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Texian said:
It's a difference in GM's mindset. Some GMs know how to manage the Salary Cap, and some GMs do not.
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Tell me more about this GM mindset?

Since Cooks screwed them over they should cut everybody not on their rookie deals and get as many picks as possible? Is this the mindset you're talking about? If so I disagree with you.
 
steelbtexan said:
Also how much cap space would be acceptable for you?
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I would be happy with someone who is fiscally responsible and knows how to manage the Salary Cap. If the Texans had that, the Salary Cap would never be a problem, and the team would have better players. For the same reason the Chiefs traded Tyreek Hill, the Texans need to trade Laremy Tunsil. You do know why the Chiefs traded Hill, right?
 
steelbtexan said:
Tell me more about this GM mindset?

Since Cooks screwed them over they should cut everybody not on their rookie deals and get as many picks as possible? Is this the mindset you're talking about? If so I disagree with you.
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You do know that because DeMeco is going to have to clean house, the last 2 years have been all for naught, right? And Cal thought it a good idea to keep the architect from those last 2 years. The Texans are back to starting at square one. This kind of mindset of what not to do is what I'm talking about.

It's as if 2021 and 2022 never happened. If they did not screw around with Cooks contract, he would be gone. And no this is not Monday Morning QBing, I was calling for the Texans to trade Cooks before the start of the 2021 season.

This is a fiscally responsible money management mindset:

Texans started the 2021 season with 54 contracts and $6MM OVER the cap.

If the Texans had made the following moves they would've been $48MM UNDER the cap. They would not of had to resort to mortgaging the future to the tune of OVER $35MM in contract restructuring, $37MM in Dead Cap in 2021 and would've added a 2nd rd draft pick.
B. McKinneyRelease$7.00m
D. JohnsonRelease$6.90m
Z. FultonRelease$3.00m
Du. JohnsonRelease$5.15m
B. DunnRelease$3.25m
B. CooksTrade$12.00m
J. WattRelease$17.50m
Total Saved$54.80m

Restructuring every contract that could be restructured in order to sign a bunch of over-the-hill players to one-year contracts on the way to creating over $50MM in dead money is not sound money management or the mindset of a GM that knows what he's doing or has any idea how to manage a Salary Cap.
 
Texian said:
I would be happy with someone who is fiscally responsible and knows how to manage the Salary Cap. If the Texans had that, the Salary Cap would never be a problem, and the team would have better players. For the same reason the Chiefs traded Tyreek Hill, the Texans need to trade Laremy Tunsil. You do know why the Chiefs traded Hill, right?
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By following your recommendation then the Texans would create 16 million of additional dead cap space. That is the same thing you are saying Caserio did that makes him fiscally irresponsible?

It is 6 in one hand and half a dozen in the other.
 
Unless I'm reading it wrong the Texans have only 26 players under contract in 2024 and $187mil cap space. And only six of those players are over the age of 26.
At least according to overthecap.com.

Certainly FA signed this year can have contracts structures to leverage that cap space.
That a lot of GD money I don't care who you are or what your agenda is
 
Texian said:
You do know that because DeMeco is going to have to clean house, the last 2 years have been all for naught, right? And Cal thought it a good idea to keep the architect from those last 2 years. The Texans are back to starting at square one. This kind of mindset of what not to do is what I'm talking about.

It's as if 2021 and 2022 never happened. If they did not screw around with Cooks contract, he would be gone. And no this is not Monday Morning QBing, I was calling for the Texans to trade Cooks before the start of the 2021 season.
Last I read
This is a fiscally responsible money management mindset:

Texans started the 2021 season with 54 contracts and $6MM OVER the cap.

If the Texans had made the following moves they would've been $48MM UNDER the cap. They would not of had to resort to mortgaging the future to the tune of OVER $35MM in contract restructuring, $37MM in Dead Cap in 2021 and would've added a 2nd rd draft pick.
B. McKinneyRelease$7.00m
D. JohnsonRelease$6.90m
Z. FultonRelease$3.00m
Du. JohnsonRelease$5.15m
B. DunnRelease$3.25m
B. CooksTrade$12.00m
J. WattRelease$17.50m
Total Saved$54.80m

Restructuring every contract that could be restructured in order to sign a bunch of over-the-hill players to one-year contracts on the way to creating over $50MM in dead money is not sound money management or the mindset of a GM that knows what he's doing or has any idea how to manage a Salary Cap.
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Last I read the Texans had the 7th most cap space in the league with the ability to create 30 mil more if needed.

I see your in the trade all of the rookies and everybody else since the last 2 years have been for naught.

Let's trade everybody and start with 200 mil in cap space and play a bunch of udfa's next yr. Heck trade off all of this yrs draft picks too so Ryans will be perfectly positioned for the 2024 draft in your mind.
 
michaelm said:
@Texian, I agree that the Cooks contract wasn't a good one. And really not necessary.

But I'd like you to factor in the 2024 cap and tell me Caserio didn't setup it up well.
Looks like a clean slate especially with Cooks off the books.
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He did not set it up well. Next year (2024) he has less than half of a roster. That alone suggests a major failure to plan. The Texans have had 22 draft picks in the last 2 years. Clearly, they have not drafted well either to only have 24 players on the roster in 2024.
 
steelbtexan said:
Last I read the Texans had the 7th most cap space in the league with the ability to create 30 mil more if needed.

I see your in the trade all of the rookies and everybody else since the last 2 years have been for naught.

Let's trade everybody and start with 200 mil in cap space and play a bunch of udfa's next yr. Heck trade off all of this yrs draft picks too so Ryans will be perfectly positioned for the 2024 draft in your mind.
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You do know why the Chiefs traded Hill, and why the Texans cannot trade Cooks, right?
 
steelbtexan said:
If Ryan's/Caserio can't build championship team with 60 mil to work with and all of the draft picks, then this team is so screwed.
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Agreed. I wish they had $60M to work with. Not that they could free up $60M... regardless how "easily" they could do it.
 
vtech9 said:
I try, but I just can't handle Clint Stoerner for very long. Not a big fan of Ron "The Show" either.
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yep on same page as you however I review most folks input regardless of agreement or thinking them a doofus. I review PFF.com; bleacher report; Walters and SBnation for tidbits but would not put a dime in on their mocks. When I'm in my car I flip channels and search for nuggets that may lead me to say "I sure as heck wouldn't do that but.."
 
vtech9 said:
I usually either turn it off, or flip over to 97.5 for the Wheelhouse. Usually, I just turn it off though.
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I don't know why but when I go to 97.5 it is commercial break or "let's not talk about sports, today". Years ago all Houston channels went to announcers thinking they were why I listen. McClain was an example as i enjoy his stories but not so much his football stuff. He's another example of someone I exchange emails with hoping to find a gold nugget in dirty water.
 
badboy said:
yep on same page as you however I review most folks input regardless of agreement or thinking them a doofus. I review PFF.com; bleacher report; Walters and SBnation for tidbits but would not put a dime in on their mocks. When I'm in my car I flip channels and search for nuggets that may lead me to say "I sure as heck wouldn't do that but.."
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Yeah, and the dumbasses on the Wheelhouse that make stupid comments like "DeMeco wouldn't have taken the Texans HC job if the Texans didn't agree to take a QB with the #2 pick."
 
Texian said:
I would be happy with someone who is fiscally responsible and knows how to manage the Salary Cap. If the Texans had that, the Salary Cap would never be a problem, and the team would have better players. For the same reason the Chiefs traded Tyreek Hill, the Texans need to trade Laremy Tunsil. You do know why the Chiefs traded Hill, right?
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Not to bunny trail from your back and forth but has any mention of whom will be our cap guru? Caserio, I presume?
 
Texian said:
I would be happy with someone who is fiscally responsible and knows how to manage the Salary Cap. If the Texans had that, the Salary Cap would never be a problem, and the team would have better players. For the same reason the Chiefs traded Tyreek Hill, the Texans need to trade Laremy Tunsil. You do know why the Chiefs traded Hill, right?
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Because they were not going to pay Hill 20 million+ per season. Devante Adams reset the market. The Chiefs knew they could not resign Hill the next year so they traded him. Do you know why the Texans didn't trade Cooks before his latest contract?
 
titanswire.usatoday.com

This quote from Davis Mills gives more insight into Tim Kelly's offense

A 2022 quote from Texans QB Davis Mills helps shed light on what Titans OC Tim Kelly’s offense will ask of a quarterback pre-snap.
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“[Tim Kelly’s offense is] completely quarterback-driven pre-snap and the big focus from Pep when he stepped in this role was he wants to take as much off the quarterback as he can so we can play fast,” Mills said. “Obviously, we have a lot of control in making sure we’re in the correct protection and the correct mike point, basically confirming or changing anything, but the center does the initial point and making the initial calls. So, that takes a lot off my plate, especially in the run game. We can go out there and play fast when the center is pointing it.”
 
badboy said:
Not to bunny trail from your back and forth but has any mention of whom will be our cap guru? Caserio, I presume?
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I haven't heard if this has changed. I have noticed in the Behind the Scenes segment by the Texans that Greg Grissom is escorting DeMeco around to all of the departments to meet all of the Texans employees. Caserio is nowhere to be seen. This may be a question for @CloakNNNdagger and @Corrosion.

BTW Chris Olsen was Senior Vice President of Football Administration and that position has not been filled. Andrew Brown is the Director of Football Administration and his expertise is in financial planning and budget analysis.
 
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Texian said:
I haven't heard if this has changed. I have noticed in the Behind the Scenes segment by the Texans that Greg Grissom is escorting DeMeco around to all of the departments to meet all of the Texans employees. Caserio is nowhere to be found. This may be a question for @CloakNNNdagger and @Corrosion.
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Why would Caserio showing Demeco around matter?

He is a file clerk not a tour guide.
 
Texian said:
I would be happy with someone who is fiscally responsible and knows how to manage the Salary Cap. If the Texans had that, the Salary Cap would never be a problem, and the team would have better players. For the same reason the Chiefs traded Tyreek Hill, the Texans need to trade Laremy Tunsil. You do know why the Chiefs traded Hill, right?
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Trying to use the Chiefs as a template nowadays is the same thing as the Patriots way of the past. It's an illusion. The Patriots way was always Brady and the Chiefs way is Mahomes.

The Chiefs were able to trade away a key offensive piece and Mahomes still had an MVP season and got them the #1 seed despite having a below average WR corps and an average defense. He's a cheat code and that's not replicable. You can't expect to trade away your best players and come out of the other side unscathed it's insanity.
 
Khelar said:
Trying to use the Chiefs as a template nowadays is the same thing as the Patriots way of the past. It's an illusion. The Patriots way was always Brady and the Chiefs way is Mahomes.

The Chiefs were able to trade away a key offensive piece and Mahomes still had an MVP season and got them the #1 seed despite having a below average WR corps and an average defense. He's a cheat code and that's not replicable. You can't expect to trade away your best players and come out of the other side unscathed it's insanity.
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The reason the Chiefs traded Tyreek Hill had nothing to do with Patrick Mahomes, Tom Brady, or the Patriot Way. In fact, the Chiefs were in active negotiation with Drew Rosenhaus to resign Hill to a long-term contract. So what happened? During the process of negotiation, the Packers traded Davante Adams to the Las Vegas Raiders and his new Raider contract reset the WR market at stratosphere levels. When GM Brett Veach didn't hear back from Rosenhaus for four days he knew why.

Veach told HC Andy Reid about the Adams new contract and the resetting of the WR market. The Chiefs thought they were going to resign Hill to an $18MM to $20MM a year long-term contract and now knew that would be a $30 million a year deal. Veach told Reid about the new pricing, and their salary cap could not absorb that salary and they needed to trade Hill instead of resigning him. Reid reluctantly agreed. So the Chiefs traded Hill for 5 draft picks, one they used to draft Sky Moore who had a receiving TD in the Super Bowl.

You can't expect to trade away your best players and come out of the other side unscathed it's insanity.
This is exactly what the Chiefs did. This was nothing more than a prudent responsible salary cap management decision. The Texans could learn from the Chiefs and their prudent responsible salary cap management in their decisions regarding Laremy Tunsil. This is something that is foreign to Nick Caserio and a process he knows nothing about. The below interview suggests a good reason why Cal should be interested in hiring the Chiefs' assistant GM, Mike Borgonzi to replace Nick Caserio. BTW the Chiefs have the youngest roster in the NFL.

32 teams have to manage their salary cap. Some do it very well, like the Chiefs. Some do it very badly like the Texans. That's what this is about, nothing else. Watch the entire video, if you can, and you will learn something.

 
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Texian said:
The reason the Chiefs traded Tyreek Hill had nothing to do with Patrick Mahomes, Tom Brady, or the Patriot Way. In fact, the Chiefs were in active negotiation with Drew Rosenhaus to resign Hill to a long-term contract. So what happened? During the process of negotiation, the Packers traded Davante Adams to the Las Vegas Raiders and his new Raider contract reset the WR market at stratosphere levels. When GM Brett Veach didn't hear back from Rosenhaus for four days he knew why.

Veach told HC Andy Reid about the Adams new contract and the resetting of the WR market. The Chiefs thought they were going to resign Hill to an $18MM to $20MM a year long-term contract and now knew that would be a $30 million a year deal. Veach told Reid about the new pricing, and their salary cap could not absorb that salary and they needed to trade Hill instead of resigning him. Reid reluctantly agreed. So the Chiefs traded Hill for 5 draft picks, one they used to draft Sky Moore who had a receiving TD in the Super Bowl.

You can't expect to trade away your best players and come out of the other side unscathed it's insanity.
This is exactly what the Chiefs did. This was nothing more than a prudent responsible salary cap management decision. The Texans could learn from the Chiefs and their prudent responsible salary cap management in their decisions regarding Laremy Tunsil. This is something that is foreign to Nick Caserio and a process he knows nothing about. The below interview suggests a good reason why Cal should be interested in hiring the Chiefs' assistant GM, Mike Borgonzi to replace Nick Caserio. BTW the Chiefs have the youngest roster in the NFL.

32 teams have to manage their salary cap. Some do it very well, like the Chiefs. Some do it very badly like the Texans. That's what this is about, nothing else. Watch the entire video, if you can, and you will learn something.

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You missed the point by a mile. I'm not saying the Chiefs traded Hill due to Mahomes. I'm saying Mahomes lets them get away with stuff like that. Same thing with the unscathed comment. You can't do stuff like that and expect to not take a step backwards without the Mahomes cheat code is my point. They traded Hill and so far the only thing they've gotten from it is McDuffie. He had a good rookie season but not exactly an equal trade. Other aspect is cap space, they were strapped for it, we aren't and it's not like we have many big paydays we need to meet coming up.

The other aspect of it is they can make the bet that Mahomes can still lead a top tier offense without him. Do you think we have a realistic shot at having a good offensive line for our rookie QB without Tunsil? I don't. Do you think whatever rookie QB we have will have a realistic shot at developing without a decent oline? I wouldn't make that bet either.

The circumstances are just so different it's ridiculous to try and use the Tyreek hill trade as a barometer.
 
Khelar said:
You missed the point by a mile. I'm not saying the Chiefs traded Hill due to Mahomes. I'm saying Mahomes lets them get away with stuff like that. Same thing with the unscathed comment. You can't do stuff like that and expect to not take a step backwards without the Mahomes cheat code is my point. They traded Hill and so far the only thing they've gotten from it is McDuffie. He had a good rookie season but not exactly an equal trade. Other aspect is cap space, they were strapped for it, we aren't and it's not like we have many big paydays we need to meet coming up.

The other aspect of it is they can make the bet that Mahomes can still lead a top tier offense without him. Do you think we have a realistic shot at having a good offensive line for our rookie QB without Tunsil? I don't. Do you think whatever rookie QB we have will have a realistic shot at developing without a decent oline? I wouldn't make that bet either.

The circumstances are just so different it's ridiculous to try and use the Tyreek hill trade as a barometer.
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:brickwall:

:coffee:
 
Khelar said:
You missed the point by a mile. I'm not saying the Chiefs traded Hill due to Mahomes. I'm saying Mahomes lets them get away with stuff like that. Same thing with the unscathed comment. You can't do stuff like that and expect to not take a step backwards without the Mahomes cheat code is my point. They traded Hill and so far the only thing they've gotten from it is McDuffie. He had a good rookie season but not exactly an equal trade. Other aspect is cap space, they were strapped for it, we aren't and it's not like we have many big paydays we need to meet coming up.

The other aspect of it is they can make the bet that Mahomes can still lead a top tier offense without him. Do you think we have a realistic shot at having a good offensive line for our rookie QB without Tunsil? I don't. Do you think whatever rookie QB we have will have a realistic shot at developing without a decent oline? I wouldn't make that bet either.

The circumstances are just so different it's ridiculous to try and use the Tyreek hill trade as a barometer.
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No they are not, salary cap management is salary cap management, the circumstances are exactly the same. Every team has the same cap number each year. There is no ridiculous difference.

I didn't miss your point but clearly, you missed mine. No offense but I'm going to go with Brett Veach's reasoning and explanation on this one.

Yes there is realistic chance to have a good OL if they used the #12 pick on Paris Johnson, Broderick Jones or Anton Harrison. By doing so that will free up enough money to sign another 4 or 5 long-term players. Trading Tunsil will also add high draft pick(s).

They should've used the #3 pick last year on Charles Cross. The OL would be even better if they had used the 2021 3rd RD pick on Quinn Meinerz (build from the inside out) instead of Davis Mills.
 
Texian said:
No they are not, salary cap management is salary cap management, the circumstances are exactly the same. Every team has the same cap number each year. There is no ridiculous difference.

I didn't miss your point but clearly, you missed mine. No offense but I'm going to go with Brett Veach's reasoning and explanation on this one.

Yes there is realistic chance to have a good OL if they used the #12 pick on Paris Johnson, Broderick Jones or Anton Harrison. By doing so that will free up enough money to sign another 4 or 5 long-term players. Trading Tunsil will also add high draft pick(s).

They should've used the #3 pick last year on Charles Cross. The OL would be even better if they had used the 2021 3rd RD pick on Quinn Meinerz (build from the inside out) instead of Davis Mills.
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Kinda feels like you're arguing in bad faith at this point. I know the numbers are the same but clearly the Texans and Chiefs are in very different circumstances read the post again it's not tough to figure out what I was saying I promise.

You absolutely did miss my point. Moves that work for the Chiefs wouldn't work for us. The Chiefs can replace a top 5 WR with two #2 WR's and not miss a beat because of their QB. Your plan is to replace a great LT with a rookie to block for your new rookie QB when we aren't even short on cap space. I'd call that foolishness
 
Khelar said:
Trying to use the Chiefs as a template nowadays is the same thing as the Patriots way of the past. It's an illusion. The Patriots way was always Brady and the Chiefs way is Mahomes.

The Chiefs were able to trade away a key offensive piece and Mahomes still had an MVP season and got them the #1 seed despite having a below average WR corps and an average defense. He's a cheat code and that's not replicable. You can't expect to trade away your best players and come out of the other side unscathed it's insanity.
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Andy Ried is a got darn beast as a coach. One of the greatest offensive minded coaches in NFL history.
 
Texansballer74 said:
Andy Ried is a got darn beast as a coach. One of the greatest offensive minded coaches in NFL history.
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Reid is successful b/c he’s not full of himself. He modifies his offense to his QB’s strengths and goes from there, instead of forcing his QB to alter their style. Like many have stated, had Mahomes been drafted by OB…..the Mahomes we see today would not be the same amazing QB under OB.
 
OptimisticTexan said:
Reid is successful b/c he’s not full of himself. He modifies his offense to his QB’s strengths and goes from there, instead of forcing his QB to alter their style. Like many have stated, had Mahomes been drafted by OB…..the Mahomes we see today would not be the same amazing QB under OB.
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Reid has his rings because he was willing to give up the extra 3rd to move up and get Mahomes. Reid didn't win anything in Philly with an above avg QB in McNabb or in K.C. with Smith.

Nobody knows what BOB would've done had RS given up the extra 3rd for Mahomes, although we all wish we could've had the chance to have found out.

How people feel about BOB the HC comes down to how much people think he had to do with Derrick's development and how good Derrick is to begin with. I think BOB did about as good a job as possible with a slightly above avg Derrick. I know I'm in the minority on this one. After all a QB doesn't lead the NFL in passing with poor coaching.

BOB the GM bleeds over into some people's opinions of his coaching. BOB was an avg HC who was good at working with QB's.
 
steelbtexan said:
Reid has his rings because he was willing to give up the extra 3rd to move up and get Mahomes. Reid didn't win anything in Philly with an above avg QB in McNabb or in K.C. with Smith.

Nobody knows what BOB would've done had RS given up the extra 3rd for Mahomes, although we all wish we could've had the chance to have found out.

How people feel about BOB the HC comes down to how much people think he had to do with Derrick's development and how good Derrick is to begin with. I think BOB did about as good a job as possible with a slightly above avg Derrick. I know I'm in the minority on this one. After all a QB doesn't lead the NFL in passing with poor coaching.

BOB the GM bleeds over into some people's opinions of his coaching. BOB was an avg HC who was good at working with QB's.
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Man, Reid got the Eagles to the Super Bowl. Reid’s offense gave McNabb all the opportunities to be a successful NFL QB. Reid has done an even better job in KC….and with Mahomes. As I stated eons ago, had Watson gone to KC with Reid at the helm, his success still would’ve been there. Watson to Tyreek Hill or Kelce would’ve been just as effective. This discussion is strictly related to the football field and not what transpired off the field.

OB should’ve never been a HC until he was confident enough to be a first time NFL HC without wearing 2 hats. OB probably would’ve made a bigger impact as a QB Coach in the NFL.
 
Khelar said:
Kinda feels like you're arguing in bad faith at this point. I know the numbers are the same but clearly the Texans and Chiefs are in very different circumstances read the post again it's not tough to figure out what I was saying I promise.

You absolutely did miss my point. Moves that work for the Chiefs wouldn't work for us. The Chiefs can replace a top 5 WR with two #2 WR's and not miss a beat because of their QB. Your plan is to replace a great LT with a rookie to block for your new rookie QB when we aren't even short on cap space. I'd call that foolishness
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Let me tell you a story.
 
OptimisticTexan said:
Reid is successful b/c he’s not full of himself. He modifies his offense to his QB’s strengths and goes from there, instead of forcing his QB to alter their style. Like many have stated, had Mahomes been drafted by OB…..the Mahomes we see today would not be the same amazing QB under OB.
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Nobody thought that when he had Alex Smith as his QB.
 
steelbtexan said:
Reid has his rings because he was willing to give up the extra 3rd to move up and get Mahomes. Reid didn't win anything in Philly with an above avg QB in McNabb or in K.C. with Smith.

Nobody knows what BOB would've done had RS given up the extra 3rd for Mahomes, although we all wish we could've had the chance to have found out.

How people feel about BOB the HC comes down to how much people think he had to do with Derrick's development and how good Derrick is to begin with. I think BOB did about as good a job as possible with a slightly above avg Derrick. I know I'm in the minority on this one. After all a QB doesn't lead the NFL in passing with poor coaching.

BOB the GM bleeds over into some people's opinions of his coaching. BOB was an avg HC who was good at working with QB's.
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Reality


steelbtexan said:
BOB the GM bleeds over into some people's opinions of his coaching. BOB was an avg HC who was good at working with QB's.
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im not following how you think this avg HC would have done as well or better with Mahomes the project than the two time SB Champion HOF coach.
 
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