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thunderkyss said:
I say this with all generosity.

The negativity was about Josh McCown as HC. Some were ok with McCown as OC with an offensive minded HC. Most were ok with McCown as QB coach.

You're complaining about quality control guys being promoted to position coaches. That's the normal progression.

Quality control is entry level. They're often promoted to position coach. Then coordinator. Then HC.
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You said it better than me!
 
Number19 said:
I didn't count the quality control years because I have no idea what quality control is. I guess it counts for something. He at least could listen and watch what the real coaches are coaching.

Remember all the negativity over Josh McCown's inexperience. This new Texans offensive coaching staff is not that much better.

As much as I like Young, I'm almost persuaded to now go for a defensive draft, trading down from #2 and #12 for draft capital.

I hope I'm wrong, but I'm not going to have much expectation this next season, offensively at least.
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It appears to be a very good/important steppingstone in a coach's career. If a coach shows promise in analyzing film, he gets promoted. Slowik has a 6-year relationship with Ryans. I'd call that a significant amount of time. Ryans is impressed enough with him to bring him to Houston.
Quality control coach - Wikipedia
 
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Number19 said:
Another extremely inexperienced hire. He's only been "coaching" for 3 years, 2 years as a quality control coach and 1 year as an assistant qb coach. We'll see, but I question this as a good hire.
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They've got experienced guys in Slowik and Kubiak.

Johnson is a bright young up and coming HC. If this goes like we hope it does, 10 yrs from now, Johnson will be a HC in the NFL.
 
Number19 said:
Remember all the negativity over Josh McCown's inexperience. This new Texans offensive coaching staff is not that much better.
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I don’t think you do remember. The job McCown was being interviewed for was head coach. Not QB coach. Not an assistant coach at any level. Head Coach. With zero coaching credentials. Not the same as anything you are referring to.
 
badboy said:
I am interested in firmer concept of what Strausser will have the oline in.
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You can check out his videos online if you're wanting to do a deep dive. He's a zone scheme guy, but there are videos of his clinics where he goes through his entire approach to OLine.
 
justtxyank22 said:
You can check out his videos online if you're wanting to do a deep dive. He's a zone scheme guy, but there are videos of his clinics where he goes through his entire approach to OLine.
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Yes aware but how will that align with over all scheme with our new QB? I am not sure I want a ZBS with any of the draft QBs.
 
badboy said:
Yes aware but how will that align with over all scheme with our new QB? I am not sure I want a ZBS with any of the draft QBs.
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So I'm not sure what you are asking. They are definitely moving to a zone scheme. Everyone they've hired is part of ZBS school. The Oline coach (tentative hire), the OC, the possible running game coordinator are all ZBS guys. We're going to be running a Kubiak/Shanahan offense.
 
justtxyank22 said:
So I'm not sure what you are asking. They are definitely moving to a zone scheme. Everyone they've hired is part of ZBS school. The Oline coach (tentative hire), the OC, the possible running game coordinator are all ZBS guys. We're going to be running a Kubiak/Shanahan offense.
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I think ZBS is not the best for any of those QBs as I posted. All should be pocket passers without having to follow the line. Young would be best in that scheme with my guy Hookers next.
 
badboy said:
I think ZBS is not the best for any of those QBs as I posted. All should be pocket passers without having to follow the line. Young would be best in that scheme with my guy Hookers next.
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I got it. I misunderstood and thought you were asking what the system was. You were stating your opinion that ZBS isn't good system for the QBs we might draft. That could be true, I haven't a clue. Don't watch CFB at all and don't know anything about any of these QBs beyond the quick write ups.
 
Texian said:
Concur, and WCO. Both are more than capable of running RPOs, bootlegs, and rollouts.
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Exactly. And it isnt as if every passing down will see the QB out of the pocket. Lots of pocket passing from the Shanny WCO. They just use that outside zone to set up the bootleg.

I do worry about our current linemen being a good fit for the ZBS, and its paramount to find an athletic center. I think Tunsil is nimble enough, but Im iffy on Howard and VERY iffy on Green. I guess Im iffy on Green in any scheme lol.

Pierce is gonna feast on the inside runs, and he should have enough speed to be effective outside as well. Im eager to see him next season.

Can Collins block? I did not pay attention, and have no idea if he was asked to do much. Definitely gonna need a big #1 target in the next couple of drafts. So many holes in this roster.
 
Porky said:
Stroud would be great in a well run ZB system imho. Young as well.
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Texian said:
Concur, and WCO. Both are more than capable of running RPOs, bootlegs, and rollouts.
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A well executed WCO requires a qb who is excellant at processing defensive reads. Everyone speaks of a qb going through his reads, but a WCO qb knows who should be the open receiver, or the receiver he is going to, based on his read of the defense.

The draft profiles I've read on Young indicates he is elite, or at least very good and above average, at processing.

How is Stroud's processing? I haven't seen it mentioned, much less as a positive or strong point. Stroud is a prototypical pocket passer who can go through his reads. I'm not sure how he would do in a WCO.
 
Number19 said:
A well executed WCO requires a qb who is excellant at processing defensive reads. Everyone speaks of a qb going through his reads, but a WCO qb knows who should be the open receiver, or the receiver he is going to, based on his read of the defense.

The draft profiles I've read on Young indicates he is elite, or at least very good and above average, at processing.

How is Stroud's processing? I haven't seen it mentioned, much less as a positive or strong point. Stroud is a prototypical pocket passer who can go through his reads. I'm not sure how he would do in a WCO.
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We can make stats what we want them to say, but noticed this for the 2022 season:

Young had 33% of his completions to his top 2 receivers, while Stroud had 60% to his top 2 receivers.

Alabama had 6 receivers with 25-45 receptions and another 3 between 10-20. OSU had two with 75 each and another 2 with 35 each then drop off to almost nothing.

Did Young read the defense better and take advantage of what they gave him? Did Stroud rely on his first reads too much? (i.e. - the ol' Watson-DHop combo?) Where the OSU WR1/2 just that much better that what they had at Alabama? Or did the schemes they played in drive those stats?
 
Number19 said:
Shanny WCO? I know the WCO as originally designed by Bill Walsh. I also have read that the scheme has evolved. I'd like to know more how it is run by Kyle Shanahan.
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I dont think the Shanny system is a true WCO, but my understanding is that the verbiage is similar (which may have changed over time).

As I think you are alluding in your post, they have fundamentally different doctrines. Shanahan uses inside/outside zone runs that set up chunk passing plays vs. the Walsh WCO using short passing game as an extension of the run. Maybe we should just call it the Shanny Offense...or the Mile High Offense??? Im sure Kyle Shanahan has evolved his own version.
 
Number19 said:
Shanny WCO? I know the WCO as originally designed by Bill Walsh.
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frethack said:
As I think you are alluding in your post, they have fundamentally different doctrines. Shanahan uses inside/outside zone runs that set up chunk passing plays vs. the Walsh WCO using short passing game as an extension of the run.
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That's exactly right. The original WCO in Cincinnati and San Fran ran out of a split backfield with a fullback and halfback. The modern WCO is run with a single back, or a tailback 7 yards behind the LOS and a fullback in front, often offset. Defenses became so fast that it took that extra RB too long to get into his route. Also, the tailback directly behind the QB allowed the direction of the run plays to be more easily concealed prior to the play. No more split backfields.
 
frethack said:
I dont think the Shanny system is a true WCO, but my understanding is that the verbiage is similar (which may have changed over time).

As I think you are alluding in your post, they have fundamentally different doctrines. Shanahan uses inside/outside zone runs that set up chunk passing plays vs. the Walsh WCO using short passing game as an extension of the run. Maybe we should just call it the Shanny Offense...or the Mile High Offense??? Im sure Kyle Shanahan has evolved his own version.
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Thanks.
 
Pretty good page here. Good information. Just to summarize, we are seeing a likely trend toward ZBS in the hiring. So, we assume we need to analyze current Texans offense fit and draftable QBs. We think OL may need to evolve and Young and Stroud and others fit. Data suggests Young has the most polish and possible football IQ to fit best
 
Number19 said:
A well executed WCO requires a qb who is excellant at processing defensive reads. Everyone speaks of a qb going through his reads, but a WCO qb knows who should be the open receiver, or the receiver he is going to, based on his read of the defense.

The draft profiles I've read on Young indicates he is elite, or at least very good and above average, at processing.

How is Stroud's processing? I haven't seen it mentioned, much less as a positive or strong point. Stroud is a prototypical pocket passer who can go through his reads. I'm not sure how he would do in a WCO.
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My concern about Stroud is how well will he do when he is not playing behind the best OL with the best WRs.
 
Texan Asylum said:
Absolutely! These guys and gals on here BLOW ME AWAY with the level of knowledge that’s shared here on an ongoing basis.

Thanks everyone for your very detailed and informative posts!
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