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2023 TEXANS DRAFT DISCUSSION

Generic Fan said:
I just don't like the risk of drafting Bryce. Like others have said, its not the height as much as the smaller frame and the injury concern from a big DT jumping on him. I've been wrong before though.
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I just remembered that dirty fat **** Albert Haynesworth derailing our franchise.
 
leebigeztx said:
Why would Cal say he would be more incolved in the coaching search this time if he wanted Culley the 1st time. Let me say this for the thousand time, Watson didn't want a minority coach. He wanted a coach who would be a leader and maximize his skills. All of the teams who wanted to trade for Watson, non had a minority coach, correct? The team he's on now doesn't have a minority coach either. This is a false narrative that keeps getting pushed. To state facts, Caserio is the one who hired Lovie as the DC before he even finished the process in which Culley was named HC even though he knew Frazier wanted nothing to do with Lovie, dating back to Tampa.
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Derrick will have his minority HC soon enough.

All of the candidates were minorities except for Eberflus. There was a reason for that.
 
Texansphan said:
Gotta disagree with you there friend.
#2. Young
#12. Q. Johnson
#33 Mazi Smith
#65 Andrew Vorhees or Luke Wypler (also #73)
You also have the option to bring in an edge or the OL.
This team could be relevant again in short order - by seasons end.
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Gotta disagree with you there friend. I'll never be happy with Young at 1.2. If that's what happens, I'll support him, but I'll be fearful that every time he takes a snap, it will be his last.
 
thunderkyss said:
How involved was Casserly in hiring Capers?

How involved was Casserly in hiring Kubiak?

How involved was Smith in hiring BO’b?

Nick Caserio is the first Texans GM to conduct a coaching search. He chose Culley. Culley wasn’t on the list until Caserio was hired.

Sure the McNairs hemmed him in & limited his field, but the final choice was his.

His 2nd search didn’t go well.

This was his third search. His search.
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Cal hired Culley and Lovie. The 1st actual HC that Caserio picked, with a vote from Cal no question is Meco. If you go back and look, CnD verified that Caserio hadn't made HIS 1st HC hire with either one (Culley or Lovie). And he got the information from someone that works with the Texans. Making it likely the most trusted information we have on that situation.
 
vtech9 said:
Gotta disagree with you there friend. I'll never be happy with Young at 1.2. If that's what happens, I'll support him, but I'll be fearful that every time he takes a snap, it will be his last.
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Last year he had one injury that kept him out for one week.
I haven't been to find any other injuries but that doesn't mean he hasn't had them. But, he is still playing football at a high level - how did he ever survive up till today? 😉
There is no guarantee for any player at any position to remain injury free.
 
1-2 Will Anderson DE- Alabama, 10 yr starter, difference making edge.

1-12 Cody Mauch C/OG- North Dakota St., 10 yr starter, versatile tough guy, smart, quick and the leader of the OL for the next decade.

2-33 Kayshon Boutte WR- LSU, Super talented WR, has as much talent as any WR in this draft. A bit of a headcase, but the talent is there. Gambling on Boutee becoming the next great WR out of LSU.

2-46 Mazi Smith NT- Michigan, Huge guy with great athleticism. Putting Smith on a DL with Anderson/Collins/Hughes is going to be a difference maker for Demeco's Offense.

3-64 B.J. Thompson DE- SFA, Thompson is a yr of S&C from being a full time difference making edge. He's definitely got the talent.
DocBar said:
I would say ONLY if the kid can sit and learn. Maybe for more than one season. NFL draft busts litter the field with QBs with only 1 year as a starter. I wouldn't touch him on day one of the draft. As far as 2.2, it depends on who's available at the time. The Texans have too many holes to reach on a player who was a one-year starter.
I won't be mad if the Texans roll the dice on Young or Stroud at 1.2. They at least have multiple years as a starting QB in college. IMO Levis is a huge risk. Lots of upside but a pretty low floor. Do you draft based on production or on traits and potential?
Sign Jimmy G and draft Richardson? I'm cool. Richardson sits and Mills is the backup.
I am NOT a fan of running QBs in the NFL. The splash. They make highlight reels. They spend a lot of time on injury reports and IR. Josh Allen is fun to watch, but we won't watch him, at this level of play, for 10+ years. Certainly not Jackson or Murray. Way too small to take the trauma.
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I I had to pick a QB in this draft it would be Young. However, there's a case to be made that Bringing in a guy like Minshew then drafting Levis and letting him sit for a yr is the way to go.

Everybody knows my thoughts on this QB class.
 
steelbtexan said:
2-33 Kayshon Boutte WR- LSU, Super talented WR, has as much talent as any WR in this draft. A bit of a headcase, but the talent is there. Gambling on Boutee becoming the next great WR out of LSU
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Head case WRs can give you a lot of production. Just got to let them go at the right time.
 
Texansphan said:
Last year he had one injury that kept him out for one week.
I haven't been to find any other injuries but that doesn't mean he hasn't had them. But, he is still playing football at a high level - how did he ever survive up till today? 😉
There is no guarantee for any player at any position to remain injury free.
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How many QB's his size and I'm not just talking about height have ever been championship level QB's in NFL history? This is what you're signing up for, a whole lot of disappointment. Disappointment just like many with your mindset have experienced in the past. I don't mean this as a slight towards you and enjoy talking ball with you.
 
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edo783 said:
As I see it, we have two choices. Draft a QB this year and ride him in the hopes that we can support him well enough for him to develop and succeed. The other option is to bring in a competent experienced QB and wait for next years draft for one of the top choices. Both present issues. If we pick Young, can we protect him well enough to keep him semi-healthy. Stroud is probably more durable, but not as dynamic. Levis is a true feast or famine player. Could be spectacular or could be a real bust. If we pick up a solid QB to get us to next year, there is a very strong likelihood that we would be picking in the 12-20 range. To move up to the 1-4 range to get the next great hope will cost some serious draft capital. The wailing and nashing of teeth by the draftnicks will be loud and continuous and has zero guarantee that it will even be available to do or even work. Personally, I like the idea of sort of doing both. Picking up a guy like Jimmy G to a three year contract. (say what you will, the guy can play winning football. Just has trouble staying up right). keeping Mills as the third QB. Drafting one of the three top QBs and sitting them. In Youngs case, get a serious muscle and weight program going. Intense teaching programs for any of them and then see where we are at. If we think we are still in the toilet, then spend whatever we have to to go get the next football god.
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mom scared of Young at QB (Alabama ain’t QBU and he’s small. I like Stroud better but everybody seems to shy away from Stroud. I haven’t heard enough about Levi’s. What’s the pros/cons??
 
steelbtexan said:
How many QB's his size and I'm not just talking about height have ever been championship level QB's in NFL history? This is what you're signing up for, a whole lot of disappointment. Disappointment just like many with your .indset have experienced in the past. I don't mean this as a slight towards you and enjoy talking ball with you.
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His size is an issue but he is the most NFL ready QB in this class. He has managed quite well up till now, so why not in the future? Just playing devil's advocate here, because if I had to make a choice of him and Stroud, it's Stroud.
 
steelbtexan said:
1-2 Will Anderson DE- Alabama, 10 yr starter, difference making edge.

1-12 Cody Mauch C/OG- North Dakota St., 10 yr starter, versatile tough guy, smart, quick and the leader of the OL for the next decade.

2-33 Kayshon Boutte WR- LSU, Super talented WR, has as much talent as any WR in this draft. A bit of a headcase, but the talent is there. Gambling on Boutee becoming the next great WR out of LSU.

2-46 Mazi Smith NT- Michigan, Huge guy with great athleticism. Putting Smith on a DL with Anderson/Collins/Hughes is going to be a difference maker for Demeco's Offense.

3-64 B.J. Thompson DE- SFA, Thompson is a yr of S&C from being a full time difference making edge. He's definitely got the talent.
I I had to pick a QB in this draft it would be Young. However, there's a case to be made that Bringing in a guy like Minshew then drafting Levis and letting him sit for a yr is the way to go.

Everybody knows my thoughts on this QB class.
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Man, I like some of the picks, but you are reaching hard on them.
 
Texansphan said:
Last year he had one injury that kept him out for one week.
I haven't been to find any other injuries but that doesn't mean he hasn't had them. But, he is still playing football at a high level - how did he ever survive up till today? 😉
There is no guarantee for any player at any position to remain injury free.
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He was playing in College last year. The NFL isn't College.
 
Texansphan said:
His size is an issue but he is the most NFL ready QB in this class. He has managed quite well up till now, so why not in the future? Just playing devil's advocate here, because if I had to make a choice of him and Stroud, it's Stroud.
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If he is "the most NFL Ready QB" in this class, does that mean he is a can't miss? If memory serves me correctly, Mithcell Trubisky was "the most NFL Ready QB" in the 2017 class. Where is he now? Trubisky is lucky to be a backup QB in Pittsburgh now. Just because a guy is considered "the most NFL Ready QB" doesn't mean he is going to be successful in the NFL.
 
vtech9 said:
If he is "the most NFL Ready QB" in this class, does that mean he is a can't miss? If memory serves me correctly, Mithcell Trubisky was "the most NFL Ready QB" in the 2017 class. Where is he now? Trubisky is lucky to be a backup QB in Pittsburgh now. Just because a guy is considered "the most NFL Ready QB" doesn't mean he is going to be successful in the NFL.
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Plenty of guys have had that tag and we're successful and the tag was justified - what about those?
 
Bayouboy1965 said:
mom scared of Young at QB (Alabama ain’t QBU and he’s small. I like Stroud better but everybody seems to shy away from Stroud. I haven’t heard enough about Levi’s. What’s the pros/cons??
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Levis has the idea size, speed, and arm strength. He didn't play good football consistently, especially accuracy of his throws. As short as I can make it.
 
Bayouboy1965 said:
mom scared of Young at QB (Alabama ain’t QBU and he’s small. I like Stroud better but everybody seems to shy away from Stroud. I haven’t heard enough about Levi’s. What’s the pros/cons??
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Pros: Prototypical size, cannon for an arm, tough, seems to perform well when pressured

Cons: Not great mechanics, spotty touch, misses easy throws, takes too many chances with the ball which leads to picks
 
Bryce is too small at roughly 6ft and 195 (TBD). Yet, some of you like Zay Flowers, Jalin Hyatt, or Tank Dell at WR. All way smaller than Bryce, at a position that takes way more abuse and punishment than an NFL QB does. I understand that QB is the more important role...but still.

As for me, Bryce is my #1 guy. I think he's got a good shot to be special. Stroud is a notch or two behind on my scorecard but I'd be good with him as well. I see good to very good...but not truly special with Stroud. That said, I could see him making a Justin Herbert like impact/comp which would be great.

There's not a lot of comp's on Bryce due to size. Russell Wilson is the closest I have. I don't like the Kyler Murray comp. Just because Murray is a slighter guy doesn't mean their game is the same. It's not. Bryce is the far superior prospect IMHO.

But I'm all in right now on DeMeco. If he went with Will Anderson at 1.2 and passed on both, I'm ok with it because I trust his judgment after consulting Nick and the scouts. Same if they take Stroud over Young. I'm good with that too. I'd be less enthused by Carter, but right now I'm riding the Meco train. It's ride or die for me. Unless they trade out of the spot, 90% chance it's one of those four guys. Plenty of time to argue which of the 4 you like.
 
Texian said:
My sense after listening to all of the DeMeco interviews yesterday is I would not be surprised if the Texans did not draft a QB in RD 1. Yes they have to add 2 QBs to the roster but my interpretation of DeMeco's comments is that could happen via FA and day 2 or 3 of the draft. Would that be the first shockwave of the draft?
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Don't know if you saw it but I already mentioned that they do not feel pressured to take a QB early.

Corrosion said:
As for what they might do in the draft, it doesn't seem like anyone feels pressured to take a QB, they'll probably evaluate them thoroughly and if one stands out as someone they feel can be a franchise type, they'll take him, if not there's next year's crop of QB's. They know this isn't an overnight fix.
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I don't know if I'd call that a shockwave or not .... but it's obvious they will add a QB to the roster somehow.
Not adding one at all and running Mills out there again would be the shocker ....
 
steelbtexan said:
Depends on what you think his talent level is?

If you are tiny you better have great movement skills. I would say Murray has more God given ability than Young. Manziel did too. Flutie had the most success of all of the tiny QB's and I think that's Young's ceiling and that's not championship quality.
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Football is the ultimate team sport, a QB alone doesn't get you a Lombardi trophy.

Was Trent Dilfer a championship QB or what about Jim McMahon, Jeff Hostetler or Brad Johnson?

Those dudes were all pretty average at best QB's ..... but they all won a superbowl.
 
Porky said:
Bryce is too small at roughly 6ft and 195 (TBD). Yet, some of you like Zay Flowers, Jalin Hyatt, or Tank Dell at WR. All way smaller than Bryce, at a position that takes way more abuse and punishment than an NFL QB does. I understand that QB is the more important role...but still.

As for me, Bryce is my #1 guy. I think he's got a good shot to be special. Stroud is a notch or two behind on my scorecard but I'd be good with him as well. I see good to very good...but not truly special with Stroud. That said, I could see him making a Justin Herbert like impact/comp which would be great.

There's not a lot of comp's on Bryce due to size. Russell Wilson is the closest I have. I don't like the Kyler Murray comp. Just because Murray is a slighter guy doesn't mean their game is the same. It's not. Bryce is the far superior prospect IMHO.

But I'm all in right now on DeMeco. If he went with Will Anderson at 1.2 and passed on both, I'm ok with it because I trust his judgment after consulting Nick and the scouts. Same if they take Stroud over Young. I'm good with that too. I'd be less enthused by Carter, but right now I'm riding the Meco train. It's ride or die for me. Unless they trade out of the spot, 90% chance it's one of those four guys. Plenty of time to argue which of the 4 you like.
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We will see if he is 6'-0". From what I've seen, he is 5'-10" at best.

WR is a different position, and has a history of smaller guys succeeding in the NFL. Flowers, Hyatt, and Dell won't be unicorns if they succeed. A QB the size of Bryce Young would be a unicorn. Bryce is not only short, he is small of stature. RGIII was also small in stature even though he was taller. The hits took their toll quickly, and RGIII was out of the NFL.

Russell Wilson is shorter, but he also has a stouter build. He won a Super Bowl, but did so with Beast Mode as his RB. I like Pierce, but he's no Beast Mode.

Your final paragraph I can agree 100% on.
 
AcresHomesTexan said:
Levis has the idea size, speed, and arm strength. He didn't play good football consistently, especially accuracy of his throws. As short as I can make it.
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He also didn't have top talent around him. From what I remember of the QB's that have been successful in the NFL, they were usually on teams that have struggled to a point. I'm not saying I would take Levis, but after sitting for a year or two, he may end up being the best QB in this draft. He's not ready now.
 
BullRushTX said:
Pros: Prototypical size, cannon for an arm, tough, seems to perform well when pressured

Cons: Not great mechanics, spotty touch, misses easy throws, takes too many chances with the ball which leads to picks
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I've seen this alot with Levis. He trusts his arm too much, and tries to force throws to his detriment.
 
AcresHomesTexan said:
Levis has the idea size, speed, and arm strength. He didn't play good football consistently, especially accuracy of his throws. As short as I can make it.
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Levis threw 23 INTs in the last 2 seasons. Young and Stroud each threw 12 INTs total in those 2 seasons. Levis threw 43 TDs, Young threw 79 TDs, Stroud 85 TDs in those 2 years. Levis yards/per attempt and completion% are lower than both Young and Stroud. Levis is Blake Bortles, Jake Locker, Blaine Glabbart, Zach Wilson, etc..., a bust waiting to happen.
 
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Mr.Scarface said:
Levis threw 23 INTs in the last 2 seasons. Young and Stroud each threw 12 INTs total in those 2 seasons. Levis threw 43 TDs, Young threw 79 TDs, Stroud 85 TDs in those 2 years. Levis yards/per attempt and completion% are lower than both Young and Stroud. Levis is Black Bortles, Jake Locker, Blaine Glabbart, Zach Wilson, etc..., a bust waiting to happen.
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Lol exactly
 
BullRushTX said:
Pros: Prototypical size, cannon for an arm, tough, seems to perform well when pressured

Cons: Not great mechanics, spotty touch, misses easy throws, takes too many chances with the ball which leads to picks
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I've never read a draft profile for Brett Favre, but this seems like it could ea description of him coming into the league
 
Corrosion said:
Football is the ultimate team sport, a QB alone doesn't get you a Lombardi trophy.

Was Trent Dilfer a championship QB or what about Jim McMahon, Jeff Hostetler or Brad Johnson?

Those dudes were all pretty average at best QB's ..... but they all won a superbowl.
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I gotta say this narrative is just outdated. Those guys all played in a different era. There’s just no way you can expect to even go to the Super Bowl these days with a guy like that when the AFC has Burrow, Mahomes, Allen, Jackson, Herbert, and Watson if he can remember how to play football.
 
A few years ago a study was made regarding what makes a superior QB. It was determined that ability to be accurate was important, but the most important thing was to be able to process information very quickly and make a decision. Young seems to do that pretty well and so does Stroud. Levis and Richards seem to be a tick behind. Not bad, just not as quick.
 
76Texan said:
I don't know.
But PFF ranks him at 124th against pressure.
That's just awful.
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Who has the entire pressure list? I’d just like to see it to see if it makes sense.

What does 124th in pressure mean? Is it completion %? QB rating? Are sacks taken included? Can someone elaborate on this stat that is continuously quoted?
 
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