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2023 TEXANS DRAFT DISCUSSION

steelbtexan said:
I didn't say he was a midget in that post and tried to be respectful of your opinion. Then you make this post when I asked for your opinion of what makes Young different than every other QB in NFL history and you post this. SMH
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My opinion and evaluation on Young should be well known.
You don't get to act out with the descriptions I gave in that post and then be respectful in one post and expect me and others to forget your history. For years I defended some of your most aggregious
Comments but you just go overboard. I do not believe you are racist as many here do even though some of your comments over the years have made me pause.

Stick with conversation and not try to attack other posters or Denigrate players or management.

Where we go from here is up to you.
 
xtruroyaltyx said:
Not sure if its been posted but supposedly the bears have decided to stick with Fields and arent interested in the defensive guys available there...so they have engaged teams on trading the pick.

According to senior NFL reporter Albert Breer, the Bears will NOT be trading Justin Fields and will instead be looking to trade the #1 overall pick.
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Yes and others think Bears should take Carter or Anderson to start repairing their defense. I think that Kyree Wilson or Myles Murphy on a trade down would be Just as good including the extra pics.
 
badboy said:
My opinion and evaluation on Young should be well known.
You don't get to act out with the descriptions I gave in that post and then be respectful in one post and expect me and others to forget your history. For years I defended some of your most aggregious
Comments but you just go overboard. I do not believe you are racist as many here do even though some of your comments over the years have made me pause.

Stick with conversation and not try to attack other posters or Denigrate players or management.

Where we go from here is up to you.
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I really dont care what others think and most of these accusations came because of my belief that Derrick was an avg QB instead of an elite QB. Also my thoughts that he was a dumb person struck some the wrong way. However I was proven correct.

BTW, if Cal makes QB the pick, Young would be my guy. However history says there will be no championships. You never answered my question on what makes Young different than every other tiny QB that's ever played in the NFL.

I get to act anyway I choose as long as I follow the forum rules. This seems to be something that troubles you.
 
vtech9 said:
I think Stroud has a better chance of having a decent career. I think Young would get killed in Indy, and ultimately be out of the NFL by the end of his rookie contract if not before.
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Wow... that's as bearish a prognostication about Stroud as I've heard. To my eye, he's got the tools and arm talent to be a good QB. But I just can't shake how his stats nosedive under pressure. I think that will be the key on whether he succeeds or not, because the pressure will only amplify in the NFL. A bet on Stroud is a bet he will able to remediate his bad history of performance under pressure.
 
badboy said:
Your 1st sentence is what I am focusing on.
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Focus on these 2 words, IN COLLEGE, some not just you dont seem to realize many tiny QB's have played in the NFL and none other than Tarkenton have had much success. Again, what makes Young different?
 
steelbtexan said:
I really dont care what others think and most of these accusations came because of my belief that Derrick was an avg QB instead of an elite QB. Also my thoughts that he was a dumb person struck some the wrong way. However I was proven correct.

BTW, if Cal makes QB the pick, Young would be my guy. However history says there will be no championships. You never answered my question on what makes Young different than every other tiny QB that's ever played in the NFL.

I get to act anyway I choose as long as I follow the forum rules. This seems to be something that troubles you.
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And I agree with you on Watson but I don't call him names and say players from Clemson are trash or Nigerians are less.
I have answered your questions about Young by pointing to his skill sets and his stats and you only reply that he is a midget.
 
steelbtexan said:
Focus on these 2 words, IN COLLEGE, some not just you dont seem to realize many tiny QB's have played in the NFL and none other than Tarkenton have had much success. Again, what makes Young different?
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Forget about Young's size for a minute. Arm strength is pretty meh, and his passing numbers away from the middle of the field weren't that great this year. So there's more than just size and the ability to stay healthy with Young. And that's ok to a degree; guys like jimmy Garoppolo have made a living in the middle of the field.

Just kinda sick of only hearing about Young's size, when there are other factors to think about. And yes, there's a lot to like about Young as well.
 
steelbtexan said:
Focus on these 2 words, IN COLLEGE, some not just you dont seem to realize many tiny QB's have played in the NFL and none other than Tarkenton have had much success. Again, what makes Young different?
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obviously I and others believe as you do not that those skills in college will translate into the NFL. I Anticipate Demeco Ryans using the draft and possibly free agency to build an offense around young that other smaller quarterbacks may not have had in the past.

As I have said before I do not focus on History on determining what players I want.
 
ben.aires.smith said:
Wow... that's as bearish a prognostication about Stroud as I've heard. To my eye, he's got the tools and arm talent to be a good QB. But I just can't shake how his stats nosedive under pressure. I think that will be the key on whether he succeeds or not, because the pressure will only amplify in the NFL. A bet on Stroud is a bet he will able to remediate his bad history of performance under pressure.
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He has to join the right team. Because of Young's size, unless he has a career as a backup, I don't see him lasting long in the NFL.
 
Corrosion said:
I'll pass, thanks. He's terribad when pressured which wasn't all that often in college but in the NFL that pressure is pretty much every down.

Give me Carter @ 2.


I'll take Hooker in the 3rd and call it a day.
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Stroud if a Texan could have a line to compare with his college line. DW was pressured and did quite well his final season starting.
 
vtech9 said:
He has to join the right team. Because of Young's size, unless he has a career as a backup, I don't see him lasting long in the NFL.
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100%. Stroud is going to need a team that has a primo offensive line as more of a traditional drop back passer. No different from giys like Jared Goff, who also has big disparity in numbers with/without pressure. Credit the lions for investing in giys like Sewell high in order to help make Goff effective. Lions had one of the league's best pass protect units in 2022. Stroud would have failed on the 2022 Texans, I have no doubt.
Davis Mills, Derek Carr etc in the same boat. So it's imperative to invest heavily in the OL if you get Stroud, or he can easily fail and lose confidence making the transition.
 
ben.aires.smith said:
Forget about Young's size for a minute. Arm strength is pretty meh, and his passing numbers away from the middle of the field weren't that great this year. So there's more than just size and the ability to stay healthy with Young. And that's ok to a degree; guys like jimmy Garoppolo have made a living in the middle of the field.

Just kinda sick of only hearing about Young's size, when there are other factors to think about. And yes, there's a lot to like about Young as well.
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One thing about Young is he played deeper than most QB's do from the shotgun. They did this to give him a better chance of finding a lane to throw through. In the NFL, if he's lined up that far back, it's going push RB's even farther away from the LOS. That's going to really handicap the running game. If that team can't run the ball, defenses are going to key on it.
 
Porky said:
I'd never draft this guy at 2. You've never convincing me this guy is worth a 2 overall. Top 5, I'm looking for true game-changing impact players and really at only a few positions - QB, WR, LT, or Pass Rusher (LB or DL)...and maybe CB in a special case. No Space Eating guy in the middle that isn't ever going to be a pass-rushing demon. No way, no how. I'm not sold on him even in the top 15. I don't like him until the back half of the first round at best. For me, I wouldn't take him until 33. I think he is an above-average, but not great player and will never live up to a guy you want at 1.2. For me, that would be another Caserio epic mistake. Carry on.
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You have never watched that guy. And he plays all over the dl.
 
vtech9 said:
One thing about Young is he played deeper than most QB's do from the shotgun. They did this to give him a better chance of finding a lane to throw through. In the NFL, if he's lined up that far back, it's going push RB's even farther away from the LOS. That's going to really handicap the running game. If that team can't run the ball, defenses are going to key on it.
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Yeah, just highlights, but if you doubt his arm strength, you need to watch some of the throws in this compilation.
Looks jes fine to me.
 
ben.aires.smith said:
I hope this answers your query. Massive disparity between Stroud's performance without pressure vs. under pressure. So all those pretty little highlights you see on ESPN look great, but not consistent.

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And Young has them to. The 1 QB who has a great chance to be great is Levis and maybe Richardson. And why I say that is simple. Levis just needs a little polish from a good coaching staff. Maybe even sit a year and learn. Richardson is a freak...but he has to put it all together. That's what makes him such a big risk to even consider him. If he got it together you have a potential year in year out Pro Bowl player. If not you have a bust and waste of a pick.

With a D player, depending on position, you have a guy who can quickly get to the QB. Which is a sure way to get the ball back, cause INTs and plain bad throws. Has to be Edge or DT/NT.
 
Texansphan said:
Yeah, just highlights, but if you doubt his arm strength, you need to watch some of the throws in this compilation.
Looks jes fine to me.
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I didn't say anything about his arm strength. He doesn't have a real strong arm, but it's strong enough. His size is the issue.
 
SnakeEyes said:
And Young has them to. The 1 QB who has a great chance to be great is Levis and maybe Richardson. And why I say that is simple. Levis just needs a little polish from a good coaching staff. Maybe even sit a year and learn. Richardson is a freak...but he has to put it all together. That's what makes him such a big risk to even consider him. If he got it together you have a potential year in year out Pro Bowl player. If not you have a bust and waste of a pick.

With a D player, depending on position, you have a guy who can quickly get to the QB. Which is a sure way to get the ball back, cause INTs and plain bad throws. Has to be Edge or DT/NT.
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Levis isn't ready, and I have questions about his decision making, but he has the best arm I've seen from this years QB class. Richardson has potential, but he really should have stayed in school for another year. He's just too raw to know how he will be as a pro. Also, he reminds me too much of WD-40, so I'm hesitant with him.
 
Double Barrel said:
Y'all just remember that the EXPERTS had Mitch Tribisky ranked as the top QB in the 2017 pre-draft rankings.

This over Patrick Mahomes and Deshaun Watson. LMAO!!! Y'all keep drinking that tasty media Kool-Aid. :spit:
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There was no concensus anywhere (media, draft sites, fans) about the 2017 draft class.
It was all over the place.
 
Thorn said:
Half of that was him running the ball. If you're going to get a RB then get one, otherwise get a QB.
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Okie dokie - didn't post it for that as I was concentrating on his throws.
Tell ya what though, I think DR will have noticed - I think he favours a dual threat guy.
Besides, there's no point in having a statue back there.
 
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Texansphan said:
Okie dokie - didn't post it for that as I was concentrating on his throws.
Tell ya what though, I think DR will have noticed - I think he favours a dual threat guy.
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I'm not going to predict anything on the offense yet until I hear his shiny new OC talking. That's when we'll have a better idea of where they're headed. And if they take a QB with 1.2 like I don't want them to, then I'll just have to wait and see why. For now I'm giving DeMeco all the benefit of the doubt and am already sitting on the bandwagon with a nice window seat.
 
Thorn said:
I'm not going to predict anything on the offense yet until I hear his shiny new OC talking. That's when we'll have a better idea of where they're headed. And if they take a QB with 1.2 like I don't want them to, then I'll just have to wait and see why. For now I'm giving DeMeco all the benefit of the doubt and am already sitting on the bandwagon with a nice window seat.
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I agree. If he finds someone who is running the Shanny offense I am rolling with Mills next year. I mean Jimmy G is a good QB, not a great one. Brock Purdy looked great in that system because it requires a good decision maker and not a top flight QB. Plus they have great skill players. Build the trenches and skill players with this draft. Bring in some decent competition for Mills. Let the OLine and skill players learn the offense this year. If Mills succeeds, great. If he doesn't, there are better QB prospects next year.
 
Xopher said:
I agree. If he finds someone who is running the Shanny offense I am rolling with Mills next year. I mean Jimmy G is a good QB, not a great one. Brock Purdy looked great in that system because it requires a good decision maker and not a top flight QB. Plus they have great skill players. Build the trenches and skill players with this draft. Bring in some decent competition for Mills. Let the OLine and skill players learn the offense this year. If Mills succeeds, great. If he doesn't, there are better QB prospects next year.
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I just don't think any of the QBs this year is worth the 1.2 pick, but I sure as hell can for several of the DL or edge guys. What ever the Texans do, it probably won't be what anyone's predicting now anyway.
 
pokerfaceSATX said:
Longtime lurker, first time poster. Demeco lured me in! Lance Zierlein posted a detailed film study on Bryce Young. Not sure if it's been posted. Hoping he'll do one on Stroud as well.

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I haven't seen all of it yet but appears to be very informative. It seems he has problems with passes outside the numbers. That's Mills, too.
 
There's a qb who has already run the WCO in college, Stanford's Tanner McKee, who's rated somewhere around #5 at the qb position. Currently projected as mid-2nd round pick. If he wows at the combine might go higher. His biggest negative is that he had no support, the Stanford program really being bad the last couple years.
 
Thanks for that name. He looks really good from the highlight videos I saw just now. A bit "happy feet" and a little "reckless" but I think it's because his pocket was collapsing quite a bit and he seemed to salvage a lot of plays.

I liked his double play actions too. Looks definitely like a WCO guy.

Some plays in the video I watched he threaded needles really well, hit the right spots away from defenders hands, etc.

Seems to have nice arm strength and size too.

What are the knocks on him besides the team sucking? How's his drive, work ethic, intelligence, etc?

EDIT: Just read that he overcame cancer and did/does missionary work out of the country. Well, that speaks volumes to his resiliency and character. I'd be scared of a recurrence, not gonna lie. Of course that's just due to personal stories with friends and relatives having recurring cancers.

Color me impressed.
 
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badboy said:
And I agree with you on Watson but I don't call him names and say players from Clemson are trash or Nigerians are less.
I have answered your questions about Young by pointing to his skill sets and his stats and you only reply that he is a midget.
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So Young's stats in college makes you think he will be able to do what no other QB his size has EVER been able to do. That's a bad bet, IMHO
 
Didn't realize he was so little. Just wondering if players like Bosa smack him head on a couple times in any game, how long he would last. If he's unable to run out of the pocket for any reason with a leg injury, I would worry that he would become ineffective. Hey Doug Flutie, what do you think?
 
TheMatrix31 said:
What are the knocks on him besides the team sucking?
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I don't think Stanford did a good job of developing McKee. He was heavily pressured and relied on the check down more and more. McKee is mobile enough to escape pressure and move in the pocket, but not a dual threat. He needs to go to a team good at developing QBs. Kirk Cousins is his ceiling comp, and the Vikings would be a good landing spot in the 2nd.
 
badboy said:
RB is truly deep but drop off after Robinson. I also have Zach Charbonnet in round 3. 6'1" 4.41 projected . 1359 yards @ 7 with 14 TDs and can catch.
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Yes, could argue Bijan is most talented player in the draft, but RB position pulls him down. I agree there is a fall off, but that is not because the RB's are bad, Bijan is just that special. I just did a mock and traded up at 26 to get Bijan, if he falls that low I would be shocked and hope Texans would make a move up from their 2nd pick if something like that happens even though our RB #1 is solid. Need at least 1 RB this year from the draft and another from UDFA I think. Would not target Bijan unless he falls as we need a good compliment to Pierce, not a replacement, and can be found in 3rd or 4th
 
Rich Schmidt said:
Yes, could argue Bijan is most talented player in the draft, but RB position pulls him down. I agree there is a fall off, but that is not because the RB's are bad, Bijan is just that special. I just did a mock and traded up at 26 to get Bijan, if he falls that low I would be shocked and hope Texans would make a move up from their 2nd pick if something like that happens even though our RB #1 is solid. Need at least 1 RB this year from the draft and another from UDFA I think. Would not target Bijan unless he falls as we need a good compliment to Pierce, not a replacement, and can be found in 3rd or 4th
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While I love Bijan, I think we have other needs that are more of a priority. I think we can find a good complication to our backfield in the 4-6th rounds.
 
New Texans coach DeMeco Ryans confirmed the team will be adding to its quarterback room.
Ryans was diplomatic when confirming the obvious at his introductory press conference. "We understand we have one quarterback here on our roster (Davis Mills) and we have to add more to that position," Ryans said. "The quarterback is one piece." A third-round rookie overachiever in 2021, Mills not only plateaued as a sophomore, he regressed. Mills' 15 picks led the league. His supporting cast was an issue, but Mills did nothing to elevate it. With the Texans in position to draft a new franchise quarterback, the question for Mills isn't if he will start, but if the new coaching staff even wants him as the No. 2.
https://twitter.com/x/status/1621273811109699586
 
TexanBorn51 said:
New Texans coach DeMeco Ryans confirmed the team will be adding to its quarterback room.
Ryans was diplomatic when confirming the obvious at his introductory press conference. "We understand we have one quarterback here on our roster (Davis Mills) and we have to add more to that position," Ryans said. "The quarterback is one piece." A third-round rookie overachiever in 2021, Mills not only plateaued as a sophomore, he regressed. Mills' 15 picks led the league. His supporting cast was an issue, but Mills did nothing to elevate it. With the Texans in position to draft a new franchise quarterback, the question for Mills isn't if he will start, but if the new coaching staff even wants him as the No. 2.
https://twitter.com/x/status/1621273811109699586
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As we can see a lot of people read that statement totally different. And I can tell you it’s because of what people wants.
 
TexanBorn51 said:
New Texans coach DeMeco Ryans confirmed the team will be adding to its quarterback room.
Ryans was diplomatic when confirming the obvious at his introductory press conference. "We understand we have one quarterback here on our roster (Davis Mills) and we have to add more to that position," Ryans said. "The quarterback is one piece." A third-round rookie overachiever in 2021, Mills not only plateaued as a sophomore, he regressed. Mills' 15 picks led the league. His supporting cast was an issue, but Mills did nothing to elevate it. With the Texans in position to draft a new franchise quarterback, the question for Mills isn't if he will start, but if the new coaching staff even wants him as the No. 2.
https://twitter.com/x/status/1621273811109699586
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My sense after listening to all of the DeMeco interviews yesterday is I would not be surprised if the Texans did not draft a QB in RD 1. Yes they have to add 2 QBs to the roster but my interpretation of DeMeco's comments is that could happen via FA and day 2 or 3 of the draft. Would that be the first shockwave of the draft?
 
otisbean said:
Question, how many QBs have their been in the past 20 yrs that are his size and have his talent level?
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Depends on what you think his talent level is?

If you are tiny you better have great movement skills. I would say Murray has more God given ability than Young. Manziel did too. Flutie had the most success of all of the tiny QB's and I think that's Young's ceiling and that's not championship quality.
 
Texian said:
My sense after listening to all of the DeMeco interviews yesterday is I would not be surprised if the Texans did not draft a QB in RD 1. Yes they have to add 2 QBs to the roster but my interpretation of DeMeco's comments is that could happen via FA and day 2 or 3 of the draft. Would that be the first shockwave of the draft?
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I don't think it would be a shockwave to knowledgeable Texans fans on this forum. But it would be to the national media guys who are unanimously picking the Texans to draft QB at #2. So the Texans passing on QB @ #2 would be perceived as a 'shockwave'.

I could see it going either way as well. I still think picking a high lottery QB is the most likely scenario, but guessing the odds of that have declined with Ryans coming aboard. Ryans may not have final say, but he's going to have a big say. And I'm assuming as a defensive guy and analyzing how badly the Texans sucked on that side of the ball - particularly LB and cornerstone type DL - he may vouche to shore up that end first. But who knows. Maybe he thinks better QB play will help the defense, even if there's no guarantee better QB play arrives...
 
Folks.....can't believe I've missed out on RB- Sean Tucker (Syracuse). 5-10 @ 205 lbs and speed for days. Quote; NFL Scouting Report: "A former 55m, 100m, and 200m sprint champion, Tucker has legitimate track speed. As we’ve seen before, that doesn’t always translate to the football field, but in the Syracuse RB’s case, it most certainly does". Watching his cut and go running style sure sends me back to the days of watching Tony Dorsett. He's also a fantastic receiver out of the backfield. I've included a video for those interested:

 
TexanBorn51 said:
New Texans coach DeMeco Ryans confirmed the team will be adding to its quarterback room.
Ryans was diplomatic when confirming the obvious at his introductory press conference. "We understand we have one quarterback here on our roster (Davis Mills) and we have to add more to that position," Ryans said. "The quarterback is one piece." A third-round rookie overachiever in 2021, Mills not only plateaued as a sophomore, he regressed. Mills' 15 picks led the league. His supporting cast was an issue, but Mills did nothing to elevate it. With the Texans in position to draft a new franchise quarterback, the question for Mills isn't if he will start, but if the new coaching staff even wants him as the No. 2.
https://twitter.com/x/status/1621273811109699586
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That was a really deep read into a simple statement. That statement did not allude to how he and Caserio would be adding to the QB Room.....didn't even mention their plans for Mills. Maybe their plan is a veteran FA, maybe the draft, and/or maybe both.
 
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