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Davis Mills getting no respect

76Texan said:
You were among those who underestimate Watson's skills on the field.

I had told you many times how a bidding war can end up.

Even from the early stage when I showed you links of how Steve Young said 3 first round picks for Watson was a no-brainer.

There were multiple buyers at ALL stages of the process.

It was just you that didn't think Watson could brings boat load of picks.

I had tried to tell you otherwise.

Who was right?
Certainly not you.
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I THOUGHT HE WAS GOING TO JAIL. Which he should have.

I also was wrong when I thought the NFL cared about what's right and wrong, in addition to their image.

No I didn't underestimate Derrick's skills on the field. The Haslem's did. You will see in good time.
 
76Texan said:
Secondly, your hoping that Mills start next year does not rhyme with your wanting a franchise QB that will take the team to a SB.

You've been trying to tell us that you want a guy who can win it all, yet you still have thoughts that Mills may do so badly that the Texans will have a chance to draft first on 2024.

Again, you're talking out both sides of your mouth, and you don't even realize it.
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SMDH

It rhymes perfectly, you are either too hard headed or have reading comprehension problems to understand.
 
76Texan said:
What there was is that they had worse offensive line, some with a worse running game, receiving corp, depending on the year.
But they were never ranked at the bottom.
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Out of those skill positions for the teams listed would you please rank them for me.
 
thunderkyss said:
Coming out of college, where do you rank these guys

Burrows, Young, Stroud, Watson, Herbert
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Burrow - Coming off possibly the greatest college QB season ever
Young - Two years of dominant performances in the SEC
Watson - Proven winner with upside
Herbert - 4 year starter with production and upside
Stroud - Two outstanding seasons, still has upside
 
76Texan said:
Man, I came from Vietnam.

I hate the talk about the end and the means. Communism and all.

Bad memories it bring, even though I was barely 16 when I left the country .
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Ends to a means in this case has nothing to do with communism. Nice try at deflecting though.
 
Texansphan said:
If DM has any smarts, he will be spending as much time as possible working with a QB coach somewhere - that is if he has any desire to be more than a backup in this league - I hope so as he has the physical traits and tools and can throw the ball well enough.
It's understandable that he lacks confidence but he also seems to lack that fire you want to see. Perhaps that will come once he gets some confidence but I wouldn't bank on it.
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Yep, Mills has some flaws. But he's got arm talent (and good throwing form when he doesn't fall back into bad habits like bad foot toss), physical tools and showed a great ability to adapt quickly as a rookie to put up strongish numbers. So, I'm pretty confident there's more upside up with the right coaching and better cast... Whether that's in Houston after his rookie deal expires remains to be seen. He'll get another shot to start somewhere if the Houston ship has sailed. Still a strong backup QB option to have for the next couple of years.
 
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76Texan said:
When I first got here to the States (in Shreveport, Louisiana) I had had some schooling at the Vietnamese-American Cultural Center in Saigon m

My first English teacher in the US gave us an essay to write, kinda like what you did last summer.
And I wrote about the ordeal when the four of us siblings left the country on the floor of a cargo plane , a C-41.
I still has it somewhere in the garage.
Whether I got some slack from the teacher is not the point.
My classmates, my friends, couldn't believe that I was proficient in English.

Yes, I killed it in all the Math and Science classes, but it was in English that I really earned it.

I even had the audacity to sign up for the Speech class in the second semester. I just want to learn and to improve myself even though I was in a clear disadvantage.

It was not the grade that I was after.
I didn't want to prove anything either.

I just figured I wanted to be normal, just as if I was still back in Vietnam.

On that end, it really helped me with my English.

It helped me to adapt quickly to life in America.

I made a lot of friends.
Guys on the football team, basketball team, soccer team, speech team, science team, math team.

I had a chance to mingle with them on Friday nights, go to the town square after games, go to the hang out place afterward, got accepted.
To me, that was a highlight.
To be able to hang out with a lot of different friends in highschool.

I also worked through highschool.
My classmates would see me (among "white boys and colored boys") at the school cafeteria.
Rarely did any of them saw me working after class.
I loved it all and would not change it for the world.
I learned a good bit of things from Mr. Buford, who learned me how to use tools from the hammer on.

What the heck, I just thought I share it here.
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Is this a football forum or a Tony Robbins seminar?

We all have stories over stuff we've had to overcome in life.

I was an abused child.

You should read the story I wrote for my teacher.
 
Texansphan said:
Do you think Mills could have been more successful with an extra 20-30 yards per game on the ground last season? A few more first downs per game can make a huge difference - especially in key moments.
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Think about how many more games they could've won if they had run the ball more effectively in the 4th qtr.
 
Texansphan said:
Or 3rd and short or deep in the red zone.
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Or how about just a competent short offense period. Man, Pep Hamilton was the absolute worst playcaller ever in short down situations. This had nothing to do with the QB being unable to execute.

Haha remember that key 4th and 1 deep inside Chargers territory where Pep calls a fake handoff/QB option for Mills right into Khalil Mack side of the line :brickwall: . How many examples of those types of plays were there??
 
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Lucky said:
Burrow - Coming off possibly the greatest college QB season ever
Young - Two years of dominant performances in the SEC
Watson - Proven winner with upside
Herbert - 4 year starter with production and upside
Stroud - Two outstanding seasons, still has upside
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Proven winner

Other than Burrow what has any of these guys won?

Watson- 51-7, no more needs to be said
Young- The only Alabama QB in the lasy 4 QB's not to win a national championship (McCarron/Tua/Jones/ heck, you can even throw Hurts in there)

Herbert- Speaks for itself

Stroud could even beat Michigan in his last 2 yrs of starting, unlike all of the other Ohio St. busts that made Michigan their step child.
 
ben.aires.smith said:
Yep, Mills has some flaws. But he's got arm talent and showed a great ability to adapt quickly as a rookie to put up strongish numbers. So, I'm pretty confident there's more upside up with the right coaching and better cast... Whether that's in Houston after his rookie deal expires remains to be seen. He'll get another shot to start somewhere if the Houston ship has sailed. Still a strong backup QB option to have for the next couple of years.
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Fair or not, this was Mill's year to prove he was more than a guy who can play well when things around him or near perfect. Outside of a game or two, Davis performed bottom five week-in week-out. Not many 3rd round NFL QBs get two years as the clear starter.

IMO, Davis Mills at his best is Dak Prescott/Kurt Cousins range player. And that's going to take a tom of time, coaching, and talent around Mills to make it even that far.
 
AcresHomesTexan said:
Fair or not, this was Mill's year to prove he was more than a guy who can play well when things around him or near perfect. Outside of a game or two, Davis performed bottom five week-in week-out. Not many 3rd round NFL QBs get two years as the clear starter.

IMO, Davis Mills at his best is Dak Prescott/Kurt Cousins range player. And that's going to take a tom of time, coaching, and talent around Mills to make it even that far.
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Fair assessment. I always personally believed Mills ultimate upside was a Derek Carr or Matt Ryan (non-outlier years) type player. That seems about right. Which is why he'll likely get a shot somewhere to see if he can become that... And yes, fair or not, 2022 was his chance. So, we move on to Plan B. Just hoping we get this right because we're saddled to this guy for 3 years if he's a high lottery pick.
 
AcresHomesTexan said:
Fair or not, this was Mill's year to prove he was more than a guy who can play well when things around him or near perfect. Outside of a game or two, Davis performed bottom five week-in week-out. Not many 3rd round NFL QBs get two years as the clear starter.

IMO, Davis Mills at his best is Dak Prescott/Kurt Cousins range player. And that's going to take a tom of time, coaching, and talent around Mills to make it even that far.
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We will never no because from the coaching and the weapons around him things were far from perfect. In fact they were down right bad. I dont see anything wrong with drafting weapons for Mills to work with and then drafting a QB in 2024. Seems like a good plan to me. Unless you believe in Young/Stroud/Levis, which I dont.
 
ben.aires.smith said:
Fair assessment. I always personally believed Mills ultimate upside was a Derek Carr or Matt Ryan (non-outlier years) type player. That seems about right. Which is why he'll likely get a shot somewhere to see if he can become that... And yes, fair or not, 2022 was his chance. So, we move on to Plan B. Just hoping we get this right because we're saddled to this guy for 3 years if he's a high lottery pick.
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It doesn't have to be this way if you let Mills play next yr and draft your QB in 2024.
 
steelbtexan said:
We will never no because from the coaching and the weapons around him things were far from perfect. In fact they were down right bad. I dont see anything wrong with drafting weapons for Mills to work with and then drafting a QB in 2024. Seems like a good plan to me. Unless you believe in Young/Stroud/Levis, which I dont.
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I don't either. But more than that, I just don't want them to get this pick wrong. At least with a dev guy like Richardson or Hooker out of the high lottery, the team won't be significantly impaired if they don't turn out. I don't want Stroud either.
 
steelbtexan said:
Proven winner

Other than Burrow what has any of these guys won?
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Reading comprehension. It's important in understanding what someone is saying through the written word.

Like when @thunderkyss asks, how do you rank these QBs coming out of college? Deshawn Watson had just completed a college career where he went to back to back national championship games, winning one in his last season in dramatic fashion. Largely because of his performances.
 
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Mills is a good guy…but wouldn’t be good with 10 future hall of famers around him. He is total and utter garbage as an NFL starter and needs a one way ticket to the USFL or XFL so he can weasel his way back on a roster as a #2 somewhere. Hopefully the team in Outer Mongolia or on a deserted island somewhere so I don’t have to watch that trash again. I’d rather pull my eyeballs out with toothpicks than watch that trash play again.
 
steelbtexan said:
We will never no because from the coaching and the weapons around him things were far from perfect. In fact they were down right bad. I dont see anything wrong with drafting weapons for Mills to work with and then drafting a QB in 2024. Seems like a good plan to me. Unless you believe in Young/Stroud/Levis, which I dont.
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If this is what the Texans do, the outcome I see is the overall team improving enough to be garden variety bad 6-7 wins outside of the truly elite prospects (Caleb Williams and Maye) and also the range where trading up to pick one or two is realistic. It is hard to 4 win or less bad for four consecutive years.
 
Porky said:
Mills is a good guy…but wouldn’t be good with 10 future hall of famers around him. He is total and utter garbage as an NFL starter and needs a one way ticket to the USFL or XFL so he can weasel his way back on a roster as a #2 somewhere. Hopefully the team in Outer Mongolia or on a deserted island somewhere so I don’t have to watch that trash again. I’d rather pull my eyeballs out with toothpicks than watch that trash play again.
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While you're on that deserted island you can make this in your spare time.

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Lucky said:
Reading comprehension. It's important in understanding what someone is saying through the written word.

Like when @thunderkyss asks, how do you rank these QBs coming out of college? Deshawn Watson had just completed a college career where he went to back to back national championship games, winning one in his last season in dramatic fashion. Largely because of his performances.
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TK apparently didn't understand my question then.

I asked him how he would rate these QB's. I never mentioned how I would rate them as college QB's. How good of NFL players do you think they will become? There have been a lot of great QB's in college that weren't good pro's.

By your criteria rating them a college QB's you're spot on. The only thing that really matters at this point is how good they will be in the NFL.

Sorry I wasn't clear in the question I asked TK. BTW, even though derrick had accomplished more in college, I had Mahomes as my QB1 that yr.
 
steelbtexan said:
Which might have had something to do with Cooks quitting and Collins getting hurt again.
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No it didn’t have anything to do with his play before and shortly after the biweek. Go back and look at the timetable dude versus trying to come up with these excuses for Mills poor play, the led to him get benched again.
 
austins23 said:
Truth. Herbert can play. But not having all his weapons on field together and for him to still do that well….. sounds like some good coaching to me. Somewhere. Someone is coaching him up
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Looks like the next Stafford to me, unless the Chargers fix that team quick, if it’s not too late already.
 
Texansphan said:
Agree. We ain't trying to say Mills is a Burrow/Herbert/Allen, but it is blatantly obvious to any serious student of the game that Mills was in one of the worst situations in the entire league.
You can bet any one of the aforementioned three would also have looked mortal last season if they were in the same situation.
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Brandin Cooks mailing it in most of the season did not help.
 
Speedy said:
Is there anything I said that wasn't the truth?
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You said nothing that was intentionally either true or false.

Just assumptions that didn't work out.

Pep Hamilton was promoted to OC so that Mills would have some familiarity.

Familiarity with what? The same hodge podge offensive scheme that got his predecessor fired.

What ever gave you the belief that what you stated there was factual. I would suggest it was only your opinion.

No harm, no foul, we all have them. Mine is just different from yours.

:coffee: :worldpeace:
 
steelbtexan said:
Think about how many more games they could've won if they had run the ball more effectively in the 4th qtr.
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If they would just get better at getting the ball into the hands of their playmakers they would have won a lot… sorry, forgot. We don’t have any play makers.

we could draft a QB with 1.2, then an offensive playmaker at 1.12 & 2.2 & as long as Caserio is perfect everything will be everything
 
steelbtexan said:
Proven winner

Other than Burrow what has any of these guys won?

Watson- 51-7, no more needs to be said
Young- The only Alabama QB in the lasy 4 QB's not to win a national championship (McCarron/Tua/Jones/ heck, you can even throw Hurts in there)

Herbert- Speaks for itself

Stroud could even beat Michigan in his last 2 yrs of starting, unlike all of the other Ohio St. busts that made Michigan their step child.
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So how would you rank them?

Burrows, Young, Stroud, Watson, Herbert
 
AcresHomesTexan said:
Fair or not, this was Mill's year to prove he was more than a guy who can play well when things around him or near perfect. Outside of a game or two, Davis performed bottom five week-in week-out. Not many 3rd round NFL QBs get two years as the clear starter.
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Good point.

again I’ve personally said I couldn’t care less about Mills. But I think drafting a 1st RD QB is putting that rookie in the same poor position we put Mills in.

Sure, your QB is going to look better. Hopefully we win a few extra games. But I think we’ll be in the same position we were in with David Carr, where it looks like Cincinnati is. We’ll keep trying to fix the OL to no avail because the root of the problem is not the OL.

Find me the next possible Tannehill, Geno, Fitzpatrick. Someone who isn’t learning to read defenses pre/post snap. Someone who has experience adjusting the play from the LOS, in response to reading that defense. Someone with experience “getting to the right play”

so that we’ll hand the keys of a Ford Superduty to a QB in the future & not some 30 year old jalopy that needs to be finessed just to get you down the block.
 
Texansballer74 said:
But when it’s time to make plays, he failed big time. So to expect him to do it with less passes, I believe it would’ve been the same
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I saw him make some plays when they let him play.

When they bottled everything up & ask him to make plays on demand things didn’t go well for him.

I do get it. I understand wanting to move on. I just don’t like options right now. I saw all the bad you saw, still I think the best thing we could do to truly fix this team has nothing to do with the QB.

We’ve got to do something about QB. We’ve got one on the roster right now. But I don’t want to spend big money in FA. I don’t want to spend high draft picks on QB.

I’m looking at a list like this, most likely two of the inexpensive options will be in TC competing for a starting job.


Cooper Rush, but Dallas would be stupid to let him go.

CJ Bethard, high probability he’ll be in SanFran of the Gulf Coast.

Nate Sudfield… hmmm.
 
Texansphan said:
Passing is his main weakness.
Handing the ball off is a no brainier if you're struggling as a passer.
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Since passing is his weakness, then why is on this team, or in the NFL for all that matters. One dimensional is not a recipe for success in the NFL. You’ll need the threat of the psss to keep defenses honest. Or they will stack the box, like that did last season to stop the run.
 
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thunderkyss said:
If they would just get better at getting the ball into the hands of their playmakers they would have won a lot… sorry, forgot. We don’t have any play makers.

we could draft a QB with 1.2, then an offensive playmaker at 1.12 & 2.2 & as long as Caserio is perfect everything will be everything
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I'm certainly not against going
1-12 WR
2-33 TE
3-64 RB

As long as Caserio picks up a center in FA.

this is if Ryans wants a QB at 1-2.
 
thunderkyss said:
I saw him make some plays when they let him play.

When they bottled everything up & ask him to make plays on demand things didn’t go well for him.

I do get it. I understand wanting to move on. I just don’t like options right now. I saw all the bad you saw, still I think the best thing we could do to truly fix this team has nothing to do with the QB.

We’ve got to do something about QB. We’ve got one on the roster right now. But I don’t want to spend big money in FA. I don’t want to spend high draft picks on QB.

I’m looking at a list like this, most likely two of the inexpensive options will be in TC competing for a starting job.


Cooper Rush, but Dallas would be stupid to let him go.

CJ Bethard, high probability he’ll be in SanFran of the Gulf Coast.

Nate Sudfield… hmmm.
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We’ve all seen him make a few plays. But when it was money time, he choked. That was not on his teammates.

Brother that’s all well and good. I can’t help you there. Quite of few experts thinks a player like Stroud could possibly help turn this ship around. Even Carr could come in here and possibly help this team out. At least with him you’re getting a quality veteran to lead you ship.

Do you want this ship to keep sinking? If not you will have to do one or the other. We can’t stand Pat knowing this league is centered around the quarterback.

Personally I want them to do what’s best for this team. Whatever’s best to not only help Coach Ryans to succeed but the entire team/organization.

Right now I believe they have put together a dynamic coaching staff. Now it’s time to go get players. And IMO, it starts with the most important position on the field. And TK that’s the quarterback’s position. The four best teams in the playoffs had outstanding quarterbacks.
 
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