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2023 TEXANS DRAFT DISCUSSION

Senior Bowl Winners: Jake Haener, Jayden Reed among the top performers in Mobile
Dane Brugler
MOBILE, Ala. — The Senior Bowl game itself will be played on Saturday afternoon, but most NFL evaluators have already left Mobile after a week of practice, three-meat BBQ plates and fresh seafood.

With three full days of on-field practices in the books, teams now have updated information on 100-plus players from the Senior Bowl rosters. Most NFL front offices use all-star games to cross-check reports and get fresh eyes on specific position groups, but the Senior Bowl is also the first scouting event of the draft cycle a lot of coaches attend — and we know how important first impressions are.

Based only on this week of practice, these are the top players that I evaluated at each position. I’m not saying they will be the first player drafted at their respective positions among Senior Bowl players (although some will), merely that they performed best throughout the week of practices.

Offense
Quarterback: Jake Haener, Fresno State (6-foot-0, 208 pounds)
Overall, it was an inconsistent showing from all six quarterbacks (Haener, Tyson Bagent, Malik Cunningham, Max Duggan, Jaren Hall and Clayton Tune). That isn’t all too surprising considering there isn’t a quarterback among that group who is a lock to be drafted in the top 100.

But if I have to choose a QB who stood out, I’m giving my vote to Haener, because I thought he showed the most progress throughout the week. He was efficient, had good zip on his passes, and several of his top throws ranked among the best all week, including this back-shoulder touchdown pass to Payne Durham on Thursday.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1621226803313668096


Haener, who projects as a backup and potential spot-starter in the NFL, was my highest-graded quarterback entering the week, and nothing happened during practices to change that. If there is a Brock Purdy in the group, Haener could be that guy.

Bagent didn’t look overwhelmed this week, which was the most important thing that scouts wanted to see from the Shepherd QB. The ball appeared to jump off his hand, and the metrics back that up. According to Zebra Technologies, he had the No. 1 average initial air speed (literally, how fast the ball comes out of a quarterback’s hand) at 47.5 MPH.

GO DEEPER
Meet Tyson Bagent, record-setting NFL Draft hopeful and son of an arm-wrestling legend

Duggan was very up and down all week, but the TCU star had several strong reps, and you can see when his competitive instincts take over.

Running Back: Tyjae Spears, Tulane (5-10, 204)

THE REST OF THE POTENTIAL DRAFTEES
 
Just like elsewhere, it's not your size that matters...it's how you use it. :)

I think the size factor is way overrated personally. I only care about one thing - can the guy play? Young can play so sign me up.

As far as injury concerns, I'm only slightly more concerned vs. a bigger guy. There's been plenty of CB's, WR's, and RB's in that size/weight grouping. this would take a ton of research, but just anecdotally, I haven't seen or noticed any real correlation and those are positions that take a ton more abuse than the QB spot, especially in the modern NFL.

If you ask me, it's a bunch of crapola on a sandwich, topped with vomit. Pass on Young (if there) and regret it later.
 
I like Dawand Jones at RT early in the second round.
Work with him to improve on his quickness.
If he doesn't pan out at RT, move him to OG or maybe try him at NT.

The guy can be a beast with some refinement.
 
Rich Schmidt said:
Yes, could argue Bijan is most talented player in the draft, but RB position pulls him down. I agree there is a fall off, but that is not because the RB's are bad, Bijan is just that special. I just did a mock and traded up at 26 to get Bijan, if he falls that low I would be shocked and hope Texans would make a move up from their 2nd pick if something like that happens even though our RB #1 is solid. Need at least 1 RB this year from the draft and another from UDFA I think. Would not target Bijan unless he falls as we need a good compliment to Pierce, not a replacement, and can be found in 3rd or 4th
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Both Bijan Robinson and Zac Charbonnet have WR 1 size and speed better than many others. Add to Rice and Hyatt and Metchie with Pierce rotating with them at RB, whew! 💣
 
Porky said:
Just like elsewhere, it's not your size that matters...it's how you use it. :)

I think the size factor is way overrated personally. I only care about one thing - can the guy play? Young can play so sign me up.

As far as injury concerns, I'm only slightly more concerned vs. a bigger guy. There's been plenty of CB's, WR's, and RB's in that size/weight grouping. this would take a ton of research, but just anecdotally, I haven't seen or noticed any real correlation and those are positions that take a ton more abuse than the QB spot, especially in the modern NFL.

If you ask me, it's a bunch of crapola on a sandwich, topped with vomit. Pass on Young (if there) and regret it later.
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His biggest takeaway was Young has NFL ready anticipation and special ability to extend plays while keeping his eyes downfield. If you're going with a form of WCO, he's an ideal fit.
 
Early mock I did with:

ninetynineyards.com

NFLGirlUK

Bringing you closer to the game you love
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Now who knows which players will land where because there's still the Senior Bowl, combine, and a few months before the draft, but this is the kind of draft I'd be happy with - QB, EDGE, WR with first three picks; C, LB, Secondary with next three picks; good prospects with the remaining picks.

2. QB - Bryce Young
12. WR - Jordan Addison
33. EDGE - Lukas Van Ness
65. LB - Jack Campbell
73. C - Luke Wypler
104. S - J.L. Skinner
138. RB - Roschon Johnson
188. WR - Andrei Iosivas
201. G/T - Braeden Daniels
203. LB - Isaiah Land
207. CB - Kei'Trel Clark
239. TE - Zach Kuntz
 
BullRushTX said:
A mountain of a man! Legit 6'8", 375 lbs, with 11.5" hands, and an 89.5" wingspan
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Quick feet for his size.
Saw him being able to get out and seal the edge on an outside run against Georgia.
Quick enough to block down on some ZBS to the front side so that the RB can cut back or for Stroud to roll out on the bootleg.
Even if he needs to move to OG, think a bigger Brandon Brooks, just not as quick.
 
BullRushTX said:
Early mock I did with:

ninetynineyards.com

NFLGirlUK

Bringing you closer to the game you love
ninetynineyards.com ninetynineyards.com

Now who knows which players will land where because there's still the Senior Bowl, combine, and a few months before the draft, but this is the kind of draft I'd be happy with - QB, EDGE, WR with first three picks; C, LB, Secondary with next three picks; good prospects with the remaining picks.

2. QB - Bryce Young
12. WR - Jordan Addison
33. EDGE - Lukas Van Ness
65. LB - Jack Campbell
73. C - Luke Wypler
104. S - J.L. Skinner
138. RB - Roschon Johnson
188. WR - Andrei Iosivas
201. G/T - Braeden Daniels
203. LB - Isaiah Land
207. CB - Kei'Trel Clark
239. TE - Zach Kuntz
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The best mock draft I’ve seen on here thus far. You have addressed every need for this team other than DT. I would attack that position through FA.
 
Texansphan said:
I don't see Stroud as dynamic outside the pocket. Otoh, Young is pretty decent.
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Na. If Demeco installs the WCO, I can see Anthony Richardson being successful here. He’s got the size, speed, and the arm. Especially if Nick signs a decent vet so Richardson can sit back and learn for an entire season. Even better if they get a QB Coach that can develop his passing game.
 
Bryce Young compares well with what the talking heads and "experts" said about...Johnny Manziel. Can do it all, strong enough arm to deliver most throws, even won a Heisman. Then in the NFL he was just as much eaten alive due to all his flaws and height/weight as he was also broken inside. Even without the alcohol and attitude, Young is very similar. And we saw that his play was NOT NFL level.
 
SnakeEyes said:
Bryce Young compares well with what the talking heads and "experts" said about...Johnny Manziel. Can do it all, strong enough arm to deliver most throws, even won a Heisman. Then in the NFL he was just as much eaten alive due to all his flaws and height/weight as he was also broken inside. Even without the alcohol and attitude, Young is very similar. And we saw that his play was NOT NFL level.
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I disagree. Johnny football was a product of RPO and off script plays. He had no ability to pass with anticipation or read a defense. This was his knock coming out and there was some real buyer beware with him. Size wise though super similar. Will give you that.

Young can do all of those things that Johnny couldn’t. Other than size they actually do not compare. Young is hands down a MUCH better QB prospect. Size and arm are still my concerns. He actually doesn’t have very good deep ball accuracy and I think it has to do with the lack of arm.

We shall see. #BetterThanBortles
 
SnakeEyes said:
Bryce Young compares well with what the talking heads and "experts" said about...Johnny Manziel. Can do it all, strong enough arm to deliver most throws, even won a Heisman. Then in the NFL he was just as much eaten alive due to all his flaws and height/weight as he was also broken inside. Even without the alcohol and attitude, Young is very similar. And we saw that his play was NOT NFL level.
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The only person who thought that highly of Manziel was Skip Bayless. Young has great mechanics, NFL-ready anticipation, is good about going through his progressions, great pocket awareness, and is strong under pressure. Manziel was good about dodging defenders and winging it to Mike Evans.
 
steelbtexan said:
Depends on what you think his talent level is?

If you are tiny you better have great movement skills. I would say Murray has more God given ability than Young. Manziel did too. Flutie had the most success of all of the tiny QB's and I think that's Young's ceiling and that's not championship quality.
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Murray is a better athlete, at least faster and more elusive. Manziel was the king of backyard football. In college he could run around and use his athleticism to make a ton of off schedule plays. He was phenomenal at that. I don’t think he had the drive or discipline that it takes to be successful in the NFL. I think as a pro prospect Young is better than both players by a wide margin but his size is scary. I will say he is one tough SOB. Re watch the Texas and Tennessee games from this year. He took huge shots and kept popping up and making plays. Alabama didn’t have their usual crop of talent on offense, relying on young inexperienced WRs, and he still made a ton of plays
 
otisbean said:
Murray is a better athlete, at least faster and more elusive. Manziel was the king of backyard football. In college he could run around and use his athleticism to make a ton of off schedule plays. He was phenomenal at that. I don’t think he had the drive or discipline that it takes to be successful in the NFL. I think as a pro prospect Young is better than both players by a wide margin but his size is scary. I will say he is one tough SOB. Re watch the Texas and Tennessee games from this year. He took huge shots and kept popping up and making plays. Alabama didn’t have their usual crop of talent on offense, relying on young inexperienced WRs, and he still made a ton of plays
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Having played with bigger guys all his life, I think he has figured out how to fall to minimize his injuries/pain.
 
bigbrewster2000 said:
I disagree. Johnny football was a product of RPO and off script plays. He had no ability to pass with anticipation or read a defense. This was his knock coming out and there was some real buyer beware with him. Size wise though super similar. Will give you that.

Young can do all of those things that Johnny couldn’t. Other than size they actually do not compare. Young is hands down a MUCH better QB prospect. Size and arm are still my concerns. He actually doesn’t have very good deep ball accuracy and I think it has to do with the lack of arm.

We shall see. #BetterThanBortles
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If we get a quarterback with an Arm cannon, we need to find some receivers that can get deep. Just saying..
 
otisbean said:
Murray is a better athlete, at least faster and more elusive. Manziel was the king of backyard football. In college he could run around and use his athleticism to make a ton of off schedule plays. He was phenomenal at that. I don’t think he had the drive or discipline that it takes to be successful in the NFL. I think as a pro prospect Young is better than both players by a wide margin but his size is scary. I will say he is one tough SOB. Re watch the Texas and Tennessee games from this year. He took huge shots and kept popping up and making plays. Alabama didn’t have their usual crop of talent on offense, relying on young inexperienced WRs, and he still made a ton of plays
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Agree that Young is a way better prospect than Manziel, who basically was able to wing plays in the backfield and heave it deep to a HOF caliber player. Young is much more refined, throws with good anticipation, has all those intangibles Manziel lacks. And he seems to have a good head on his shoulders and is driven.

Now, the big question for me is whether he's a better prospect than Murray. Murray has a stronger arm, and because he was always build more sturdy had much better RPO potential to make big plays on the ground. Was fairly accurate as well... So my biggest concern with Young is not that he's Manziel, it's that he becomes a similar 'mid' QB like Murray and that's a place we definitely don't want to be. Along with the inherent injury risk that will always be there.

In my mind, Bryce Young has the highest floor of any QB in this draft. I just don't know about the upside, and about the Texans getting trapped with a 'mid' high lottery draft choice that will be hard to move away from. Translatibility of Young's college game to the NFL is a big question.
 
badboy said:
If we get a quarterback with an Arm cannon, we need to find some receivers that can get deep. Just saying..
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Do you think DeMeco will bring the WCO to Houston? Originally as envisioned by Walsh, the WCO was a short to medium horizontal passing attack to set up the run. Receivers only seldom were sent deep vertically. Has the WCO evolved to incorporate more of the Coryell/spread vertical game? How does San Francisco run the WCO? Types of receivers?
 
Number19 said:
Do you think DeMeco will bring the WCO to Houston? Originally as envisioned by Walsh, the WCO was a short to medium horizontal passing attack to set up the run. Receivers only seldom were sent deep vertically. Has the WCO evolved to incorporate more of the Coryell/spread vertical game? How does San Francisco run the WCO? Types of receivers?
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I can only see DeMeco bringing in a offensive coordinator who would put into force Offense that Ryan's is aware of at San Francisco. He schemed against it And should know it's strength and weaknesses. I think Bryce young's skill sets are perfect. I am not so interested in receivers that can get deep but after they catch it, can run to glory. Bijan also fits not only due to size and speed but he breaks tackles at record pace. He knows how to get points.
 
Number19 said:
Do you think DeMeco will bring the WCO to Houston? Originally as envisioned by Walsh, the WCO was a short to medium horizontal passing attack to set up the run. Receivers only seldom were sent deep vertically. Has the WCO evolved to incorporate more of the Coryell/spread vertical game? How does San Francisco run the WCO? Types of receivers?
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The WCO offense attacks both horizontally and vertically (the second part is mostly done with play action).

What is the West Coast Offense? - Big Blue Interactive

Defining the West Coast Offense (WCO) is a difficult task. The WCO is not merely a certain type of plays being run, but a total commitment to a different
www.bigblueinteractive.com
 
badboy said:
I can only see DeMeco bringing in a offensive coordinator who would put into force Offense that Ryan's is aware of at San Francisco. He schemed against it And should know it's strength and weaknesses. I think Bryce young's skill sets are perfect. I am not so interested in receivers that can get deep but after they catch it, can run to glory. Bijan also fits not only due to size and speed but he breaks tackles at record pace. He knows how to get points.
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He and Pierce would be a dangerous RB combo. I'm not sure they could afford to use 1.12 on such a luxury, but in the right scheme, that could be very effective.
 
BullRushTX said:
He and Pierce would be a dangerous RB combo. I'm not sure they could afford to use 1.12 on such a luxury, but in the right scheme, that could be very effective.
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I am hesitant also and trying to figure out a trade for number 12 that would still get Robinson and a significant draft pick.

As you said, he is a luxury But a d*** fine one.
 
Porky said:
We are comparing Manziel and Young now? Wow. Ok if you say so lmao.
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Of course your missing the point because you choose too. The point is their have been other tiny short QB's that have torn it up in college and haven't done crap in the NFL. But Young's different. OK if you want to believe that fine. But I wouldn't be willing the future on that. You would, it's very simple.
 
steelbtexan said:
Of course your missing the point because you choose too. The point is their have been other tiny short QB's that have torn it up in college and haven't done crap in the NFL. But Young's different. OK if you want to believe that fine. But I wouldn't be willing the future on that. You would, it's very simple.
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Except no one thought Manziel was a first round QB other than a janitor in Cleveland
 
JB said:
Except no one thought Manziel was a first round QB other than a janitor in Cleveland
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Once again the point is being missed. If Manziel didn't have the off field issues he would have definitely been a 1st rd pick on many teams board including the Texans, he probably would've been the Texans 1st rd pick. Gotta sell those tickets and back in the day keep those Aggies happy.
 
steelbtexan said:
Once again the point is being missed. If Manziel didn't have the off field issues he would have definitely been a 1st rd pick on many teams board including the Texans, he probably would've been the Texans 1st rd pick. Gotta sell those tickets and back in the day keep those Aggies happy.
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You alter your memory and the facts. Some fans might have had Manziel as a first round pick but that's about it.
 
JB said:
You alter your memory and the facts. Some fans might have had Manziel as a first round pick but that's about it.
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One team did.

Others at one time also did.

You dont seem to remember the billborads that went up around town.
 
steelbtexan said:
Once again the point is being missed. If Manziel didn't have the off field issues he would have definitely been a 1st rd pick on many teams board including the Texans, he probably would've been the Texans 1st rd pick. Gotta sell those tickets and back in the day keep those Aggies happy.
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I think Young's size is a legitimate concern, but it is the only legitimate concern I've heard regarding Young. Manziel had way more red flags other than his off field issues and size. Comparing the two is ludicrous.

If Ryans and Co. believe size is reason enough to pass on Young, I hope they don't take a QB until mid-late rounds. I don't know how Stroud will fair without the high level of talent surrounding him, Levis will need to fix his mechanics and decision making, and Richardson is talented but very raw.
 
BullRushTX said:
I think Young's size is a legitimate concern, but it is the only legitimate concern I've heard regarding Young. Manziel had way more red flags other than his off field issues and size. Comparing the two is ludicrous.

If Ryans and Co. believe size is reason enough to pass on Young, I hope they don't take a QB until mid-late rounds. I don't know how Stroud will fair without the high level of talent surrounding him, Levis will need to fix his mechanics and decision making, and Richardson is talented but very raw.
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Agreed, but their talent level is comparable.

The point is their have been many other great college tiny QB's and none have had great success.
 
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