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Nick Caserio - New GM

Texian said:
But if you have a GM who can’t balance a checkbook, is fiscally irresponsible, a poor fiduciary, and behaves like a teenage girl at the mall with Daddy’s credit card, what does it matter?

Nick Caserio can stand at a podium and talk for an hour and not say anything that is coherent or makes any sense. This pretty much sums up the Texans for the last 2 years. It’s amazing how many people are just now figuring this out. Caserio will soon be gone.
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I would say having the 7th most cap space and the ability to add 30-35 mil more if needed, means he can manage the cap well.

He learned under Belichick. What would you want him to say at the Lovie PC?
 
steelbtexan said:
I would say having the 7th most cap space and the ability to add 30-35 mil more if needed, means he can manage the cap well.

He learned under Belichick. What would you want him to say at the Lovie PC?
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What he learned from Belichick was how to file scouting reports in a manner in which Belichick wanted them filed. Roster management, salary cap management, and contract negotiations were never part of Caserio's job responsibilities. This is a perfect example that illustrates so well how all of the Belichick admins and facilitators are a case study in patterns of failures.
 
Texian said:
What he learned from Belichick was how to file scouting reports in a manner in which Belichick wanted them filed. Roster management, salary cap management, and contract negotiations were never part of Caserio's job responsibilities. This is a perfect example that illustrates so well how all of the Belichick admins and facilitators are a case study in patterns of failures.
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Well he seems a lot like Belichick at the PC.

7th most cap space with the ability to create 30-35 mil more tells me he's fiscally responsible and can manage the cap.

I liked his last draft and I'm looking forward to this yrs draft.
 
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I would say what I've heard over the past few days pretty much destroys the narrative that SteelB and a few other of our posters have. This notion that Cal hires all the coaches. Poof. Gone. These coaching hires are on the GM, period. Nick saying yesterday and this morning that it's my responsibility to find the guy and make my recommendation. I mean I could go on. But let's knock it off with this nonsense. The GM was, is, and will be, responsible for leading the search for the HC, and will make that recommendation to the owners - Janice, Hannah, and Cal will then sign off on it. Nothing different from any other coaching hire in the NFL.

The only difference this time is that Cal will be MORE involved in the actual search process. The inference being he hasn't been very involved prior. Probably because he's tired of crappy candidates like Hines Ward and Josh HS McClown. I mean it's been a laugh a minute joke-a-thon under NC. Now that Cal is involved, we've actually got a damn good list of potential hires. Serious guys that could be a long term answer. Enough of the NC clown show. I don't dislike Nick honestly - I actually like him when he relaxes and opens up a bit like I heard this morning. That said, his HC hires have been nothing short of a total clown show and a disaster. He's got to nail this one, or he's toast.
 
Porky said:
I would say what I've heard over the past few days pretty much destroys the narrative that SteelB and a few other of our posters have. - AKA The KOOL AID BRIGADE

The only difference this time is that Cal will be MORE involved in the actual search process.
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My takeaway from the recent press conference is Cal is engaged in the selection process and is personally participating in, and conducting the interviews.
 
Porky said:
I would say what I've heard over the past few days pretty much destroys the narrative that SteelB and a few other of our posters have. This notion that Cal hires all the coaches. Poof. Gone. These coaching hires are on the GM, period. Nick saying yesterday and this morning that it's my responsibility to find the guy and make my recommendation. I mean I could go on. But let's knock it off with this nonsense. The GM was, is, and will be, responsible for leading the search for the HC, and will make that recommendation to the owners - Janice, Hannah, and Cal will then sign off on it. Nothing different from any other coaching hire in the NFL.

The only difference this time is that Cal will be MORE involved in the actual search process. The inference being he hasn't been very involved prior. Probably because he's tired of crappy candidates like Hines Ward and Josh HS McClown. I mean it's been a laugh a minute joke-a-thon under NC. Now that Cal is involved, we've actually got a damn good list of potential hires. Serious guys that could be a long term answer. Enough of the NC clown show. I don't dislike Nick honestly - I actually like him when he relaxes and opens up a bit like I heard this morning. That said, his HC hires have been nothing short of a total clown show and a disaster. He's got to nail this one, or he's toast.
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Question - if Cal says to Nick find me a a new HC who will take Lovie on as DC and Nick comes back empty handed who is at fault there?

You had two final recommendations to Cal - Gannon (Caserio) and McCown (Easterby). They ended up with Lovie. Why? Because the guy Caserio wanted pulled out after being forced with Lovie.

Now - conveniently enough - that stipulation or prerequisite is off the table and Hannah, err I mean Cal will be more involved in the search.

Don’t you think that will set up Cal and fans with the false impression that he did something good?

That’s why they are doing it. Hannah knows that Cal is perceived as a buffoon and is desperate to change that view in the eyes of the fans. Hamburgers, uniform changes, and now being in charge of the Coach search when the franchise has cleared off all the dead cap land still has 4 first round draft picks and no Lovie.

Caserio has made mistakes but the past the coaching search is on Cal. And this coaching search is looking better because no Lovie baggage and the attractiveness of the salary cap, draft picks and new talent on roster.

Don’t get fooled by the clown show because you will end up being a clown.
 
steelbtexan said:
Well he seems a lot little Belichick at the PC.

7th most cap space with the ability to create 30-35 mil more tells me he's fiscally responsible and can manage the cap.

I liked his last draft and I'm looking forward to this yrs draft.
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If you can imagine for just a moment, on January 6th, 2021, that you didn't fall in love with Nick Caserio.
 
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Texian said:
I think Nick has come to the realization that he is in way over his head. He looks like a defeated man. He was never prepared to be a GM in the NFL. He's completely lost on how to build a roster, how to negotiate a contract, and how to manage the salary cap. These are things he never had to do in New England. Just like all the other failed Belichick admins and facilitators. There is a very strong pattern of FAILURE here and you would think owners would finally be able to figure this out but so many have not.
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When Bill O'Brien is clearly the most successful branch of your coaching tree. . .

I respect the NE dynasty, but now having seen so many coaches and front office execs flounder when the leave, what is clear is that they train their people to do what needs to be done within their organization, but have zero desire to train them to be successful anywhere else.

I would stay far, far away from anyone coming from NE in the future.

Find a Shanahan tree to get fruit from. They clearly have the attitude of prepping coaches for bigger and better things. That all comes from Bill Walsh, a true teaching coach for both players and coaches.

michaelm said:
I'm not questioning what you're saying but where is all the information coming from that makes people think Hanna is running the show?
I'm not doubting it, but I haven't heard a peep about it, except on this board
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I think a lot of it is just fans blinding grabbing for anything that can even be slightly perceived as "hope".

She turned her back on the pervert! She's the power!!! *wishful thinking*

My own take is Easterby's sudden departure left a giant gaping hole in Cal that needed a new puppetmaster. Hannah seems to have those strings firmly in her grasp now.

And if so, why not? Can't be much worse than the clown show we've been watching for the past several years.

Porky said:
I would say what I've heard over the past few days pretty much destroys the narrative that SteelB and a few other of our posters have. This notion that Cal hires all the coaches. Poof. Gone. These coaching hires are on the GM, period. Nick saying yesterday and this morning that it's my responsibility to find the guy and make my recommendation. I mean I could go on. But let's knock it off with this nonsense. The GM was, is, and will be, responsible for leading the search for the HC, and will make that recommendation to the owners - Janice, Hannah, and Cal will then sign off on it. Nothing different from any other coaching hire in the NFL.

The only difference this time is that Cal will be MORE involved in the actual search process. The inference being he hasn't been very involved prior. Probably because he's tired of crappy candidates like Hines Ward and Josh HS McClown. I mean it's been a laugh a minute joke-a-thon under NC. Now that Cal is involved, we've actually got a damn good list of potential hires. Serious guys that could be a long term answer. Enough of the NC clown show. I don't dislike Nick honestly - I actually like him when he relaxes and opens up a bit like I heard this morning. That said, his HC hires have been nothing short of a total clown show and a disaster. He's got to nail this one, or he's toast.
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What you are surmising completely ignores the history of this franchise.

Of course the McNairs were involved! They have always ran their front office like an executive corporate boardroom. That model was described by Bob McNair himself. It's his background and where he feels comfortable. Janice/Cal did not change anything other than who got a seat at that table.

It is naive to act like they gave Caserio the power without any oversight or direct involvement. Even fans looking in from the outside know these owners are meddlers. They have been since 2002.
 
Double Barrel said:
When Bill O'Brien is clearly the most successful branch of your coaching tree. . .

I respect the NE dynasty, but now having seen so many coaches and front office execs flounder when the leave, what is clear is that they train their people to do what needs to be done within their organization, but have zero desire to train them to be successful anywhere else.

I would stay far, far away from anyone coming from NE in the future.

Find a Shanahan tree to get fruit from. They clearly have the attitude of prepping coaches for bigger and better things. That all comes from Bill Walsh, a true teaching coach for both players and coaches.



I think a lot of it is just fans blinding grabbing for anything that can even be slightly perceived as "hope".

She turned her back on the pervert! She's the power!!! *wishful thinking*

My own take is Easterby's sudden departure left a giant gaping hole in Cal that needed a new puppetmaster. Hannah seems to have those strings firmly in her grasp now.

And if so, why not? Can't be much worse than the clown show we've been watching for the past several years.



What you are surmising completely ignores the history of this franchise.

Of course the McNairs were involved! They have always ran their front office like an executive corporate boardroom. That model was described by Bob McNair himself. It's his background and where he feels comfortable. Janice/Cal did not change anything other than who got a seat at that table.

It is naive to act like they gave Caserio the power without any oversight or direct involvement. Even fans looking in from the outside know these owners are meddlers. They have been since 2002.
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IMO I don't think Cal is the meddler his Dad was. Cal is lazy, so he was just going thru the motions acting like his Dad without really being involved as his Dad was. Cal lives in the moment and has no plan, short or long term. He was a 20% owner. With O'Brien on board, Jack Easterby soon followed. With O'Brien gone and Caserio the new GM (Hannah was happy) Cal probably thought he could go back to playing video games and the dynamic duo from New England had everything under control. Cal was just a rubber stamp. After 2 fiascos HC searches Cal began to wake up and after the 2022 season, Cal was fully awake and knew the Dynamic Duo from New England was a disaster. This led to the Monday PC, Cal becoming more involved and Caserio throwing himself at the mercy of the court.
 
Texian said:
IMO I don't think Cal is the meddler his Dad was. Cal is lazy, so he was just going thru the motions acting like his Dad without really being involved as his Dad was. He was a 20% owner. With O'Brien on board, Jack Easterby soon followed. With O'Brien gone and Caserio the new GM (Hannah was happy) Cal probably thought he could go back to playing video games and the dynamic duo from New England had everything under control. Cal was just a rubber stamp. After 2 fiascos HC searches Cal began to wake up and after the 2022 season, Cal was fully awake and knew the Dynamic Duo from New England was a disaster. This led to the Monday PC, Cal becoming more involved and Caserio throwing himself at the mercy of the court.
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I don't know, man. Maybe Cal is just not as successful at the meddling.

I'm thinking of the Easterby debacle. That's on Cal. Same with Brian Gaine getting fired so abruptly because of Easterby.

O'Brien being promoted to GM after a historical playoff choke? That's on Cal.

Fired him later that same year after four games into season? That's Cal.

Losing one of the best capologists in the NFL (Chris Olsen). Fingers point to Cal.

Giving pervert a NTC clause and $110 guaranteed? Yep, more Cal.

Insisting on Lovie as DC last year for any new HC? Cal

Hiring David Culley and Lovie Smith as HC? Cal

Even if others were influential in those decisions, the buck ultimately stops at Cal. That's why he's doing this "goodwill" press tour. He's grasping for anything to make people perceive him differently. Unfortunately, his words only reveal that he's going to meddle even harder this time. lol
 
texanhead08 said:
I don't think he is going to be fired this year but his seat is a lot warmer now. He needs to hit it big with the #2 pick and the head coach hire or he will be gone soon.
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Any new good coach worth his weight is going to make that #2 pick. Nick simply does not have the gonads to take command and he doesn't know how. He will forever be a Belichick step-and-fetch-it.
 
Double Barrel said:
I respect the NE dynasty, but now having seen so many coaches and front office execs flounder when the leave, what is clear is that they train their people to do what needs to be done within their organization, but have zero desire to train them to be successful anywhere else.
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Belichick has turned the concept of osmosis on its head.
 
TexansBull said:
You had two final recommendations to Cal - Gannon (Caserio) and McCown (Easterby). They ended up with Lovie. Why? Because the guy Caserio wanted pulled out after being forced with Lovie.
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Kind of.

It's not like he "chose" Gannon. Gannon was the last one on the list. Everyone was already hired or eliminated because of PC issues.

It was like, "Well Cal, Gannon is the only one left on the list so I guess we'll have to let Lovie go."

& Cal was like, "No. See if Lovie will take the job."
 
Texian said:
If you can imagine for just a moment, on January 6th, 2021, you didn't fall in love with Nick Caserio.
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I'm not in love with Caserio, in fact I would've drafted much differently than Caserio did. Although I did like the last draft. Where I think we disagree is that Caserio has done a good job with cap. IMHO. 7th most cap space and the ability to create another 30-35 mil pretty easily if needed. That's being fiscally responsible. IMHO

Also I dont blame him for the HC hires. He recommended Gannon and Cal said no, we're hiring Lovie.

This was always going to be a 2 yr cleanup after BOB was let go. The cleanup is done and that's why I think the job is attractive, A bevy of high draft picks and plenty of cap space bodes well for the future.

BTW, you never did answer, what would you have liked Caserio to say in the Lovie PC?
 
Porky said:
I would say what I've heard over the past few days pretty much destroys the narrative that SteelB and a few other of our posters have. This notion that Cal hires all the coaches. Poof. Gone. These coaching hires are on the GM, period. Nick saying yesterday and this morning that it's my responsibility to find the guy and make my recommendation. I mean I could go on. But let's knock it off with this nonsense. The GM was, is, and will be, responsible for leading the search for the HC, and will make that recommendation to the owners - Janice, Hannah, and Cal will then sign off on it. Nothing different from any other coaching hire in the NFL.

The only difference this time is that Cal will be MORE involved in the actual search process. The inference being he hasn't been very involved prior. Probably because he's tired of crappy candidates like Hines Ward and Josh HS McClown. I mean it's been a laugh a minute joke-a-thon under NC. Now that Cal is involved, we've actually got a damn good list of potential hires. Serious guys that could be a long term answer. Enough of the NC clown show. I don't dislike Nick honestly - I actually like him when he relaxes and opens up a bit like I heard this morning. That said, his HC hires have been nothing short of a total clown show and a disaster. He's got to nail this one, or he's toast.
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He did recommend Gannon and Cal chose Lovie over Caserio's recommendation.
 
Double Barrel said:
When Bill O'Brien is clearly the most successful branch of your coaching tree. . .

I respect the NE dynasty, but now having seen so many coaches and front office execs flounder when the leave, what is clear is that they train their people to do what needs to be done within their organization, but have zero desire to train them to be successful anywhere else.

I would stay far, far away from anyone coming from NE in the future.

Find a Shanahan tree to get fruit from. They clearly have the attitude of prepping coaches for bigger and better things. That all comes from Bill Walsh, a true teaching coach for both players and coaches.



I think a lot of it is just fans blinding grabbing for anything that can even be slightly perceived as "hope".

She turned her back on the pervert! She's the power!!! *wishful thinking*

My own take is Easterby's sudden departure left a giant gaping hole in Cal that needed a new puppetmaster. Hannah seems to have those strings firmly in her grasp now.

And if so, why not? Can't be much worse than the clown show we've been watching for the past several years.



What you are surmising completely ignores the history of this franchise.

Of course the McNairs were involved! They have always ran their front office like an executive corporate boardroom. That model was described by Bob McNair himself. It's his background and where he feels comfortable. Janice/Cal did not change anything other than who got a seat at that table.

It is naive to act like they gave Caserio the power without any oversight or direct involvement. Even fans looking in from the outside know these owners are meddlers. They have been since 2002.
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Great post

I've been saying the the McNair's were hands on owners since 2010. I was called some pretty nasty things because of my opinions on this topic.
 
thunderkyss said:
Kind of.

It's not like he "chose" Gannon. Gannon was the last one on the list. Everyone was already hired or eliminated because of PC issues.

It was like, "Well Cal, Gannon is the only one left on the list so I guess we'll have to let Lovie go."

& Cal was like, "No. See if Lovie will take the job."
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Flash forward 12 months -

Cal asks Caserio “Why did you hire Lovie? I need to be more involved. “
 
steelbtexan said:
I'm not in love with Caserio, in fact I would've drafted much differently than Caserio did. Although I did like the last draft. Where I think we disagree is that Caserio has done a good job with cap. IMHO. 7th most cap space and the ability to create another 30-35 mil pretty easily if needed. That's being fiscally responsible. IMHO

Also I dont blame him for the HC hires. He recommended Gannon and Cal said no, we're hiring Lovie.

This was always going to be a 2 yr cleanup after BOB was let go. The cleanup is done and that's why I think the job is attractive, A bevy of high draft picks and plenty of cap space bodes well for the future.

BTW, you never did answer, what would you have liked Caserio to say in the Lovie PC?
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So you can't imagine not falling in love with Caserio the day you met him? :)
 
Double Barrel said:
I don't know, man. Maybe Cal is just not as successful at the meddling.

I'm thinking of the Easterby debacle. That's on Cal. Same with Brian Gaine getting fired so abruptly because of Easterby. O'Brien is responsible for bringing in Easterby

O'Brien being promoted to GM after a historical playoff choke? That's on Cal. Cal was buffaloed by Easterby.

Fired him later that same year after four games into season? That's Cal. That's on JJ Watt

Losing one of the best capologists in the NFL (Chris Olsen). Fingers point to Cal. At power hungry Easterby's urging

Giving pervert a NTC clause and $110 guaranteed? Yep, more Cal. Easterby's idea.

Insisting on Lovie as DC last year for any new HC? Cal I'll give you this one but Easterby may have been involved

Hiring David Culley and Lovie Smith as HC? Cal Culley was a Cal rubber stamp, Lovie was when clueless Cal first woke up to the disaster of Caserio & Easterby

Even if others were influential in those decisions, the buck ultimately stops at Cal. That's why he's doing this "goodwill" press tour. He's grasping for anything to make people perceive him differently. Unfortunately, his words only reveal that he's going to meddle even harder this time. lol
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Answers in BOLD above^^^ Agree the buck stops with Cal but since Bob died Cal has been walking around in a clueless haze and a lost soul. Cal really had no clue as to what he was supposed to do after Bob died. Cal was flying by the seat of his pants. Cal was all to happy to oblige when someone said, sign here Cal, never knowing what questions to ask. Cal came out of his trance after the 2nd HC search fiasco. Just because Cal has now decided to become more engaged (meddle) I don't expect the mindset to change. Times change, people don't. I'm expecting more of the same because that is all Cal knows. We need to have a meeting on Monday morning in the NRG boardroom. Cal will bring the donuts and coffee. :) All IMO
 
NC hasn’t done enough to warrant keeping him around, clean house 100%. And for the love of god, stop trying to make this NE square peg fit in a round hole. Has the league not see enough evidence by now that their people go from gold to fools gold as soon as they leave?
 
I’m happy with Nick, he Really deserves so much credit from what the media and the some on the board have given him. BOB’s cap mess, McCown nonsense, JE, and Watson. He had no choice but to trade a pervert with a NTC and deal with all the drama that went along with it. No young and upcoming coach wanted to interview here. Why are some so surprised we have good candidates to interview now? To say he is on the hot seat is ridiculous. Hopefully he does not want to get leave the Texans…it would just add to the list of dysfunction that’s constantly happening within this organization.
 
Mariotexan said:
I’m happy with Nick, he Really deserves so much credit from what the media and the some on the board have given him. BOB’s cap mess, McCown nonsense, JE, and Watson. He had no choice but to trade a pervert with a NTC and deal with all the drama that went along with it. No young and upcoming coach wanted to interview here. Why are some so surprised we have good candidates to interview now? To say he is on the hot seat is ridiculous. Hopefully he does not want to get leave the Texans…it would just add to the list of dysfunction that’s constantly happening within this organization.
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Solid observation.

I to believe the Texans probably have the best situation overall to offer. Damm near a perfectly clean canvas to begin working with.

Other jobs might offer the better opportunity immediately, but at some point their contracts and cap issues will rear their ugly heads. HC candidates are going to have to weigh their window of opportunity against the Texans opportunity of building a team for the long haul.
 
Texian said:
Answers in BOLD above^^^ Agree the buck stops with Cal but since Bob died Cal has been walking around in a clueless haze and a lost soul. Cal really had no clue as to what he was supposed to do after Bob died. Cal was flying by the seat of his pants. Cal was all to happy to oblige when someone said, sign here Cal, never knowing what questions to ask. Cal came out of his trance after the 2nd HC search fiasco. Just because Cal has now decided to become more engaged (meddle) I don't expect the mindset to change. Times change, people don't. I'm expecting more of the same because that is all Cal knows. We need to have a meeting on Monday morning in the NRG boardroom. Cal will bring the donuts and coffee. :) All IMO
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I am not sure that Cal mcnair has come out of haze as I think Janice is putting Hannah forward as the face of the organization Ownership.
 
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He did recommend Gannon and Cal chose Lovie over Caserio's recommendation.
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Wrong. Casserio wanted Flores, not Gannon. Gannon was the last guy standing after Flores started flinging around lawsuits. So, I wouldn't say he wanted Gannon. He was a 2nd choice at best and nobody was left. Nick was a Flores guy for sure - NE connections.

Gannon said heck no when controlling Casserio said I'm going to select your DC (at the least, and perhaps more). Whether Nick or Cal wanted Lovie I don't know - you've speculated Cal with no evidence to back it up. All I know is someone demanded that Lovie be the DC, and Gannon said you want me to work with a relic from the paleo era? No thanks.

Then Easterbunny got involved and Cal loves him some Easterbunny. EB says, hey Cal, how about McCown. He'd make a great HC.

After Nick did whatever he could do to persuade Cal against McCown...Cal says heck no. Now they are in no man's land. They have no candidates, they look like a bunch of clueless idiots, all the other good candidates are gone, you've burned your bridge with Gannon, Flores is too hot to the touch, and it's desperation time and the clock is ticking. It didn't help that they waited forever to ditch Culley...which only happened because Flores was chunked overboard. The original plan was 2 years of Culley but Car Stereo loves Flores. Flores was his guy - zero doubt in my mind. So then Cal says someone has to be the HC! Help!

So out of pure desperation, they turn to Lovie to save the day. Lovie isn't dumb. He knew he was dead man walking, but he took the job for the dough and out of ego...thinking well I'll end up showing up and showing out, and they will retain me. Sorry Lovie. That idea failed. But you've still got your $$$ and took Cal to the cleaners when dumbass Cal got desperate.

This is what happened last year. Whether Cal had an ephinany or a brain transplant, he's actually done a 180 this year. Not having Easterbunny in his ear helps, but they tossed Lovie before the plane touched down, the candidate list is excellent, and things are running like a well-oiled machine. It's a remarkable difference when you consider the last two years.
 
Porky said:
Wrong. Casserio wanted Flores, not Gannon. Gannon was the last guy standing after Flores started flinging around lawsuits. So, I wouldn't say he wanted Gannon. He was a 2nd choice at best and nobody was left. Nick was a Flores guy for sure - NE connections.

Gannon said heck no when controlling Casserio said I'm going to select your DC (at the least, and perhaps more). Whether Nick or Cal wanted Lovie I don't know - you've speculated Cal with no evidence to back it up. All I know is someone demanded that Lovie be the DC, and Gannon said you want me to work with a relic from the paleo era? No thanks.

Then Easterbunny got involved and Cal loves him some Easterbunny. EB says, hey Cal, how about McCown. He'd make a great HC.

After Nick did whatever he could do to persuade Cal against McCown...Cal says heck no. Now they are in no man's land. They have no candidates, they look like a bunch of clueless idiots, all the other good candidates are gone, you've burned your bridge with Gannon, Flores is too hot to the touch, and it's desperation time and the clock is ticking. It didn't help that they waited forever to ditch Culley...which only happened because Flores was chunked overboard. The original plan was 2 years of Culley but Car Stereo loves Flores. Flores was his guy - zero doubt in my mind. So then Cal says someone has to be the HC! Help!

So out of pure desperation, they turn to Lovie to save the day. Lovie isn't dumb. He knew he was dead man walking, but he took the job for the dough and out of ego...thinking well I'll end up showing up and showing out, and they will retain me. Sorry Lovie. That idea failed. But you've still got your $$$ and took Cal to the cleaners when dumbass Cal got desperate.

This is what happened last year. Whether Cal had an ephinany or a brain transplant, he's actually done a 180 this year. Not having Easterbunny in his ear helps, but they tossed Lovie before the plane touched down, the candidate list is excellent, and things are running like a well-oiled machine. It's a remarkable difference when you consider the last two years.
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Sounds very plausible. Like you there is no doubt that Caserio planned to hire Flores right up until he added the Texans to his lawsuit. I just don't know whose idea it was to retain Lovie... that sounded like a Cal move to me
 
Texian said:
Answers in BOLD above^^^ Agree the buck stops with Cal but since Bob died Cal has been walking around in a clueless haze and a lost soul. Cal really had no clue as to what he was supposed to do after Bob died. Cal was flying by the seat of his pants. Cal was all to happy to oblige when someone said, sign here Cal, never knowing what questions to ask. Cal came out of his trance after the 2nd HC search fiasco. Just because Cal has now decided to become more engaged (meddle) I don't expect the mindset to change. Times change, people don't. I'm expecting more of the same because that is all Cal knows. We need to have a meeting on Monday morning in the NRG boardroom. Cal will bring the donuts and coffee. :) All IMO
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Cal is using smoke screen and mirrors about his "more engaged" comments. It's just marketing spin. He's always been fully engaged in every process. He's spinning this to act like none of the stink is on him. This according to anyone/everyone with insider access, including John McClain, Mark V., Lance Z., John Granato, etc.

I don't believe for a second that he was some helpless, hapless, and clueless owner. That's BS. He's had a seat in the boardroom meetings since 2002. He's just been incompetent at it for the most part. He's learning on the job, which is why he's paying so many millions to former GMs and HCs.
 
Porky said:
Wrong. Casserio wanted Flores, not Gannon. Gannon was the last guy standing after Flores started flinging around lawsuits. So, I wouldn't say he wanted Gannon. He was a 2nd choice at best and nobody was left. Nick was a Flores guy for sure - NE connections.

Gannon said heck no when controlling Casserio said I'm going to select your DC (at the least, and perhaps more). Whether Nick or Cal wanted Lovie I don't know - you've speculated Cal with no evidence to back it up. All I know is someone demanded that Lovie be the DC, and Gannon said you want me to work with a relic from the paleo era? No thanks.

Then Easterbunny got involved and Cal loves him some Easterbunny. EB says, hey Cal, how about McCown. He'd make a great HC.

After Nick did whatever he could do to persuade Cal against McCown...Cal says heck no. Now they are in no man's land. They have no candidates, they look like a bunch of clueless idiots, all the other good candidates are gone, you've burned your bridge with Gannon, Flores is too hot to the touch, and it's desperation time and the clock is ticking. It didn't help that they waited forever to ditch Culley...which only happened because Flores was chunked overboard. The original plan was 2 years of Culley but Car Stereo loves Flores. Flores was his guy - zero doubt in my mind. So then Cal says someone has to be the HC! Help!

So out of pure desperation, they turn to Lovie to save the day. Lovie isn't dumb. He knew he was dead man walking, but he took the job for the dough and out of ego...thinking well I'll end up showing up and showing out, and they will retain me. Sorry Lovie. That idea failed. But you've still got your $$$ and took Cal to the cleaners when dumbass Cal got desperate.

This is what happened last year. Whether Cal had an ephinany or a brain transplant, he's actually done a 180 this year. Not having Easterbunny in his ear helps, but they tossed Lovie before the plane touched down, the candidate list is excellent, and things are running like a well-oiled machine. It's a remarkable difference when you consider the last two years.
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Agreed with most of this. You're correct, Caserio wanted Flores and circled back to Gannon when the Flores stuff happened.

Gannon had the job according to people in the know at the Sr bowl according to reports. What changed? Cal wanting to retain Lovie as DC. You don't think when Caserio and Gannon talked at the Sr Bowl that they didn't discuss who would be on Gannon's staff and came to an agreement that Gannon was the guy?

From what I've heard from 2 different people who would know is, Caserio wanted Gannon after Flores backed out. Janice/Easterby wanted McCown and Cal wanted Lovie to remain on staff as DC. After Gannon backed out Janice/Easterby we're about to make McCown the next HC, but because of all of the heat Cal was taking from all corners in the media, he threatened to resign if McCown was named the next HC. Janice relented and because there were no more candidates at that point Cal made Lovie the HC.

This org is so screwed up. It's why I hope Payton becomes the next HC. All of this stuff would stop immediately if Payton was in charge. I like Kalfka more than Payton as a HC candidate. But Payton needs to be the next HC if you want the McNair's to be forced to stop the dysfunction. This has nothing to do with who is the better HC candidate.

It's why the McNair's should do whatever it takes to keep Payton in the building when he comes into the building. Will they do whatever it takes to make Payton the next HC? Not a chance.

BTW, if Payton were to become the next HC/leader of the org, the Not Texans Worthy thing would be a thing of the past.
 
Double Barrel said:
Cal is using smoke screen and mirrors about his "more engaged" comments. It's just marketing spin. He's always been fully engaged in every process. He's spinning this to act like none of the stink is on him. This according to anyone/everyone with insider access, including John McClain, Mark V., Lance Z., John Granato, etc.

I don't believe for a second that he was some helpless, hapless, and clueless owner. That's BS. He's had a seat in the boardroom meetings since 2002. He's just been incompetent at it for the most part. He's learning on the job, which is why he's paying so many millions to former GMs and HCs.
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The fact that he's been learning from his dad since 2002'and has screwed up this badly speaks volumes. Caserio is currently taking heat for Cal's screwups.
 
SteelB - good post. But WHO threatened to resign? Cal? Why would an owner resign? I'm not sure that's clear. But all in all, we're in general agreement on this set of facts with some very minor details I'm not sure we align on. But yes, all in all, I think we're on the same page. I also agree with your take on Payton...but what about the compensation? I just can't give up a first-rounder when this team needs talent badly.
 
steelbtexan said:
The fact that he's been learning from his dad since 2002'and has screwed up this badly speaks volumes. Caserio is currently taking heat for Cal's screwups.
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Exactly. Caserio knows he's being held accountable by a public and media that does not realize the full impact of meddling owners.

I do not believe for a second that the last two head coaches were anything close to what Caserio would want as a GM. The franchise was being reactive to situations created long before Caserio arrived on the scene. He's just now getting it all cleaned up two years later.
 
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Exactly. Caserio knows he's being held accountable by a public and media that does not realize the full impact of meddling owners.

I do not believe for a second that the last two head coaches were anything close to what Caserio would want as a GM. The franchise was being reactive to situations created long before Caserio arrived on the scene. He's just now getting it all cleaned up two years later.
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In addition to this Caserio having to deal with this, he had to deal with the Derrick situation and cleaning the cap. Regardless of what some think, Caserio has been setup to fail. Sad thing is he's the best personnel type GM the Texans org has ever had and I'm really looking forward to this yrs draft/FA.
 
Porky said:
Wrong. Casserio wanted Flores, not Gannon. Gannon was the last guy standing after Flores started flinging around lawsuits. So, I wouldn't say he wanted Gannon. He was a 2nd choice at best and nobody was left. Nick was a Flores guy for sure - NE connections.

Gannon said heck no when controlling Casserio said I'm going to select your DC (at the least, and perhaps more). Whether Nick or Cal wanted Lovie I don't know - you've speculated Cal with no evidence to back it up. All I know is someone demanded that Lovie be the DC, and Gannon said you want me to work with a relic from the paleo era? No thanks.

Then Easterbunny got involved and Cal loves him some Easterbunny. EB says, hey Cal, how about McCown. He'd make a great HC.

After Nick did whatever he could do to persuade Cal against McCown...Cal says heck no. Now they are in no man's land. They have no candidates, they look like a bunch of clueless idiots, all the other good candidates are gone, you've burned your bridge with Gannon, Flores is too hot to the touch, and it's desperation time and the clock is ticking. It didn't help that they waited forever to ditch Culley...which only happened because Flores was chunked overboard. The original plan was 2 years of Culley but Car Stereo loves Flores. Flores was his guy - zero doubt in my mind. So then Cal says someone has to be the HC! Help!

So out of pure desperation, they turn to Lovie to save the day. Lovie isn't dumb. He knew he was dead man walking, but he took the job for the dough and out of ego...thinking well I'll end up showing up and showing out, and they will retain me. Sorry Lovie. That idea failed. But you've still got your $$$ and took Cal to the cleaners when dumbass Cal got desperate.

This is what happened last year. Whether Cal had an ephinany or a brain transplant, he's actually done a 180 this year. Not having Easterbunny in his ear helps, but they tossed Lovie before the plane touched down, the candidate list is excellent, and things are running like a well-oiled machine. It's a remarkable difference when you consider the last two years.
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Again Lovie was McNair’s choice. He wanted to keep him on as the DC. But when Caserio and Preacher couldn’t make a decision, Cal told them Lovie will be the head coach. They were the second team who fired their coach (Culley). And basically the last the last team to hire their new coach.
 
When you look at last years 1st round picks they don’t look as impressive as the later rounds. Pitre/Pierce/others

That tells me that is evidence to the theory Lovie had the first pick and his OL had the second as rumored.

Caserio may have had the later rounds.

Just something to think about.
 
steelbtexan said:
In addition to this Caserio having to deal with this, he had to deal with the Derrick situation and cleaning the cap. Regardless of what some think, Caserio has been setup to fail. Sad thing is he's the best personnel type GM the Texans org has ever had and I'm really looking forward to this yrs draft/FA.
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Yep. tbh, in my mind, the rebuild is just now starting. For Caserio's first two years, the rebuild was always held back by the Towel Boy situation, hiring temp coaches, salary cap hell, and other front office debacles.

Now he's got the freedom like every other GM to shape his franchise. No other team in NFL history had a star QB being sued by dozens of women locked in a NTC stranglehold. I can't fault him for inheriting a truly deplorable situation. I'm not going to hold the mistakes of others against him.
 
steelbtexan said:
In addition to this Caserio having to deal with this, he had to deal with the Derrick situation and cleaning the cap. Regardless of what some think, Caserio has been setup to fail. Sad thing is he's the best personnel type GM the Texans org has ever had and I'm really looking forward to this yrs draft/FA.
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What exactly would Caserio have to do for you to say, that's it, I've had enough, Nick Caserio has to go?
 
Porky said:
SteelB - good post. But WHO threatened to resign? Cal? Why would an owner resign? I'm not sure that's clear. But all in all, we're in general agreement on this set of facts with some very minor details I'm not sure we align on. But yes, all in all, I think we're on the same page. I also agree with your take on Payton...but what about the compensation? I just can't give up a first-rounder when this team needs talent badly.
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Cal told his momma he was going to quit if McCown was the hire.

I would give up Stingley, 2-33 , 4-103 and a 2nd in 2024.

Is that too much? Probably, but I would overpay to bring credibility back to this franchise.
 
steelbtexan said:
Cal told his momma he was going to quit if McCown was the hire.

I would give up Stingley, 2-33 , 4-103 and a 2nd in 2024.

Is that too much? Probably, but I would overpay to bring credibility back to this franchise.
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Hell to the double no. We need players! Although I was unhappy with Sting, his story hasn't even come close to being written. I'm not giving up on 1.3 after a single season. That's nuts.

I'm ok with a 2nd this year and maybe as high as a 3rd next year, but that's even on the upper high side for me. I'd prefer like a 3 this year and a 5 next. I don't care about credibility, I care about wins. I should say I care about both, but not if the first comes at the expense of the second. There MAY be a slight overlap between them (such as attracting FA's) but in general...last time I looked players play. When Sean Payton can sack a QB, score a TD, or run between the tackles, we'll talk.
 
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Porky said:
Hell to the double no. We need players! Although I was unhappy with Sting, his story hasn't even come close to being written. I'm not giving up on 1.3 after a single season. That's nuts.

I'm ok with a 2nd this year and maybe as high as a 3rd next year, but that's even on the upper high side for me. I'd prefer like a 3 this year and a 5 next. I don't care about credibility, I care about wins. I should say I care about both, but not if the first comes at the expense of the second. There MAY be a slight overlap between them (such as attracting FA's) but in general...last time I looked players play. When Sean Payton can sack a QB, score a TD, or run between the tackles, we'll talk.
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So you think Stingley can stay healthy?

Payton drafts his QB at 1-2 and I would feel good about whoever Payton chose to be his QB.

1-2 QB
1-12 Hyatt
3-64 Best C available
3-75 Best TE available
Rd.5 Roschaun Johnson or Duece Vaughan

Go defense in FA

Hargrave/Davenport (Who was with SP with the Saints) and Al-Shaair would be guys I would like to add.

This team would look so much better with Payton as the HC.
 
amazing80 said:
I hear that and to some degree understand it but holy ****. You’re gonna let a guy you don’t trust with the job pick your future QB and have a say in the next coaching staff? That’s stupid. If you hire a really good candidate they too have been prepping for the upcoming draft. You just need to hire a Gm and make sure you pick a hc candidate that gels well with their vision.
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Casserly did it
 
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