Green was playing very well before he got injured and showed good things after. Cann and Howard played much better and only Q was embarrassing in my mind
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Davis Mills getting no respect
- Thread starter SnakeEyes
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I think you're missing the point.
Or worse have a Schaub middling type QB.
If your livlihood depended on it and the security of you family you wouldn't answer so quickly. It's easy for a fan to believe that everything will work out tomorrow
Speedy
Former Yeller Dweller
Sticking with the turd you know makes no sense. If you never take a risk, you never have a chance to become great. Instead you'll continue to wallow away in mediocrity.
Overhyped? You don't think next year's QBs won't be overhyped as well? I mean you're already saying next year's QBs WILL be better. Can't get much more overhyped than that.
So? You look for a QB until you get one. There's no science to this or half the league wouldn't be looking for a QB every year. The Colts had Peyton all of those years, got lucky to get Luck, but now look at them. It's a QB carousel over there now. Who knows when they'll find another QB. How long did it take the Bills to find a QB after Jim Kelly? You could argue the Jets have been looking for one since Namath. Browns since Kosar. Bears since Sid Luckman. Packers went a couple of decades between Starr and Favre.
You obviously don't think much of Stroud or Young and that's fine. But there's no guarantees that Williams or Maye will be any better next year. You keep looking to you get one.
vtech9
All Pro
I don't get the QB hell bit, even if you get another Cousins or Carr. It's not the old days where you are stuck for 5 years. 2 years at most if you get a bust like Wilson. Get a QB every year if you have to. There's no telling if next years class will be better by the time next year roll around
vtech9
All Pro
Well, since I think Williams and Maye are already better, that's where I take my risk. Why take a risk on a QB you don't think will be good? I'll gladly take the risk on a QB I do think will be good. For example, I'd take a risk on Stetson Bennett on the 3rd day over a shorter Young early on the 1st day.
Draft one with your 1st pick, one with your last, and one in between. Keep taking them until you hit. I've never criticized the Texans for drafting Mills. Take chances.
I agreed with you as long as Lovie/Pep were here, but now I'm going to trust whatever coach they bring in. If they do hire Payton and he wants Young/Stroud/ Levis at top of the first then I'm going to figure he knows more than a bunch of keyboard warriors
Let's just wait for Arch Manning. I'm sure no other team will need a QB then.
And even though he hasn't played a down of college football yet you can tell he will be better than any Manning ever. Damn NFL, he should be draft eligible this year!
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Speedy
Former Yeller Dweller
And that’s another thing. Your analysis, or mine for that matter, doesn’t mean squat. You’re certainly entitled to an opinion, but understand that’s all it is. An opinion. So you can opine that Williams and Maye are better, but that doesn’t make it so. You simply don’t know how any of those guys translate at the next level. Even the pros don’t know that, or like I said, half the league wouldn’t be looking for a QB every year.
Number19
Hall of Fame
It's easy to say that now. But it's prudent to see who we hire as our new HC and OC. If it's Payton, and with a good draft, and with our weak '23 schedule, there is a good chance we'll be drafting outside the top 10 in '24. This year, the Jets with a 7-10 record are drafting #13. There is a good chance we won't come close to drafting Williams or Maye. The question to be asked is, will the 3rd, 4th or 5th graded QB's in the '24 class be that much better than Stroud, Young or Levis?
Number19
Hall of Fame
Using Draft Buzz, and combining QB's from '23 and '24, the QB's rank:
Williams ('24)
Young
Maye ('24)
Levis
Stroud
(tie) Hooker, Sanders ('24)
Daniels ('24)
Ewers ('24)
Noteworthy, Buzz has Levis ranked ahead of Stroud.
Just found this interesting to counter the opinion that Texans should risk taking a QB until '24. If you want a "franchise" QB. We already have a journeyman QB in Mills, with an opportunity for improvement under new coaching staff. If he improves, he could be as good as any QB taken in '24, outside the top 2.
Williams ('24)
Young
Maye ('24)
Levis
Stroud
(tie) Hooker, Sanders ('24)
Daniels ('24)
Ewers ('24)
Noteworthy, Buzz has Levis ranked ahead of Stroud.
Just found this interesting to counter the opinion that Texans should risk taking a QB until '24. If you want a "franchise" QB. We already have a journeyman QB in Mills, with an opportunity for improvement under new coaching staff. If he improves, he could be as good as any QB taken in '24, outside the top 2.
Even one of these hot shot coordinators could improve the Texans record. If they don't get a rooke QB, they'd probably want to get a vet FA QB. Sorry to say, but I think the tank is over. Back to just a middling type of suck. Like winning the AFC South.
Every?
Number19
Hall of Fame
Auto correct. Should be Ewers.
Number19
Hall of Fame
Max told us of his early experience with the Vikings, who have never won the SB. Stroud or Young or Levis might could take us to this level of suck.
The same suck gets boring. On to the new suck.
No telling who is going to be on the new staff
A risk I'm more than willing to take.
I see this as a 5-6 win team, best case scenario.
Is this more of a risk or drafting a midget and expecting him to do something that nobody his size has ever done before.
Number19
Hall of Fame
The JAG quarterback you'd draft in '24 isn't going to win the Texans any SB, either. There's really no difference in outcomes between a midget and a jag. But as you keep saying, the midget may be more entertaining. And, oh yes, we'll be giving NO our Cleveland one in '24 to sign Payton, so we won't have draft capital to move up in the '24 draft to have a shot at Williams or Maye, which is why you'll be drafting a jag or signing a FA jag.
I wouldn't give up more than 1-12 for Payton.
There's a big difference between drafting a midget because you need a QB and locking your team into mediocrity. Versus patiently waiting and winning 5-6 games next season, then doing what it takes to move up for one of the much better QB's IMHO in 2024. Williams/Maye and you know there will be another QB available, odds are that you will be able to get one of those QB's.
Number19
Hall of Fame
Something we can agree on. I'm down with giving up #12 if Loomis comes down on his first demand of two number ones.
If they're that good, there will be teams that suck next year waiting to draft them.
Or are you proposing that the Texans tank again?
Thorn
Dirty Old Man
Please, no more tanking. I'm tired of trying to find new pics of broken down tanks for captioning. Unless we can come up with a new synonym for losing. We're Texan fans, that shouldn't be to hard. LOL
Texaning?
The Texans are going to be a 5-6 win team next yr unless they hit the draft/FAout of the park and the rookies dont hit the rookie wall, in addition to last yrs draft class staying healthy and improving greatly.
What are the odds of all of this happening?
I get that you would rather take the risk on a midget rather than trading down, gathering multiple picks including three 2024 1sts.
TexansBull
Hall of Fame
I kept telling you that if the two QBs that you covet are regarded as much better prospects, there will be teams that tank in order to get them.
Unless you give the farm, you won't have the chance at those guys.
And even if you're willing to give up the farm, those teams may not sway.
And even if they sway, your draft capital would diminish greatly.
You would end up with no support for that shiny new QB.
Like I said, the Texans missed a big opportunity with Wilson.
I could easily have gone with him in the second (he was drafted in the third), plus Cousins in the fourth (instead of Ben Jones) and Keenum in the fifth.
Look at this.
Evaluating The 2012 NFL QB Class
The 2012 NFL Draft was hyped as one of the best of all time. 6 years later we take a look at how good it really was.
medium.com
They could easily have had Wilson instead of Posey.
That was the best QB draft class I had ever called.
But McNair had to give Matt Schaub the extension that ruined everything.
Drafting a QB in the 3rd wouldn't have prevented Schaub from being extended. The Seahawks didn't think they were getting a rookie starter when they drafted Wilson. If you look at Wilson's college numbers and his Senior Bowl, where he dominated, he should have gone in the 1st round. But he was small, and small QBs can't win in the NFL. History, I guess.
vtech9
All Pro
I might take Young in the 3rd round, if he was available then, but I am not taking Young at the top of the 1st round. I would take Stroud around pick 15 or so, and Levis in the 20's, but it is MY OPINION, that none of these QB's this year are good enough to be taken in the top 10. If Levis or Richardson are there for our 2nd round pick, I'd take one of them there. I get it that you have a man crush on Young, but I don't.
I want the new HC (if they are an OC) or the new OC to work out Mills. I'll go with whatever they say. Mills has shown great flashes. He has also shown some really bad throws. I think Lovie made Pep run some "3 yards and a cloud of dust" offense and Pep either didn't give Mills the kind of development he needed or he just couldn't. Mills could just outright suck, but the end of 2021 showed me has has "something". QBs don't just forget how to throw a football. Something happened to Mills this year. I'm not sure what. All I know is I do not want Cal interfering if the new coaching staff says "We have worked out Mills extensively and we are better off sticking with him than drafting a QB with 1:2"
dream_team
Hall of Fame
I kept telling you that if the two QBs that you covet are regarded as much better prospects, there will be teams that tank in order to get them.
Unless you give the farm, you won't have the chance at those guys.
And even if you're willing to give up the farm, those teams may not sway.
And even if they sway, your draft capital would diminish greatly.
You would end up with no support for that shiny new QB.
Like I said, the Texans missed a big opportunity with Wilson.
I could easily have gone with him in the second (he was drafted in the third), plus Cousins in the fourth (instead of Ben Jones) and Keenum in the fifth.
Look at this.
Evaluating The 2012 NFL QB Class
The 2012 NFL Draft was hyped as one of the best of all time. 6 years later we take a look at how good it really was.
They could easily have had Wilson instead of Posey.
That was the best QB draft class I had ever called.
But McNair had to give Matt Schaub the extension that ruined everything.
I heard Rick Smith wanted to draft Russell Wilson, but too many people kept telling him that midgets don't win football games.
Yes, there's a unicorn for short people to hang their hats on.
TheRealJoker
Hall of Fame
Davis Mills gives himself a bit too much respect imo. See Texans blurb at bottom of link. Wont let me cut and paste on phone.
nfltraderumors.co
NFL Notes: Bengals Joe Burrow, Raiders, Derek Carr, Texans
Bengals Bengals OL Ted Karras says that the team needs to be ready to go and start fast in order to make it to the Super Bowl next season. “We’re in the final four
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Texansphan
Football connoisseur
Nothing wrong with being positive - in fact, how are you going to succeed if you're not?Davis Mills gives himself a bit too much respect imo. See Texans blurb at bottom of link. Wont let me cut and paste on phone.
NFL Notes: Bengals Joe Burrow, Raiders, Derek Carr, Texans
Bengals Bengals OL Ted Karras says that the team needs to be ready to go and start fast in order to make it to the Super Bowl next season. “We’re in the final four
At least he wasn’t making excuses.
Texansphan
Football connoisseur
He doesn't need to.
We already know who he is and what his team was.
Thorn
Dirty Old Man
At the hands of a much lesser coach.
Sometimes I read a quote from Mills, and I swear I'm reading something that Osweiler would say. They both seem to have that "lack of self-awareness" gene.Davis Mills gives himself a bit too much respect imo. See Texans blurb at bottom of link. Wont let me cut and paste on phone.
NFL Notes: Bengals Joe Burrow, Raiders, Derek Carr, Texans
Bengals Bengals OL Ted Karras says that the team needs to be ready to go and start fast in order to make it to the Super Bowl next season. “We’re in the final four
Some people on here were saying that Pep is great with QBs (see Justin Herbert's rookie year).
Pep even installed the WCO that Mills ran at Stanford (with some twist).
With a better QB, the Texans should have won at least another 3 games.
Texansballer74
The Marine
Davis Mills gives himself a bit too much respect imo. See Texans blurb at bottom of link. Wont let me cut and paste on phone.
Texansballer74
The Marine
He had plenty of plays that he should’ve made but he missed too much. That’s on him not coaching
The Texans mistake was making him a starter without any competition. Plus, he should have been playing in preseason more since he really didn’t have much games played in college. I blame that on the organization but it’s not his fault they didn’t sign a good FA vet in the offseason.