The most funny thing with you, steelb, is that you even propose that with Mills, the Texans have a good chance to land either Caleb Williams or Maybe in the next draft.

The funnier thing is you’re not putting 2 and 2 together.

 

[steelbtexan]

The Texans finished Mill's rookie year with a 4-12 record.

Right up to now, you're still trying to tell us that Nick Caserio has been doing a good job.

But here, you're saying that Mills didn't have much to work with.

And you wonder why I said you've been talking out both sides of your mouth.

Correct.

Caserio cleaned up the cap and got a bunch of picks for the future in 2 yrs, which is what I expexted when Caerio was hired. He got more in the derrick trade than I ever thought he would. I'm happy with where the team is at this point.

I'm hoping Mills starts again next yr, because if he's as bad as you and others around here think he is the team should be well positioned to pick a franchise QB in the better 2024 QB draft. If your wrong and Mills looks like a franchise QB with better weapons around him then that's a win-win.

What I hope Cal doesn't do is force a QB pick in this draft.

 

[steelbtexan]

I've been showing examples of rookie QBs coming into less than perfect conditions: Herbert, Burrow, Allen.

Nobody expected them to be miracle workers.

But that really has nothing to do with Mills.

I keep asking, do you (guys) really envision Mills leading the Texans to a SB appearance?

The most funny thing with you, steelb, is that you even propose that with Mills, the Texans have a good chance to land either Caleb Williams or Maybe in the next draft.

I mean, what a great vote of confidence to Mills.

All of these guys you listed had better weapons to work with than Mills did.

Burrow had Higgins/Boyd/Mixon/A.J. Green

Allen- Singletary/John Brown/Beasley/McKenzie/Knox

Herbert had Allen/Williams/Henry/Eckler

Mills- Cooks , that didn't want to be here and played like it. Collins who was avg and improving but missed a bunch of games because of injury. Jorneryman Moore, Pharaoh Brown didn't even last the whole season before being cut. Akins who came back to Kirby after being cut by the NYG.

Pierce was the shining light and he missed the last3 games.


What skill position players has Mills had to work with that can compare to what Burrow/Herbert/Allen have had to work with?

 

[76Texan]

Has anyone answered in the affirmative?


The funnier thing is you’re not putting 2 and 2 together.

Not sure what you meant in the second part.

I may want to step back and reasess the points in all these discussions/arguments.

After awhile it becomes all mumbo jumbo, going in all different directions.

 

[76Texan]

Correct.

Caserio cleaned up the cap and got a bunch of picks for the future in 2 yrs, which is what I expexted when Caerio was hired. He got more in the derrick trade than I ever thought he would. I'm happy with where the team is at this point.

I'm hoping Mills starts again next yr, because if he's as bad as you and others around here think he is the team should be well positioned to pick a franchise QB in the better 2024 QB draft. If your wrong and Mills looks like a franchise QB with better weapons around him then that's a win-win.

What I hope Cal doesn't do is force a QB pick in this draft.

You were among those who underestimate Watson's skills on the field.

I had told you many times how a bidding war can end up.

Even from the early stage when I showed you links of how Steve Young said 3 first round picks for Watson was a no-brainer.

There were multiple buyers at ALL stages of the process.

It was just you that didn't think Watson could brings boat load of picks.

I had tried to tell you otherwise.

Who was right?
Certainly not you.

 

[76Texan]

Correct.

Caserio cleaned up the cap and got a bunch of picks for the future in 2 yrs, which is what I expexted when Caerio was hired. He got more in the derrick trade than I ever thought he would. I'm happy with where the team is at this point.

I'm hoping Mills starts again next yr, because if he's as bad as you and others around here think he is the team should be well positioned to pick a franchise QB in the better 2024 QB draft. If your wrong and Mills looks like a franchise QB with better weapons around him then that's a win-win.

What I hope Cal doesn't do is force a QB pick in this draft.

Secondly, your hoping that Mills start next year does not rhyme with your wanting a franchise QB that will take the team to a SB.

You've been trying to tell us that you want a guy who can win it all, yet you still have thoughts that Mills may do so badly that the Texans will have a chance to draft first on 2024.

Again, you're talking out both sides of your mouth, and you don't even realize it.

 

[thunderkyss]

Secondly, your hoping that Mills start next year does not rhyme with your wanting a franchise QB that will take the team to a SB.

You've been trying to tell us that you want a guy who can win it all, yet you still have thoughts that Mills may do so badly that the Texans will have a chance to draft first on 2024.

Again, you're talking out both sides of your mouth, and you don't even realize it.

The goal is not to win the Super Bowl next season. It's about laying a foundation.

Mills is not the end, nobody ever thought he was. He's the means.

 

[76Texan]

All of these guys you listed had better weapons to work with than Mills did.

Burrow had Higgins/Boyd/Mixon/A.J. Green

Allen- Singletary/John Brown/Beasley/McKenzie/Knox

Herbert had Allen/Williams/Henry/Eckler

Mills- Cooks , that didn't want to be here and played like it. Collins who was avg and improving but missed a bunch of games because of injury. Jorneryman Moore, Pharaoh Brown didn't even last the whole season before being cut. Akins who came back to Kirby after being cut by the NYG.

Pierce was the shining light and he missed the last3 games.


What skill position players has Mills had to work with that can compare to what Burrow/Herbert/Allen have had to work with?

What there was is that they had worse offensive line, some with a worse running game, receiving corp, depending on the year.
But they were never ranked at the bottom.

 

[76Texan]

All of these guys you listed had better weapons to work with than Mills did.

Burrow had Higgins/Boyd/Mixon/A.J. Green

Allen- Singletary/John Brown/Beasley/McKenzie/Knox

Herbert had Allen/Williams/Henry/Eckler

Mills- Cooks , that didn't want to be here and played like it. Collins who was avg and improving but missed a bunch of games because of injury. Jorneryman Moore, Pharaoh Brown didn't even last the whole season before being cut. Akins who came back to Kirby after being cut by the NYG.

Pierce was the shining light and he missed the last3 games.


What skill position players has Mills had to work with that can compare to what Burrow/Herbert/Allen have had to work with?

I had shown you that the Oline and the skill positions consistently ranked higher than Mills.
He's the one that holds the team back.

 

[76Texan]

The goal is not to win the Super Bowl next season. It's about laying a foundation.

Mills is not the end, nobody ever thought he was. He's the means.

Man, I came from Vietnam.

I hate the talk about the end and the means. Communism and all.

Bad memories it bring, even though I was barely 16 when I left the country .

 

[Thorn]

I’m sorry. I guess I should restate in every post that I want a championship team.

Well, you have to be specific. What city?

 

[76Texan]

The goal is not to win the Super Bowl next season. It's about laying a foundation.

Mills is not the end, nobody ever thought he was. He's the means.

When I first got here to the States (in Shreveport, Louisiana) I had had some schooling at the Vietnamese-American Cultural Center in Saigon m

The goal is not to win the Super Bowl next season. It's about laying a foundation.

Mills is not the end, nobody ever thought he was. He's the means.

My first English teacher in the US gave us an essay to write, kinda like what you did last summer.
And I wrote about the ordeal when the four of us siblings left the country on the floor of a cargo plane , a C-41.
I still has it somewhere in the garage.
Whether I got some slack from the teacher is not the point.
My classmates, my friends, couldn't believe that I was proficient in English.

Yes, I killed it in all the Math and Science classes, but it was in English that I really earned it.

I even had the audacity to sign up for the Speech class in the second semester. I just want to learn and to improve myself even though I was in a clear disadvantage.

It was not the grade that I was after.
I didn't want to prove anything either.

I just figured I wanted to be normal, just as if I was still back in Vietnam.

On that end, it really helped me with my English.

It helped me to adapt quickly to life in America.

I made a lot of friends.
Guys on the football team, basketball team, soccer team, speech team, science team, math team.

I had a chance to mingle with them on Friday nights, go to the town square after games, go to the hang out place afterward, got accepted.
To me, that was a highlight.
To be able to hang out with a lot of different friends in highschool.

I also worked through highschool.
My classmates would see me (among "white boys and colored boys") at the school cafeteria.
Rarely did any of them saw me working after class.
I loved it all and would not change it for the world.
I learned a good bit of things from Mr. Buford, who learned me how to use tools from the hammer on.

What the heck, I just thought I share it here.

 

[Speedy]

Speaking of poor excuses.

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Whew! Now that I have caught my breath.

Are you serious?

Is there anything I said that wasn't the truth?

 

[austins23]

In Philip Rivers' last season with the Chargers, their offensive line ranked 29th.
The top two RBs combined for 85.8 ypg.
Rivers had the worse year of his career.

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Enter the rookie Justin Herbert.
The Offensive Line ended up last in the league.
The Chargers lost their no. 1 RB, Melvin Gordon.
Their top two backs combined for 78.3 ypg.

The top 3 weapons were the same (Keenan Allen, Mike Williams, and Hunter Henry.)
If anything, these three guys played injured more often and combined to miss more games.

This should spell disaster for a rookie QB, but no, Herbert shined through all of it.

Like I said before, if the rookie is ready; he can play.

Truth. Herbert can play. But not having all his weapons on field together and for him to still do that well….. sounds like some good coaching to me. Somewhere. Someone is coaching him up

 

[Texansphan]

Here’s the list from 2021. Look at Trevor Lawrence & Geno Smith.

I honestly don’t care about Mills. But, all I’m looking for QB wise, for the Texans is a guy that won’t give games away. Mills wasn’t that guy in 2022.

A rookie is not likely to be that guy.

We don’t have the money for Carr, Garoppolo & we shouldn’t spend money on Brisett/Dalton

so where does that leave us?

Draft a QB, sure. Sign a vet, sure. But if, imo, we’re not rushing for 80 yards/game from the RBs I don’t want my drafted QB in the game. I don’t care how bad Mills is. I don’t care how bad the FA vet is. I don’t care how bad the guy we pick up off the street mid-season is.

If we can’t help our QB with a run game, I don’t want to see a rookie, whether we traded up to get him, took him with 1.2 or picked him up later, on the field until we can.

& if these yahoos think the rookie QB is going to fix the run game issues we’ve had for years, then we’re in for a long rebuild that hasn’t started yet & won’t start until we clean house.

Yeppers chief.
To give your QB a chance to succeed, you got to open up his full play book and a strong ground game is an oft neglected, one half of the equation. Simple as that.
If your QB is a bit of a dud in the passing game, at least he can hand it off - and that is where it is more than just nice to have a powerful run game, it can keep you in a game.
Even Davis Mills can handle that .

 

[Texansphan]

In Philip Rivers' last season with the Chargers, their offensive line ranked 29th.
The top two RBs combined for 85.8 ypg.
Rivers had the worse year of his career.

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Enter the rookie Justin Herbert.
The Offensive Line ended up last in the league.
The Chargers lost their no. 1 RB, Melvin Gordon.
Their top two backs combined for 78.3 ypg.

The top 3 weapons were the same (Keenan Allen, Mike Williams, and Hunter Henry.)
If anything, these three guys played injured more often and combined to miss more games.

This should spell disaster for a rookie QB, but no, Herbert shined through all of it.

Like I said before, if the rookie is ready; he can play.

Do you think Mills could have been more successful with an extra 20-30 yards per game on the ground last season? A few more first downs per game can make a huge difference - especially in key moments.

 

[Texansphan]

All of these guys you listed had better weapons to work with than Mills did.

Burrow had Higgins/Boyd/Mixon/A.J. Green

Allen- Singletary/John Brown/Beasley/McKenzie/Knox

Herbert had Allen/Williams/Henry/Eckler

Mills- Cooks , that didn't want to be here and played like it. Collins who was avg and improving but missed a bunch of games because of injury. Jorneryman Moore, Pharaoh Brown didn't even last the whole season before being cut. Akins who came back to Kirby after being cut by the NYG.

Pierce was the shining light and he missed the last3 games.


What skill position players has Mills had to work with that can compare to what Burrow/Herbert/Allen have had to work with?

Agree. We ain't trying to say Mills is a Burrow/Herbert/Allen, but it is blatantly obvious to any serious student of the game that Mills was in one of the worst situations in the entire league.
You can bet any one of the aforementioned three would also have looked mortal last season if they were in the same situation.

 

[OptimisticTexan]

Mills….drafted by a crap Texans team at the time who just had their RD1 QB quit on the team.

Mills arrived with 11 CFB starts on his resume. The Texans had just hired a lame duck HC and kept an OB holdover as OC. He should’ve been sent packing along with OB. So Mills should’ve been QB3 during what was supposed to be a developmental season. Oft-Injured veteran QB1 goes down and RD3 developmental project suddenly finds himself as QB1…..who never took a snap with the 1st string unit. It went as expected until it didn’t. Hope for 2022 was in the air.

Mills now has 11 more starts on his resume going into the 2022 season. The only problem facing him now was a new HC and staff….that changed the offense to an ultra conservative approach. Mid point of the season and now Cooks quits on the team and Collins is injured. His season went downhill pretty quickly. One of the biggest issues, he wasn’t stepping into his throws and appeared more than ready to throw off his back foot. This obviously didn’t lend itself to great results. Since he was cleared to run more, he developed a nasty habit of two-handing the ball in front of his body thinking he’d lunge forward for 1st downs….this lead to bad fumbles. What I really noticed during the games….OC not QB Coach we’re spending time with him on the sidelines to coach him up after those mistakes.

Make no mistake, Mills has the physical tools to be an NFL QB. Now he needs to be coached up to take the next step. He’ll get his chance…..whether it’s with the Texans, another team, or another league….we’ll have to wait and see.

Maybe Ryan’s and his staff can be the group to finally get this QB development thing right.

 

[Texansphan]

Mills….drafted by a crap Texans team at the time who just had their RD1 QB quit on the team.

Mills arrived with 11 CFB starts on his resume. The Texans had just hired a lame duck HC and kept an OB holdover as OC. He should’ve been sent packing along with OB. So Mills should’ve been QB3 during what was supposed to be a developmental season. Oft-Injured veteran QB1 goes down and RD3 developmental project suddenly finds himself as QB1…..who never took a snap with the 1st string unit. It went as expected until it didn’t. Hope for 2022 was in the air.

Mills now has 11 more starts on his resume going into the 2022 season. The only problem facing him now was a new HC and staff….that changed the offense to an ultra conservative approach. Mid point of the season and now Cooks quits on the team and Collins is injured. His season went downhill pretty quickly. One of the biggest issues, he wasn’t stepping into his throws and appeared more than ready to throw off his back foot. This obviously didn’t lend itself to great results. Since he was cleared to run more, he developed a nasty habit of two-handing the ball in front of his body thinking he’d lunge forward for 1st downs….this lead to bad fumbles. What I really noticed during the games….OC not QB Coach we’re spending time with him on the sidelines to coach him up after those mistakes.

Make no mistake, Mills has the physical tools to be an NFL QB. Now he needs to be coached up to take the next step. He’ll get his chance…..whether it’s with the Texans, another team, or another league….we’ll have to wait and see.

Maybe Ryan’s and his staff can be the group to finally get this QB development thing right.

If DM has any smarts, he will be spending as much time as possible working with a QB coach somewhere - that is if he has any desire to be more than a backup in this league - I hope so as he has the physical traits and tools and can throw the ball well enough.
It's understandable that he lacks confidence but he also seems to lack that fire you want to see. Perhaps that will come once he gets some confidence but I wouldn't bank on it.

 

[santo]

The fact that he left college with just 11 starts as a starter should have been a flag. That works in the NBA but not the NFL.

 

[Dejaview]

Man, I came from Vietnam.

I hate the talk about the end and the means. Communism and all.

Bad memories it bring, even though I was barely 16 when I left the country .

I didn’t realize Aristotle was a communist.

 

[Number19]

If DM has any smarts, he will be spending as much time as possible working with a QB coach somewhere...

I'm thinking the same thing. I've always been a self motivator and can't imagine anyone in his position not doing so. His family background should be a help in his motivation to improve.