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OptimisticTexan said:
Man, Reid got the Eagles to the Super Bowl. Reid’s offense gave McNabb all the opportunities to be a successful NFL QB. Reid has done an even better job in KC….and with Mahomes. As I stated eons ago, had Watson gone to KC with Reid at the helm, his success still would’ve been there. Watson to Tyreek Hill or Kelce would’ve been just as effective. This discussion is strictly related to the football field and not what transpired off the field.

OB should’ve never been a HC until he was confident enough to be a first time NFL HC without wearing 2 hats. OB probably would’ve made a bigger impact as a QB Coach in the NFL.
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McNabb is actually a pretty good comparison to Derrick.

Bottom line is Reid didn't start being talked about being a HOF HC until he drafted Mahomes
 
steelbtexan said:
I think any HC would be much better with Mahomes

A slightly above avg QB usually means a slightly above avg HC.
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Mahomes was not ready for the NFL. That’s why I posted the link to Tyreek Hill’s observation.

BO’b wasn’t going to put him in a winning situation. Wasn’t going to make him better. Not putting him on a team he couldn’t halfass built.

Reid put Mahomes on a veteran team that knew how to win.
 
thunderkyss said:
Mahomes was not ready for the NFL. That’s why I posted the link to Tyreek Hill’s observation.

BO’b wasn’t going to put him in a winning situation. Wasn’t going to make him better. Not putting him on a team he couldn’t halfass built.

Reid put Mahomes on a veteran team that knew how to win.
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You don't know this.

Mahomes took over a talented 11-12 win team.

In other words, Reid built out his team, then got his QB.
 
Khelar said:
Your plan is to replace a great LT with a rookie to block for your new rookie QB when we aren't even short on cap space. I'd call that foolishness
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I'm not ignoring the rest of your post b/c I agree moves that work for the Chiefs or any team for that matter wouldn't (or may not) work for us. However, in focusing on the part I'm quoting, I just can't justify the highest paid LT (as he wants to be) on a losing team that is devoid of talent almost across the board. Tunsil is definitely above average but I don't see him as elite, and even if thought of as elite, he isn't going to elevate this team. When he was acquired, he was 24 and we were seemingly on the rise after finishing 11-5 with an abundance of talent so it made sense to add him. In his first season here we went 10-6 and were still considered competitive even after the playoff collapse in KC. But the wheels have fallen off since then even though it's not his fault. The question in my mind comes down to: is his value to this team being competitive in the W-L column greater than the assets he could bring to help in this rebuild? Everyone, myself included, worries about QB protection but there are multiple ways to accomplish that vs having 1 debatable elite player on the OL. Joe Thomas is considered one of the top 10 LT of all time and as great as he was, it didn't help the Browns ascend to higher levels. Yes a slightly different era but during that time the Browns may have had more talent than we do now. Either way, it's going to be interesting to see how Caserio and Ryans navigate this team.
 
I'm wondering if Justin Fields were to become available would we have any interest in him if the Bears were to decide to draft another QB this year and move on from Fields ? Of course there's plenty of rumors floating around predicting that scenario.
I dunno what do you guys think ?
 
IDEXAN said:
I'm wondering if Justin Fields were to become available would we have any interest in him if the Bears were to decide to draft another QB this year and move on from Fields ? Of course there's plenty of rumors floating around predicting that scenario.
I dunno what do you guys think ?
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If you want a tailback that plays QB he's your guy. If you want a QB that can read defenses, not so much.
 
KoolAid Sipper said:
I'm not ignoring the rest of your post b/c I agree moves that work for the Chiefs or any team for that matter wouldn't (or may not) work for us. However, in focusing on the part I'm quoting, I just can't justify the highest paid LT (as he wants to be) on a losing team that is devoid of talent almost across the board. Tunsil is definitely above average but I don't see him as elite, and even if thought of as elite, he isn't going to elevate this team. When he was acquired, he was 24 and we were seemingly on the rise after finishing 11-5 with an abundance of talent so it made sense to add him. In his first season here we went 10-6 and were still considered competitive even after the playoff collapse in KC. But the wheels have fallen off since then even though it's not his fault. The question in my mind comes down to: is his value to this team being competitive in the W-L column greater than the assets he could bring to help in this rebuild? Everyone, myself included, worries about QB protection but there are multiple ways to accomplish that vs having 1 debatable elite player on the OL. Joe Thomas is considered one of the top 10 LT of all time and as great as he was, it didn't help the Browns ascend to higher levels. Yes a slightly different era but during that time the Browns may have had more talent than we do now. Either way, it's going to be interesting to see how Caserio and Ryans navigate this team.
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He’s an elite pass blocker I don’t think there’s any doubt about that, run blocking he could be better but still certainly above average in that respect. I believe the players voted him the second best LT in the league as well. LT is a premier position especially given that we’re probably about to draft a rookie QB and we have a player who is at the very least a top tier player at that position. That’s worth a lot.

What do we even think we get for him? Tyreek Hill got the Dolphins like a 1st, 2nd, and a 5th right? I can’t imagine Tunsil goes for more than Tyreek Hill so we’ll say we get that.

You’re probably gonna spend the first rounder trying to replace Tunsil so you end up with a net gain of a 2nd and a 5th rounder. Not to mention the fact that you now have added even more uncertainty to an offensive line that is already full of uncertainty and you’re gonna put your new QB behind that line? Idk it just doesn’t make sense to me.

We've got plenty of resources to get good players we're currently short on good players. Trading one of the few good players we have seems counterproductive

Edit: They got a 1st, a 2nd, and two 4ths so we'll call it a 1st, a 2nd, and a 4th for Tunsil that seems reasonable
 
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steelbtexan said:
McNabb is actually a pretty good comparison to Derrick.

Bottom line is Reid didn't start being talked about being a HOF HC until he drafted Mahomes
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Reid has always been considered one of the best, creative, offensive minds in football history. His problem and it's a valid criticism is that he gets too pass happy and abandons the run too soon. With Mahomes, no one criticizes him for throwing the ball deep on 3rd and short. Mahomes off script plays covers up many of Reid's mistakes or bad tendencies. Alex Smith inability to take chances, push the ball down the field and always looking to take the quick checkdown is the reason they drafted Mahomes. They realized that he reached his ceiling and they would never take the next step with him.

As far as BOB, Derrick and BOB's flexibility. Does anyone remember the offense BOB ran during Watson's rookie season? It reminds me of Hurts' production this year. Just explosive plays all over the field. If Watson doesn't get hurt, I really think they would have made a deep playoff run. However, in the offseason, BOB changed the offense and returned to his ED offense. We never saw that offense again. After defenses adjust, it will be interesting to see if the Eagles' offense is sustainable.

Don't get me wrong. Listening to Watson during his post game interviews, BOB did a great job teaching him about NFL defenses. I think BOB is a great teacher, QB coach. But as an offensive mind, Reid and Shanahan runs circles around him.
 
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Earl34 said:
Reid has always been considered one of the best, creative, offensive minds in football history. His problem and it's a valid criticism is that he gets too pass happy and abandons the run too soon. With Mahomes, no one criticizes him for throwing the ball deep on 3rd and short. Mahomes off script plays covers up many of Reid's mistakes or bad tendencies. Alex Smith inability to take chances, push the ball down the field and always looking to take the quick checkdown is the reason they drafted Mahomes. They realized that he reached his ceiling and they would never take the next step with him.

As far as BOB, Derrick and BOB's flexibility. Does anyone remember the offense BOB ran during Watson's rookie season? It reminds me of Hurts' production this year. Just explosive plays all over the field. If Watson doesn't get hurt, I really think they would have made a deep playoff run. However, in the offseason, BOB changed the offense and returned to his ED offense. We never saw that offense again. After defenses adjust, it will be interesting to see if the Eagles' offense is sustainable.

Don't get me wrong. Listening to Watson during his post game interviews, BOB did a great job teaching him about NFL defenses. I think BOB is a great teacher, QB coach. But as an offensive mind, Reid and Shanahan runs circles around him.
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Well said. Well said.
 
sandman said:
Reid just didn't get to a Super Bowl with Philly. He went to four straight NFC Championships and five total in 8 years. We would build a freaking statue for any Texans HC that could do that.
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Exactly! Many media and fans felt Reid needed a Super Bowl win to validate his greatness. But the guy was a great coach before Mahomes. It's a perfect football marriage between Mahomes and Reid. What's funny is the same fans who would not have moved up for Mahomes are the same fans who think you can drop him on any NFL team and he would be Patrick Mahomes. Hell, put him with BOB or in Chicago and we might be calling him Patty Mahomes.
 
Earl34 said:
Reid has always been considered one of the best, creative, offensive minds in football history. His problem and it's a valid criticism is that he gets too pass happy and abandons the run too soon. With Mahomes, no one criticizes him for throwing the ball deep on 3rd and short. Mahomes off script plays covers up many of Reid's mistakes or bad tendencies. Alex Smith inability to take chances, push the ball down the field and always looking to take the quick checkdown is the reason they drafted Mahomes. They realized that he reached his ceiling and they would never take the next step with him.

As far as BOB, Derrick and BOB's flexibility. Does anyone remember the offense BOB ran during Watson's rookie season? It reminds me of Hurts' production this year. Just explosive plays all over the field. If Watson doesn't get hurt, I really think they would have made a deep playoff run. However, in the offseason, BOB changed the offense and returned to his ED offense. We never saw that offense again. After defenses adjust, it will be interesting to see if the Eagles' offense is sustainable.

Don't get me wrong. Listening to Watson during his post game interviews, BOB did a great job teaching him about NFL defenses. I think BOB is a great teacher, QB coach. But as an offensive mind, Reid and Shanahan runs circles around him.
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I always thought OB’s best coaching was done when he had to scrap his original plan and come up with something on the fly. He too often got cute and outsmarted himself.

EX: Keenum deer stand game.

WD40 coming in for Savage rookie season and having to adjust offense for not having a slow processing statue at QB.
 
TheRealJoker said:
I always thought OB’s best coaching was done when he had to scrap his original plan and come up with something on the fly. He too often got cute and outsmarted himself.

EX: Keenum deer stand game.

WD40 coming in for Savage rookie season and having to adjust offense for not having a slow processing statue at QB.
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Yep. OB wanted it to be about the system so badly, but it was when he pivoted out of necessity he was a much better coach. But he had him a Stage 4 terminal case of the Belichicks.
 
Earl34 said:
Reid has always been considered one of the best, creative, offensive minds in football history. His problem and it's a valid criticism is that he gets too pass happy and abandons the run too soon. With Mahomes, no one criticizes him for throwing the ball deep on 3rd and short. Mahomes off script plays covers up many of Reid's mistakes or bad tendencies. Alex Smith inability to take chances, push the ball down the field and always looking to take the quick checkdown is the reason they drafted Mahomes. They realized that he reached his ceiling and they would never take the next step with him.

As far as BOB, Derrick and BOB's flexibility. Does anyone remember the offense BOB ran during Watson's rookie season? It reminds me of Hurts' production this year. Just explosive plays all over the field. If Watson doesn't get hurt, I really think they would have made a deep playoff run. However, in the offseason, BOB changed the offense and returned to his ED offense. We never saw that offense again. After defenses adjust, it will be interesting to see if the Eagles' offense is sustainable.

Don't get me wrong. Listening to Watson during his post game interviews, BOB did a great job teaching him about NFL defenses. I think BOB is a great teacher, QB coach. But as an offensive mind, Reid and Shanahan runs circles around him.
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The reason he changed the offense was because Derrick tore his ACL in the offense we liked.

Agreed with the last sentence. But BOB was a really good QB coach in a QB friendly system.
 
steelbtexan said:
If you want a tailback that plays QB he's your guy. If you want a QB that can read defenses, not so much.
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So Steel if you are right then I'm expecting the Bears to use that #1 overall and get a QB who's mainly about the forward pass,
and get what they can & cut their losses on Justin Fields.
 
IDEXAN said:
So Steel if you are right then I'm expecting the Bears to use that #1 overall and get a QB who's mainly about the forward pass,
and get what they can & cut their losses on Justin Fields.
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I would cut my losses.

Poles wont because he sees potential in Fields.

I'm betting Fields never sniffs a championship.
 
JB said:
And he would be like the majority on NFL QB's... very few sniff a championship in the NFL. You would be calling Herbert a bust because he hasn't sniffed a championship
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Difference is Herbert has the ability to win a championship. Fields doesn't. IMHO
 
Just for the sake of this conversation…..the NFL better hope like hail that RB- Bijan Robinson (Texas) is off the board by the time the Chiefs pick in RD1. If the Chiefs were to have Robinson and Pacheco in the backfield it could be a while before any other team in the NFL holds that Lombardi Trophy.
 
Having hired a new HC, the Texans can begin their off season workouts on April 3. Does anyone have an idea what can and can't be done?

If we will be bringing in a WCO with a ZB scheme, will they be able to do enough to help them decide, prior to the draft at the end of the month, who needs to be upgraded or replaced on the OL?
 
Well we're not too far off from some decent off season action.


Feb. 21-March 7: Teams may use the franchise or transition tag on impending unrestricted free agents.

Feb. 28-March 6: NFL Scouting Combine (Indianapolis)

March 7: Colleges may begin hosting pro days.

March 13 (noon) through March 15 (3:59 p.m.): Clubs may enter contract negotiations with impending unrestricted free agents. Contracts may not be executed until the start of the new league year at 4 p.m. on March 15.

March 15 (prior to 4 p.m.): Clubs must submit qualifying offers to restricted free agents. If a qualifying offer is not extended, those players will become unrestricted free agents at the start of the new league year.

March 15 (prior to 4 p.m.): All teams must be under the 2023 salary cap.

March 15 (4 p.m.): The 2023 NFL league year begins. Unrestricted free agent contracts and trades agreed to prior to the start of the new league year can be executed
 
Number19 said:
Having hired a new HC, the Texans can begin their off season workouts on April 3. Does anyone have an idea what can and can't be done?

If we will be bringing in a WCO with a ZB scheme, will they be able to do enough to help them decide, prior to the draft at the end of the month, who needs to be upgraded or replaced on the OL?
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The offseason programs are in three phases
Phase 1: first two weeks of the program limited to meetings, strength and conditioning, and physical rehab
Phase 2: three weeks of on-field workouts, individual and group instruction, drills, but no live contact or team offense vs. team defense drills.
Phase 3: four weeks with 10 days of organized team activities, with no live contact, but 7-on-7, 9-on-9, and 11-on-11 drills are allowed.

Teams with a new head coach get a head start with an additional voluntary veteran minicamp which takes place prior to the NFL Draft, but no earlier than Week 3 of the offseason workout and after at least one week of the two weeks of Phase 1.
 
Texansballer74 said:
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My first thoughts:

OFFENSE
OL- 2 Picks
Sign C- Jake Brendel (49'ers)
Draft C- John Michael-Schmitz (Minnesota)
Draft G- Cody Mauch (North Dakota State)
or
Draft G- Steve Avila (TCU)

RB- 1 Pick
Draft RB- Zach Charbonnet (UCLA)
and/or
Draft RB- Sean Tucker (Syracuse)

WR- 2 Picks
Trade WR- Nico Collins to the Jets for WR- Denzel Mims. Nico hasn't been healthy and Mims hasn't been a fit for the Jets. Both could use a new start. Both are still on their rookie contract's. Jets get a big possession receiver they need and the Texans get a big, fast outside threat they really need.

Trade WR- Brandon Cooks and his contract for a RD2 or RD3 pick. A pick in either round would be good for the Texans.

Draft WR- Quentin Johnston (TCU)
or
Draft WR- Jalin Hyatt (Tennessee)
and/or
Draft WR- Nathaniel "Tank" Dell (Houston)

QB- 1 Pick
Sign QB- Jimmy Garoppolo (49'ers)
Draft QB- Hendon Hooker (Tennessee)

That would be 6-7 picks reserved for the offense.
 
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OptimisticTexan said:
My first thoughts:

OFFENSE
OL- 2 Picks
Sign C- Jake Brendel (49'ers)
Draft C- John Michael-Schmitz (Minnesota)
Draft G- Cody Mauch (North Dakota State)
or
Draft G- Steve Avila (TCU)

RB- 1 Pick
Draft RB- Zach Charbonnet (UCLA)
and/or
Draft RB- Sean Tucker (Syracuse)

WR- 2 Picks
Trade WR- Nico Collins to the Jets for WR- Denzel Mims. Nico hasn't been healthy and Mims hasn't been a fit for the Jets. Both could use a new start. Both are still on their rookie contract's. Jets get a big possession they need and the Texans get a big, fast outside threat they really need.

Trade WR- Brandon Cooks and his contract for a RD2 or RD3 pick. A pick in either round would be good for the Texans.

Draft WR- Quentin Johnston (TCU)
or
Draft WR- Jalin Hyatt (Tennessee)
and/or
Draft WR- Nathaniel "Tank" Dell (Houston)

QB- 1 Pick
Sign QB- Jimmy Garoppolo (49'ers)
Draft QB- Hendon Hooker (Tennessee)

That would be 6-7 picks reserved for the offense.
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Interesting trade in Nico Collins (FA after 2024) for Denzel Mims (FA after 2023). In your scenario who would be the choice at 1.2? Big no no for me on Jimmy G, let him take his services and IR time to the Saints or Buccaneers
 
sandman said:
Reid just didn't get to a Super Bowl with Philly. He went to four straight NFC Championships and five total in 8 years. We would build a freaking statue for any Texans HC that could do that.
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The Eagles went to the Super Bowl under Reid in 2004 (Super Bowl XXXIX) where they lost to the Patriots. Reid has been to 4 Superbowls total & is one of the few HCs to take 2 different teams to the Super Bowl

He is also number 5 on the all time most wins list. He will probably pass Tom Landry in wins next season.
1. Don Shula 328-156-6
2. George Halas 318-148-31
3. Bill Belichick 298-152-0
4. Tom Landry 250-162-6
5. Andy Reid 247-138-1

There is no doubt in my mind that Andy Reid is a hall of fame coach.
 
KoolAid Sipper said:
Interesting trade in Nico Collins (FA after 2024) for Denzel Mims (FA after 2023). In your scenario who would be the choice at 1.2? Big no no for me on Jimmy G, let him take his services and IR time to the Saints or Buccaneers
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I’m not counting on Jimmy G finishing an entire season. What I would be counting on, Jimmy G helping both Mills and Hooker (If selected) master Slowik’s WCO sooner rather than later.

I’m taking DL- Jalen Carter (Georgia) or OLB- Will Anderson, Jr (Alabama)…..if I’m staying in the 2 spot. I still believe the Texans fortunes are waiting for them in RD2 and RD3 which means I wouldn’t hesitate to trade the pick for the right package of picks.

I’d take WR- Quentin Johnston (TCU) at number 12 if he’s still on the board. Could you imagine a tandem of Johnston and Mims with Metchie and Dell working the 3 slot and/or SWR spot.
 
steelbtexan said:
You don't know this.

Mahomes took over a talented 11-12 win team.

In other words, Reid built out his team, then got his QB.
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You'll never get an objective perspective about O'Brien the coach. Butthurt reigns supreme.

Funny thing is, though, two of the arguably greatest coaches in college and NFL history (Saban and Belichick) give O'Brien the important jobs of running their offenses. Go figure.
 
mws said:
Most of my family is originally from Tuscaloosa Alabama. I lived there until I was 3. I can tell you that all my family still there was dancing in the street when O'Brien left & they don't even have a history with him like us Houstonians do.
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They were also dancing in the streets at Penn St when he left there. One reason why I thought he was a bad hire for Houston.
 
Double Barrel said:
You'll never get an objective perspective about O'Brien the coach. Butthurt reigns supreme.
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Funny thing is, though, two of the arguably greatest coaches in college and NFL history (Saban and Belichick) give O'Brien the important jobs of running their offenses. Go figure.
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Butthurt my ass. Wait..... Ah, I see what I did there.

All I know is what his offense looked like while he was here. Multiple receivers in the same place, no one in the middle of the field, leaving few options for a QB to go to, rarely creating mismatches if ever, and never taking advantage of players strengths. That’s because he was a horrible talent evaluator which became more evident when he was GM.

His offense never ranked higher than 16th until he got Watson and then it only got to 13th. 3 times that offense was higher than 16th in points scored with 11th being the best that got.

As for Belichick and Saban, well as far as Alabama is concerned, they went from scoring 47 and 48 points per game in the 2 seasons prior to OB’s arrival to 39 and 41 points per game with him there. Yeah that’s still quite a bit but we’re talking one of the top schools getting the best athletes in the country. You almost can’t fail there.

So if all of that is butthurt then so be it. Dude is an average at best coach, and you’ve got to work really hard arguing that he’s that good IMO.
 
Speedy said:
Butthurt my ass. Wait..... Ah, I see what I did there.

All I know is what his offense looked like while he was here. Multiple receivers in the same place, no one in the middle of the field, leaving few options for a QB to go to, rarely creating mismatches if ever, and never taking advantage of players strengths. That’s because he was a horrible talent evaluator which became more evident when he was GM.

His offense never ranked higher than 16th until he got Watson and then it only got to 13th. 3 times that offense was higher than 16th in points scored with 11th being the best that got.

As for Belichick and Saban, well as far as Alabama is concerned, they went from scoring 47 and 48 points per game in the 2 seasons prior to OB’s arrival to 39 and 41 points per game with him there. Yeah that’s still quite a bit but we’re talking one of the top schools getting the best athletes in the country. You almost can’t fail there.

So if all of that is butthurt then so be it. Dude is an average at best coach, and you’ve got to work really hard arguing that he’s that good IMO.
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What's his record?

Let the excuses begin.

He was an avg HC that worked with QB's well. Real simple and certainly not championship quality.
 
Just to put it in perspective both Jeff Fisher & Jason Garrett had better records in the regular season & the playoffs.

Bill O'Brien (Texans)
Season: 52-48-0 .520
Playoffs: 2-4 .333

Jeff Fisher (Oilers\Titans)
Season: 142-120-0 .542
Playoffs: 5-6 .455

Jason Garrett (Cowboys)
Season: 85-67-0 .559
Playoffs: 2-3 .400
 
Speedy said:
So if all of that is butthurt then so be it. Dude is an average at best coach, and you’ve got to work really hard arguing that he’s that good IMO.
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I don't think anyone is arguing anything other than average coach. Horrible, horrible GM. But average coach. But he did get a job at Coach Rehab U and Belicheck hired him for a second time. I do put some weight on the football opinions of Saban and Belichick more than most posters here. No offense to anyone in particular.
 
Double Barrel said:
You'll never get an objective perspective about O'Brien the coach. Butthurt reigns supreme.

Funny thing is, though, two of the arguably greatest coaches in college and NFL history (Saban and Belichick) give O'Brien the important jobs of running their offenses. Go figure.
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Isn't that the point? Hiring him as an OC to run their offenses is totally different from a HC calling plays? Don't you think Saban and Belichick are also keeping him from his worst tendencies? Who was doing that with the Texans?

It isn't butthurt to understand that when he is the HC, OC, play caller, and Grand Poobah of an organization that those roles affect his ability to be a good OC and it takes away from his strengths as a good QB coach and teacher.
 
mws said:
Just to put it in perspective both Jeff Fisher & Jason Garrett had better records in the regular season & the playoffs.

Bill O'Brien (Texans)
Season: 52-48-0 .520
Playoffs: 2-4 .333

Jeff Fisher (Oilers\Titans)
Season: 142-120-0 .542
Playoffs: 5-6 .455

Jason Garrett (Cowboys)
Season: 85-67-0 .559
Playoffs: 2-3 .400
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I feel like I am being forced to defend OB here, which I have no energy to do, but there is a significant sample size difference between all three of these coaches. Sometimes a single number doesn't tell the whole story.

OB coached 6 full seasons, having a .541 winning percentage, a winning record in 5 of those seasons, and making the playoffs four out of the six seasons.

Fisher coached 16 full seasons, having .542 winning percentage, a winning record in 6 of those seasons, and making the playoffs six out of the 16 seasons.

To dig a little deeper into Fisher, over a five year span from 1999-2003, he was 56-24 winning at a .700 clip, making the playoffs four out of the five seasons with a Super Bowl appearance. The other 11 seasons outside of this 5-year range he was at .472 with only two winning seasons and two playoff appearances.

Let's also not forget his time as the Rams coach for 4 full seasons where he had a .414 winning percentage, no winning records and no playoffs, putting his entire coaching winning percentage at .512 with more losing seasons than winning seasons.

Garret coached 9 full seasons, having a .555 winning percentage, a winning record in 4 of those seasons, and making the playoffs three out the nine seasons. He was the absolute king of the 8-8 season.

OB (Texans) with 5 winning seasons in 6 years and four playoff appearances, Fisher (Oilers/Titans) with 6 winning seasons in 16 years and six playoff appearances, Garrett (Cowboys) with four winning seasons in 9 years and three playoff appearances.

Average? Mediocre? It's a good description for all three. They all had a 4-12 season on their resume. But as a percentage of seasons above .500, OB was better than both. I would give Fisher the overall nod ONLY because he had a Super Bowl appearance, but outside of that 5-year period he was trash.
 
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